The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[busymom]

Aug 12, 2024 5:17:16 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Trump had a really unhinged melt down showing a picture of the Harris plane parked behind a big crowd of supporters. Trump tried to claim there were no people there - it was an AI picture.

It isn’t. There is video of the event.

It’s not just the presidency he’s freaked out about losing- he knows he’ll go to jail if he loses.

    I seriously think that is the only reason he's running for the office again.  To keep his aging a$$ out of jail.  (Yes, I suppose ego is part of it too, but now he's not going against Biden, so that'll take some of the fun out of it for him.)  

[Opti]

I agree, I think it's his stay out of jail card.

[happyhoix]

Aug 12, 2024 10:08:37 GMT -5 busymom said:

Aug 12, 2024 5:17:16 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Trump had a really unhinged melt down showing a picture of the Harris plane parked behind a big crowd of supporters. Trump tried to claim there were no people there - it was an AI picture.

It isn’t. There is video of the event.

It’s not just the presidency he’s freaked out about losing- he knows he’ll go to jail if he loses.

    I seriously think that is the only reason he's running for the office again.  To keep his aging a$$ out of jail.  (Yes, I suppose ego is part of it too, but now he's not going against Biden, so that'll take some of the fun out of it for him.)  

I think so, too. Remember how excited his kids were when he got elected? Ivanka wanted to be called the first daughter and got onto arguments with Melania about who was in charge? It seemed like the ultimate grift, I’m sure.

Now Melania is no where to be seen. Ivanka and Jared have disappeared. Don Jr divorced his normal wife and has taken up with a media whore who is either mentally unbalanced or high all the time. And Trump himself, rather than winning the best grift ever, is on the hook for millions right now, and maybe more before the lawsuit dust settles. Plus the Trump name, which used to be associated with expensive crap, is much less valuable.

His only chance to leave his kids any part of that 400 million bucks he inherited from his daddy is to become potus again so he can shut down all the legal cases against him.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 10, 2024 15:58:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump stokes fears with ‘unconstitutional’ Harris talk

Former President Trump is setting off alarms among critics as he pushes the claim that Vice President Harris’s ascent to become the Democratic nominee is somehow unconstitutional, with some warning he could be laying the groundwork to contest an electoral defeat as he did in 2020.

Trump has repeatedly sought to cast Harris replacing President Biden as the Democratic nominee as nefarious, likening it to a “coup” and in recent days claiming it may be unconstitutional because she was not atop the ballot in the primary process.

Biden and other Democrats, as well as some Republican Trump critics, have suggested the former president’s rhetoric is intended to cast doubt on November’s results should Harris prevail.

“We know one thing for sure. Trump never loses. And so if he’s not the winner of 2024 as in 2020, it must be because he was treated unfairly, yet again,” former Trump national security adviser John Bolton said on CNN.

“This is why people need to start thinking more now about how to deny Trump the ability the day after the election, if he loses, to try and throw the process into chaos again,” Bolton added.

Biden announced July 21 he would not seek reelection. Democrats quickly rallied behind Harris, who this week was officially certified as the party’s nominee following delegate voting.

Trump, who was leading Biden in the polls and appeared on track for victory in November, has repeatedly said the president was forced out and called it a “coup.” More recently, he has questioned whether Democrats replacing Biden with Harris somehow violated the Constitution, particularly after recent polls show Harris closing in on him.

In a Truth Social post this week, Trump claimed Biden’s presidency was “Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him.”

“From a constitutional standpoint, from any standpoint you look at, they took the presidency away,” Trump said at a Thursday press conference.

Asked for his analysis of what made it unconstitutional, Trump pointed to Harris’s lack of support in a Democratic primary, including when she ran in 2020.

Rest of article here:  Trump stokes fears with ‘unconstitutional’ Harris talk

should we care?
imo, this is a b*&lshit distraction, and it has no legs.

anyone else?

[busymom]

Aug 12, 2024 11:40:38 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 12, 2024 10:08:37 GMT -5 busymom said:

    I seriously think that is the only reason he's running for the office again.  To keep his aging a$$ out of jail.  (Yes, I suppose ego is part of it too, but now he's not going against Biden, so that'll take some of the fun out of it for him.)  

I think so, too. Remember how excited his kids were when he got elected? Ivanka wanted to be called the first daughter and got onto arguments with Melania about who was in charge? It seemed like the ultimate grift, I’m sure.

Now Melania is no where to be seen. Ivanka and Jared have disappeared. Don Jr divorced his normal wife and has taken up with a media whore who is either mentally unbalanced or high all the time. And Trump himself, rather than winning the best grift ever, is on the hook for millions right now, and maybe more before the lawsuit dust settles. Plus the Trump name, which used to be associated with expensive crap, is much less valuable.

