The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[Tennesseer]

Trump town hall could be prime-time viewing for prosecutors across the country
Whatever the New Hampshire event does for his 2024 prospects, the former president could dig himself into a deeper hole in his various legal entanglements.

Donald Trump doesn’t do himself many favors when he opens his mouth.

The former president was found liable Tuesday for sexual abuse and defamation in writer E. Jean Carroll’s civil case, and he may well have made it worse for himself had he testified. And that’s just one of the cases on Trump’s busy legal docket, with his hush money criminal case pending in New York and other potential cases brewing in Georgia and Washington, D.C., that strike at the heart of democracy.

So whatever CNN’s town hall Wednesday night in New Hampshire does for Trump’s 2024 prospects, it could provide a platform for self-incrimination in his criminal probes and/or open him up to civil liability if he makes defamatory statements. It’s unclear how the network plans to handle the legally challenged candidate and his opportunistic approach to the truth, but his legal entanglements are germane topics for presidential fitness.

Rest of article here: Trump town hall could be prime-time viewing for prosecutors across the country

[djAdvocate]

Trump favorability is up 7% since April 5th.
WTF is going on, here?


projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

[djAdvocate]

holy shit!  April 5th was the day he appeared in court!

[happyhoix]

May 11, 2023 15:48:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Trump favorability is up 7% since April 5th.
WTF is going on, here?


projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

I would say those are the people who believe poor Donald can’t get a fair trial in this country. Sympathy vote.

However, I saw a journalist interviewing about ten members of the town hall meeting, all people who voted for Trump before. All of them wished Trump would stop whining about 2020 and start talking about what he would do in 2024.

When the reporter asked how many had made up their minds to vote for him again in 2024, only 1 50 year old guy raised his hand. That’s nine others that said they agreed with him but didn’t know if they would vote for him.

I wonder if that poll asked ‘will you vote for him’ rather than ‘do you approve of him’ there would be significantly different answers.

[djAdvocate]

May 11, 2023 18:52:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

May 11, 2023 15:48:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Trump favorability is up 7% since April 5th.
WTF is going on, here?


projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

I would say those are the people who believe poor Donald can’t get a fair trial in this country. Sympathy vote.

However, I saw a journalist interviewing about ten members of the town hall meeting, all people who voted for Trump before. All of them wished Trump would stop whining about 2020 and start talking about what he would do in 2024.

When the reporter asked how many had made up their minds to vote for him again in 2024, only 1 50 year old guy raised his hand. That’s nine others that said they agreed with him but didn’t know if they would vote for him.

I wonder if that poll asked ‘will you vote for him’ rather than ‘do you approve of him’ there would be significantly different answers.

again, this is FAVORABILITY.  i think sympathy is an important factor.  in fact, it might be the most important factor.  Bush, as an example, always had good favorability.  he was generally LIKEABLE.  even if you thought he sucked as a person or president.  which i did.

[djAdvocate]

PS- thanks for pointing that out.  Bush had a higher favorability rating when his approval was at 20% than Trump does now.  in other words, the fact that he is on trial garners more human sympathy for him, but does nothing for him as a candidate.

i think that is probably accurate.

[tbop77]

Need a good laugh for the day:


www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/joe-biden-is-definitely-going-to-prison-as-soon-as-the-gop-finds-its-missing-informant/ar-AA1bgJtm?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dbd03a2685664ef3a1c012e17591c285&ei=11

[tbop77]

Trump unleashes sophomoric DeSantis deepfake. GOP should support a grownup for president.

In addition to the deepfake, shortly after DeSantis’ announcement, Trump wrote the following on his site Truth Social: “ ‘Rob,’ My Red Button is bigger, better, stronger, and is working (TRUTH!), yours does not! (per my conversation with Kim Jung Un, of North Korea, soon to become my friend!).”


www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-unleashes-sophomoric-desantis-deepfake-gop-should-support-a-grownup-for-president/ar-AA1bYyoT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2e67c0942377494096a82daa1104266c&ei=90


I'm quiet entertained by the Ron and Don show.  

[pulmonarymd]

That’s the point. They don’t want an adult. They are no longer even pretending they want to govern. All they are about is outrage, fighting wokism, and owning the libs. Competence and morality no longer matter.

