Be careful - you can get shot/killed anywhere/anytime

[mollyanna58]

May 11, 2023 19:56:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 11, 2023 17:06:03 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Too many people do believe there is no solution, so they decide they need to be armed to buy groceries.  They also tend to believe they will be the good guy with a gun who quickly and efficiently take down the crazed shooter, when they are far more likely to shoot more innocent bystanders. 

they are also far more likely to get injured or killed.
to paraphrase scgal, look it up.
it's a fact.

incidentally, i don't care for the "crimes per gun" argument at all.  taking it to it's logical extreme, if you had infinite guns, you would have zero percent chance of being shot by any given gun.  and while that might make mathematical sense, in the real world, you only need ONE gun to shoot you.

what matters is gun incidents per capita.  and we are way up there in that stat.  last time i looked, only South Africa was competing with us, but Brazil might be up there too, now.  they are having a gun epidemic since their Trumpy guy took over.

True. 

Sadly, I am at the point of hoping that all the future mass shootings involve victims who loudly advocated for the rights of everyone to freely own and carry any kind of gun.

[scgal]

May 12, 2023 9:50:29 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

We have laws regarding who can and cannot drive.  You have to register your vehicle.  You have to purchase insurance.   Our cars have headlights, turn signals, break lights, air bags and seat belts.  All things that didn't exist in cars when they were invented.  They were put into cars because people recognized we're driving 2 ton death machines so it might not be a terrible idea to make them safer to operate.

Meanwhile an 18 year old can walk into a gun store, purchase a gun and blow people away at the local Target all in a couple hours.    Because gosh darn it this is 'Merica and it's his God given right to own a firearm the second he wants it!

He can't gamble, he can't drink but he can purchase a deadly weapon without hesitation.

People really can't see how messed up our priorites are in this country?

I agree with you. Background checks, some sort of mental check, license to carry. Not what I buy or carry. 

[djAdvocate]

those are modest reforms that would go a long way to helping, scgal.

[djAdvocate]

May 12, 2023 8:21:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 11, 2023 12:37:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you can't seriously believe that.  

but let's test this theory.  there were 35 people killed by gun violence in England in 2021.  there were 1000x that many killed in the US.  and sure, we have 5x as many people.  that is part of it.  but that still is 200x per capita what England had.  is America 200x as evil?  are you prepared to make that case?

there were 800 people killed by firearms in Italy in 2021.  is the US 45x as evil as Italy?

it is not the evil in the hearts of people that kills people IN THE US.  it is the availability of guns and our high propensity to use them to settle our differences. 

PERIOD.

That is it right there It doesn't matter how many there are it is the people. Let shake this up if the lefty morons got their way and restricted the guns in this country and screwed up killers decided to start using autos to ram in crowds, school yards causing 100k more deaths than what is now in reported by autos. Should or will we ban automobiles? I highly doubt it. Yet owning a car is not a right but a privilege It is the people not the method. 

As far as is our country more evil probably not in that sense. Maybe we have more mental illness in this country than others. Look at how many people are on some sort of drug to help them cope with the simple everyday tasks. I'm not putting anyone down and I'm glad people get the help they need but what about the ones who don't what about the ones who are really messed up and skip their meds? 

you just suggested a series of restrictions.  are you a lefty moron?  

i think we can do some sensible things in the US.  i think licensing would fix it completely.  and i would note that licensing would not be a second amendment infringement.  in fact, i think it comports with the second amendment perfectly.  it would regulate the militia and ensure that the people could bear arms.  the people, meaning our lawful citizenry. your more modest proposals would also help.

for the record, i don't think mental illness is any worse here.  that would be difficult to analyze, but i really don't think we are.  i think we are more isolated and afraid.  i think we are way too in love with violence here.  but other places like South Africa and Brazil have similar problems, for similar sociological reasons.  however, i think solving those problems is a GENERATIONAL thing.  if we want a quick solution, licensing is probably the way to go.

