Be careful - you can get shot/killed anywhere/anytime

[Opti]

May 9, 2023 10:29:18 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 9, 2023 7:56:49 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Now we have far right whackadoodles like MTG and Ann Coulter picking up on the fact and using that to claim that the mall shooter couldn’t possibly have been a white supremist because he’s Hispanic, and only stupid white people would believe that he was.

Trying so hard to avoid linking this tragedy to the far right nut jobs they’re willing to overlook hundreds of social media rants about black people.

Marjorie Taylor Greene Slams 'Dumb White People' Over Texas Shooting Motive

The ignorance is strong in people like MTG and others who believe Hispanic is a race. It is not a race, it is an ethnicity.  There are Hispanics of all races.

And they can be white, black as race and probably Asian too for all I know.

[Opti]

May 9, 2023 10:45:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 9, 2023 9:57:20 GMT -5 swamp said:

You way way way underestimated the number of guns 


How Many Guns Are in the United States?



The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) reported in a national survey that in 1994, 44 million people, approximately 35% of households, owned 192 million firearms, 65 million of which were handguns(25). Seventy-four percent of those individuals were reported to own more than one firearm(26).



According to the ATF,* by the end of 1996 approximately 242 million firearms were available for sale to or were possessed by civilians in the United States(27). That total includes roughly 72 million handguns (mostly pistols, revolvers, and derringers), 76 million rifles, and 64 million shotguns(28). By 2000, the number of firearms had increased to approximately 259 million: 92 million handguns, 92 million rifles, and 75 million shotguns(29). By 2007, the number of firearms had increased to approximately 294 million: 106 million handguns, 105 million rifles, and 83 million shotguns(30)….



By … 2009, the estimated total number of firearms available to civilians in the United States had increased to approximately 310 million: 114 million handguns, 110 million rifles, and 86 million shotguns(36). Per capita, the civilian gun stock has roughly doubled since 1968, from one gun per every two persons to one gun per person…


www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/6676

I ment to say there are 70 million more guns than people there are almost 400 million guns in this country

Guns don't buy guns; people buy guns. Notice how much the curve of gun ownership has gone up because fear works to sell guns on Faux news and other outlets.

So maybe in 2000, maybe the average gun owner had 3 guns for example and now they have 5. The risk increases with the number of guns. the number of mass shootings are escalating in this country. Killing more kids, spouses, people just in the wrong place when the shooter decides to mass shoot, etc.

[happyhoix]

May 9, 2023 10:45:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 9, 2023 9:57:20 GMT -5 swamp said:

You way way way underestimated the number of guns 


How Many Guns Are in the United States?



The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) reported in a national survey that in 1994, 44 million people, approximately 35% of households, owned 192 million firearms, 65 million of which were handguns(25). Seventy-four percent of those individuals were reported to own more than one firearm(26).



According to the ATF,* by the end of 1996 approximately 242 million firearms were available for sale to or were possessed by civilians in the United States(27). That total includes roughly 72 million handguns (mostly pistols, revolvers, and derringers), 76 million rifles, and 64 million shotguns(28). By 2000, the number of firearms had increased to approximately 259 million: 92 million handguns, 92 million rifles, and 75 million shotguns(29). By 2007, the number of firearms had increased to approximately 294 million: 106 million handguns, 105 million rifles, and 83 million shotguns(30)….



By … 2009, the estimated total number of firearms available to civilians in the United States had increased to approximately 310 million: 114 million handguns, 110 million rifles, and 86 million shotguns(36). Per capita, the civilian gun stock has roughly doubled since 1968, from one gun per every two persons to one gun per person…


www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/6676

I ment to say there are 70 million more guns than people there are almost 400 million guns in this country

Please explain to me how it would infringe on your right to bear arms if we had red flag laws - so that if the military decides you are too mentally unstable to have a weapon they could also flag you in the government data base so you can’t buy guns until you’re been treated and released by a psychologist?

