The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[billisonboard]

Jul 21, 2024 23:10:43 GMT -5 obelisk said:

I propose a vote of no confidence to either parties.  

And, when no confidence is expressed, then what?

[MN-Investor]

The number one concern of the Democratic Party is to prevent Trump from ever winning office again.

When told that internal polls showed him losing, Biden did the selfless thing and put country over ego. He dropped out of the race and passed the torch to a younger, qualified candidate who had been polling well against Trump.

The Democrats WILL nominated Kamala at the Democratic National Convention.

Per ActBlue: "As of 9pm ET, grassroots supporters have raised $46.7 million through ActBlue following Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign launch. This has been the biggest fundraising day of the 2024 cycle. Small-dollar donors are fired up and ready to take on this election."

So many folks were not excited about two old, white men facing off once again. This change is getting people interested in the upcoming race.

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Jul 22, 2024 0:04:42 GMT -5 MN-Investor said:

The number one concern of the Democratic Party is to prevent Trump from ever winning office again.

When told that internal polls showed him losing, Biden did the selfless thing and put country over ego. He dropped out of the race and passed the torch to a younger, qualified candidate who had been polling well against Trump.

The Democrats WILL nominated Kamala at the Democratic National Convention.

Per ActBlue: "As of 9pm ET, grassroots supporters have raised $46.7 million through ActBlue following Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign launch. This has been the biggest fundraising day of the 2024 cycle. Small-dollar donors are fired up and ready to take on this election."

So many folks were not excited about two old, white men facing off once again. This change is getting people interested in the upcoming race.

Its my number one concern which is why I wonder the Dem party and everyone watching is so bloody short sighted.
It is July, the date is currently 7-22-2024.

We are roughly one MONTH away from the DNC itself.
The actual election takes place in early NOvember, about 3.5 months from now. A lot can change b4 that and often does.
Poll numbers right after the RNC and Trump et al's marketing of the attempt to shoot Trump dead of course are going to give Trump a momentary bump in the polls. Duh squared. To panic so early, and so quickly feels like some shared delusion I am glad I missed. 

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@mn-InvestorI feel like the Dems just made a critical unforced error that we might not recover from.
This Presidential election is not about age
it is not about competency even of older Americans

It is about the age old Us vs Them
and we just handed the Them, the GOP, all their fears personified - a black woman running for President at the top of the ticket
In 2020, when Biden/Harris won over Trump it was a balanced ticket to win over Trump/whomever

The GOP is running to keep the law of the land is rich white men over everyone. Patricharchy rules, etc.
Running a black woman, not matter how exceptional, pretty much hands the GOP all the marketing tools they could want.




Biden/Harris won because we had an experienced white male at the top of the ticket to balance out Trump and a smart accomplished black woman as VP which would scare the tar out of GOP voters. That combination worked. And it should work again if the nervous Nellies could pause for a week or two and remind themselves the goal is to win. Win, not rearrange the ticket to make everyone happy especially Trump, Putin, etc.

The goal is to win. In history rerunning a ticket like that again almost always results in a win for the incumbents.
But, apparently we can''t have that. Cuz marketing in the middle of the country.

[Spellbound454]

Jul 22, 2024 0:04:42 GMT -5 MN-Investor said:

The number one concern of the Democratic Party is to prevent Trump from ever winning office again.

When told that internal polls showed him losing, Biden did the selfless thing and put country over ego. He dropped out of the race and passed the torch to a younger, qualified candidate who had been polling well against Trump.

The Democrats WILL nominated Kamala at the Democratic National Convention.

Per ActBlue: "As of 9pm ET, grassroots supporters have raised $46.7 million through ActBlue following Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign launch. This has been the biggest fundraising day of the 2024 cycle. Small-dollar donors are fired up and ready to take on this election."

So many folks were not excited about two old, white men facing off once again. This change is getting people interested in the upcoming race.

Her polling is worse than Biden's but then a lot of Americans haven't really seen much of her.

Get her head to head with DT ..... because actually, his acceptance speech was very rambling (he is an old man too) A sharp mind and lots of exposure may be what she needs.

but spokespeople are saying on our TV there could be a short contest for Dem leader .... KH has not been elected to the position and as such doesn't have a mandate.

so what you do next, is not very clear.

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www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-for-next-presidential-debate-to-be-held-on-fox-news/ar-BB1qnE0w?ocid=BingNewsSerp


Former President Donald Trump said the next presidential debate should be moderated by Fox News, not "on Fake News ABC," after President Biden dropped out of the 2024 race.



"My debate with Crooked Joe Biden, the Worst President in the history of the United States, was slated to be broadcast on Fake News ABC, the home of George Slopadopolus, sometime in September. Now that Joe has, not surprisingly, has quit the race, I think the Debate, with whomever the Radical Left Democrats choose, should be held on FoxNews, rather than very biased ABC. Thank you!," Trump posted to Truth Social late Sunday afternoon.


