The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[swamp]

Nov 14, 2024 12:12:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 14, 2024 10:25:53 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Aside from being a personal sleaze, Matt Gaetz may be the least qualified of any attorney general we've had.  He was sworn into the bar in 2008.  In 2010 he ran for  a seat in the Florida state legislature and won. He's been in politics ever since.

A little more than two years in the practice of law. 

Remind me how much law practice does AOC have?

She’s not the nominee for the AG, you pop tart. 

[tallguy]

Nov 14, 2024 19:25:53 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 14, 2024 19:06:15 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

So?  They still graduated which means they met all the skills and knowledge requirements to obtain their MD. The ones that didn't do that didn't graduate.   Plus, even someone from the bottom of the class in medical school was a pretty smart cookie to have gotten in there to begin with.

A polished turd is still a turd. 

Of all the things I could imagine either requiring or benefitting from being polished, that is one that has never occurred to me.  Is that a Southern or rural thing?  One of those things folks do down on the farm?     

[Pink Cashmere]

Nov 14, 2024 19:55:13 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Nov 14, 2024 19:25:53 GMT -5 scgal said:

A polished turd is still a turd. 

Of all the things I could imagine either requiring or benefitting from being polished, that is one that has never occurred to me.  Is that a Southern or rural thing?  One of those things folks do down on the farm?     

It is not a southern thing. I don’t have the most refined manners, and even though I do cuss more than is ladylike, that’s not something even I would say. And I would cringe IRL if somebody said it to me. In all my Southern life, I’ve never heard anyone talk about polishing a turd. 

[Opti]

Nov 14, 2024 19:25:12 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 14, 2024 19:14:32 GMT -5 Opti said:

What hypocrisy? Chris Christie wanted to be the AG in Trump's first term. He was NJ's AG in the past and well versed in prosecuting cases and understanding the court system. An AG should be a seasoned prosecutor.

He might be on Trumps hit list. 

He probably is. The point was that Christie had experience an AG should have. Gaetz does not.

[desertsue]

Nov 14, 2024 19:55:13 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Nov 14, 2024 19:25:53 GMT -5 scgal said:

A polished turd is still a turd. 

Of all the things I could imagine either requiring or benefitting from being polished, that is one that has never occurred to me.

That's the point.

[Opti]

Nov 14, 2024 8:22:48 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 14, 2024 7:09:50 GMT -5 Opti said:

Read an article last night about some Arab Americans in Dearborn MI. They voted for Trump because they were mad at Harris. They are regretting their choice according to the article. One of the comments in the article was something like all Harris had to do was stop the wars in Gaza and Lebanon. It amazes me that so many Americans seem to forget that other countries are in charge and while we can suggest to Israel what we'd prefer they have a strong tendency to do whatever they want. We have even less influence on Hamas and Lebanon.

I read that article. One guy said ‘it’s clear as day that he’s playing us….. I think he’s going to target us, he’s going to target our families and it’s going to hurt.’

Newsweek article.

Who could have lived through Trump’s anti Muslim ban and his false promises on the Wall, a middle class tax break and replacing the ACA with a cheap and beautiful healthcare plan and still vote for the guy this time around, just to send the Dems a message?

In this case I think people who thought they could safely do a protest vote, and Harris would still win their state. It was not even a good year to do a protest vote in NJ if you preferred Harris over Trump. A smarter protest vote would have been Jill Stein versus someone who always votes against what you want.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Nov 14, 2024 19:40:11 GMT -5 swamp said:

Nov 14, 2024 12:12:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Remind me how much law practice does AOC have?

She’s not the nominee for the AG, you pop tart. 

I'm stealing this.

[grumpyhermit]

Nov 15, 2024 7:03:06 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 14, 2024 8:22:48 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I read that article. One guy said ‘it’s clear as day that he’s playing us….. I think he’s going to target us, he’s going to target our families and it’s going to hurt.’

Newsweek article.

Who could have lived through Trump’s anti Muslim ban and his false promises on the Wall, a middle class tax break and replacing the ACA with a cheap and beautiful healthcare plan and still vote for the guy this time around, just to send the Dems a message?