His only chance to leave his kids any part of that 400 million bucks he inherited from his daddy is to become potus again so he can shut down all the legal cases against him.

     Or just plain do another 4 years of grifting.  Remember how he "encouraged" foreign dignitaries to stay at his properties when visiting the US so they'd have access to him?  

[dondubble]

Aug 12, 2024 12:24:42 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 10, 2024 15:58:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump stokes fears with ‘unconstitutional’ Harris talk

Former President Trump is setting off alarms among critics as he pushes the claim that Vice President Harris’s ascent to become the Democratic nominee is somehow unconstitutional, with some warning he could be laying the groundwork to contest an electoral defeat as he did in 2020.

Trump has repeatedly sought to cast Harris replacing President Biden as the Democratic nominee as nefarious, likening it to a “coup” and in recent days claiming it may be unconstitutional because she was not atop the ballot in the primary process.

Biden and other Democrats, as well as some Republican Trump critics, have suggested the former president’s rhetoric is intended to cast doubt on November’s results should Harris prevail.

“We know one thing for sure. Trump never loses. And so if he’s not the winner of 2024 as in 2020, it must be because he was treated unfairly, yet again,” former Trump national security adviser John Bolton said on CNN.

“This is why people need to start thinking more now about how to deny Trump the ability the day after the election, if he loses, to try and throw the process into chaos again,” Bolton added.

Biden announced July 21 he would not seek reelection. Democrats quickly rallied behind Harris, who this week was officially certified as the party’s nominee following delegate voting.

Trump, who was leading Biden in the polls and appeared on track for victory in November, has repeatedly said the president was forced out and called it a “coup.” More recently, he has questioned whether Democrats replacing Biden with Harris somehow violated the Constitution, particularly after recent polls show Harris closing in on him.

In a Truth Social post this week, Trump claimed Biden’s presidency was “Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him.”

“From a constitutional standpoint, from any standpoint you look at, they took the presidency away,” Trump said at a Thursday press conference.

Asked for his analysis of what made it unconstitutional, Trump pointed to Harris’s lack of support in a Democratic primary, including when she ran in 2020.

Rest of article here:  Trump stokes fears with ‘unconstitutional’ Harris talk

should we care?
imo, this is a b*&lshit distraction, and it has no legs.

anyone else?

Last I checked Biden was still POTUS.

Last I checked Trump was still completely full of steaming BS.

[Opti]

Aug 12, 2024 12:57:42 GMT -5 busymom said:

Aug 12, 2024 11:40:38 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I think so, too. Remember how excited his kids were when he got elected? Ivanka wanted to be called the first daughter and got onto arguments with Melania about who was in charge? It seemed like the ultimate grift, I’m sure.

Now Melania is no where to be seen. Ivanka and Jared have disappeared. Don Jr divorced his normal wife and has taken up with a media whore who is either mentally unbalanced or high all the time. And Trump himself, rather than winning the best grift ever, is on the hook for millions right now, and maybe more before the lawsuit dust settles. Plus the Trump name, which used to be associated with expensive crap, is much less valuable.

His only chance to leave his kids any part of that 400 million bucks he inherited from his daddy is to become potus again so he can shut down all the legal cases against him.

     Or just plain do another 4 years of grifting.  Remember how he "encouraged" foreign dignitaries to stay at his properties when visiting the US so they'd have access to him?  

He could still do that by staying in Florida. Get consulting fees. Run for DeSantis's job if he wants to trash Florida personally.

[Tennesseer]

Article below the meme.



Lara Trump's Kamala Harris Attack Turns Into Massive Self-Own

Lara Trump has attempted to paint Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris as unqualified for her position, but Trump’s lack of self-awareness turned the attack into a massive self-own.

Trump, the Republican National Committee co-chair and daughter-in-law of GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump, claimed on a Wednesday episode of her “Right View” podcast that the former prosecutor and senator “has failed upward her entire career.”

She added that Joe Biden only selected Harris as his vice presidential running mate in 2020 “based on how she looked, based on the fact that this is a woman, based on the fact that she was a minority woman.”

Biden had said at the time that he chose Harris, who has Black and South Asian heritage, due to various factors, including her gender. He also said that he wanted someone who was “ready to be president” and had an important perspective on key issues.

On “The Right View,” Lara Trump said that gender being part of Biden’s equation was “really gross.”

“I’m a woman. Do me a favor: Don’t ever give me a position based on the fact that I’m a woman,” she said. “Either I earned it, or I didn’t! And that’s it. That’s all I need.”

