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Post by tbop77 on Aug 15, 2023 6:11:52 GMT -5
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is refusing to concede in his fight over the Republican Party's direction, pushing for a Reagan-esque foreign policy and against President Donald Trump's more isolationist approach. McConnell told Politico that he views this fight over the GOP's future as the most important thing happening right now that he may still be able to influence. "There are those who are trying to redefine what a Republican is — I'm not in that group," McConnell told Politico's Jonathan Martin. "And so this is, I think, an important point for the futuparty's futured given my place in my career at this point, this is the most important thing going on that I might be able to have some impact on." www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-says-fighting-trump-s-influence-over-gop-foreign-policy-is-the-most-important-thing-he-s-doing-now/ar-AA1fgpEN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=02964e6b1b38429f839962ad96d46a95&ei=62Here's my message to Mitch: Sir, you are a bigger idiot than I gave you credit for in the past. Do you remember a couple weeks ago at the political picnic where the crowds were chanting for you to retire? You are done! You had your chance to get rid of Trump. I believe from your "My only goal is to make Obama a one term president" to knowing what Trump was all about and letting him get away with it, is your legacy. If you are stupid enough to think there is any republican party left, good luck! |
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 17, 2023 17:21:01 GMT -5
Apparently it doesn't have to go to the Supreme Court. Who Enforces Section 3?
“Section Three’s disqualification rule may and must be followed — applied, honored, obeyed, enforced, carried out — by anyone whose job it is to figure out whether someone is legally qualified to office,” Baude and Paulsen state.
Even though Section 3 is “self-executing” (immediately effective), someone must actually enforce it. People with the power and duty to enforce Section 3 are those with legal authority under relevant state or federal law to decide whether an individual is eligible for office.
Those people may include: state election officials, state executive and administrative officials, state or local election boards, secretaries of state, state governors and legislatures, both houses of Congress, the president and subordinate officers of the executive branch, state and federal judges, and electors for the offices of president and vice president.
Link The issue I have with this is my local election board would be more likely to use Biden's "insurrection" against immigration laws to disqualify him instead of Trump. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 17, 2023 18:53:38 GMT -5
Hell no! The sooner trump is convicted and sentenced the better. Link to the court filing filed by trump's attorney in the article below, second paragraph in the link. Trump team seeks to delay federal election interference trial until 2026WASHINGTON — Former President Donald Trump, the front-runner in polls for the 2024 Republican nomination, is seeking to delay his federal trial on charges related to his efforts to stop the peaceful transfer of power and retain the White House following his 2020 election loss. In a court filing Thursday, Trump's attorneys recommended starting the trial in April 2026, more than two years after prosecutors are seeking to get the trial underway. The election interference case brought against Trump in the nation's capital by special counsel Jack Smith is one of four criminal cases Trump is now facing, and one of two brought at the federal level by Justice Department prosecutors. Rest of article here: Trump team seeks to delay federal election interference trial until 2026 |
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 17, 2023 20:46:30 GMT -5
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is refusing to concede in his fight over the Republican Party's direction, pushing for a Reagan-esque foreign policy and against President Donald Trump's more isolationist approach. McConnell told Politico that he views this fight over the GOP's future as the most important thing happening right now that he may still be able to influence. "There are those who are trying to redefine what a Republican is — I'm not in that group," McConnell told Politico's Jonathan Martin. "And so this is, I think, an important point for the futuparty's futured given my place in my career at this point, this is the most important thing going on that I might be able to have some impact on." www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-says-fighting-trump-s-influence-over-gop-foreign-policy-is-the-most-important-thing-he-s-doing-now/ar-AA1fgpEN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=02964e6b1b38429f839962ad96d46a95&ei=62Here's my message to Mitch: Sir, you are a bigger idiot than I gave you credit for in the past. Do you remember a couple weeks ago at the political picnic where the crowds were chanting for you to retire? You are done! You had your chance to get rid of Trump. I believe from your "My only goal is to make Obama a one term president" to knowing what Trump was all about and letting him get away with it, is your legacy. If you are stupid enough to think there is any republican party left, good luck! Can I like this 1000 times? I saw this article and thought the same thing. You made him asshole! |
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 17, 2023 21:07:50 GMT -5