[tbop77]

Trump trashed the US military for becoming 'woke' a few hours after claiming he actually hates that term


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-trashed-the-us-military-for-becoming-woke-a-few-hours-after-claiming-he-actually-hates-that-term/ar-AA1c1YQX?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2e67c0942377494096a82daa1104266c&ei=67

Your Republican frontrunner~  

[happyhoix]

Heard on the news this morning that the GOP has set rules that everyone who wants to participate in the primary debates have to sign a paper promising in the end they will support whichever GOP candidate wins the primary.

I’m wondering if they think this will prevent Trump from declaring a third party if he doesn’t win the primary?

I can’t decide if Trump with sign it and ignore it, or refuse to sign it but push his way on the debate stage anyway.

[Opti]

Jun 2, 2023 7:48:10 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

That’s the point. They don’t want an adult. They are no longer even pretending they want to govern. All they are about is outrage, fighting wokism, and owning the libs. Competence and morality no longer matter.

Are there any in the current crop of the GOP field that count as adults?
Pence?
Tim Scott?

Chris Christie would when he announces.

I think though most are petulant toddlers telling us they are all in charge with the policies and reasoning skills of two year olds.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 4, 2023 7:29:17 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Heard on the news this morning that the GOP has set rules that everyone who wants to participate in the primary debates have to sign a paper promising in the end they will support whichever GOP candidate wins the primary.

I’m wondering if they think this will prevent Trump from declaring a third party if he doesn’t win the primary?

I can’t decide if Trump with sign it and ignore it, or refuse to sign it but push his way on the debate stage anyway.

Two words:  classified documents.

[Opti]

"I'm going to meet the criteria, whatever is set, to get on the debate stage. It's very important," Republican presidential candidate and former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson told Fox News.



"Whenever you set a requirement that you support the nominee of the party, I would have preferred it simply say you pledge not to run as a third party candidate," Hutchinson emphasized.


www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-party-releases-requirements-presidential-candidates-hoping-first-2024-primary-debate

[djAdvocate]

they won't put that pledge in.  if they did, they would have to attach a TEN BILLION DOLLAR PENALTY for violating it.  i am not even sure that would stop Trump, but it stands a better of chance than relying on anything even remotely like his word.

[Empire the P.A.]

Chris Christie jumps into the 2024 GOP presidential race

[billisonboard]

Jun 6, 2023 15:36:42 GMT -5 Empire the P.A. said:

Chris Christie jumps into the 2024 GOP presidential race

Felt that (and I am in Washington State)

[Opti]

Jun 6, 2023 15:36:42 GMT -5 Empire the P.A. said:

Chris Christie jumps into the 2024 GOP presidential race

I expected this. I wonder if he has enough big money donors to survive to the final rounds this time. Trump will repeatedly attack his appearance which will not be as successful as it was in 2016. Trump is a known, and not in a good way. DeSantis is imploding and I could spawn off entire clothing lines and merch based on what he's done just in the last month.

[pulmonarymd]

Christie at least understands trump and trumps way of thinking and behavior. Hopefully he can give as good as he gets. Trumps skin is so thin we might see some exceptional fireworks if he foes

[Opti]

Jun 6, 2023 19:28:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Christie at least understands trump and trumps way of thinking and behavior. Hopefully he can give as good as he gets. Trumps skin is so thin we might see some exceptional fireworks if he foes

Christie started creating the government when Trump won the Gop nom but hadn't won the Presidential election. Christie was NJ governor and can do bipartisan stuff. As much as I am mad at him for how he enabled Trump, he is the best and least dangerous choice for America of the current GOP candidates I am aware of.

He will push GOP policies although honestly I don't know what those are anymore. Too big US military compared to the world? Cutting benefits of the least of us, i.e. Americans who did not manage to be median income or above?

He could bring back though respect for the law. That's where his heart lies.

[djAdvocate]

he would govern like Republicans used to govern.
which makes him less of a worry than most of the others.
who are more likely to win the nomination.

[happyhoix]

Jun 6, 2023 19:28:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Christie at least understands trump and trumps way of thinking and behavior. Hopefully he can give as good as he gets. Trumps skin is so thin we might see some exceptional fireworks if he foes

Mary Trump says the easiest way to get under Trumps skin is to mention the time Trumps older brother Freddie (Mary’s dad) picked up a bowl of mashed potatoes and dumped it on Trump’s head when they were kids and Trump was torturing his younger brother.