It’s just like how you cant drive a car if you’ve had several DUIs - because you’re dangerous to innocent Americans when behind the wheel?

For once I would love a gun advocate to give me a straight answer on that.

[scgal]

May 9, 2023 13:20:45 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

May 9, 2023 10:45:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

I ment to say there are 70 million more guns than people there are almost 400 million guns in this country

Please explain to me how it would infringe on your right to bear arms if we had red flag laws - so that if the military decides you are too mentally unstable to have a weapon they could also flag you in the government data base so you can’t buy guns until you’re been treated and released by a psychologist?

It’s just like how you cant drive a car if you’ve had several DUIs - because you’re dangerous to innocent Americans when behind the wheel?

For once I would love a gun advocate to give me a straight answer on that.

I'm good with that. I doubt it would have stopped any of the school shootings but I have always said a good comprehensive background check should be done.

[scgal]

May 9, 2023 12:08:26 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 9, 2023 10:45:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

I ment to say there are 70 million more guns than people there are almost 400 million guns in this country

Guns don't buy guns; people buy guns. Notice how much the curve of gun ownership has gone up because fear works to sell guns on Faux news and other outlets.

So maybe in 2000, maybe the average gun owner had 3 guns for example and now they have 5. The risk increases with the number of guns. the number of mass shootings are escalating in this country. Killing more kids, spouses, people just in the wrong place when the shooter decides to mass shoot, etc.

I don't dispute that. The most we ever owned at one time was 52 we are now at 36. My oldest said she has 14 and my youngest and her hubby have 26. So right there 3 families have 76 firearms.

[movingforward]

May 9, 2023 13:32:27 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 9, 2023 13:20:45 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Please explain to me how it would infringe on your right to bear arms if we had red flag laws - so that if the military decides you are too mentally unstable to have a weapon they could also flag you in the government data base so you can’t buy guns until you’re been treated and released by a psychologist?

It’s just like how you cant drive a car if you’ve had several DUIs - because you’re dangerous to innocent Americans when behind the wheel?

For once I would love a gun advocate to give me a straight answer on that.

I'm good with that. I doubt it would have stopped any of the school shootings but I have always said a good comprehensive background check should be done.

I am little tired of hearing about how establishing reasonable gun laws is not going to help anything. Extensive background checks, raising the purchase age, making certain automatics illegal (I'm not a gun person so can't remember the names of ones that create mass destruction in a short amount of time), etc. are things we can do. There is only one way to find out if something is going to work and that is by actually trying it. Doing nothing is obviously not working. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Putting a wait period on getting a gun would help a lot because an 18 year old hot head can't march in, buy a gun, and walk off to shoot people.  It would give people time for impulse control.

Would it stop EVERYONE?   No but we can't keep waiting for a perfect solution.   Stopping some mass shootings is better than doing nothing all. I am sick of the mental gymnastics required to believe that doing nothing is better than something.  I do not understand the logic of innocent men, women and children dying being a price we're willing to pay so we can get as many guns into our hot little hands as fast as we can.

When a toddler keeps whacking me in the face with a toy I don't sit there and let them continue to do it.  I take the fucking toy away.  

When you have a world record number of shootings you stop offering prayers.  You make it harder to get the damn guns to begin with.

No you can't prevent all violence but study after freaking study shows that countries that do not allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to arm themselves to the teeth have significantly less not only mass shootings but murders, suicides and accidental gun deaths as well.  I am tired of the idea that this 'Merica! and we are so God damn special that anything other countries have done won't possibly work here and it's my fucking right to arm myself like I'm going into the apocalypse screw the well being of others.

[plugginaway22]

LOL 76 firearms, so cool.

[djAdvocate]

May 9, 2023 7:50:59 GMT -5 Opti said:

It probably wouldn't have much outcome for change. How many women saw those signs and pictures of abortions yet still are pro abortion?

The question is more whose mind would it change? There have been girls and women who folded from the pressure of anti-abortion groups marching around women's health clinics. 

