The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[hurley1980]

Jul 22, 2024 14:20:15 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jul 22, 2024 14:02:10 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I am very nervous about this.  Not just because Harris is a woman, or a woman of color.  She is a woman of color from California, and notriously hated state!  I live here, and I know how much the midwest and southern states dislike us, thinking we are a bunch of elitist liberals who love immigrants (our economy kind of depends on them). We have not had a president from California since Reagan (and he wasn't actually born here), and that was nearly 50 years ago. 

I will vote for her, and pray that she wins, but after what happened to Hilary I am not sure she can beat Trump.  

I think a lot will depend on the choice for VP. She can't go with Newsom (though I read that that would be troublesome under the 12th amendment anyway) or Butigieg (no way a female POC and an openly gay man would win). Even Gretchen Wittmer (twowomen? there are not enough pearls in the world to clutch) won't work. She needs to go with a male, preferalby causcasian, from a swing state to stand a chance

All of this is true!  And I can't think of anyone at the moment to be put on the ticket as VP. Even Booker would be a bad choice because hes also black (that would make heads explode). Someone in this post mentioned Romney, and that actually doesn't sound like a bad choice at the moment.  We don't really have any straight white males in our party with a popular name that could support her (except Newsome, and lets NOT go there).  I love that our party is so diverse, but in order to get votes, you sadly need to have at least one straight white man on the ballot. I hate that thats the way it is....but it is.

[Spellbound454]

  I fear that hot and panicky heads forced Biden out

We saw him recently at the G7 in Italy and it was blatantly obvious that he was unwell.
The rest of the World leaders crowded round and tried to make it look ok ...... but they knew, everybody did.

This isn't some sort of plot to rid you of a very good man.
You made a difficult choice .... but it was the right one.

[Opti]

Jul 22, 2024 15:15:03 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

  I fear that hot and panicky heads forced Biden out

We saw him recently at the G7 in Italy and it was blatantly obvious that he was unwell.
The rest of the World leaders crowded round and tried to make it look ok ...... but they knew, everybody did.

This isn't some sort of plot to rid you of a very good man.
You made a difficult choice .... but it was the right one.

When was this? What day, what were the weather conditions?

[Spellbound454]

G7 summit in Italy 13th or 14th June with the leaders of the 7 Countries.

[grumpyhermit]

Jul 22, 2024 14:20:15 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jul 22, 2024 14:02:10 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I am very nervous about this.  Not just because Harris is a woman, or a woman of color.  She is a woman of color from California, and notriously hated state!  I live here, and I know how much the midwest and southern states dislike us, thinking we are a bunch of elitist liberals who love immigrants (our economy kind of depends on them). We have not had a president from California since Reagan (and he wasn't actually born here), and that was nearly 50 years ago. 

I will vote for her, and pray that she wins, but after what happened to Hilary I am not sure she can beat Trump.  

I think a lot will depend on the choice for VP. She can't go with Newsom (though I read that that would be troublesome under the 12th amendment anyway) or Butigieg (no way a female POC and an openly gay man would win). Even Gretchen Wittmer (twowomen? there are not enough pearls in the world to clutch) won't work. She needs to go with a male, preferalby causcasian, from a swing state to stand a chance.

Just someone with more pull than Tim Kaine please. He did absolutely nothing for that ticket.

[thyme4change]

Jul 21, 2024 18:57:31 GMT -5 tractor said:

I just don't think she has what she needs to be president. Although I can't figure out why...I'd like to see another strong female (or male) candidate take the party lead.

“I don’t like Kamala, but I can’t put my finger on why….”

Are you sure you don’t know why? Who is this stronger female? Warren (75 years old and pretty far to the left), Klobachar (got real quiet after everyone found out she is a tough boss), Porter (couldn’t even get the nomination for CA Senate), Clinton (already lost to Trump, plus she eats babies)?

We never get a perfect candidate.

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2024 15:18:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:15:03 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

We saw him recently at the G7 in Italy and it was blatantly obvious that he was unwell.
The rest of the World leaders crowded round and tried to make it look ok ...... but they knew, everybody did.

This isn't some sort of plot to rid you of a very good man.
You made a difficult choice .... but it was the right one.

When was this? What day, what were the weather conditions?

Remember the old unofficial post office motto?

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds. 