[scgal]

May 12, 2023 9:30:40 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

May 12, 2023 8:05:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

Why is it insane? Is it because in your small world you don't understand why people like them or use them? We made 22k in profit from selling 110k last year from selling collectible guns. We then purchased more firearms and accessories with that money. We competitive shoot, skeet shoot, we carry for personal protection buy and sell collectibles. We have an a decent amount of ammo approx 120,000 rounds hopefully would like to double that in the next 2 years. None of it is insane and my right to own firearms does come before the carnage that some lunatic causes with a firearm period. You cannot take away people's rights just because what some screwed up people done or is about to do. I don't care if there is a billion guns in the country not one of them is the reason why people are dead from them.

Yet women's rights are taken away all the time in this country. It's your God given right to own umpteen firearms, but the little girl who was molested by her creepy uncle just has to deal with it.

Care to elaborate? Maybe my head is in the sand but I cannot think of one right that was taken away from me in my 56 yrs. They have improved but not taken away. 

Now referring to abortion. I am against it. There should be some medically exceptions for it. It is not a right to be able to have an abortion. It is only your body your choice until a woman becomes pregnant then she becomes second to the baby.

Outside of capitol punishment do you know of any law that just lets you voluntarily kill someone just because you want to, I don't

[djAdvocate]

just so you should know, scgal- there is a restriction on abortion discussion on this board.  don't expect any responses to your position on that subject.

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Apr 19, 2023 12:16:33 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Apr 19, 2023 7:50:50 GMT -5 scgal said:

America is afraid thanks to democrats and liberals lack of strict border control, lack of supporting the police, not using martial law when riots break out, demonizing a white person if they kill a black person but not when a black person kills a white person. I can go on and on and on yes people are afraid has nothing to do with republicans. 

Your thought process make me sick. 'Pubs have created a monster that thinks guns are the answer to every fucking thing. You don't even have to pose a threat, and a 'pub will shoot you. AND THEY THINK IT'S OK because 'my righhhhhhhhhhhhhts' and "guns aren't the problem". Yes, guns *are* the fucking problem.

Yes, guns *are* the fucking problem.

Especially the 200 shot Assault Weapons......they should have been banned years ago. They are for Military use.....not for hunting Deer.

[andi9899]

May 12, 2023 12:26:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 12, 2023 9:30:40 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Yet women's rights are taken away all the time in this country. It's your God given right to own umpteen firearms, but the little girl who was molested by her creepy uncle just has to deal with it.

Care to elaborate? Maybe my head is in the sand but I cannot think of one right that was taken away from me in my 56 yrs. They have improved but not taken away. 

Now referring to abortion. I am against it. There should be some medically exceptions for it. It is not a right to be able to have an abortion. It is only your body your choice until a woman becomes pregnant then she becomes second to the baby.

Outside of capitol punishment do you know of any law that just lets you voluntarily kill someone just because you want to, I don't

I find it interesting that you think guns are a right but not bosy autonomy. The government should not be able to govern my body. That should be between me and my doctor. You were probably one of those people screaming "my body my choice" when covid vaccines came out too.

[weltschmerz]

That is it right there It doesn't matter how many there are it is the people. Let shake this up if the lefty morons got their way and restricted the guns in this country and screwed up killers decided to start using autos to ram in crowds, school yards causing 100k more deaths than what is now in reported by autos. Should or will we ban automobiles? I highly doubt it. Yet owning a car is not a right but a privilege It is the people not the method.

Funny, that.  Canada is a 'lefty moron' country which has restricted gun ownership,  but we don't have people causing 100k more deaths by auto. Or bombs . Or poison.....all the same old tired tropes by gun lovers. Gee, I wonder why that is? 
It's the fucking GUNS.

[weltschmerz]

America is afraid thanks to democrats and liberals lack of strict border control, lack of supporting the police, not using martial law when riots break out, demonizing a white person if they kill a black person but not when a black person kills a white person. I can go on and on and on yes people are afraid has nothing to do with republicans.

Nothing to do with Republicans? Are you trying to be funny?
Your racist roots are showing, just like most pro-Trump Republicans.

[mollyanna58]

There is no point in arguing with a hopelessly closed mind.