It affected some people. So this will affect some people as well. How many? TBD.

i don't know anyone who is pro-abortion.
but i get your point.

how many people are still pro-war after watching Rambo?
same kind of question.

[Tennesseer]

[moon/Laura]

May 9, 2023 9:53:29 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 9, 2023 9:49:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Until people stop doing evil things there won't be a solution. You are right our rights to own and bear arms do outweigh the fear of getting shot. There are approx 70 millions guns in this country than there are people so statistically the amount of gun violence is acutally pretty low compared to gun ownership check the data on that. 

It is unlikely people will stop doing evil things. Nevertheless, we have transitioned from black powder muskets to whatever the army and armed forces in the US use today.

Cars have been made safer because much of society likes protecting children and people in general should they be in an accident.
The tide is turning, people are not happy about finding bodies of their loved ones with big holes in them. No face, no torso or barely there for school age shooting victims. The tide is turning. 

And the answer to both of these is the same - STOP MAKING IT EASY FOR THEM! Fuck your 2nd amendment rights. There is ZERO reason for John Q. Citizen to have military style weapons (competitive shooting aside, perhaps).

*edit to add that this isn't aimed at Opti. Only using her statement to make a point.

[moon/Laura]

May 9, 2023 13:35:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 9, 2023 12:08:26 GMT -5 Opti said:

Guns don't buy guns; people buy guns. Notice how much the curve of gun ownership has gone up because fear works to sell guns on Faux news and other outlets.

So maybe in 2000, maybe the average gun owner had 3 guns for example and now they have 5. The risk increases with the number of guns. the number of mass shootings are escalating in this country. Killing more kids, spouses, people just in the wrong place when the shooter decides to mass shoot, etc.

I don't dispute that. The most we ever owned at one time was 52 we are now at 36. My oldest said she has 14 and my youngest and her hubby have 26. So right there 3 families have 76 firearms.

This is absolutely fucking insane.

[Opti]

May 10, 2023 20:01:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Timely still. Looks like this cartoon was copyrighted in 2010. Great job by the cartoonist.

[djAdvocate]

May 9, 2023 9:49:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 9, 2023 8:02:31 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

How do you propose we keep guns out of the hands of people who do these acts? Do you have one? Do Republicans? You keep harping on the same stupid talking points, and people continue to die. Do we just accept that this is the way things are now? We cannot do anything to change this? 

You have no answer for these questions because your "right" and desire to own these weapons outweighs our right to leave without the fear of being shot at school or going to the mall. And before we say we need more people armed, answer 1 question. We have more guns than anywhere else in the world, yet we are the only place where this happens. More guns do not make us safer. it has been shown over and over again, but you refuse to believe the data.

Until people stop doing evil things there won't be a solution. You are right our rights to own and bear arms do outweigh the fear of getting shot. There are approx 70 millions guns in this country than there are people so statistically the amount of gun violence is acutally pretty low compared to gun ownership check the data on that. 

you can't seriously believe that.  

but let's test this theory.  there were 35 people killed by gun violence in England in 2021.  there were 1000x that many killed in the US.  and sure, we have 5x as many people.  that is part of it.  but that still is 200x per capita what England had.  is America 200x as evil?  are you prepared to make that case?

there were 800 people killed by firearms in Italy in 2021.  is the US 45x as evil as Italy?

it is not the evil in the hearts of people that kills people IN THE US.  it is the availability of guns and our high propensity to use them to settle our differences. 

PERIOD.

[djAdvocate]

PS- i get that you are groping for an answer to the big question, scgal.  but you should not look to YOURSELF for answers.  

let's say that 1% of US society has impulse control problems.  let's say that 90% of them have access to guns.  that is 3 MILLION people, scgal.  3 MILLION people that are not you.  3 MILLION people that would probably pass a mental health screening.  

let's say all 3M lost their jobs and had their wives leave them today.  what do you think would be in the news by midnight tonight?

i mean, really.  we need to do better than this.  seriously.