Rest of article here: Lara Trump's Kamala Harris Attack Turns Into Massive Self-Own

[billisonboard]

Aug 12, 2024 14:50:12 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Think you posted this on the wrong thread. Doesn't it go on the Jokes thread?

[ken a.k.a OMK]

“I’m a woman. Do me a favor: Don’t ever give me a position based on the fact that I’m a woman,” she said. “Either I earned it, or I didn’t! And that’s it. That’s all I need

 Just more hypocritical rhetoric from trumpers. In this case family. 

[thyme4change]

Aug 11, 2024 9:52:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 11, 2024 9:29:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

A seven question NPR test on freedom of speech:

What does Freedom of Speech actually mean? Test your knowledge in Throughline’s history quiz

Thanks for sharing. Missed one.

SPOILER: Click to show

Can't burn draft cards. Hmmm. Interesting

Me too - I guess I was too busy in kindergarten to pay attention to the Supreme Court rulings that year.

[seriousthistime]

That is outrageously ridiculous!!!  Lara of course got her RNC position because she is the most qualified person for the job!

[billisonboard]

Aug 12, 2024 15:29:44 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 11, 2024 9:52:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Thanks for sharing. Missed one.

SPOILER: Click to show

Can't burn draft cards. Hmmm. Interesting

Me too - I guess I was too busy in kindergarten to pay attention to the Supreme Court rulings that year.

SPOILER: Click to show

What upsets me is I pride myself not just for knowing the Constitution but on analytical test taking skills. That situation was so "out there" that I should have realized and picked accordingly. Out of practice on test taking I guess.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 12, 2024 14:50:12 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Article below the meme.



Lara Trump's Kamala Harris Attack Turns Into Massive Self-Own

Lara Trump has attempted to paint Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris as unqualified for her position, but Trump’s lack of self-awareness turned the attack into a massive self-own.

Trump, the Republican National Committee co-chair and daughter-in-law of GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump, claimed on a Wednesday episode of her “Right View” podcast that the former prosecutor and senator “has failed upward her entire career.”

She added that Joe Biden only selected Harris as his vice presidential running mate in 2020 “based on how she looked, based on the fact that this is a woman, based on the fact that she was a minority woman.”

Biden had said at the time that he chose Harris, who has Black and South Asian heritage, due to various factors, including her gender. He also said that he wanted someone who was “ready to be president” and had an important perspective on key issues.

On “The Right View,” Lara Trump said that gender being part of Biden’s equation was “really gross.”

“I’m a woman. Do me a favor: Don’t ever give me a position based on the fact that I’m a woman,” she said. “Either I earned it, or I didn’t! And that’s it. That’s all I need.”

Rest of article here: Lara Trump's Kamala Harris Attack Turns Into Massive Self-Own

ok, we will take away a position from you based on how you look.  how does that sound?

[happyhoix]

Aug 12, 2024 12:24:42 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 10, 2024 15:58:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump stokes fears with ‘unconstitutional’ Harris talk

Former President Trump is setting off alarms among critics as he pushes the claim that Vice President Harris’s ascent to become the Democratic nominee is somehow unconstitutional, with some warning he could be laying the groundwork to contest an electoral defeat as he did in 2020.

Trump has repeatedly sought to cast Harris replacing President Biden as the Democratic nominee as nefarious, likening it to a “coup” and in recent days claiming it may be unconstitutional because she was not atop the ballot in the primary process.

Biden and other Democrats, as well as some Republican Trump critics, have suggested the former president’s rhetoric is intended to cast doubt on November’s results should Harris prevail.

“We know one thing for sure. Trump never loses. And so if he’s not the winner of 2024 as in 2020, it must be because he was treated unfairly, yet again,” former Trump national security adviser John Bolton said on CNN.

“This is why people need to start thinking more now about how to deny Trump the ability the day after the election, if he loses, to try and throw the process into chaos again,” Bolton added.

Biden announced July 21 he would not seek reelection. Democrats quickly rallied behind Harris, who this week was officially certified as the party’s nominee following delegate voting.

Trump, who was leading Biden in the polls and appeared on track for victory in November, has repeatedly said the president was forced out and called it a “coup.” More recently, he has questioned whether Democrats replacing Biden with Harris somehow violated the Constitution, particularly after recent polls show Harris closing in on him.

In a Truth Social post this week, Trump claimed Biden’s presidency was “Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him.”

“From a constitutional standpoint, from any standpoint you look at, they took the presidency away,” Trump said at a Thursday press conference.

Asked for his analysis of what made it unconstitutional, Trump pointed to Harris’s lack of support in a Democratic primary, including when she ran in 2020.