[Tennesseer]

Jul 22, 2024 15:18:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:15:03 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

We saw him recently at the G7 in Italy and it was blatantly obvious that he was unwell.
The rest of the World leaders crowded round and tried to make it look ok ...... but they knew, everybody did.

This isn't some sort of plot to rid you of a very good man.
You made a difficult choice .... but it was the right one.

When was this? What day, what were the weather conditions?

Summit was 13 to 15 June 2024. I see no umbrellas.

trump/Biden debate was June 27, 2024.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

In that photo Biden was talking to the paratroopers who just landed. You can see it in a larger picture. A good example of RW distortion of the facts. 

[grumpyhermit]

Jul 22, 2024 15:23:19 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 21, 2024 18:57:31 GMT -5 tractor said:

I just don't think she has what she needs to be president. Although I can't figure out why...I'd like to see another strong female (or male) candidate take the party lead.

“I don’t like Kamala, nor Obama - but I just can’t really say why….”

Are you sure you don’t know why? Who is this stronger female? Warren (75 years old and pretty far to the left), Klobachar (got real quiet after everyone found out she is a tough boss), Porter (couldn’t even get the nomination for CA Senate), Clinton (already lost to Trump, plus she eats babies)?

We never get a perfect candidate.

"I really can't say way" is almost always an indication you may want to look within and check for some implicit biases. If you truly think someone is unfit for the role, you should be able to articulate it. 

On this short a notice, I don't think the Dems have someone with the national appeal to out perform her. She may not win, but really, who else would you run?

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jul 22, 2024 15:23:15 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

Jul 22, 2024 14:20:15 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I think a lot will depend on the choice for VP. She can't go with Newsom (though I read that that would be troublesome under the 12th amendment anyway) or Butigieg (no way a female POC and an openly gay man would win). Even Gretchen Wittmer (twowomen? there are not enough pearls in the world to clutch) won't work. She needs to go with a male, preferalby causcasian, from a swing state to stand a chance.

Just someone with more pull than Tim Kaine please. He did absolutely nothing for that ticket.

Just found this article. I only know two of the possibles here.

Gov. Beshear
Sen. Kelly
Gov. Cooper
Gov. Shapiro



www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-s-no-2-four-leading-democrats-emerge-as-a-possible-running-mate-for-kamala-harris/ar-BB1qqHC8?cvid=22d3dcdb97a6408e818da6c9e96648ed&ei=28

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2024 15:23:19 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 21, 2024 18:57:31 GMT -5 tractor said:

I just don't think she has what she needs to be president. Although I can't figure out why...I'd like to see another strong female (or male) candidate take the party lead.

“I don’t like Kamala, nor Obama - but I just can’t really say why….”

Are you sure you don’t know why? Who is this stronger female? Warren (75 years old and pretty far to the left), Klobachar (got real quiet after everyone found out she is a tough boss), Porter (couldn’t even get the nomination for CA Senate), Clinton (already lost to Trump, plus she eats babies)?

We never get a perfect candidate.

If it were the start of the campaign season, someone could build forward like Bill Clinton did but it is necessary to have someone hit the ground running.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I like Senator Kelly for VP.

[thyme4change]

Jul 22, 2024 15:33:08 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:23:19 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

“I don’t like Kamala, nor Obama - but I just can’t really say why….”

Are you sure you don’t know why? Who is this stronger female? Warren (75 years old and pretty far to the left), Klobachar (got real quiet after everyone found out she is a tough boss), Porter (couldn’t even get the nomination for CA Senate), Clinton (already lost to Trump, plus she eats babies)?

We never get a perfect candidate.

If it were the start of the campaign season, someone could build forward like Bill Clinton did but it is necessary to have someone hit the ground running.

Who would you lobby for?

[thyme4change]

Jul 22, 2024 15:35:27 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I like Senator Kelly for VP.

I would love that - but I think they need a midwest white guy.

Although - who doesn’t love an astronaut? I don’t think the flat earth/fake moon landing people are up for grabs anyway 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2024 15:36:09 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:33:08 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

If it were the start of the campaign season, someone could build forward like Bill Clinton did but it is necessary to have someone hit the ground running.

Who would you lobby for?

My endorsement has been the kiss of death for way too many over the past 44 years for me to wish it on anyone.

[Opti]

Jul 22, 2024 15:26:35 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

In that photo Biden was talking to the paratroopers who just landed. You can see it in a larger picture. A good example of RW distortion of the facts. 

I think you posted that fact b4, correct?

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2024 15:35:27 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I like Senator Kelly for VP.