[mollyanna58]

Too many people do believe there is no solution, so they decide they need to be armed to buy groceries.  They also tend to believe they will be the good guy with a gun who quickly and efficiently take down the crazed shooter, when they are far more likely to shoot more innocent bystanders. 

[djAdvocate]

May 11, 2023 17:06:03 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Too many people do believe there is no solution, so they decide they need to be armed to buy groceries.  They also tend to believe they will be the good guy with a gun who quickly and efficiently take down the crazed shooter, when they are far more likely to shoot more innocent bystanders. 

they are also far more likely to get injured or killed.
to paraphrase scgal, look it up.
it's a fact.

incidentally, i don't care for the "crimes per gun" argument at all.  taking it to it's logical extreme, if you had infinite guns, you would have zero percent chance of being shot by any given gun.  and while that might make mathematical sense, in the real world, you only need ONE gun to shoot you.

what matters is gun incidents per capita.  and we are way up there in that stat.  last time i looked, only South Africa was competing with us, but Brazil might be up there too, now.  they are having a gun epidemic since their Trumpy guy took over.

[Tennesseer]

[djAdvocate]

IF, Tenn.


IF

[scgal]

May 11, 2023 10:40:24 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

May 9, 2023 13:35:16 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't dispute that. The most we ever owned at one time was 52 we are now at 36. My oldest said she has 14 and my youngest and her hubby have 26. So right there 3 families have 76 firearms.

This is absolutely fucking insane.

Why is it insane? Is it because in your small world you don't understand why people like them or use them? We made 22k in profit from selling 110k last year from selling collectible guns. We then purchased more firearms and accessories with that money. We competitive shoot, skeet shoot, we carry for personal protection buy and sell collectibles. We have an a decent amount of ammo approx 120,000 rounds hopefully would like to double that in the next 2 years. None of it is insane and my right to own firearms does come before the carnage that some lunatic causes with a firearm period. You cannot take away people's rights just because what some screwed up people done or is about to do. I don't care if there is a billion guns in the country not one of them is the reason why people are dead from them.

[scgal]

May 11, 2023 12:37:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 9, 2023 9:49:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Until people stop doing evil things there won't be a solution. You are right our rights to own and bear arms do outweigh the fear of getting shot. There are approx 70 millions guns in this country than there are people so statistically the amount of gun violence is acutally pretty low compared to gun ownership check the data on that. 

you can't seriously believe that.  

but let's test this theory.  there were 35 people killed by gun violence in England in 2021.  there were 1000x that many killed in the US.  and sure, we have 5x as many people.  that is part of it.  but that still is 200x per capita what England had.  is America 200x as evil?  are you prepared to make that case?

there were 800 people killed by firearms in Italy in 2021.  is the US 45x as evil as Italy?

it is not the evil in the hearts of people that kills people IN THE US.  it is the availability of guns and our high propensity to use them to settle our differences. 

PERIOD.

That is it right there It doesn't matter how many there are it is the people. Let shake this up if the lefty morons got their way and restricted the guns in this country and screwed up killers decided to start using autos to ram in crowds, school yards causing 100k more deaths than what is now in reported by autos. Should or will we ban automobiles? I highly doubt it. Yet owning a car is not a right but a privilege It is the people not the method. 

As far as is our country more evil probably not in that sense. Maybe we have more mental illness in this country than others. Look at how many people are on some sort of drug to help them cope with the simple everyday tasks. I'm not putting anyone down and I'm glad people get the help they need but what about the ones who don't what about the ones who are really messed up and skip their meds? 

[Opti]

May 12, 2023 8:05:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 11, 2023 10:40:24 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

This is absolutely fucking insane.

Why is it insane? Is it because in your small world you don't understand why people like them or use them? We made 22k in profit from selling 110k last year from selling collectible guns. We then purchased more firearms and accessories with that money. We competitive shoot, skeet shoot, we carry for personal protection buy and sell collectibles. We have an a decent amount of ammo approx 120,000 rounds hopefully would like to double that in the next 2 years. None of it is insane and my right to own firearms does come before the carnage that some lunatic causes with a firearm period. You cannot take away people's rights just because what some screwed up people done or is about to do. I don't care if there is a billion guns in the country not one of them is the reason why people are dead from them.