Trump being eager and ready to rumble with Harris should give some people pause.
Because yes Virginia, you played right into his tiny little hands and he can't wait to celebrate in person. MO. YMMV


First debate 6/25/24 (Just before RNC convention)
Second debate 9/2024 (after DNC convention)

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Jul 22, 2024 2:17:14 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Jul 22, 2024 0:04:42 GMT -5 MN-Investor said:

The number one concern of the Democratic Party is to prevent Trump from ever winning office again.

When told that internal polls showed him losing, Biden did the selfless thing and put country over ego. He dropped out of the race and passed the torch to a younger, qualified candidate who had been polling well against Trump.

The Democrats WILL nominated Kamala at the Democratic National Convention.

Per ActBlue: "As of 9pm ET, grassroots supporters have raised $46.7 million through ActBlue following Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign launch. This has been the biggest fundraising day of the 2024 cycle. Small-dollar donors are fired up and ready to take on this election."

So many folks were not excited about two old, white men facing off once again. This change is getting people interested in the upcoming race.

Her polling is worse than Biden's but then a lot of Americans haven't really seen much of her.

Get her head to head with DT ..... because actually, his acceptance speech was very rambling (he is an old man too) A sharp mind and lots of exposure may be what she needs.

but spokespeople are saying on our TV there could be a short contest for Dem leader .... KH has not been elected to the position and as such doesn't have a mandate.

so what you do next, is not very clear.

Harris won't be elected as a winner of the primaries because US primary season has ended
If there is a mandate, it will be by the DNC convention attendees only (mid August dates, about 4 weeks from now)

[obelisk]

Jul 21, 2024 23:22:07 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 21, 2024 23:10:43 GMT -5 obelisk said:

I propose a vote of no confidence to either parties.  

And, when no confidence is expressed, then what?

In a nutshell, to force more than two major parties to promote viable candidates.  In a not so perfect world, the senate and congress can meet to direct our nation.

[tbop77]

Jul 20, 2024 11:50:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 20, 2024 11:45:05 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Then I would have to question the "informed" part.  Our founding fathers went to great lengths to ensure no one person has as much power as this document would give Trump.  

Unitary executive theory holds that they did give the chief executive that power.

Theory is the key word.  

[tbop77]

Jul 21, 2024 22:22:15 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Damn it. I'm pissed. I just lost $20. I had bet in a pool that Biden would drop out much later. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at the dems war room this morning when the news came. How many had heart attacks.

Eh, the Dems knew it was coming, see, Biden cares for the country and stepped aside.  There is plenty of time to figure out who to run.  Meanwhile, I bet the Trump group had a heart attack!  Who can they attack, lie about, insult, and name call?  

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 22, 2024 4:08:06 GMT -5 obelisk said:

Jul 21, 2024 23:22:07 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

And, when no confidence is expressed, then what?

In a nutshell, to force more than two major parties to promote viable candidates.  In a not so perfect world, the senate and congress can meet to direct our nation.

A no confidence vote is a cop out. A decision needs to be made, someone will win. If we want better candidates, we need to vote for them. Not voting, or voting while being ignorant of what is going on, in addition to severe gerrymandering is the problem. Make congressional districts more competitive and see what happens

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Jul 22, 2024 6:24:11 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 22, 2024 4:08:06 GMT -5 obelisk said:

In a nutshell, to force more than two major parties to promote viable candidates.  In a not so perfect world, the senate and congress can meet to direct our nation.

A no confidence vote is a cop out. A decision needs to be made, someone will win. If we want better candidates, we need to vote for them. Not voting, or voting while being ignorant of what is going on, in addition to severe gerrymandering is the problem. Make congressional districts more competitive and see what happens

We need to get them into the system and vote for them at the primary level if not before. Once the GE election ballot is set, there are only two parties with a candidate with enough backing to win. 

Every year that I've paid attention, the Libertarians and the Green Party field a Presidential candidate. I have never registered as a voter for either of those parties so I have no idea about their selection process.  Both parties get more votes in election years when the general voting public thinks the two major candidates are crap.

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Jul 22, 2024 5:41:38 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Jul 21, 2024 22:22:15 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Damn it. I'm pissed. I just lost $20. I had bet in a pool that Biden would drop out much later. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at the dems war room this morning when the news came. How many had heart attacks.

Eh, the Dems knew it was coming, see, Biden cares for the country and stepped aside.  There is plenty of time to figure out who to run.  Meanwhile, I bet the Trump group had a heart attack!  Who can they attack, lie about, insult, and name call?  