Makes him livid when someone mentions it. Wouldn’t it be great if Christie knows that and throws that story out there at the beginning of a debate. Let Trump go berserk in front of America.

[djAdvocate]

we have come a long way from Howard Dean's disqualifying "scream".

seems quaint, in retrospect.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Jun 6, 2023 19:37:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he would govern like Republicans used to govern.
which makes him less of a worry than most of the others.
who are more likely to win the nomination.

What about Pence?  I'm trying to decide who I could stomach but you hear so little from him...which isn't a bad thing compared to the blowhards. 

I don't think he could beat Trump in the primary though because all Trump's minions hate him now.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 6, 2023 21:02:19 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Jun 6, 2023 19:37:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he would govern like Republicans used to govern.
which makes him less of a worry than most of the others.
who are more likely to win the nomination.

What about Pence?  I'm trying to decide who I could stomach but you hear so little from him...which isn't a bad thing compared to the blowhards. 

I don't think he could beat Trump in the primary though because all Trump's minions hate him now.

well, there are two wings of the GOP to worry about, imo.

first, there are the neofascists.  they are the clearest danger.

but just below them are the Dominionists.  

i don't think Pence is in camp A.  but i think he is pretty squarely in camp B.

either way, democracy is imperiled.  but at least Pence has a moral core.

[Opti]

Jun 6, 2023 19:37:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he would govern like Republicans used to govern.
which makes him less of a worry than most of the others.
who are more likely to win the nomination.

We need the dog on the roof rack moment for Trump and DeSantis. I do think both of them have done too much wrong to win. My concern is they will keep pulling America into the swamp with them, with the charlatans and other snake oil salesman.

And election turnout is always a wildcard. Cannot expect Biden will win with the numbers Reagan did if the unfortunate thing happens and Trump is the nominee. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 6, 2023 21:41:07 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jun 6, 2023 19:37:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he would govern like Republicans used to govern.
which makes him less of a worry than most of the others.
who are more likely to win the nomination.

We need the dog on the roof rack moment for Trump and DeSantis. I do think both of them have done too much wrong to win. My concern is they will keep pulling America into the swamp with them, with the charlatans and other snake oil salesman.

And election turnout is always a wildcard. Cannot expect Biden will win with the numbers Reagan did if the unfortunate thing happens and Trump is the nominee. 

if it makes you feel any better, Biden and Reagan were TIED a month ago in terms of approval for this time in their first term.  but Biden has fallen 2% since then, so yeah, this is not a good level for him.  i can't predict what will happen with approval.  it baffles me that he is not doing far better than he is.  he has been a really good president so far.  much better than even my most optimistic forecast.  he should be crushing it in approval just on the jobs number alone.  

[djAdvocate]

i didn't want to, but i just looked up Trump's favorability rating.  i figured it had kept climbing since April.

i was wrong.  his favorability has dropped down again.  it is now about "average" for the last (12) months= 42%.  this is quite comparable to Biden's approval numbers.

i continue to contend that Biden can beat Trump again, and i also think that half the candidates running would do better than Trump.  part of me wishes for Trump to be the nominee.  but it is so dangerous for the US for that to happen that it is like wishing for heroin.

[Opti]

Jun 6, 2023 23:29:33 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i didn't want to, but i just looked up Trump's favorability rating.  i figured it had kept climbing since April.

i was wrong.  his favorability has dropped down again.  it is now about "average" for the last (12) months= 42%.  this is quite comparable to Biden's approval numbers.

i continue to contend that Biden can beat Trump again, and i also think that half the candidates running would do better than Trump.  part of me wishes for Trump to be the nominee.  but it is so dangerous for the US for that to happen that it is like wishing for heroin.

Remember most of Trump's sheeple only see positive news about him. That and lies meant to make him look good. They are not living in reality from what I can tell. Tommy Tuberville actually thinks voters who vote Democrat will switch to Trump because of the condition of the country. There must be something in the water or air of these most corruptible GOPers. Apparently, Mr. Tuberville violated the stock act 132 times and is a big trader of MS stock.

Perhaps when you feel you are above the law or you can ignore ones you think are stupid, your tether to reality is so weak you'll believe anything.    (Almost posted the article on Tuberville yesterday. If someone wants to find it that would be great. Full day today so will not look for that until tonight at earliest.)

[Tennesseer]