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Post by tallguy on Sept 4, 2024 17:59:22 GMT -5
Words don’t work like that. You can’t unilaterally change the definition. well, you can. you just can't expect anyone to accept it. moreover, it is really disrespectful of others to do this. part of conversing is using accepted meaning for terms. inverting or subverting the meaning of terms is something that propagandists, the inscrutable, and gaslighters do. it is intentionally obtuse. If we were attempting to list Republican accomplishments of the last several decades, wouldn't half of those be the successful appropriation and redefining of different words? What else have they had?
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Post by dondubble on Sept 4, 2024 18:03:44 GMT -5
What had Trump accomplished as an elected official prior to 2016? And I guess even repo-con women will denigrate Harris even though she had successful accomplishments as a prosecutor and AG of a very large state. Of course she IS Black. She is a total failure. Trumps accomplishments just Google it No, she isn’t. And Trump had no political accomplishments prior to 2016. Although I suspect he paid off a few elected officials along the way.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 4, 2024 18:10:18 GMT -5
She is a total failure. Trumps accomplishments just Google it No, she isn’t. And Trump had no political accomplishments prior to 2016. Although I suspect he paid off a few elected officials along the way. this is an excellent point. i have always considered VP's to be the best qualified presidents, because they "understudy" for 4-8 years.
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Post by Opti on Sept 4, 2024 19:32:53 GMT -5
well, you can. you just can't expect anyone to accept it. moreover, it is really disrespectful of others to do this. part of conversing is using accepted meaning for terms. inverting or subverting the meaning of terms is something that propagandists, the inscrutable, and gaslighters do. it is intentionally obtuse. If we were attempting to list Republican accomplishments of the last several decades, wouldn't half of those be the successful appropriation and redefining of different words? What else have they had? I wouldn't call them accomplishments, but repealing Roe v Wade, ruining the Supreme Court simply to repeal Roe v Wade, and making hypocrisy a way of life.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 4, 2024 19:36:32 GMT -5
No, she isn’t. And Trump had no political accomplishments prior to 2016. Although I suspect he paid off a few elected officials along the way. this is an excellent point. i have always considered VP's to be the best qualified presidents, because they "understudy" for 4-8 years. Particularly with Joe Biden, who not only had decades of experience already but was charged by Obama with a lot of actual and consequential responsibilities as VP.
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Post by Opti on Sept 4, 2024 19:37:21 GMT -5
It's a coup because everyone was banking on being able to tout Trump as being a competent "young" macho man candidate compared to Biden. Against Harris it's apparent for all but the most deluded to see that in reality he's your demented conspiracy driven Uncle that your parents force you to invite to Thanksgiving every year. The only explanation is they did it on purpose so Trump wouldn't be able to ride into the oval office on a cloud of popular votes. It's a coup because now he may actually have to compete. He can't run on old age, he can't trot out a list of women her husband has sexually harassed. He's pissing people off this time calling her race and citizenship into question so it's not working like it did with Obama. He may actually have to ... gasp! Have a platform! That's not fair! He really don't have to have one against Harris. The republicans are going to keep pushing she done nothing while in the Senate done nothing as a VP eventually it will get real nasty around the end of October. So they are going to continue to lie about her accomplishments and you expect it will work?
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 4, 2024 20:10:01 GMT -5
Why do you think it was a coup? We have VPs for a reason. They step in when the president is incapacitated, sometimes temporarily (like when he’s undergoing surgery) and sometimes permanently (like when he’s assassinated). When Biden participated in the debate it was clear he was having issues- pretty much everyone admitted that. So the VP stepped in. True, no one did that during an election cycle before but then we never had such an old candidate before. Most importantly, Biden has appeared in public with Harris advocating for her campaign. I don’t think he would do that if this was a coup. Trump keeps calling it a coup because he wants to run against Biden, not Harris, but we have to think of the good of the country, not just what Trump wants. I'm about 75% certain that Trump will beat Harris. Under Biden it was 100%.. I call it a coup because money was already spent against Biden. Good of the country I wouldn't be a democrat Umm, I don’t think you know what a coup is. If you’re mad thinking Biden and Harris conspired to have Trump spent a lot of time and money coming up with a campaign against Biden and then they snuck Harris in just to make Trump spend more money on a new strategy - I think that would more accurately be called a scam, not a coup. I don’t understand your conviction that all dems are horrible. “Turds” I think you call them. That makes as much sense as hating every Italian or every Korean. If you came to where I live, in fact, you would swear that the democrats around here are good moderate republicans (all the people who call themselves republican have moved far to the right of the political spectrum - but if you went back sixty years, almost all these same far right people would have been yellow dog democrats). In fact I think you and I probably agree on a lot of things, if you could get past the fact that I’m an independent voter planning to vote Harris.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 4, 2024 21:59:54 GMT -5
this is an excellent point. i have always considered VP's to be the best qualified presidents, because they "understudy" for 4-8 years. Particularly with Joe Biden, who not only had decades of experience already but was charged by Obama with a lot of actual and consequential responsibilities as VP. ....and therefore knew exactly how much leash to give Harris....