As I remember, McCain didn't have to up his seat to run for higher office so that would be good with picking Kelly for a losing run. Who might replace him in the Senate if the ticket wins?

[Opti]

Jul 22, 2024 15:26:18 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:18:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

When was this? What day, what were the weather conditions?

Remember the old unofficial post office motto?

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds. 

Yes. Thought that applied to USPS who usually do not work in several different time zones as part of their jobs. USPS is domestic
mail so in theory they aren't even really dealing with foreign countries except for mail and parcel handoff.

I am older, I have been clobbered this year by weather conditions. That's why I asked. It is one of the risks of being older. Unless of course you are Trump and naturally do less than everyone around you. Example - G7 leaders all walk down the hill. Not so fit Trump waits for a golf cart to take him down.

He leaves a French cemetery early because its raining. 

[Opti]

Jul 22, 2024 15:47:02 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:36:09 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Who would you lobby for?

My endorsement has been the kiss of death for way too many over the past 44 years for me to wish it on anyone.

Ohhhh endorse JD Vance, the man handpicked by Peter thiel to be a potential VP for this very Trump campaign.

[thyme4change]

Jul 22, 2024 15:47:02 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:36:09 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Who would you lobby for?

My endorsement has been the kiss of death for way too many over the past 44 years for me to wish it on anyone.

Please endorse Trump

[happyhoix]

Jul 22, 2024 14:02:10 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I am very nervous about this.  Not just because Harris is a woman, or a woman of color.  She is a woman of color from California, and notriously hated state!  I live here, and I know how much the midwest and southern states dislike us, thinking we are a bunch of elitist liberals who love immigrants (our economy kind of depends on them). We have not had a president from California since Reagan (and he wasn't actually born here), and that was nearly 50 years ago. 

I will vote for her, and pray that she wins, but after what happened to Hilary I am not sure she can beat Trump.  

What’s different now is Trump has had four years of running the country. People know he packed the SCOTUS with far right judges who overturned Roe vs Wade. They know his big tax cut only helped the wealthy. They’ve seen his ludicrous handling of Covid. He can no longer run as the business genius who will fix everything. He can’t talk about draining the swamp, because he is the swamp. And his campaign is already trying to paint Harris as the lazy colored woman, which the one white male minions will love, but the younger, female, non white voters will hate.

Plus he’s got cognitive issues. He rambles and fucks up more than he used to. And his wife barely seems to be able to tolerate being in the same building with him. Every thing about him screams old white man.

I think Harris can do this.

[scgal]

Jul 22, 2024 15:18:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:15:03 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

We saw him recently at the G7 in Italy and it was blatantly obvious that he was unwell.
The rest of the World leaders crowded round and tried to make it look ok ...... but they knew, everybody did.

This isn't some sort of plot to rid you of a very good man.
You made a difficult choice .... but it was the right one.

When was this? What day, what were the weather conditions?

The man is clearly not well if you watched it nit just a pic you would see he just wandered off...iooh man fell out of the sky let me look. When the corralled him he looked so lost. Dems keep making excuses for him many on this board. Remember he fell off a bike oh happens all the time bullshit he forgot he was even on a bike. Then the terrible debate performance they can't hide it any longer. Harris is a nothing, nothing accomplished in the senate nothing done as a vp. Trump is going to destroy her.

[thyme4change]

Jul 22, 2024 16:02:55 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:35:27 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I like Senator Kelly for VP.

As I remember, McCain didn't have to up his seat to run for higher office so that would be good with picking Kelly for a losing run. Who might replace him in the Senate if the ticket wins?

It would be temporarily filled by our Dem governor (Her term expires in like 2028, maybe?) And then the senate seat would be up for a vote in 2026. The GoP is having trouble locking down the Senate in AZ since Trump. We don’t seem to be up for MAGA candidates- fingers crossed, as Kari Lake doesn’t seem to be doing great. But Gallego is pretty bland. The last Republican Senator elected in AZ was Flake, who is a Liz Cheney Republican and left the senate when Trump took over the party.

[Opti]

Jul 22, 2024 16:41:54 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:18:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

When was this? What day, what were the weather conditions?

The man is clearly not well if you watched it nit just a pic you would see he just wandered off...iooh man fell out of the sky let me look. When the corralled him he looked so lost. Dems keep making excuses for him many on this board. Remember he fell off a bike oh happens all the time bullshit he forgot he was even on a bike. Then the terrible debate performance they can't hide it any longer. Harris is a nothing, nothing accomplished in the senate nothing done as a vp. Trump is going to destroy her.