I think some of the Dems must love the idea of Trump as next President, which is why they pressured a sitting President, one who won against Trump to step down. 

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Jul 22, 2024 5:41:38 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Jul 21, 2024 22:22:15 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Damn it. I'm pissed. I just lost $20. I had bet in a pool that Biden would drop out much later. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at the dems war room this morning when the news came. How many had heart attacks.

Eh, the Dems knew it was coming, see, Biden cares for the country and stepped aside.  There is plenty of time to figure out who to run.  Meanwhile, I bet the Trump group had a heart attack!  Who can they attack, lie about, insult, and name call?  

No heart attack. Just cold anger at the Dems for allowing themselves to be marketed to like Trump sheeple voters. 

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apnews.com/article/trump-assassination-attempt-timeline-59e2f4fcdf8379aa2cb5f141825d60a3


Trump continued his speech and turned to his right to point toward a screen displaying border-crossing numbers when three shots were heard.


As the first pop rings out, Trump says “Oh” and raises his hand to his right ear and looks at it, before quickly crouching to the ground behind his lectern.


Secret Service agents rush to the stage and pile atop the former president to shield him. Rallygoers scream, crouch down and run away as heavily armed law enforcement officers surround the stage.



— Seconds after the first three shots, five more shots ring out in rapid succession.


Two spectators were critically wounded. One of the injured spectators was seated in the bleachers to the left of Trump as he faced forward. The bullet appeared to go past Trump, hitting the person.

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Harris trails Trump by an average of 2 points in several national polls ― an improvement over Biden’s 3-point deficit before he dropped out, the New York Times reported.

Jul 22, 2024, 07:39 AM EDT

www.huffpost.com/entry/margaret-brennan-political-suicide-kamala-harris_n_669e21e9e4b008fc7de11dcb

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jul 21, 2024 18:14:11 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 21, 2024 17:27:32 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Biden would not have dropped out if there wasn't strong polling evidence he wasn't going to win. I think Harris is the only chance for defeating Trump.

I’m not sure. There is a segment of the voters who won’t vote for a women. Another segment who won’t vote for a black person. 

I’m hoping they will be out weighed by a surge of younger voters suddenly motivated to vote for someone who isn’t past retirement age. 

DH and I were debating this and I said that Harris has working for her that she is VP.  I said statistically and historically usually the previous VP has the better chance of winning the election due to name brand recognition and having already been next in line for the office.

BUT this is a woman we are talking about.  Not only a woman but an African American/southeast Asian woman.  So fucking shocker even having been Vice President of the United States, second in line for the presidency, doesn't qualify her to be President for some people.

But Trump was qualified in 2016.

Don't anybody dare bring up Regan to justify Trump.  Regan was an actor but he ran and won Govenor of California and immersed himself heavily in studying government operations before running for president.

Obama was a constitutional lawyer and a senator before he ran for president.

Trump just showed up and opened his big mouth.

But he was a rich white dude after having a black president and coming extremely close to having a female president.  So naturally that made Trump the most qualified person in history. 

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2024 4:08:06 GMT -5 obelisk said:

Jul 21, 2024 23:22:07 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

And, when no confidence is expressed, then what?

In a nutshell, to force more than two major parties to promote viable candidates.  In a not so perfect world, the senate and congress can meet to direct our nation.

There does not exist more than two major parties. There are other parties who do promote candidates that they believe are "viable" but voters seem to disagree when it is time to vote in actual elections.

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2024 5:30:44 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Jul 20, 2024 11:50:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Unitary executive theory holds that they did give the chief executive that power.

Theory is the key word.  

Gravity is a theory. Well grounded, but a theory none the less. Believers in a unitary executive consider it to be well grounded as I am sure you consider your views on the proper powers of the presidency. "Truth" can be a tricky thing.

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[Opti]

This just seems like an abnormal reaction.

apnews.com/article/trump-assassination-attempt-timeline-59e2f4fcdf8379aa2cb5f141825d60a3

About one minute after the shooter is hit

— The Secret Service says the shooter is down.



— Video shows Trump getting to his feet and reaching with his right hand toward his face, which was smeared with blood.



— As Trump stands up, he pumps his right fist to the crowd.


— He appears to mouth the word “fight” twice to supporters, prompting loud cheers and then chants of “USA. USA. USA.”

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 22, 2024 8:54:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 22, 2024 5:30:44 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Theory is the key word.  

Gravity is a theory. Well grounded, but a theory none the less. Believers in a unitary executive consider it to be well grounded as I am sure you consider your views on the proper powers of the presidency. "Truth" can be a tricky thing.

False equivalency. Gravity is testable and provable. Political theories are not provable to the same extent, they are "proven" by the winner

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2024 9:21:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

This just seems like an abnormal reaction.

apnews.com/article/trump-assassination-attempt-timeline-59e2f4fcdf8379aa2cb5f141825d60a3

About one minute after the shooter is hit

— The Secret Service says the shooter is down.