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 4, 2024 22:02:40 GMT -5
I'm about 75% certain that Trump will beat Harris. Under Biden it was 100%.. I call it a coup because money was already spent against Biden. Good of the country I wouldn't be a democrat Umm, I don’t think you know what a coup is. If you’re mad thinking Biden and Harris conspired to have Trump spent a lot of time and money coming up with a campaign against Biden and then they snuck Harris in just to make Trump spend more money on a new strategy - I think that would more accurately be called a scam, not a coup. again, Trump used this word. it doesn't fit, but it dilutes the power of the word COUP, which rightfully belongs to his actions (and those of right wing militia groups) on January 6th. repeating this word dilutes it even further. but we are not having it. neither is Jack Smith.
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 5, 2024 5:33:27 GMT -5
What had Trump accomplished as an elected official prior to 2016? And I guess even repo-con women will denigrate Harris even though she had successful accomplishments as a prosecutor and AG of a very large state. Of course she IS Black. She is a total failure. Trumps accomplishments just Google it Trump donated to her campaign for Attorney General.....twice. Google it. Of course, he donated to Hillary and Biden too. Is that the accomplishment you are referring to? Talking out of both sides of his mouth?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 5, 2024 6:43:31 GMT -5
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Marjorie Taylor Greene Calls Vance UnhingedWASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Revealing a major schism within the Republican Party, on Thursday Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene lambasted Sen. JD Vance, calling the Ohio senator “totally unhinged.” “I have remained silent on this issue, but I can do so no longer,” the congresswoman said. “I have been listening to the things Senator Vance says on the campaign trail, and they are the ravings of a lunatic.” Greene warned that the party “will go down to certain defeat” if Vance remains on the ticket, and proposed herself as a possible replacement. “If asked to serve I will,” she said, adding that she would restore “much-needed gravitas to the Republican ticket.” Greene said that she did not know what was causing Vance’s bizarre utterances, but observed that they were consistent with long-range laser burns to the brain. Marjorie Taylor Greene Calls Vance Unhinged
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 5, 2024 6:48:46 GMT -5
She is a total failure. Trumps accomplishments just Google it Trump donated to her campaign for Attorney General.....twice. Google it. Of course, he donated to Hillary and Biden too. Is that the accomplishment you are referring to? Talking out of both sides of his mouth? Alternative facts.
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Post by Opti on Sept 5, 2024 9:10:36 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anti-lgbtq-trolls-will-soon-host-a-sexist-racist-roast-of-kamala-harris-at-state-college/ar-AA1q0g2L?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=5130092841c14d07b6513a47035e9c2c&ei=26Anti-LGBTQ+ trolls will soon host a “sexist & racist” roast of Kamala Harris at state college Story by Greg Owen • 17h • 2 min read Self-loathing “ex-gay” conservative Milo Yiannopoulos, white supremacist Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnis and a cohort of fellow racist and antisemitic MAGA provocateurs are polishing their pitchforks for a scheduled “roast” of Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris, scheduled for September 18 at the University of South Carolina (USC).
Yiannopoulos and McInnis will serve as “roast masters,” Ms. Harris will not be in attendance, and nearly 24,000 USC students, faculty and alumnae are calling for its cancellation.
