The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[swamp]

Dec 27, 2022 12:40:24 GMT -5 dondub said:

Dec 27, 2022 11:38:29 GMT -5 swamp said:

I'm Gen X and I'm starting to feel like Prince Charles.   Just waiting for the older generation to go away. 

Well I’m boomer and keep waiting for your Gen to step up with a viable candidate.😎

We can't.  You guys wont' get out of the way.  It's like generational constipation.  Y'all need a good dose of Miralax. 

[swamp]

How about Cory Booker
Tammy Duckworth
Pete Buttegieg (needs a little more cooking, though)
Amy Klobuchar (late boomer)
Chris Christie (late boomer) 
Chris Sununu
Gretchen Whitmer 
Gavin Newsom 
Kristi Noem (I think she's a nightmare, but she's got relevant experience and is a darling of the right) 
Stacy Abrams 

[dondub]

Dec 27, 2022 14:57:53 GMT -5 swamp said:

How about Cory Booker
Tammy Duckworth
Pete Buttegieg (needs a little more cooking, though)
Amy Klobuchar (late boomer)
Chris Christie (late boomer) 
Chris Sununu
Gretchen Whitmer 
Gavin Newsom 
Kristi Noem (I think she's a nightmare, but she's got relevant experience and is a darling of the right) 
Stacy Abrams 

I like Booker, want a Klobuchar~Buttigieg ticket in ‘24. Christie has that ‘orange nose’, Noem is an election denier. Like Tammy a lot. Sunnunu is a RINO!😎 not sure if Newsom and Whitney have established enough nation wide familiarity. Stacey needed to win in Georgia to stay relevant.

I wanted Klobuchar for potus in 2020. I didn’t vote for Biden as he had personally tainted himself voting for the BushCo./PNAC wars. I can think of a lot of cool stuff we could have done with that wasted 6 Trillion. Plus, we could have zeroed the debt without those wars and the Bush tax cut.

[tallguy]

Dec 27, 2022 14:14:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

In 2012, I did vote against. And who was nominated did make a difference. Obama had pissed me off with his escalated in Afghanistan. I decided I could live with a Romney presidency. I voted third party.

In 2012 I attended the Republican Party caucus.  Obama was certain to be re-nominated so there was no reason to go to the other.  I wasn't going to vote GOP but wanted to at least assert my preference for Romney over the other clowns the GOP was putting out there.  As a moderate, left-of-but-mostly-centrist voter there was no way I was not going to vote for Obama, but unless the GOP blows themselves up and starts over there is NFW I will ever vote for them again.  The whole party deserves to die at this point. 

[billisonboard]

Dec 27, 2022 14:57:53 GMT -5 swamp said:

How about Cory Booker
Tammy Duckworth
Pete Buttegieg (needs a little more cooking, though)
Amy Klobuchar (late boomer)
Chris Christie (late boomer) 
Chris Sununu
Gretchen Whitmer 
Gavin Newsom 
Kristi Noem (I think she's a nightmare, but she's got relevant experience and is a darling of the right) 
Stacy Abrams 

Story I have told before: volunteering on a challenge course, course manager quit, I applied, got it. Another volunteer complained she was more qualified. I told her that in many ways she was more qualified but lacked one that was essential. She didn't have what it took to apply and convince a committee to hire her. The people on the list are qualified but dondub said viable.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 27, 2022 15:27:29 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Dec 27, 2022 14:14:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

In 2012, I did vote against. And who was nominated did make a difference. Obama had pissed me off with his escalated in Afghanistan. I decided I could live with a Romney presidency. I voted third party.

In 2012 I attended the Republican Party caucus.  Obama was certain to be re-nominated so there was no reason to go to the other.  I wasn't going to vote GOP but wanted to at least assert my preference for Romney over the other clowns the GOP was putting out there.  As a moderate, left-of-but-mostly-centrist voter there was no way I was not going to vote for Obama, but unless the GOP blows themselves up and starts over there is NFW I will ever vote for them again.  The whole party deserves to die at this point. 

the hatred of disappointment runs deep in this one.