In this case I think people who thought they could safely do a protest vote, and Harris would still win their state. It was not even a good year to do a protest vote in NJ if you preferred Harris over Trump. A smarter protest vote would have been Jill Stein versus someone who always votes against what you want.

MI was NOT a safe state to protest vote in, and they knew that. That was the whole point. They were quite vocal about punishing Harris, either by voting Stein, or possibly Trump.

I live in a solidly blue state, and I did consider it for a time (though I wasn't going to be able to bring myself to vote for Stein, who seems like an idiot griffter), and while it did remain blue, it did shift rightward. I ultimately voted for Harris.

[NancysSummerSip]

Nov 15, 2024 11:53:44 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Nov 14, 2024 19:40:11 GMT -5 swamp said:

She’s not the nominee for the AG, you pop tart. 

I'm stealing this.

Same, but I will share.

[thyme4change]

Nov 14, 2024 12:20:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 14, 2024 12:15:01 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Why? Is she under consideration to be the Attorney General if Gaetz is not confirmed?

The post made is seem like he needed to be a lawyer to be a congressman. There are several congressmen that is not qualified for the position but yet they were voted it. I think there are better picks for an attorney general than Gaetz. He's about in the same line as Garland he will do what he is told. 

It is super clear that he was talking about the Attorney General position. Matt Gaetz is qualified to be a congressman- he has like 15 years experience.

As far as him being “about the same as Garland”, I disagree, Garland clerked for 2 years, and then did 8 years in private practice, and then did 3 years as a DA. Went back to private practice and then became a judge for 25 years. He knows the legal system inside and out. That is a different system than Congress.

As someone with 30 years of varied experience in the corporate finance field, I don’t think a production supervisor who sold stocks for a couple years two decades ago is “about the same” as me in my field. And I am not “about the same” as they are in manufacturing. I suspect you wouldn’t be too pleased if you were deemed equal to someone with very little experience in your field - and that feeling is valid!!

[scgal]

Nov 15, 2024 12:34:36 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Nov 14, 2024 12:20:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

The post made is seem like he needed to be a lawyer to be a congressman. There are several congressmen that is not qualified for the position but yet they were voted it. I think there are better picks for an attorney general than Gaetz. He's about in the same line as Garland he will do what he is told. 

It is super clear that he was talking about the Attorney General position. Matt Gaetz is qualified to be a congressman- he has like 15 years experience.

As far as him being “about the same as Garland”, I disagree, Garland clerked for 2 years, and then did 8 years in private practice, and then did 3 years as a DA. Went back to private practice and then became a judge for 25 years. He knows the legal system inside and out. That is a different system than Congress.

As someone with 30 years of varied experience in the corporate finance field, I don’t think a production supervisor who sold stocks for a couple years two decades ago is “about the same” as me in my field. And I am not “about the same” as they are in manufacturing. I suspect you wouldn’t be too pleased if you were deemed equal to someone with very little experience in your field - and that feeling is valid!!

Well to clear it up Gaetz is going to be a republican lap dog and Garland is a democrat lap dog. So about the same

[busymom]

Nov 15, 2024 12:54:52 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 15, 2024 12:34:36 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

It is super clear that he was talking about the Attorney General position. Matt Gaetz is qualified to be a congressman- he has like 15 years experience.

As far as him being “about the same as Garland”, I disagree, Garland clerked for 2 years, and then did 8 years in private practice, and then did 3 years as a DA. Went back to private practice and then became a judge for 25 years. He knows the legal system inside and out. That is a different system than Congress.

As someone with 30 years of varied experience in the corporate finance field, I don’t think a production supervisor who sold stocks for a couple years two decades ago is “about the same” as me in my field. And I am not “about the same” as they are in manufacturing. I suspect you wouldn’t be too pleased if you were deemed equal to someone with very little experience in your field - and that feeling is valid!!