— Video shows Trump getting to his feet and reaching with his right hand toward his face, which was smeared with blood.



— As Trump stands up, he pumps his right fist to the crowd.


— He appears to mouth the word “fight” twice to supporters, prompting loud cheers and then chants of “USA. USA. USA.”

In a singular unique situation, I am not sure how one determines a "normal" reaction. Does this reaction make sense? You have a high level candidate at a political rally shot at and wounded. Physiological reaction of fight/flight. Informed that the threat is neutralized, moving to rally the crowd. Seems reasonable to me.

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2024 9:33:30 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 22, 2024 8:54:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Gravity is a theory. Well grounded, but a theory none the less. Believers in a unitary executive consider it to be well grounded as I am sure you consider your views on the proper powers of the presidency. "Truth" can be a tricky thing.

False equivalency. Gravity is testable and provable. Political theories are not provable to the same extent, they are "proven" by the winner

Yet gravity is still a theory.

I thought I said what you said in the second part of your post in my post.

[busymom]

Democrats received around $50 million in donations yesterday.  I confess that I donated yesterday too.  I cannot stomach the idea of another 4 years of Trump.  The first 4 were bad enough.  

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 22, 2024 9:42:53 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 22, 2024 9:33:30 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

False equivalency. Gravity is testable and provable. Political theories are not provable to the same extent, they are "proven" by the winner

Yet gravity is still a theory.

I thought I said what you said in the second part of your post in my post.

That is because science defines it that way. It leaves the door open for adjustments to the theory. The fact that evolution happens is not open for debate. The Theory of evolution will likely change over time, due to better understanding of how it happens. But evolution, like gravity is a fact.

Like I said, false equivalency. Science, unlike politics and the rest of mankind, is capable of adjusting its thinking when facts change. Hence "theories".

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 22, 2024 9:37:53 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 22, 2024 9:21:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

This just seems like an abnormal reaction.

apnews.com/article/trump-assassination-attempt-timeline-59e2f4fcdf8379aa2cb5f141825d60a3

About one minute after the shooter is hit

— The Secret Service says the shooter is down.



— Video shows Trump getting to his feet and reaching with his right hand toward his face, which was smeared with blood.



— As Trump stands up, he pumps his right fist to the crowd.


— He appears to mouth the word “fight” twice to supporters, prompting loud cheers and then chants of “USA. USA. USA.”

In a singular unique situation, I am not sure how one determines a "normal" reaction. Does this reaction make sense? You have a high level candidate at a political rally shot at and wounded. Physiological reaction of fight/flight. Informed that the threat is neutralized, moving to rally the crowd. Seems reasonable to me.

Yes, no one knows how you would react in a similar situation. Much as I hate Trump, he had a visceral reaction that was completely in chaaracter.

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2024 10:14:17 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 22, 2024 9:42:53 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Yet gravity is still a theory.

I thought I said what you said in the second part of your post in my post.

That is because science defines it that way. It leaves the door open for adjustments to the theory. The fact that evolution happens is not open for debate. The Theory of evolution will likely change over time, due to better understanding of how it happens. But evolution, like gravity is a fact.

Like I said, false equivalency. Science, unlike politics and the rest of mankind, is capable of adjusting its thinking when facts change. Hence "theories".

Do you realize you jumped into the middle of an ongoing conversation and are supporting the point I made when unitary executive theory was dismissed as just a theory?

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 22, 2024 10:18:46 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 22, 2024 10:14:17 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

That is because science defines it that way. It leaves the door open for adjustments to the theory. The fact that evolution happens is not open for debate. The Theory of evolution will likely change over time, due to better understanding of how it happens. But evolution, like gravity is a fact.

Like I said, false equivalency. Science, unlike politics and the rest of mankind, is capable of adjusting its thinking when facts change. Hence "theories".

Do you realize you jumped into the middle of an ongoing conversation and are supporting the point I made when unitary executive theory was dismissed as just a theory?

I know. Just being pedantic. Have had a lousy past 7 days

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Jul 22, 2024 10:31:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 22, 2024 10:18:46 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Do you realize you jumped into the middle of an ongoing conversation and are supporting the point I made when unitary executive theory was dismissed as just a theory?

I know. Just being pedantic. Have had a lousy past 7 days

Weather has been kind of crappy in our area PMD. I don't give a crap about unitary executive theory unless it really applies to our form of federal government.

What are the current stats and trends in Covid cases? Per NJ12 CT is a hotspot but that kind of implies out two states may be close behind.

So how bad is it? Or how interesting has it been for you and your workplace Covid-wise?