The evening event, scheduled in the ballroom at Russell House on the USC campus, is sponsored by a student chapter of Uncensored America, a group claiming to be a nonpartisan organization fighting for freedom of speech.I will not quote their tie to put Harris in this farce of "free" speech. It's in the article. I'm glad most straight people aren't this sick, but the ones that are seem to be getting news coverage recently. I hope this makes Trump/Vance lose votes instead of bring out the creep vote.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2024 11:56:05 GMT -5
Why do you think it was a coup? We have VPs for a reason. They step in when the president is incapacitated, sometimes temporarily (like when he’s undergoing surgery) and sometimes permanently (like when he’s assassinated). When Biden participated in the debate it was clear he was having issues- pretty much everyone admitted that. So the VP stepped in. True, no one did that during an election cycle before but then we never had such an old candidate before. Most importantly, Biden has appeared in public with Harris advocating for her campaign. I don’t think he would do that if this was a coup. Trump keeps calling it a coup because he wants to run against Biden, not Harris, but we have to think of the good of the country, not just what Trump wants. I'm about 75% certain that Trump will beat Harris. why? he has not won anything since 2016, other than his absolute immunity case. he is something like 1:70. if he can find a way to lose, he will. having said that, i would not give the same odds for Harris winning. but if the election were held today, she would likely win.
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Post by Opti on Sept 5, 2024 12:10:31 GMT -5
This is NewsMax showing their current marketing campaign against Harris. They are OK with Trump changing the rules about certifying the vote on January 6th. But its a big deal to them the VP is running as President after the DNC convention? Have they forgotten what a DNC convention could be? Its not like it was a huge surprise when it was being held. And it's not even someone they shouldn't have already known about.
I can't take them serious on the OMG its a short time. Biden/Harris to Harris/Walz means one of those people should have been known to you for over 4 years. I have not watched it all. Less than one minute in, I got the gist.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2024 12:53:42 GMT -5
don't care about NewsMax. sorry, not sorry. no fucks to give, here.
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Post by Opti on Sept 5, 2024 13:04:50 GMT -5
I usually avoid them. Fox pundits are more than enough for me. I almost recommended to watch no further than 40 seconds in. Isn't weird though that they research the oddest least important things, just to hold up the BS of the moment?
And the Day 1 nonsense. Silly at best. I know the 100-day thing is to make people who elected you happy and believe in the progress for your term. But Day 1? Nah. I care about what is done your entire term.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2024 13:09:57 GMT -5
this has been a hallmark of GOP politics for quite some time. they don't campaign substantively. notably, the GOP had no platform, the last time Trump ran. why? because it would have looked like Project 1861. they know that what they are dishing up the American public doesn't want.
so, given that, what CAN they talk about? the weather? no. the weather sucks. and they can't blame it on Biden. so they end up picking up really odd stuff. yes, Kamala laughs. heartily. i like that about her. she is the first presidential candidate to laugh heartily in public in a long damn time. and i think it is great.
what else do they have? she died her skin? Tim Walz said three wrong words a couple of decades ago?
that it?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2024 13:18:03 GMT -5
so, the exit of RFKj from the race seems to have cost Kamala about 0.5-1% in the polls. this was predicted by Nate Silver, who put the number at 0.4%. it is showing up in some states more than others.
on the flip side, KH continues to gain ground in her personal approval. she is now VERY close to "favorable". i can't remember the last presidential candidate that had a favorable rating. Trump is -10. Vance is -20. Walz is +10.
i think the debate is crucial for a couple of reasons. the GOP has been making the claim that she can't function without a t-prompter. that is a legit criticism IN A WAY. it speaks to her ability to speak on subjects extemporaneously. but i think she is not only capable of it, i think she is pretty good at it. as long as her nerves or something else doesn't get to her.
the second reason is that Trump says that he is going to crush her. this is pretty bad political strategy, imo. if it is CLOSE, or if the majority think that Harris won, it will be seen as a defeat for Trump. if he were to say "debating is not the thing i do best" OR if his team were out there lowering expectations, it would be MUCH better for him.
so, he is shoving a lot of money out on the table in this one. if he wins, he wins big. if he loses, he loses big. and because of how he handled this, he is playing the long odds. not too smart for a former casino owner.
edit: he is hedging his bets a bit by saying that ABC sucks and it won't be fair for him, but i am not sure that works with all the other rhetoric about him clobbering her. we'll see.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2024 13:18:57 GMT -5
oh....Biden was below Trump when he was running in approval (which is different that favorability). i think he still is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2024 13:42:41 GMT -5
incidentally, there are several major candidates that i can think of whose laugh should have raised eyebrows.
first of all, there is Romney- whose laugh was so measured and mirthless that it always seemed like he was wearing it like a lapel flag.