Rest of article here:  Trump stokes fears with ‘unconstitutional’ Harris talk

should we care?
imo, this is a b*&lshit distraction, and it has no legs.

anyone else?

He’s trying really hard not to have to run against Harris. He keeps saying she took over in a coup, then yesterday he said Harris lied about her crowd size and faked a photo showing a big boisterous crowd so she needs to be booted from the race and Biden brought back.

About now he’s no doubt regretting how much he attacked Biden in that debate.

[Opti]

Aug 12, 2024 18:09:11 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 12, 2024 12:24:42 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

should we care?
imo, this is a b*&lshit distraction, and it has no legs.

anyone else?

He’s trying really hard not to have to run against Harris. He keeps saying she took over in a coup, then yesterday he said Harris lied about her crowd size and faked a photo showing a big boisterous crowd so she needs to be booted from the race and Biden brought back.

About now he’s no doubt regretting how much he attacked Biden in that debate.

I don't know how he thinks, so I won't conjecture. What I do suspect is he had an entire game plan on trash talking Biden and how to say the vote was rigged. Now he has a limited time to come up with a marketing campaign that might work - both to potentially win but more likely how to sell a biracial woman beat his ass and how it was unfair. 

It's Trump. He believes he will always prevail. He is just anxious and throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks. 

[djAdvocate]

actually, what he is TRYING to do is level all of his critique against Joe onto Kamala.

it is not really working. first of all, although she was briefed on all of this stuff, she is not the person who carried out the orders. that is all on Joe.

second, he actually did a good job, and she is better at defending it than he was.

so, yeah, i think this is a lose-lose for Trump. he had Biden down by 3.3%, and now Harris is up by 2.3%. it is a monstrous shift that translates to about 9 MILLION VOTERS. i am trying not to extrapolate, but it is far easier for me to imagine Trump getting fewer votes than he did last time, and Kamala getting more than Biden did last time.

how much more remains to be seen.

[Tennesseer]

“Just remember, what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening,"
-donald trump

Sure, donald, sure. (5150)

[Opti]

Aug 12, 2024 18:59:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

actually, what he is TRYING to do is level all of his critique against Joe onto Kamala.

it is not really working. first of all, although she was briefed on all of this stuff, she is not the person who carried out the orders. that is all on Joe.

second, he actually did a good job, and she is better at defending it than he was.

so, yeah, i think this is a lose-lose for Trump. he had Biden down by 3.3%, and now Harris is up by 2.3%. it is a monstrous shift that translates to about 9 MILLION VOTERS. i am trying not to extrapolate, but it is far easier for me to imagine Trump getting fewer votes than he did last time, and Kamala getting more than Biden did last time.

how much more remains to be seen.

And Walz as VP is such a brilliant pick. Imagine if Hillary had gotten a VP like that instead of man holding sweater upright, or whoever he was.

[thyme4change]

Aug 12, 2024 20:03:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 12, 2024 18:59:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

actually, what he is TRYING to do is level all of his critique against Joe onto Kamala.

it is not really working. first of all, although she was briefed on all of this stuff, she is not the person who carried out the orders. that is all on Joe.

second, he actually did a good job, and she is better at defending it than he was.

so, yeah, i think this is a lose-lose for Trump. he had Biden down by 3.3%, and now Harris is up by 2.3%. it is a monstrous shift that translates to about 9 MILLION VOTERS. i am trying not to extrapolate, but it is far easier for me to imagine Trump getting fewer votes than he did last time, and Kamala getting more than Biden did last time.

how much more remains to be seen.

And Walz as VP is such a brilliant pick. Imagine if Hillary had gotten a VP like that instead of man holding sweater upright, or whoever he was.

Tim Kane was not bad. There was no VP that could save Hillary from years of being villainized over unproven crimes, and proven transgressions. Comey dug her grave and threw her in. She was all baggage and did not have the charisma to overcome it.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 12, 2024 21:11:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 12, 2024 20:03:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

And Walz as VP is such a brilliant pick. Imagine if Hillary had gotten a VP like that instead of man holding sweater upright, or whoever he was.

Tim Kane was not bad. There was no VP that could save Hillary from years of being villainized over unproven crimes, and proven transgressions. Comey dug her grave and threw her in. She was all baggage and did not have the charisma to overcome it.

Yet Hillary won the popular vote by almost three million votes. trump still hates that even though he won via electoral college.

[Opti]

Aug 12, 2024 21:11:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 12, 2024 20:03:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

And Walz as VP is such a brilliant pick. Imagine if Hillary had gotten a VP like that instead of man holding sweater upright, or whoever he was.