Marge is very heavily considering if she wants to be VP for Trump. www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-may-not-run-reelection-1820280Or she might be a senator. www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-may-not-run-reelection-1820280, Trump won’t pick her - too much of an attention whore. He picked Pence because he was like a piece of ambulatory white bread - he would never compete for the spotlight. She couldn’t win as senator, though. Georgia is purple, for one thing - and a lot of the conservatives are not Trump conservatives - they soundly re-elected the GOP governor Kemp and GOP SOS Raffensburger, both of them attacked by Trump because they didn’t flip the state to him in 2020 - so I don’t think she’d make it past the primary. I suspect a lot of the GA GOP resent Trump’s trash talking of our elections. I don’t think she realizes what a laughing stock she is outside of her district. Hell, even inside her district. Still, if she chooses not to run for re-election, I won’t have the shame of her being my rep. |
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 18, 2023 5:37:19 GMT -5
Marge is very heavily considering if she wants to be VP for Trump. www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-may-not-run-reelection-1820280Or she might be a senator. www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-may-not-run-reelection-1820280, Trump won’t pick her - too much of an attention whore. He picked Pence because he was like a piece of ambulatory white bread - he would never compete for the spotlight. She couldn’t win as senator, though. Georgia is purple, for one thing - and a lot of the conservatives are not Trump conservatives - they soundly re-elected the GOP governor Kemp and GOP SOS Raffensburger, both of them attacked by Trump because they didn’t flip the state to him in 2020 - so I don’t think she’d make it past the primary. I suspect a lot of the GA GOP resent Trump’s trash talking of our elections. I don’t think she realizes what a laughing stock she is outside of her district. Hell, even inside her district. Still, if she chooses not to run for re-election, I won’t have the shame of her being my rep. I forgot to also mention Marge is also considering being on Trump’s cabinet. Secretary of whatever. Her head is about the size of one of those Macy thanksgiving day parade balloons. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2023 11:45:45 GMT -5
Hell no! The sooner trump is convicted and sentenced the better. Link to the court filing filed by trump's attorney in the article below, second paragraph in the link. Trump team seeks to delay federal election interference trial until 2026WASHINGTON — Former President Donald Trump, the front-runner in polls for the 2024 Republican nomination, is seeking to delay his federal trial on charges related to his efforts to stop the peaceful transfer of power and retain the White House following his 2020 election loss. In a court filing Thursday, Trump's attorneys recommended starting the trial in April 2026, more than two years after prosecutors are seeking to get the trial underway. The election interference case brought against Trump in the nation's capital by special counsel Jack Smith is one of four criminal cases Trump is now facing, and one of two brought at the federal level by Justice Department prosecutors. Rest of article here: Trump team seeks to delay federal election interference trial until 2026and i seek to swim in a bathtub full of hundred dollar bills. we will see who gets their wish, first. |
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 18, 2023 11:55:35 GMT -5
Hell no! The sooner trump is convicted and sentenced the better. Link to the court filing filed by trump's attorney in the article below, second paragraph in the link. Trump team seeks to delay federal election interference trial until 2026WASHINGTON — Former President Donald Trump, the front-runner in polls for the 2024 Republican nomination, is seeking to delay his federal trial on charges related to his efforts to stop the peaceful transfer of power and retain the White House following his 2020 election loss. In a court filing Thursday, Trump's attorneys recommended starting the trial in April 2026, more than two years after prosecutors are seeking to get the trial underway. The election interference case brought against Trump in the nation's capital by special counsel Jack Smith is one of four criminal cases Trump is now facing, and one of two brought at the federal level by Justice Department prosecutors. Rest of article here: Trump team seeks to delay federal election interference trial until 2026Prosecutors want January 2024. April 2026 seems like an attempt to create a compromise date in 2025, after the November 2024 election. |
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2023 9:41:17 GMT -5
I don't know what you expect to happen or who you think is going to calm his MAGAs down. The entire GOP field knows where they stand and have already chosen how they deal with him and his supporters. I don't see that changing. Most of them are like Mitch McConnell, hoping outside forces will take him down without their involvement. |
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 20, 2023 10:09:50 GMT -5
I don't know what you expect to happen or who you think is going to calm his MAGAs down. The entire GOP field knows where they stand and have already chosen how they deal with him and his supporters. I don't see that changing. Most of them are like Mitch McConnell, hoping outside forces will take him down without their involvement. I believe when history records this time it will be remembered as the start of your second Civil War. I hope "the deep state" is as tight and powerful as the conspiracy nuts say it is. |
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2023 10:17:40 GMT -5