Well to clear it up Gaetz is going to be a republican lap dog and Garland is a democrat lap dog. So about the same

      Not even close.  Garland has years of experience in court.  Gaetz hasn't even tried a case.  So what's an appropriate title for Gaetz:  newbie, rookie, greenhorn, probie?  Someone that green to how courts operate is NOT someone you want in charge.

[pulmonarymd]

None of you understand. They do not care, nor do they want competence. They want craven individuals who will do what they and Trump want, consequences and the constitution be damned

[billisonboard]

Nov 15, 2024 13:27:30 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

None of you understand. They do not care, nor do they want competence. They want craven individuals who will do what they and Trump want, consequences and the constitution be damned

I do think I have an understanding.

[dondubble]

Nov 15, 2024 13:27:30 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

None of you understand. They do not care, nor do they want competence. They want craven individuals who will do what they and Trump want, consequences and the constitution be damned

As djadvocate has said numerous times…they are an anti-government insurgency that wants to drown it in a bathtub ala’ Grover Norquist.

[thyme4change]

Nov 15, 2024 12:54:52 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 15, 2024 12:34:36 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

It is super clear that he was talking about the Attorney General position. Matt Gaetz is qualified to be a congressman- he has like 15 years experience.

As far as him being “about the same as Garland”, I disagree, Garland clerked for 2 years, and then did 8 years in private practice, and then did 3 years as a DA. Went back to private practice and then became a judge for 25 years. He knows the legal system inside and out. That is a different system than Congress.

As someone with 30 years of varied experience in the corporate finance field, I don’t think a production supervisor who sold stocks for a couple years two decades ago is “about the same” as me in my field. And I am not “about the same” as they are in manufacturing. I suspect you wouldn’t be too pleased if you were deemed equal to someone with very little experience in your field - and that feeling is valid!!

Well to clear it up Gaetz is going to be a republican lap dog and Garland is a democrat lap dog. So about the same

Let’s suppose that is true.

One of them knows the system in and out and knows how to work legally within the system and can keep everything visible - even if just happens to agree with whatever one party’s leadership is working to.

The other doesn’t know the system but is hell bent on doing the boss’s bidding no matter what. If he can figure out a way to do it artfully or legally, what do you think he will do?

[billisonboard]

We are talking years of indoctrination, not experience.

[scgal]

Nov 15, 2024 16:31:00 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Nov 15, 2024 12:54:52 GMT -5 scgal said:

Well to clear it up Gaetz is going to be a republican lap dog and Garland is a democrat lap dog. So about the same

Let’s suppose that is true.

One of them knows the system in and out and knows how to work legally within the system and can keep everything visible - even if just happens to agree with whatever one party’s leadership is working to.

The other doesn’t know the system but is hell bent on doing the boss’s bidding no matter what. If he can figure out a way to do it artfully or legally, what do you think he will do?

One knows the system is still a lap dog will still do their bosses bidding which doesn't mean it has to be legal. The other don't know the system and now will have legalities tuned to his needs. Same type of dog

[thyme4change]

Nov 15, 2024 16:50:47 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 15, 2024 16:31:00 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Let’s suppose that is true.

One of them knows the system in and out and knows how to work legally within the system and can keep everything visible - even if just happens to agree with whatever one party’s leadership is working to.

The other doesn’t know the system but is hell bent on doing the boss’s bidding no matter what. If he can figure out a way to do it artfully or legally, what do you think he will do?

One knows the system is still a lap dog will still do their bosses bidding which doesn't mean it has to be legal. The other don't know the system and now will have legalities tuned to his needs. Same type of dog

What did Garland do that wasn’t legal?

[Opti]

Nov 15, 2024 12:54:52 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 15, 2024 12:34:36 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

It is super clear that he was talking about the Attorney General position. Matt Gaetz is qualified to be a congressman- he has like 15 years experience.

As far as him being “about the same as Garland”, I disagree, Garland clerked for 2 years, and then did 8 years in private practice, and then did 3 years as a DA. Went back to private practice and then became a judge for 25 years. He knows the legal system inside and out. That is a different system than Congress.