On the bolded, you know you are wrong about that. I understand why you are defensive but maybe you can be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

Sure no one enjoys more regulation, but it can guarantee certain things. With cars and trucks having the vehicle inspected regularly gives states assurances that emission standards are met and sometimes other road worth criteria. Driver's are licensed and pass tests for the safety of all on the roads.

To non-collectors and those who don't participate in shooting sports, this sounds like way too many guns. I have no idea what amount of guns is normal or usual in your situation. Its OK to make money off collections, but I hope you understand why police departments and others might want to track your gun ownership as much as police are leary of people owning a huge collection of martial arts weapons. They are in more danger visiting you than they are visiting the elderly gunless couple in your neighborhood. I do not forsee the US ever being a gunless society. But I think we could become a better regulated society that permits gun ownership with well crafted reasoning. You could be an agent of change in your sphere by determining what good gun stewards do who competively shoot and signs of bad or careless gun stewards. That can be channeled to your representatives and give you input on what laws should exist or might be passed. Far better than thinking Oh noooz my guns they are coming to take them away.

There was a longtime poster that was proud he had 3 guns in his office one day. Thought it made him safer. With the right amount of people and the element of surprise, at least 2 to 3 of those guns could be used to kill him or hold him hostage.

[scgal]

May 9, 2023 16:12:55 GMT -5 plugginaway22 said:

LOL 76 firearms, so cool.

Yep you're darn right since not one of them was used to killed anyone in the years in my possession. Some may have since they were collectibles from the WW2 era.

[Opti]

May 12, 2023 8:21:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 11, 2023 12:37:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you can't seriously believe that.  

but let's test this theory.  there were 35 people killed by gun violence in England in 2021.  there were 1000x that many killed in the US.  and sure, we have 5x as many people.  that is part of it.  but that still is 200x per capita what England had.  is America 200x as evil?  are you prepared to make that case?

there were 800 people killed by firearms in Italy in 2021.  is the US 45x as evil as Italy?

it is not the evil in the hearts of people that kills people IN THE US.  it is the availability of guns and our high propensity to use them to settle our differences. 

PERIOD.

That is it right there It doesn't matter how many there are it is the people. Let shake this up if the lefty morons got their way and restricted the guns in this country and screwed up killers decided to start using autos to ram in crowds, school yards causing 100k more deaths than what is now in reported by autos. Should or will we ban automobiles? I highly doubt it. Yet owning a car is not a right but a privilege It is the people not the method. 

As far as is our country more evil probably not in that sense. Maybe we have more mental illness in this country than others. Look at how many people are on some sort of drug to help them cope with the simple everyday tasks. I'm not putting anyone down and I'm glad people get the help they need but what about the ones who don't what about the ones who are really messed up and skip their meds? 

Boy, you are really shook up about this perceived injustice against gun owners.

Everyday, people get killed in cars and trucks. Really often spouses and BF/GF and similar use vehicles to kill, scare, abduct people. Death be vehicle though is actually more limited than death by gun, choking or even poison. Its hard to storm a theatre in a vehicle and kill people. Its hard to be momentarily angry at a store or in a theatre and take out your pocket vehicle and kill someone.

Small guns are very portable and some people take them everywhere. That means they can, will and do kill people everywhere simply because they are angry now. And while knives are portable you'd have to be pretty amazing to do as much damage as a gun can and be as deadly. People have survived multiple stab wounds. With the Ar15, it appears you just have to shoot a kid somewhere near center mass and they are blown to bits. Not at all in the same league. Crying about gun rights is not going to change that. 