[moon/Laura]

May 12, 2023 8:23:53 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 9, 2023 16:12:55 GMT -5 plugginaway22 said:

LOL 76 firearms, so cool.

Yep you're darn right since not one of them was used to killed anyone in the years in my possession. Some may have since they were collectibles from the WW2 era.

whoop-de-fucking-do

you - and everyone like you - disgust me.

[Deleted]

When someone is depressed, whether it be due to physical or psychological trauma, their sense of reasoning and desicion making is temporarily blocked out or clouded leading to sometimes very poor judgement. If they are in a state of rage........and a gun happens to be available, all sorts of situations can happen including suicide or homocide. If a gun is NOT available, there is far less likelihood that a gun could be used for either of those fatal choices.
At the same time, I'm not against gun ownership.......however, I am against the availability and possession of 200 shot Assault Weapons. Outlawing them does Not infringe on The Constitution. 

[daisylu]

May 12, 2023 12:26:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 12, 2023 9:30:40 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Yet women's rights are taken away all the time in this country. It's your God given right to own umpteen firearms, but the little girl who was molested by her creepy uncle just has to deal with it.

Care to elaborate? Maybe my head is in the sand but I cannot think of one right that was taken away from me in my 56 yrs. They have improved but not taken away. 

Now referring to abortion. I am against it. There should be some medically exceptions for it. It is not a right to be able to have an abortion. It is only your body your choice until a woman becomes pregnant then she becomes second to the baby.

Outside of capitol punishment do you know of any law that just lets you voluntarily kill someone just because you want to, I don't

If I say what I want to I will be banned for sure. But a pregnant woman, who didn't get that way on her own, is secondary to cells? Even if it kills her and leaves her other children without a mother?
GTFOH

[moon/Laura]

May 12, 2023 14:56:07 GMT -5 @lynx said:

When someone is depressed, whether it be due to physical or psychological trauma, their sense of reasoning and desicion making is temporarily blocked out or clouded leading to sometimes very poor judgement. If they are in a state of rage........and a gun happens to be available, all sorts of situations can happen including suicide or homocide. If a gun is NOT available, there is far less likelihood that a gun could be used for either of those fatal choices.
At the same time, I'm not against gun ownership.......however, I am against the availability and possession of 200 shot Assault Weapons. Outlawing them does Not infringe on The Constitution. 

This is where I am as well, because there is no need for that type of weapon except for certain circumstances. And home defense/personal safety isn't one of them, as far as I'm concerned.

[tallguy]

May 12, 2023 14:56:07 GMT -5 @lynx said:

When someone is depressed, whether it be due to physical or psychological trauma, their sense of reasoning and desicion making is temporarily blocked out or clouded leading to sometimes very poor judgement. If they are in a state of rage........and a gun happens to be available, all sorts of situations can happen including suicide or homocide. If a gun is NOT available, there is far less likelihood that a gun could be used for either of those fatal choices.
At the same time, I'm not against gun ownership.......however, I am against the availability and possession of 200 shot Assault Weapons. Outlawing them does Not infringe on The Constitution. 

I rarely post about actual people, but....

One of my friends had gone through a very difficult time.  Lost his job along with a wife who had a gambling problem and had also lost hers, then lost his house.  Went through a divorce, and was under pressure at his new job because they were understaffed and overworked during COVID.  Things got better, and he had found a new girlfriend, reconnecting with someone from a long time ago.  They worked opposite schedules though, so in trying to make that work he was apparently not getting anywhere near enough sleep.  He was also a drinker, and owned a gun.  Anyone want to guess what happened?


Left behind a daughter and a lot of grieving friends. 


F*** EVERYBODY who thinks their easy access to guns is more important than someone's life.  Best contribution they could ever make to society is to take their gun, point it at their head, and fire.     

[djAdvocate]

May 12, 2023 13:43:14 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

America is afraid thanks to democrats and liberals lack of strict border control, lack of supporting the police, not using martial law when riots break out, demonizing a white person if they kill a black person but not when a black person kills a white person. I can go on and on and on yes people are afraid has nothing to do with republicans.