As someone with 30 years of varied experience in the corporate finance field, I don’t think a production supervisor who sold stocks for a couple years two decades ago is “about the same” as me in my field. And I am not “about the same” as they are in manufacturing. I suspect you wouldn’t be too pleased if you were deemed equal to someone with very little experience in your field - and that feeling is valid!!

Well to clear it up Gaetz is going to be a republican lap dog and Garland is a democrat lap dog. So about the same

You seem to like to assume Democrats act as badly as the GOP does now. Not true. Perhaps if Gaetz is willing to act as sketchy as Guiliani did for Trump perhaps Gaetz can be disbarred too.

I doubt Garland was a lapdog. It does seem like there are lots of people willing to be a troll for Trump and are ignoring what's happened to others like Michael Cohen, Guiliani etc. 

[Opti]

Nov 15, 2024 12:03:21 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

Nov 15, 2024 7:03:06 GMT -5 Opti said:

In this case I think people who thought they could safely do a protest vote, and Harris would still win their state. It was not even a good year to do a protest vote in NJ if you preferred Harris over Trump. A smarter protest vote would have been Jill Stein versus someone who always votes against what you want.

MI was NOT a safe state to protest vote in, and they knew that. That was the whole point. They were quite vocal about punishing Harris, either by voting Stein, or possibly Trump.

I live in a solidly blue state, and I did consider it for a time (though I wasn't going to be able to bring myself to vote for Stein, who seems like an idiot griffter), and while it did remain blue, it did shift rightward. I ultimately voted for Harris.

I would understand Stein. I guess they have more of a death wish than sense. 

[scgal]

Nov 15, 2024 17:55:42 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Nov 15, 2024 16:50:47 GMT -5 scgal said:

One knows the system is still a lap dog will still do their bosses bidding which doesn't mean it has to be legal. The other don't know the system and now will have legalities tuned to his needs. Same type of dog

What did Garland do that wasn’t legal?

I don't know if he did or didn't. I said he will be their lapdog and it doesn't mean it HAS to be legal. I would take a sketchy GOP over an maybe sketchy democrat anyday.

[Opti]

Nov 16, 2024 8:57:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 15, 2024 17:55:42 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

What did Garland do that wasn’t legal?

I don't know if he did or didn't. I said he will be their lapdog and it doesn't mean it HAS to be legal. I would take a sketchy GOP over an maybe sketchy democrat anyday.

And I would prefer a non-sketchy Dem or independent over a known sketchy GOPer.

[moon/Laura]

Nov 16, 2024 8:57:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 15, 2024 17:55:42 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

What did Garland do that wasn’t legal?

I don't know if he did or didn't. I said he will be their lapdog and it doesn't mean it HAS to be legal. I would take a sketchy GOP over an maybe sketchy democrat anyday.

And this is why our country is fucked. You prefer a known criminal simply because of party affiliation. How fucking moronic. There aren't enough bad things I can wish upon all of you.

[scgal]

Nov 16, 2024 12:40:08 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Nov 16, 2024 8:57:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't know if he did or didn't. I said he will be their lapdog and it doesn't mean it HAS to be legal. I would take a sketchy GOP over an maybe sketchy democrat anyday.

And this is why our country is fucked. You prefer a known criminal simply because of party affiliation. How fucking moronic. There aren't enough bad things I can wish upon all of you.

No I wouldn't but I align with republican and nowhere near democrat ideals. So in my eyes there's not a good democrat around. Someday I hope I can be more of center line republican. For that to happen all woke crap needs to stop, police have to have the support they need. Punish bad cops not the whole force, renewable energy needs to be kept to a minimum no subsidies for the ev crap leave that to the rich folks, force people to be more independent on themselves, literally end immigration for about a year and a half, only let people in who can actually benefit the United States. This whole family asylum crap not our problem go fix your own country.

[happyhoix]

Nov 17, 2024 7:29:27 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 16, 2024 12:40:08 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

And this is why our country is fucked. You prefer a known criminal simply because of party affiliation. How fucking moronic. There aren't enough bad things I can wish upon all of you.