How do you even know what he was or is thinking? Project much?
One bad debate performance. One, and it was more because he shouldn't have shown up try to power through with a hoarse voice. Trump would have never powered through. He is the man of excuses. He would have called out sick claiming one of his bone spurs were acting up. But it turned out preening into the monitor to judge how his facial expressions looked on camera fascinated him. 

You could look up what Harris has done or not done, but I realize that can be too much effort for some folks. Its easier to do the trained FOX news assumption crap. If it wasn't reported on, it didn't happen. If the clip was played 30 million times for political points it must be  baaaaaaaaaaaaaad.      Assumption voting, its the big thing Trump has exploited since he wrangled the RW into his image. 

And about hiding bad debates performances or nonsensical talking, the GOP and Trump's spin team has been doing that since 2015. So it can be done and for far worse than Biden's slip ups. 

[Opti]

Didn't Trump say nothing could stop him? I guess per you, its going to be Harris. 

[chiver78]

Jul 22, 2024 15:23:19 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 21, 2024 18:57:31 GMT -5 tractor said:

I just don't think she has what she needs to be president. Although I can't figure out why...I'd like to see another strong female (or male) candidate take the party lead.

“I don’t like Kamala, but I can’t put my finger on why….”

Are you sure you don’t know why? Who is this stronger female? Warren (75 years old and pretty far to the left), Klobachar (got real quiet after everyone found out she is a tough boss), Porter (couldn’t even get the nomination for CA Senate), Clinton (already lost to Trump, plus she eats babies)?

We never get a perfect candidate.

I'll bite. I said almost exactly this 4y ago, and then a few posters tried to put words in my mouth as to their reasons why. I still don't know exactly what rubbed me the wrong way, bc I liked Klobuchar as a candidate, and I love Warren as a lefty here in MA. but you can bet your ass I'll be ticking the box for Harris over tRump in November.

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2024 16:41:54 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:18:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

When was this? What day, what were the weather conditions?

The man is clearly not well if you watched it nit just a pic you would see he just wandered off...iooh man fell out of the sky let me look. When the corralled him he looked so lost. Dems keep making excuses for him many on this board. Remember he fell off a bike oh happens all the time bullshit he forgot he was even on a bike. Then the terrible debate performance they can't hide it any longer. Harris is a nothing, nothing accomplished in the senate nothing done as a vp. Trump is going to destroy her.

Harris was a junior Senator for four years in a body where seniority is power. The vice presidency is a support position. Your critique will only hold weight with people ignorant of those realities. Few, if any, such here.

[Opti]

Jul 22, 2024 17:12:05 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 22, 2024 15:23:19 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

“I don’t like Kamala, but I can’t put my finger on why….”

Are you sure you don’t know why? Who is this stronger female? Warren (75 years old and pretty far to the left), Klobachar (got real quiet after everyone found out she is a tough boss), Porter (couldn’t even get the nomination for CA Senate), Clinton (already lost to Trump, plus she eats babies)?

We never get a perfect candidate.

I'll bite. I said almost exactly this 4y ago, and then a few posters tried to put words in my mouth as to their reasons why. I still don't know exactly what rubbed me the wrong way, bc I liked Klobuchar as a candidate, and I love Warren as a lefty here in MA. but you can bet your ass I'll be ticking the box for Harris over tRump in November.

I really liked Warren, but I have a feeling the big money donors descended on her like locusts along with party leadership. One day she was suddenly not herself.   

[scgal]

Jul 22, 2024 17:14:10 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 22, 2024 16:41:54 GMT -5 scgal said:

The man is clearly not well if you watched it nit just a pic you would see he just wandered off...iooh man fell out of the sky let me look. When the corralled him he looked so lost. Dems keep making excuses for him many on this board. Remember he fell off a bike oh happens all the time bullshit he forgot he was even on a bike. Then the terrible debate performance they can't hide it any longer. Harris is a nothing, nothing accomplished in the senate nothing done as a vp. Trump is going to destroy her.

Harris was a junior Senator for four years in a body where seniority is power. The vice presidency is a support position. Your critique will only hold weight with people ignorant of those realities. Few, if any, such here.

Exactly she had positions but never done anything hell she didn't even want to visit the border. Again she is nothing