Nothing to do with Republicans? Are you trying to be funny?
Your racist roots are showing, just like most pro-Trump Republicans.

that one caught my eye.  most blacks are killed by blacks.  most whites are killed by whites.  the numbers are 80-90%.  it is RARE to hear about whites killing blacks or blacks killing whites, but it makes news EVERY TIME.  and the reason why is because of racial tensions in the US.  i think it makes every bit as much news, maybe more, when a black person kills a white person.

when a white COP kills a black man, there is something far worse about that.  if you don't understand WHY this is the case, i would suggest you figure it out.  hint: there is a LONG LONG LONG LONG history of it, ok?  that is WHY people get upset by it.  but you bet they get upset when it is the other way around, too.

i am not sure what you mean by "demonized".  do you mean that it is treated as RACIST?  well, that is right.  because whites have asserted their superiority and dominance over blacks but NEVER have blacks done so to whites, as far as i know.  so yeah, it makes sense that racism would come up when whites kill blacks, and not the other way around.

[Opti]

May 12, 2023 15:53:56 GMT -5 tallguy said:

May 12, 2023 14:56:07 GMT -5 @lynx said:

When someone is depressed, whether it be due to physical or psychological trauma, their sense of reasoning and desicion making is temporarily blocked out or clouded leading to sometimes very poor judgement. If they are in a state of rage........and a gun happens to be available, all sorts of situations can happen including suicide or homocide. If a gun is NOT available, there is far less likelihood that a gun could be used for either of those fatal choices.
At the same time, I'm not against gun ownership.......however, I am against the availability and possession of 200 shot Assault Weapons. Outlawing them does Not infringe on The Constitution. 

I rarely post about actual people, but....

One of my friends had gone through a very difficult time.  Lost his job along with a wife who had a gambling problem and had also lost hers, then lost his house.  Went through a divorce, and was under pressure at his new job because they were understaffed and overworked during COVID.  Things got better, and he had found a new girlfriend, reconnecting with someone from a long time ago.  They worked opposite schedules though, so in trying to make that work he was apparently not getting anywhere near enough sleep.  He was also a drinker, and owned a gun.  Anyone want to guess what happened?


Left behind a daughter and a lot of grieving friends. 


F*** EVERYBODY who thinks their easy access to guns is more important than someone's life.  Best contribution they could ever make to society is to take their gun, point it at their head, and fire.     

Yikes, sorry for your loss. Not sure what the stats currently are, but committing suicide with your gun is a far more likely scenario than defending yourself with your gun. 

[Opti]

May 12, 2023 12:26:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 12, 2023 9:30:40 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Yet women's rights are taken away all the time in this country. It's your God given right to own umpteen firearms, but the little girl who was molested by her creepy uncle just has to deal with it.

Care to elaborate? Maybe my head is in the sand but I cannot think of one right that was taken away from me in my 56 yrs. They have improved but not taken away. 

Now referring to abortion. I am against it. There should be some medically exceptions for it. It is not a right to be able to have an abortion. It is only your body your choice until a woman becomes pregnant then she becomes second to the baby.

Outside of capitol punishment do you know of any law that just lets you voluntarily kill someone just because you want to, I don't

The first is a belief, not a law. Its not even Biblical.
I disagree. I was OK with codifying no abortions in the third trimester except for medical exceptions.
More than that puts way too many women and families at risk. There are so many reasons medically for abortions including miscarriages which are just one class of abortion.

On the second,
Stand your ground law.
Pretty much any white person using a gun on someone nonwhite in a southern or red area which is racially divisive.
KKK lynchings and shootings in the past. They sometimes set fire to the home of black people and shot to death anyone
who had the guts to run out and save their life.

Remember how surprised some people were that those three men for jailed for shooting and causing the death of a black man out for a run? Simply because they Thought he had damaged a home being built. Thought.
But that contrasts with the man with the gun who got away with it, because he had a gun and killed the only person who could tell the other side of the story. Trayvon Martin was killed simply because some wannabe cop thought he was up to no good, so he killed him with his ever present gun.