[tallguy]

Dec 27, 2022 16:22:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 27, 2022 15:27:29 GMT -5 tallguy said:

In 2012 I attended the Republican Party caucus.  Obama was certain to be re-nominated so there was no reason to go to the other.  I wasn't going to vote GOP but wanted to at least assert my preference for Romney over the other clowns the GOP was putting out there.  As a moderate, left-of-but-mostly-centrist voter there was no way I was not going to vote for Obama, but unless the GOP blows themselves up and starts over there is NFW I will ever vote for them again.  The whole party deserves to die at this point. 

the hatred of disappointment runs deep in this one.

Not sure if it is really due to disappointment, since my expectations of them were so low to begin with....  Can't it just be hatred of vile, corrupt, disgusting, hateful, hypocritical, fascist, and treasonous thoughts, beliefs, and behavior?  'Cause..., they've got all of those pretty much nailed!

[djAdvocate]

i got that phrase from Burroughs, but sure.  flex your inner poet.

[hurley1980]

Dec 27, 2022 10:31:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Dec 27, 2022 8:28:58 GMT -5 irishpad said:

A question for those who voted for Biden in the last election but don't want him to run in 2024?   Is it mostly because of his age?  If so, I understand that but I also think he has the best chance of winning and if he dies in office, at least we still have the office in Democratic hands.  He has accomplished (with razor thin majorities) some significant legislative victories such the infrastructure bill (which was always going to happen in the next two weeks in Trump world).   Why abandon someone who is actually getting things done?   

I'm not against Biden running exactly if he has the best shot of beating Trump again I will hold my nose and vote for him.

But I am getting tired of super old rich white dudes running the country.  It's way overdue that this generation start stepping aside and let the "young" people start running things.  I am getting tired of waiting for things to change one funeral at a time.

Pete is still a white dude but at least he's younger than 70+ and we would get the first LBGTQ+ president so that is a win.  I would prefer a female president myself but I unfortunately am starting to believe that will never happen in my lifetime.   As VP you would think that Kamala would be the next logical choice but IDK in the current climate even with being VP if a minority female candidate could win, especially against Trump who will pull out all the stops like he did with Obama.

And it disgusts me that I even typed that but that's the sad reality of America in 2023.   I HATE that my choices continue to come down to the old rich white dude I hate the least.

How is it in a country of 350+ million people, all we get to chose from is 2 old white men?!?! With the exception of Obama and Clinton, it always seems to be between 2 rich dusty old white men.  I am so sick of it!

I'll vote for Biden again if he is the candidate, but I really don't want to. 

[swamp]

Dec 27, 2022 21:30:21 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Dec 27, 2022 10:31:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I'm not against Biden running exactly if he has the best shot of beating Trump again I will hold my nose and vote for him.

But I am getting tired of super old rich white dudes running the country.  It's way overdue that this generation start stepping aside and let the "young" people start running things.  I am getting tired of waiting for things to change one funeral at a time.

Pete is still a white dude but at least he's younger than 70+ and we would get the first LBGTQ+ president so that is a win.  I would prefer a female president myself but I unfortunately am starting to believe that will never happen in my lifetime.   As VP you would think that Kamala would be the next logical choice but IDK in the current climate even with being VP if a minority female candidate could win, especially against Trump who will pull out all the stops like he did with Obama.

And it disgusts me that I even typed that but that's the sad reality of America in 2023.   I HATE that my choices continue to come down to the old rich white dude I hate the least.

How is it in a country of 350+ million people, all we get to chose from is 2 old white men?!?! With the exception of Obama and Clinton, it always seems to be between 2 rich dusty old white men.  I am so sick of it!

I'll vote for Biden again if he is the candidate, but I really don't want to. 

[scgal]

Dec 27, 2022 21:30:21 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Dec 27, 2022 10:31:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I'm not against Biden running exactly if he has the best shot of beating Trump again I will hold my nose and vote for him.

But I am getting tired of super old rich white dudes running the country.  It's way overdue that this generation start stepping aside and let the "young" people start running things.  I am getting tired of waiting for things to change one funeral at a time.

Pete is still a white dude but at least he's younger than 70+ and we would get the first LBGTQ+ president so that is a win.  I would prefer a female president myself but I unfortunately am starting to believe that will never happen in my lifetime.   As VP you would think that Kamala would be the next logical choice but IDK in the current climate even with being VP if a minority female candidate could win, especially against Trump who will pull out all the stops like he did with Obama.