[scgal]

May 12, 2023 8:23:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 12, 2023 8:05:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

Why is it insane? Is it because in your small world you don't understand why people like them or use them? We made 22k in profit from selling 110k last year from selling collectible guns. We then purchased more firearms and accessories with that money. We competitive shoot, skeet shoot, we carry for personal protection buy and sell collectibles. We have an a decent amount of ammo approx 120,000 rounds hopefully would like to double that in the next 2 years. None of it is insane and my right to own firearms does come before the carnage that some lunatic causes with a firearm period. You cannot take away people's rights just because what some screwed up people done or is about to do. I don't care if there is a billion guns in the country not one of them is the reason why people are dead from them.

On the bolded, you know you are wrong about that. I understand why you are defensive but maybe you can be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

Sure no one enjoys more regulation, but it can guarantee certain things. With cars and trucks having the vehicle inspected regularly gives states assurances that emission standards are met and sometimes other road worth criteria. Driver's are licensed and pass tests for the safety of all on the roads.

To non-collectors and those who don't participate in shooting sports, this sounds like way too many guns. I have no idea what amount of guns is normal or usual in your situation. Its OK to make money off collections, but I hope you understand why police departments and others might want to track your gun ownership as much as police are leary of people owning a huge collection of martial arts weapons. They are in more danger visiting you than they are visiting the elderly gunless couple in your neighborhood. I do not forsee the US ever being a gunless society. But I think we could become a better regulated society that permits gun ownership with well crafted reasoning. You could be an agent of change in your sphere by determining what good gun stewards do who competively shoot and signs of bad or careless gun stewards. That can be channeled to your representatives and give you input on what laws should exist or might be passed. Far better than thinking Oh noooz my guns they are coming to take them away.

There was a longtime poster that was proud he had 3 guns in his office one day. Thought it made him safer. With the right amount of people and the element of surprise, at least 2 to 3 of those guns could be used to kill him or hold him hostage.

I'm for good background checks. I had to take an exam before getting my concealed permit which In my opinion took too long- 90 days. I'm not in favor of restricting which firearm I can own. 

As far as the man with the guns in his office. I carry daily with the right person or persons it could be taken away from me to kill me, but at that point i'm already in danger and I would rather have my gun or guns sometime I carry 2. 

[Opti]

May 12, 2023 8:38:18 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 12, 2023 8:23:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

On the bolded, you know you are wrong about that. I understand why you are defensive but maybe you can be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

Sure no one enjoys more regulation, but it can guarantee certain things. With cars and trucks having the vehicle inspected regularly gives states assurances that emission standards are met and sometimes other road worth criteria. Driver's are licensed and pass tests for the safety of all on the roads.

To non-collectors and those who don't participate in shooting sports, this sounds like way too many guns. I have no idea what amount of guns is normal or usual in your situation. Its OK to make money off collections, but I hope you understand why police departments and others might want to track your gun ownership as much as police are leary of people owning a huge collection of martial arts weapons. They are in more danger visiting you than they are visiting the elderly gunless couple in your neighborhood. I do not forsee the US ever being a gunless society. But I think we could become a better regulated society that permits gun ownership with well crafted reasoning. You could be an agent of change in your sphere by determining what good gun stewards do who competively shoot and signs of bad or careless gun stewards. That can be channeled to your representatives and give you input on what laws should exist or might be passed. Far better than thinking Oh noooz my guns they are coming to take them away.

There was a longtime poster that was proud he had 3 guns in his office one day. Thought it made him safer. With the right amount of people and the element of surprise, at least 2 to 3 of those guns could be used to kill him or hold him hostage.

I'm for good background checks. I had to take an exam before getting my concealed permit which In my opinion took too long- 90 days. I'm not in favor of restricting which firearm I can own. 

As far as the man with the guns in his office. I carry daily with the right person or persons it could be taken away from me to kill me, but at that point i'm already in danger and I would rather have my gun or guns sometime I carry 2. 

I know you would prefer carrying and I am not surprised. Years ago I read a book about guns and self defense. Not sure if it is still true, but generally people who are shot don't die instantly. In the book they gave the scenario of how far away you needed to be to possibly be safe from a person you shot if you didn't want to be choked to death by them on their way to dying. 