Some gun owners live for the entitlement of being able to shoot people with their gun. For them, this is the crux of the second amendment. Not being a responsible citizen and standing up to tyranny. No its, the right to kill people with a gun cuz they actually think that is what the second amendment is about. It so isn't.

[scgal]

May 12, 2023 15:17:34 GMT -5 daisylu said:

May 12, 2023 12:26:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

Care to elaborate? Maybe my head is in the sand but I cannot think of one right that was taken away from me in my 56 yrs. They have improved but not taken away. 

Now referring to abortion. I am against it. There should be some medically exceptions for it. It is not a right to be able to have an abortion. It is only your body your choice until a woman becomes pregnant then she becomes second to the baby.

Outside of capitol punishment do you know of any law that just lets you voluntarily kill someone just because you want to, I don't

If I say what I want to I will be banned for sure. But a pregnant woman, who didn't get that way on her own, is secondary to cells? Even if it kills her and leaves her other children without a mother?
GTFOH

Why would the pregnancy kill her I said if medically necessairly. It should not be voluntairily. 

[scgal]

May 12, 2023 14:52:37 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

May 12, 2023 8:23:53 GMT -5 scgal said:

Yep you're darn right since not one of them was used to killed anyone in the years in my possession. Some may have since they were collectibles from the WW2 era.

whoop-de-fucking-do

you - and everyone like you - disgust me.

awww you bring a tear to my eyeball

[scgal]

May 12, 2023 13:35:30 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

May 12, 2023 12:26:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

Care to elaborate? Maybe my head is in the sand but I cannot think of one right that was taken away from me in my 56 yrs. They have improved but not taken away. 

Now referring to abortion. I am against it. There should be some medically exceptions for it. It is not a right to be able to have an abortion. It is only your body your choice until a woman becomes pregnant then she becomes second to the baby.

Outside of capitol punishment do you know of any law that just lets you voluntarily kill someone just because you want to, I don't

I find it interesting that you think guns are a right but not bosy autonomy. The government should not be able to govern my body. That should be between me and my doctor. You were probably one of those people screaming "my body my choice" when covid vaccines came out too.

It is not just your body tho. Once conceived there is another life in you. The pro abortionist stands behind the myth of its just cells to make themselves feel better about throwing away a baby they know just who and what they are. Covid is different not only is it your body but you have the choice to protect yourself from others not just others stopping the spread. I complied but in my house I didn't force anyone from the outside to wear a mask it was their choice.

[scgal]

May 12, 2023 13:45:55 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

There is no point in arguing with a hopelessly closed mind.

I feel the same way. The issue I see here some people on here just cannot have a disagreement and debate different points but then they get snarky, mean etc. That is closed mindedness.

[pulmonarymd]

You still refuse to acknowledge one simple fact. No guns, no gun deaths. It is as simple as that. All of the other nonsense you post ignores this simple fact.

[daisylu]

May 13, 2023 8:05:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 12, 2023 15:17:34 GMT -5 daisylu said:

If I say what I want to I will be banned for sure. But a pregnant woman, who didn't get that way on her own, is secondary to cells? Even if it kills her and leaves her other children without a mother?
GTFOH

Why would the pregnancy kill her I said if medically necessairly. It should not be voluntairily. 

Almost all of the states who adopted new laws have no exceptions for "medically necessary" - they are sending women to the parking lot until they are about dead.

It SHOULD be a right to make my own medical decisions with my doctor. You are ok with owning guns being a right, but not with women making their own choices on reproduction?

And why are "rights" still determined by a document hundreds of years old? Repubs act like is the be all end all, things change. At the time the Constitution was written slavery was acceptable and women were second class citizens. Yes amendments were added, but when was the last added?
The world changes, the US needs to step up.

[moon/Laura]

May 13, 2023 8:14:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 12, 2023 13:35:30 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I find it interesting that you think guns are a right but not bosy autonomy. The government should not be able to govern my body. That should be between me and my doctor. You were probably one of those people screaming "my body my choice" when covid vaccines came out too.