And it disgusts me that I even typed that but that's the sad reality of America in 2023.   I HATE that my choices continue to come down to the old rich white dude I hate the least.

How is it in a country of 350+ million people, all we get to chose from is 2 old white men?!?! With the exception of Obama and Clinton, it always seems to be between 2 rich dusty old white men.  I am so sick of it!

I'll vote for Biden again if he is the candidate, but I really don't want to. 

I see where younger would be a preference but what is the problem with white? I personally don't care what color. If a white person said I want to keep white president in they would be considered racist. I personally would like to see a republican female but I don't see any viable yet.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 28, 2022 7:43:32 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 27, 2022 21:30:21 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

How is it in a country of 350+ million people, all we get to chose from is 2 old white men?!?! With the exception of Obama and Clinton, it always seems to be between 2 rich dusty old white men.  I am so sick of it!

I'll vote for Biden again if he is the candidate, but I really don't want to. 

I see where younger would be a preference but what is the problem with white? I personally don't care what color. If a white person said I want to keep white president in they would be considered racist. I personally would like to see a republican female but I don't see any viable yet.

i think they were just adding to the list of variables.  it is a FACT that 45/46 presidents were white men.  if you want to break that trend.......

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Dec 28, 2022 7:43:32 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 27, 2022 21:30:21 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

How is it in a country of 350+ million people, all we get to chose from is 2 old white men?!?! With the exception of Obama and Clinton, it always seems to be between 2 rich dusty old white men.  I am so sick of it!

I'll vote for Biden again if he is the candidate, but I really don't want to. 

I see where younger would be a preference but what is the problem with white? I personally don't care what color. If a white person said I want to keep white president in they would be considered racist. I personally would like to see a republican female but I don't see any viable yet.

Because as a fellow white person I recognize the tremendous amount of privilege that comes with it in the country and that if I want other people to be on my playing field we need someone who isn't white to represent the country.  The demographics of our country are changing and who represents us should come with it.

I am tired of living in a rich white old dude's world.   

I recognize I'm going to have to make compromises it is unlikely I will live to see all my desires in a single candidate. 

I would have taken Clinton because then at least we have a woman.  I'd take Pete because at least then we've broken ground for LBGTQ+ people.  Obama broke ground for African Americans.

Then we went and elected Trump as a direct message to anyone who is NOT a rich white dusty old white dude.  We're going backwards.  I don't view people who are different than me as a threat.  People who are different than me bring perspective I do not have and challenge my world view.   That is desperately needed if we are ever going to progress as a country.

[scgal]

Dec 28, 2022 10:41:22 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Dec 28, 2022 7:43:32 GMT -5 scgal said:

I see where younger would be a preference but what is the problem with white? I personally don't care what color. If a white person said I want to keep white president in they would be considered racist. I personally would like to see a republican female but I don't see any viable yet.

Because as a fellow white person I recognize the tremendous amount of privilege that comes with it in the country and that if I want other people to be on my playing field we need someone who isn't white to represent the country.  The demographics of our country are changing and who represents us should come with it.

I am tired of living in a rich white old dude's world.   

I recognize I'm going to have to make compromises it is unlikely I will live to see all my desires in a single candidate. 

I would have taken Clinton because then at least we have a woman.  I'd take Pete because at least then we've broken ground for LBGTQ+ people.  Obama broke ground for African Americans.

Then we went and elected Trump as a direct message to anyone who is NOT a rich white dusty old white dude.  We're going backwards.  I don't view people who are different than me as a threat.  People who are different than me bring perspective I do not have and challenge my world view.   That is desperately needed if we are ever going to progress as a country.

Interesting so to have a group of people represented they have to be elected president? The demographics don't support your claim they may be changing but according to the 2020 census the US. is 75% white or 59% white non hispanic. Either way it is half to three quarters of the people.  I don't see people different than me as a threat but I sure as hell don't want to elect anyone to any office if they are not qualified. (I did this with Trump because I didn't want Hillary) If that means to keep electing old white dudes then so be it. 

[billisonboard]

Dec 28, 2022 7:43:32 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 27, 2022 21:30:21 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

How is it in a country of 350+ million people, all we get to chose from is 2 old white men?!?! With the exception of Obama and Clinton, it always seems to be between 2 rich dusty old white men.  I am so sick of it!