next, we have Vance, who sounds as if someone pulled his cord when he laughs. not only mirthless, but often inappropriate.
and then there is Trump, who does not appear to have a sense of humor. as he put it "I never joke".
so, yeah. i like "laughing Kamala". sorry, but i do.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 5, 2024 15:34:54 GMT -5
She is a total failure. Trumps accomplishments just Google it Trump donated to her campaign for Attorney General.....twice. Google it. Of course, he donated to Hillary and Biden too. Is that the accomplishment you are referring to? Talking out of both sides of his mouth? Most businesses and rich folk do donate to both parties. Granted there are some who are staunchly principled - but for the most part, they just suck up to both sides. Moral of the story - rich people always win. Both parties do whatever they want.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 5, 2024 15:44:46 GMT -5
yes, Kamala laughs. heartily. i like that about her. she is the first presidential candidate to laugh heartily in public in a long damn time. and i think it is great. ? My first reaction to this was that everyone laughs - but then it occurred to me, I have never seen Trump laugh - not even a little chuckle. Ever. And then I tried to remember his smile, and the only thing I can recall is that really fake, tight lipped, mouth clamped shut - no teeth smile. Talk about sad. What a miserable way to go through life.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Sept 5, 2024 15:57:20 GMT -5
yes, Kamala laughs. heartily. i like that about her. she is the first presidential candidate to laugh heartily in public in a long damn time. and i think it is great. ? My first reaction to this was that everyone laughs - but then it occurred to me, I have never seen Trump laugh - not even a little chuckle. Ever. And then I tried to remember his smile, and the only thing I can recall is that really fake, tight lipped, mouth clamped shut - no teeth smile. Talk about sad. What a miserable way to go through life. Usually with the thumbs up. Not laughing is weird. Give me happy people any day. These days these guys would be called liberal RINOs by the MAGA cult. (Well, Cronkite was a liberal)
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 5, 2024 15:58:56 GMT -5
Three times recently Trump has admitted he lost the 2020 election ‘by a whisker.’ Now some of his old far right buddies are saying they will lead a campaign to keep him from being elected. Nick Fuentes is one of them. www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/05/trump-admits-lost-2020-enrages-supporters/75086053007/I realize he needs to move towards the more moderate end of the scale to try to lure back some of the suburban moms, but he’s pissed off the evangelicals and the skin heads and he can’t afford for them to sit at home and sulk. Imagine being one of the J6 convicts sitting in jail because you believed Trump was being cheated out of a second term, and suddenly Trump is making cute comments about how he actually lost. 😡
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Post by Opti on Sept 5, 2024 16:55:09 GMT -5
incidentally, there are several major candidates that i can think of whose laugh should have raised eyebrows. first of all, there is Romney- whose laugh was so measured and mirthless that it always seemed like he was wearing it like a lapel flag. next, we have Vance, who sounds as if someone pulled his cord when he laughs. not only mirthless, but often inappropriate. and then there is Trump, who does not appear to have a sense of humor. as he put it "I never joke". so, yeah. i like "laughing Kamala". sorry, but i do. I found a video of Vance being asked about why people should want to have a beer with him. His laugh is weird. Surprised he did not have an answer for that right away.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Sept 5, 2024 19:07:27 GMT -5
You know, I can give people having a bad day or two...you know...ask about IVF and get a lecture about windmills and illegal immigrants for an answer kind of thing, but it happens a LOT with Trump now. Something is up with that guy (and I said the same thing about Biden). I don't know if oped is still hanging out on these boards, but I copied this from her Facebook page.
The question to Trump was, what specific legislation would you support to address the high cost of childcare. The transcript of Trump's answer:
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 5, 2024 19:13:38 GMT -5
He has clearly gotten worse. Funny how republicans who couldn’t stop talking about Biden and his mental decline, are curiously silent about Trump’s cognitive abilities. Just another example how it is ok if you are Republican
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 5, 2024 20:04:11 GMT -5
Well, it’s called ‘weaving’ and all his English Professor friends claim he does it better than anyone else - ever!!
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Post by Opti on Sept 5, 2024 20:59:59 GMT -5
Well, it’s called ‘weaving’ and all his English Professor friends claim he does it better than anyone else - ever!! 🙄 He has so many imaginary people in his head now, it's a wonder he can talk at all. English professor friends...
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