It is not just your body tho. Once conceived there is another life in you. The pro abortionist stands behind the myth of its just cells to make themselves feel better about throwing away a baby they know just who and what they are. Covid is different not only is it your body but you have the choice to protect yourself from others not just others stopping the spread. I complied but in my house I didn't force anyone from the outside to wear a mask it was their choice.

It's not a life until it can survive outside of the womb

There's no such thing as a Pro-abortionist. But 'pubs are always trying to spin pro CHOICE that way.

[scgal]

May 13, 2023 8:36:53 GMT -5 daisylu said:

May 13, 2023 8:05:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

Why would the pregnancy kill her I said if medically necessairly. It should not be voluntairily. 

Almost all of the states who adopted new laws have no exceptions for "medically necessary" - they are sending women to the parking lot until they are about dead.

It SHOULD be a right to make my own medical decisions with my doctor. You are ok with owning guns being a right, but not with women making their own choices on reproduction?

And why are "rights" still determined by a document hundreds of years old? Repubs act like is the be all end all, things change. At the time the Constitution was written slavery was acceptable and women were second class citizens. Yes amendments were added, but when was the last added?
The world changes, the US needs to step up.

Amendment would be the way to go. Plenty of times the dems could have done this so it is just not the republicans. Both sides hate to budge an inch. Look at the issue with the debt ceiling bunch of asses chest pounding. No clear direction to make sound decisions to move this country forward. 

This country is spiraling down the toilet. Gun control, and abortion are not at the top of the list. 

[daisylu]

May 13, 2023 8:14:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 12, 2023 13:35:30 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I find it interesting that you think guns are a right but not bosy autonomy. The government should not be able to govern my body. That should be between me and my doctor. You were probably one of those people screaming "my body my choice" when covid vaccines came out too.

It is not just your body tho. Once conceived there is another life in you. The pro abortionist stands behind the myth of its just cells to make themselves feel better about throwing away a baby they know just who and what they are. Covid is different not only is it your body but you have the choice to protect yourself from others not just others stopping the spread. I complied but in my house I didn't force anyone from the outside to wear a mask it was their choice.

This is disgusting coming from a female. So a woman's body can never truly be her own? I don't see anyone making laws against men's bodies. Sperm is life, but nobody is making laws against men masturbating.

[daisylu]

May 13, 2023 8:59:41 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 13, 2023 8:36:53 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Almost all of the states who adopted new laws have no exceptions for "medically necessary" - they are sending women to the parking lot until they are about dead.

It SHOULD be a right to make my own medical decisions with my doctor. You are ok with owning guns being a right, but not with women making their own choices on reproduction?

And why are "rights" still determined by a document hundreds of years old? Repubs act like is the be all end all, things change. At the time the Constitution was written slavery was acceptable and women were second class citizens. Yes amendments were added, but when was the last added?
The world changes, the US needs to step up.

Amendment would be the way to go. Plenty of times the dems could have done this so it is just not the republicans. Both sides hate to budge an inch. Look at the issue with the debt ceiling bunch of asses chest pounding. No clear direction to make sound decisions to move this country forward. 

This country is spiraling down the toilet. Gun control, and abortion are not at the top of the list. 

Gun control SHOULD be at the top of the list.

[scgal]

May 13, 2023 8:52:21 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

May 13, 2023 8:14:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

It is not just your body tho. Once conceived there is another life in you. The pro abortionist stands behind the myth of its just cells to make themselves feel better about throwing away a baby they know just who and what they are. Covid is different not only is it your body but you have the choice to protect yourself from others not just others stopping the spread. I complied but in my house I didn't force anyone from the outside to wear a mask it was their choice.

 Viability outside of the mother is irrelevent. It still lives. It's not a life until it can survive outside of the womb

There's no such thing as a Pro-abortionist. But 'pubs are always trying to spin pro CHOICE that way.

Viability outside the mother is irrevelent. If it has a heartbeat then it is alive period. Unless the mother life is in danger then the only course of action is to continue with the pregnancy.

Your right I probably should use pro choice I will start when people stop saying pro-life for anti-abortion.