I'll vote for Biden again if he is the candidate, but I really don't want to. 

I see where younger would be a preference but what is the problem with white? I personally don't care what color. If a white person said I want to keep white president in they would be considered racist. I personally would like to see a republican female but I don't see any viable yet.

Here is how I read this, "I am female so would like to see a female elected. I am white so see no need to elect someone who is not white."

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I don't see people different than me as a threat but I sure as hell don't want to elect anyone to any office if they are not qualified. (I did this with Trump because I didn't want Hillary)

trump was not qualified and never will be. Hillary would have been the best choice.

[bean29]

Dec 28, 2022 10:41:22 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Dec 28, 2022 7:43:32 GMT -5 scgal said:

I see where younger would be a preference but what is the problem with white? I personally don't care what color. If a white person said I want to keep white president in they would be considered racist. I personally would like to see a republican female but I don't see any viable yet.

Because as a fellow white person I recognize the tremendous amount of privilege that comes with it in the country and that if I want other people to be on my playing field we need someone who isn't white to represent the country.  The demographics of our country are changing and who represents us should come with it.

I am tired of living in a rich white old dude's world.   

I recognize I'm going to have to make compromises it is unlikely I will live to see all my desires in a single candidate. 

I would have taken Clinton because then at least we have a woman.  I'd take Pete because at least then we've broken ground for LBGTQ+ people.  Obama broke ground for African Americans.

Then we went and elected Trump as a direct message to anyone who is NOT a rich white dusty old white dude.  We're going backwards.  I don't view people who are different than me as a threat.  People who are different than me bring perspective I do not have and challenge my world view.   That is desperately needed if we are ever going to progress as a country.

I liked Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttegieg for President in the last round because I thought they were both very qualified for the job.  To me their private lives have nothing to do with their qualifications for the job.  I think Pete has come a long way to Normalizing LBGTQ people as Couples and Parents of young children, and I thank him for it, but He is smart, articulate and personable.  I think he would make a fine president.

[dondub]

Dec 28, 2022 11:07:51 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 28, 2022 10:41:22 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Because as a fellow white person I recognize the tremendous amount of privilege that comes with it in the country and that if I want other people to be on my playing field we need someone who isn't white to represent the country.  The demographics of our country are changing and who represents us should come with it.

I am tired of living in a rich white old dude's world.   

I recognize I'm going to have to make compromises it is unlikely I will live to see all my desires in a single candidate. 

I would have taken Clinton because then at least we have a woman.  I'd take Pete because at least then we've broken ground for LBGTQ+ people.  Obama broke ground for African Americans.

Then we went and elected Trump as a direct message to anyone who is NOT a rich white dusty old white dude.  We're going backwards.  I don't view people who are different than me as a threat.  People who are different than me bring perspective I do not have and challenge my world view.   That is desperately needed if we are ever going to progress as a country.

Interesting so to have a group of people represented they have to be elected president? The demographics don't support your claim they may be changing but according to the 2020 census the US. is 75% white or 59% white non hispanic. Either way it is half to three quarters of the people.  I don't see people different than me as a threat but I sure as hell don't want to elect anyone to any office if they are not qualified. (I did this with Trump because I didn't want Hillary) If that means to keep electing old white dudes then so be it. 

Yet Hillary WAS qualified while Trump WASNT.

[dondub]

Dec 28, 2022 11:28:24 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Dec 28, 2022 10:41:22 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Because as a fellow white person I recognize the tremendous amount of privilege that comes with it in the country and that if I want other people to be on my playing field we need someone who isn't white to represent the country.  The demographics of our country are changing and who represents us should come with it.

I am tired of living in a rich white old dude's world.   

I recognize I'm going to have to make compromises it is unlikely I will live to see all my desires in a single candidate. 

I would have taken Clinton because then at least we have a woman.  I'd take Pete because at least then we've broken ground for LBGTQ+ people.  Obama broke ground for African Americans.

Then we went and elected Trump as a direct message to anyone who is NOT a rich white dusty old white dude.  We're going backwards.  I don't view people who are different than me as a threat.  People who are different than me bring perspective I do not have and challenge my world view.   That is desperately needed if we are ever going to progress as a country.