No I wouldn't but I align with republican and nowhere near democrat ideals. So in my eyes there's not a good democrat around. Someday I hope I can be more of center line republican. For that to happen all woke crap needs to stop, police have to have the support they need. Punish bad cops not the whole force, renewable energy needs to be kept to a minimum no subsidies for the ev crap leave that to the rich folks, force people to be more independent on themselves, literally end immigration for about a year and a half, only let people in who can actually benefit the United States. This whole family asylum crap not our problem go fix your own country.

You are actually aligning with populist ideas right now. Trump and his admin are not Republican and are not motivated by Republican ideals, like respect for the military and self sacrifice for the country. Trump actually spent most of his life as a democrat, and only switched to being Republican when he decided to run for president, because he thought it would be easier for him to win as a Republican, and he was right. 

He certainly knows exactly what to say to get people like you to vote for him. Whether or not he will do what he says is very much up in the air, though. Remember in 2016 and he based his campaign on building that big beautiful wall (and having Mexico pay for it) - that never happened, did it? Why didn’t he run for his second term on the same slogan? Could it be that he didn’t want people pointing out how poorly he did building that wall in his first term? This time, he’s all about rounding up the immigrants and shipping them back home. The cost to do that has been estimated at 88 billion dollars, and Trump says money doesn’t matter, he’ll get it done. I suspect there will be a few dramatic air shipments of immigrants out, just like there were a few miles of the wall built, and then Trump will stop talking about the issue completely, and nothing more will get done, but he will announce the whole problem is ‘fixed.’  

[chiver78]

Nov 17, 2024 7:29:27 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 16, 2024 12:40:08 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

And this is why our country is fucked. You prefer a known criminal simply because of party affiliation. How fucking moronic. There aren't enough bad things I can wish upon all of you.

No I wouldn't but I align with republican and nowhere near democrat ideals. So in my eyes there's not a good democrat around. Someday I hope I can be more of center line republican. For that to happen all woke crap needs to stop, police have to have the support they need. Punish bad cops not the whole force, renewable energy needs to be kept to a minimum no subsidies for the ev crap leave that to the rich folks, force people to be more independent on themselves, literally end immigration for about a year and a half, only let people in who can actually benefit the United States. This whole family asylum crap not our problem go fix your own country.

you literally just said exactly that you would. you can't even be consistent two posts in a row. 🙄

[scgal]

Nov 17, 2024 12:09:02 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Nov 17, 2024 7:29:27 GMT -5 scgal said:

No I wouldn't but I align with republican and nowhere near democrat ideals. So in my eyes there's not a good democrat around. Someday I hope I can be more of center line republican. For that to happen all woke crap needs to stop, police have to have the support they need. Punish bad cops not the whole force, renewable energy needs to be kept to a minimum no subsidies for the ev crap leave that to the rich folks, force people to be more independent on themselves, literally end immigration for about a year and a half, only let people in who can actually benefit the United States. This whole family asylum crap not our problem go fix your own country.

you literally just said exactly that you would. you can't even be consistent two posts in a row. 🙄

No please reread it. I said I would rather vote for a sketchy gop over a possible sketchy democrat any day. I said nothing about criminal behavior. This is why democrats have is wrong all the time you would rather infer what someone said to fit your weird agendas.

[pulmonarymd]

Weird agenda. You mean like clean air, clean water, feeding hungry children, workplace safety, progressive tax rates, improving health care access, and increasing the minimum wage. What a horrible agenda!

[tallguy]

Nov 17, 2024 12:16:06 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 17, 2024 12:09:02 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

you literally just said exactly that you would. you can't even be consistent two posts in a row. 🙄

No please reread it. I said I would rather vote for a sketchy gop over a possible sketchy democrat any day. I said nothing about criminal behavior. This is why democrats have is wrong all the time you would rather infer what someone said to fit your weird agendas.

What you are apparently saying is that you will always support someone you know to be incompetent and corrupt over someone you assume to be incompetent and corrupt even with no evidence, simply because of the letter after their name.