I don't know what you expect to happen or who you think is going to calm his MAGAs down. The entire GOP field knows where they stand and have already chosen how they deal with him and his supporters. I don't see that changing. Most of them are like Mitch McConnell, hoping outside forces will take him down without their involvement. I believe when history records this time it will be remembered as the start of your second Civil War. I hope "the deep state" is as tight and powerful as the conspiracy nuts say it is. I don't think there will be a civil war. While there are true MAGAs, there are less of them, and many of those who supported him in the past are exhausted by him now. While they might vote for him if he becomes the candidate, they are not going to actively fight to split up the country. Trump has less political clout now than he had in 2020 when he lost. I think Civil war and Jewish space lasers are almost equally likely. They seem to be brought up by the same people. |
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 20, 2023 10:28:24 GMT -5
Saw a poll this AM that 61% of republicans are supporting Trump - the highest yet. 72% of those who support him say it’s because they want to show they support him during all these legal battles he’s having, because they continue to believe it was his right to protest the stolen.election. so he will be the nominee. |
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2023 10:37:53 GMT -5
I hate some of the articles written on his indictments. Its not his free speech that is in question. The issue is him trying to steal the election by intimidation and getting results changed in various states. This is not about free speech, but he and his enablers keep framing it as something it is not.
Yeah usual Trump but it is so annoying.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 20, 2023 11:12:55 GMT -5
I believe when history records this time it will be remembered as the start of your second Civil War. I hope "the deep state" is as tight and powerful as the conspiracy nuts say it is. I don't think there will be a civil war. While there are true MAGAs, there are less of them, and many of those who supported him in the past are exhausted by him now. While they might vote for him if he becomes the candidate, they are not going to actively fight to split up the country. Trump has less political clout now than he had in 2020 when he lost. I think Civil war and Jewish space lasers are almost equally likely. They seem to be brought up by the same people. I hope you are right. I want to be wrong. That said, you have more Magats in your Congress then before . The polls are saying he would be a serious contender in a presidential election. And he is being very bold calling on the Magats to get violent. I am afraid that forces more organized than him are using him as a lightening rod to activate an armed rebellion. I just hope the good guys are more prepared than they are telling us about. |
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I don't think there will be a civil war. While there are true MAGAs, there are less of them, and many of those who supported him in the past are exhausted by him now. While they might vote for him if he becomes the candidate, they are not going to actively fight to split up the country. Trump has less political clout now than he had in 2020 when he lost. I think Civil war and Jewish space lasers are almost equally likely. They seem to be brought up by the same people. I hope you are right. I want to be wrong. That said, you have more Magats in your Congress then before . The polls are saying he would be a serious contender in a presidential election. And he is being very bold calling on the Magats to get violent. I am afraid that forces more organized than him are using him as a lightening rod to activate an armed rebellion. I just hope the good guys are more prepared than they are telling us about. Maybe there is an issue with wording. I can certainly see incidents of violence against government establishments with a goal of creating change. I don't see it achieving a level of sustainability that it would meet my sense of "war". |
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I hope you are right. I want to be wrong. That said, you have more Magats in your Congress then before . The polls are saying he would be a serious contender in a presidential election. And he is being very bold calling on the Magats to get violent. I am afraid that forces more organized than him are using him as a lightening rod to activate an armed rebellion. I just hope the good guys are more prepared than they are telling us about. Maybe there is an issue with wording. I can certainly see incidents of violence against government establishments with a goal of creating change. I don't see it achieving a level of sustainability that it would meet my sense of "war". The threat has been sustained for over 2 years now. That is a long time for a few crazy people, just a minute to people organizing a revolution. At the moment there is a possibility of taking over through your election process. If they lose that I expect to see organized violence. Win or lose with this election there will be problems. |
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Maybe there is an issue with wording. I can certainly see incidents of violence against government establishments with a goal of creating change. I don't see it achieving a level of sustainability that it would meet my sense of "war". The threat has been sustained for over 2 years now. That is a long time for a few crazy people, just a minute to people organizing a revolution. At the moment there is a possibility of taking over through your election process. If they lose that I expect to see organized violence. Win or lose with this election there will be problems. I am looking at logistically maintaining an active fighting force in a civil war. |