I liked Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttegieg for President in the last round because I thought they were both very qualified for the job.  To me their private lives have nothing to do with their qualifications for the job.  I think Pete has come a long way to Normalizing LBGTQ people as Couples and Parents of young children, and I thank him for it, but He is smart, articulate and personable.  I think he would make a fine president.

Klobuchar was my top choice. She had successes across the aisle in Minnesota and even won a majority of votes in red counties there. I believe we need that bipartisan approach to save the day and return the US to a more functional state. If that is even possible, of course.

[scgal]

Dec 28, 2022 11:27:35 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I don't see people different than me as a threat but I sure as hell don't want to elect anyone to any office if they are not qualified. (I did this with Trump because I didn't want Hillary)

trump was not qualified and never will be. Hillary would have been the best choice.

Neither one was qualified. Other than being the first lady and secretary of state which she didn't do anything impressive Hillary being a democrat was a no go. One of the reasons why I voted for Trump was for the supreme court nominations. The court was in the liberal hands far too long.

[hurley1980]

Technically Hilary was one of the most qualified candidates we have ever had!  But woman, so bad! 

Hell, I don't have a problem with white men, but why do they all have to be so old?  Old men are (on average) so out of touch as a demographic, we really don't need them running the show. 

John Mulaney said it best about his 93 year old grandma voting, something along the terms of....We don't need old people ordering for the table when they are about to get up at leave. I don't mean old people shouldn't vote, but they shouldn't be running a country when they won't be around to see the aftermath of their decisions. 

Biden is so old, he's not even a boomer!  He's the generation before. And Trump is a first year boomer. 

[billisonboard]

Dec 28, 2022 12:46:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 28, 2022 11:27:35 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

trump was not qualified and never will be. Hillary would have been the best choice.

Neither one was qualified. Other than being the first lady and secretary of state which she didn't do anything impressive Hillary being a democrat was a no go. One of the reasons why I voted for Trump was for the supreme court nominations. The court was in the liberal hands far too long.

FWIW, she was a US Senator also.

[scgal]

Dec 28, 2022 11:28:24 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Dec 28, 2022 10:41:22 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Because as a fellow white person I recognize the tremendous amount of privilege that comes with it in the country and that if I want other people to be on my playing field we need someone who isn't white to represent the country.  The demographics of our country are changing and who represents us should come with it.

I am tired of living in a rich white old dude's world.   

I recognize I'm going to have to make compromises it is unlikely I will live to see all my desires in a single candidate. 

I would have taken Clinton because then at least we have a woman.  I'd take Pete because at least then we've broken ground for LBGTQ+ people.  Obama broke ground for African Americans.

Then we went and elected Trump as a direct message to anyone who is NOT a rich white dusty old white dude.  We're going backwards.  I don't view people who are different than me as a threat.  People who are different than me bring perspective I do not have and challenge my world view.   That is desperately needed if we are ever going to progress as a country.

I liked Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttegieg for President in the last round because I thought they were both very qualified for the job.  To me their private lives have nothing to do with their qualifications for the job.  I think Pete has come a long way to Normalizing LBGTQ people as Couples and Parents of young children, and I thank him for it, but He is smart, articulate and personable.  I think he would make a fine president.

Pete being a mayor in a small area, ehhh. He certainly didn't do anything positive as transportation secretary. I guess that was the consolation prize.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Hillary being a democrat was a no go

So you vote party over country. Such a good GOP sheep. 

[scgal]

Dec 28, 2022 12:48:48 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Technically Hilary was one of the most qualified candidates we have ever had!  But woman, so bad! 

Hell, I don't have a problem with white men, but why do they all have to be so old?  Old men are (on average) so out of touch as a demographic, we really don't need them running the show. 

John Mulaney said it best about his 93 year old grandma voting, something along the terms of....We don't need old people ordering for the table when they are about to get up at leave. I don't mean old people shouldn't vote, but they shouldn't be running a country when they won't be around to see the aftermath of their decisions. 

Biden is so old, he's not even a boomer!  He's the generation before. And Trump is a first year boomer. 

What would make Hillary so qualified? I was corrected she was a senator but more qualified than the rest of the field? I do agree with you on the age part. I wish they would put a top age cap in. 