There was also this great TV series, where one of the heros generally did not carry guns, but was a master of using them and anticipating how others would use them against him. Lots of scenes of him overcoming the people who had the firepower at the beginning of the scene and them being dead, injured or tied up by scenes end. 

Various states register and charge you money based on the type and size of vehicle you purchase. I think it would be smart to do that with guns, especially those that are used in mass shootings like te AR15 and similar. 

[scgal]

May 12, 2023 8:35:22 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 12, 2023 8:21:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

That is it right there It doesn't matter how many there are it is the people. Let shake this up if the lefty morons got their way and restricted the guns in this country and screwed up killers decided to start using autos to ram in crowds, school yards causing 100k more deaths than what is now in reported by autos. Should or will we ban automobiles? I highly doubt it. Yet owning a car is not a right but a privilege It is the people not the method. 

As far as is our country more evil probably not in that sense. Maybe we have more mental illness in this country than others. Look at how many people are on some sort of drug to help them cope with the simple everyday tasks. I'm not putting anyone down and I'm glad people get the help they need but what about the ones who don't what about the ones who are really messed up and skip their meds? 

Boy, you are really shook up about this perceived injustice against gun owners.

Everyday, people get killed in cars and trucks. Really often spouses and BF/GF and similar use vehicles to kill, scare, abduct people. Death be vehicle though is actually more limited than death by gun, choking or even poison. Its hard to storm a theatre in a vehicle and kill people. Its hard to be momentarily angry at a store or in a theatre and take out your pocket vehicle and kill someone.

Small guns are very portable and some people take them everywhere. That means they can, will and do kill people everywhere simply because they are angry now. And while knives are portable you'd have to be pretty amazing to do as much damage as a gun can and be as deadly. People have survived multiple stab wounds. With the Ar15, it appears you just have to shoot a kid somewhere near center mass and they are blown to bits. Not at all in the same league. Crying about gun rights is not going to change that. 

I appreciate your well written responses with no attacks. The bolded is a misconception of a lot of people have. The AR15 is just a model it will fire a bullet and cause the same damage as a hunting rifle round for round. It is just the appearance that make it look more dangerous, and the action of the loading mechanism to fire multiple rounds with just pulling the trigger (semi-auto) that may give the user more effective of an outcome. 

[Opti]

hunting rifles should not be used to hunt kids either.

[andi9899]

May 12, 2023 8:05:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 11, 2023 10:40:24 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

This is absolutely fucking insane.

Why is it insane? Is it because in your small world you don't understand why people like them or use them? We made 22k in profit from selling 110k last year from selling collectible guns. We then purchased more firearms and accessories with that money. We competitive shoot, skeet shoot, we carry for personal protection buy and sell collectibles. We have an a decent amount of ammo approx 120,000 rounds hopefully would like to double that in the next 2 years. None of it is insane and my right to own firearms does come before the carnage that some lunatic causes with a firearm period. You cannot take away people's rights just because what some screwed up people done or is about to do. I don't care if there is a billion guns in the country not one of them is the reason why people are dead from them.

Yet women's rights are taken away all the time in this country. It's your God given right to own umpteen firearms, but the little girl who was molested by her creepy uncle just has to deal with it.

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We have laws regarding who can and cannot drive.  You have to register your vehicle.  You have to purchase insurance.   Our cars have headlights, turn signals, break lights, air bags and seat belts.  All things that didn't exist in cars when they were invented.  They were put into cars because people recognized we're driving 2 ton death machines so it might not be a terrible idea to make them safer to operate.

Meanwhile an 18 year old can walk into a gun store, purchase a gun and blow people away at the local Target all in a couple hours.    Because gosh darn it this is 'Merica and it's his God given right to own a firearm the second he wants it!

He can't gamble, he can't drink but he can purchase a deadly weapon without hesitation.

People really can't see how messed up our priorites are in this country?