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 20, 2023 11:49:12 GMT -5
The threat has been sustained for over 2 years now. That is a long time for a few crazy people, just a minute to people organizing a revolution. At the moment there is a possibility of taking over through your election process. If they lose that I expect to see organized violence. Win or lose with this election there will be problems. I am looking at logistically maintaining an active fighting force in a civil war. I know. It all comes down to your military being on the right side and being prepared. Is that Senator still holding up the military appointments? |
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 20, 2023 11:53:20 GMT -5
I forgot to mention all those classified documents with military info and strategies. I wonder who told him to grab those. And why. And how many he had already passed on.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 20, 2023 11:56:19 GMT -5
And I wonder how Russia and friends feel about those cluster munitions you guys sent to the Ukraine.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 20, 2023 12:30:14 GMT -5
I am looking at logistically maintaining an active fighting force in a civil war. I know. It all comes down to your military being on the right side and being prepared. Is that Senator still holding up the military appointments? If the military isn't on the 'right" side, there will be no war. They will, at best, stay in their barracks. If they are, they will quickly destroy any armed force once they are engaged. |
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 20, 2023 12:33:19 GMT -5
And I wonder how Russia and friends feel about those cluster munitions you guys sent to the Ukraine. FYI the Russians have been using them for the whole war against civilian targets. Actually most of their other munitions have been against hospitals, schools, churches and train stations. |
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 20, 2023 12:36:20 GMT -5
And I wonder how Russia and friends feel about those cluster munitions you guys sent to the Ukraine. FYI the Russians have been using them for the whole war against civilian targets. Actually most of their other munitions have been against hospitals, schools, churches and train stations. I'm not talking about whether sending them is right or wrong. How does Putin see it? I'm not going to argue this. I'm sharing my fears and why I have them. I want to be wrong. |
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 20, 2023 12:36:56 GMT -5
I know. It all comes down to your military being on the right side and being prepared. Is that Senator still holding up the military appointments? If the military isn't on the 'right" side, there will be no war. They will, at best, stay in their barracks. If they are, they will quickly destroy any armed force once they are engaged. I hope you're right. |
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 20, 2023 12:40:24 GMT -5
I see. Putin sees our help as a threat and talks about using nuclear weapons to counter his losses. He is scary. I remember Vietnam where each side escalated it to bigger, more powerful weapons. One step at a time.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 20, 2023 13:56:57 GMT -5
Frank Rich argued that this anti-government right wing element has been part of our republic for at least 200 years. the first time i saw the phrase attached to the GOP was when The Economist (you can always thank an outside observer for seeing things that we can't) did it in 2015. for myself, i have been describing the GOP this way for at least 5 years. i think it is time to square with reality, if we haven't already. one party is against the republic, against elections, against any form of democratic governance, because they see themselves losing power and privilege in a fair system. so that is what the rest of us are up against, if we are choosing sides. yes, i really do see it that way. it is not really existential. it is a choice of what kind of existence you want. an existence where one side determines the outcomes, no matter how unfair, with no input from the disaffected, or an existence where we all have a stake in an even playing field. it is that simple. i wish i could say with confidence which side America will choose. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 20, 2023 14:01:33 GMT -5
I believe when history records this time it will be remembered as the start of your second Civil War. I hope "the deep state" is as tight and powerful as the conspiracy nuts say it is. I don't think there will be a civil war. While there are true MAGAs, there are less of them, and many of those who supported him in the past are exhausted by him now. While they might vote for him if he becomes the candidate, they are not going to actively fight to split up the country. Trump has less political clout now than he had in 2020 when he lost. I think Civil war and Jewish space lasers are almost equally likely. They seem to be brought up by the same people. i agree with Opti. the number of people that SUPPORT such movements is far larger than those that will participate in them. if there are 75M MAGA, and i doubt it is that large, there are probably less than 10M that would lift a FINGER to participate in any of the extremities, and probably less than 1M that would actually do so aggressively. of that 1M, maybe 100k have enough training to carry it off, and of those, maybe 10k are ORGANIZED enough to do it. the number are, indeed, pretty small, imo. |
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