[scgal]

Dec 28, 2022 12:56:47 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Hillary being a democrat was a no go

So you vote party over country. Such a good GOP sheep. 

No not a sheep. I just don't align with a democrat agenda. I'm kinda libertarian but def not a liberal. 

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 28, 2022 13:00:41 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 28, 2022 12:56:47 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

So you vote party over country. Such a good GOP sheep. 

No not a sheep. I just don't align with a democrat agenda. I'm kinda libertarian but def not a liberal. 

How was Trump qualified to be president? Based on experience in government, she was far more qualified than he was. So, it has nothing to do with qualifications for you. 

[dondub]

Dec 28, 2022 12:59:19 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 28, 2022 12:48:48 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Technically Hilary was one of the most qualified candidates we have ever had!  But woman, so bad! 

Hell, I don't have a problem with white men, but why do they all have to be so old?  Old men are (on average) so out of touch as a demographic, we really don't need them running the show. 

John Mulaney said it best about his 93 year old grandma voting, something along the terms of....We don't need old people ordering for the table when they are about to get up at leave. I don't mean old people shouldn't vote, but they shouldn't be running a country when they won't be around to see the aftermath of their decisions. 

Biden is so old, he's not even a boomer!  He's the generation before. And Trump is a first year boomer. 

What would make Hillary so qualified? I was corrected she was a senator but more qualified than the rest of the field? I do agree with you on the age part. I wish they would put a top age cap in. 

Let’s see. Her being up close and personal to the workings of the office count for something. Her election to the Senate should be considered as adding qualifications to be sure. Her appointment to be Secretary of State alone added more qualifications than Trump had.

But….she was a woman and a Democrat. THAT is what made her unqualified isn’t it. You don’t even think Nicky Haley is qualified as a Repo woman but thought Trump was. Wasn’t it lack of support from Mason~Dixon women that killed the Equal Rights Amendmant?

And no, the scotus had not been liberal for too long. It leaned conservative, but had the proper balance. It is now out of balance for years to come and has lost a measure of support from the American people.

[tallguy]

Dec 28, 2022 12:46:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 28, 2022 11:27:35 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

trump was not qualified and never will be. Hillary would have been the best choice.

Neither one was qualified. Other than being the first lady and secretary of state which she didn't do anything impressive Hillary being a democrat was a no go. One of the reasons why I voted for Trump was for the supreme court nominations. The court was in the liberal hands far too long.

Your ignorance and bias are equally astounding.  You have already been corrected about her being a senator as well.  (How could you not have known that, by the way?)  Bill Clinton was a natural politician.  Hillary was a policy wonk.  She could not relate to people in the same way Bill could, but she was ALWAYS informed and prepared.  Getting into the details is what she enjoyed, even as First Lady.  By many accounts, when she would take meetings with experts in their fields, she would be the best-prepared person in the room.  Her intelligence and qualifications compared to Donald Trump is like comparing a Rhodes Scholar to the village idiot.  Yes, she would have been one of the best-qualified and best-prepared presidents in memory had she won.

And somebody, somewhere, will have to explain to me the desire for a conservative Supreme Court.  Given that most of what the court deals with boils down to individual rights and individual freedoms in some capacity, WHY IN THE HELL would ANYBODY want a Supreme Court who will LIMIT those rights and freedoms rather than expand them?  Unless of course you want others to not have the same rights and freedoms that you enjoy.

(Yes, that was rhetorical.  That is exactly what most social conservatives want.  To protect their own privilege and dictate their own "morality.")  

[billisonboard]

Dec 28, 2022 12:56:19 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 28, 2022 11:28:24 GMT -5 bean29 said:

I liked Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttegieg for President in the last round because I thought they were both very qualified for the job.  To me their private lives have nothing to do with their qualifications for the job.  I think Pete has come a long way to Normalizing LBGTQ people as Couples and Parents of young children, and I thank him for it, but He is smart, articulate and personable.  I think he would make a fine president.

Pete being a mayor in a small area, ehhh. He certainly didn't do anything positive as transportation secretary. I guess that was the consolation prize.

First off, he is currently the Secretary of Transportation so any accomplishments are ongoing. The job isn't one that offers a lot of headline grabbing opportunities. So i went looking. Here is one, a bit dated but something: Secretary Pete’s first year: Here’s how he rates. A good read to be informed.