Tim Kane was not bad. There was no VP that could save Hillary from years of being villainized over unproven crimes, and proven transgressions. Comey dug her grave and threw her in. She was all baggage and did not have the charisma to overcome it.

She had the charisma to get that far, but she fought her entire political life harder and longer than her husband ... because she was female and did not have his folksy charm. A better VP could have gotten that charisma or likability for her. But I think she was afraid she would win or lose on her VP's popularity and wanted to win or lose herself. MO. 

[Opti]

Aug 12, 2024 21:21:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 12, 2024 21:11:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Tim Kane was not bad. There was no VP that could save Hillary from years of being villainized over unproven crimes, and proven transgressions. Comey dug her grave and threw her in. She was all baggage and did not have the charisma to overcome it.

Yet Hillary won the popular vote by almost three million votes. trump still hates that even though he won via electoral college.

And for that I am grateful as it showed the country had not totally lost its mind. Later after reading political books, I discovered the many ways Trump's campaign actively suppressed black voters in WI, MI, etc. Data analytics. This is how Obama beat out Hillary, round 1. Reading about that election is on my list as I have read/heard Obama barely stayed on the right side of the line when his data analytics team kicked Hillary's similar team's ass.

I know I will not be all that happy with what I learn.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 12, 2024 21:11:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 12, 2024 20:03:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

And Walz as VP is such a brilliant pick. Imagine if Hillary had gotten a VP like that instead of man holding sweater upright, or whoever he was.

Tim Kane was not bad. There was no VP that could save Hillary from years of being villainized over unproven crimes, and proven transgressions. Comey dug her grave and threw her in. She was all baggage and did not have the charisma to overcome it.

this.  she ran against the worst candidate in history and lost.

nuff said.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 12, 2024 22:24:27 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 12, 2024 21:11:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Tim Kane was not bad. There was no VP that could save Hillary from years of being villainized over unproven crimes, and proven transgressions. Comey dug her grave and threw her in. She was all baggage and did not have the charisma to overcome it.

She had the charisma to get that far, but she fought her entire political life harder and longer than her husband ... because she was female and did not have his folksy charm. A better VP could have gotten that charisma or likability for her. But I think she was afraid she would win or lose on her VP's popularity and wanted to win or lose herself. MO. 

part of her issue was her arrogance.  if she just appeared to be working for her votes, she would have won.

[djAdvocate]

i just watched part of that Trump interview. two incels talking about how smart they are, and how much they love each other. pure rubbish, no policy statements.

i watched it on YouTube, and the guys bragged that they were going to change the course of the campaign, because Elon has 192 Million viewers or something.

yeah. sure.


161000 watched it. most of them were MAGA. yeah, i am pretty sure of that. i am betting this will change NOTHING. the marble mouthed Trump trying to act normal in front of another billionaire is not going to change ANY minds, imo.

[djAdvocate]

oh, Trump announced an EFFICIENCY COMMISSION headed up by Musk. that was a policy statement, i guess.

a terrifying one.

[djAdvocate]

here is what Reuters said about it:

As the conversation unfolded, Trump delivered his usual mix of grievances, exaggerated claims and personal attacks, with Musk offering occasional encouragement.
Trump claimed without evidence that Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if he were still president and praised Russian President Vladimir Putin, Chinese President Xi Jinping and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un - all authoritarian strongmen - as at the "top of their game."

[Opti]

Aug 12, 2024 22:31:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 12, 2024 22:24:27 GMT -5 Opti said:

She had the charisma to get that far, but she fought her entire political life harder and longer than her husband ... because she was female and did not have his folksy charm. A better VP could have gotten that charisma or likability for her. But I think she was afraid she would win or lose on her VP's popularity and wanted to win or lose herself. MO. 

part of her issue was her arrogance.  if she just appeared to be working for her votes, she would have won.

I don't think she was arrogant although it may have appeared that way to some people. She was promised the green light to run after Obama/Biden had their eight years in office. She thought she had the support and like me did not pay enough attention to the whining about Milwaukee, etc. Where I agree she should have gone to. 

She made errors, but I think it was more because her political math was old school, and she was exhausted. She grew up in rich NW suburban Illinois. I grew up in middle class NW suburbs and being a full sixteen yr old younger than her, I would definitely show up in Milwaukee and Detroit at the very least had it been me as me. Trump's data analytics team was hammering on black voters in that area until the election was over. You don't need to vote, there's enough people out there. What has Hillary done for you anyway? Try Trump, Holder really didn't help did he? (Just a couple made up examples, but they were calling actual voters under the guise of research. FB ads, all sorts of crap. It was extensive and relentless. 

[thyme4change]

My husband’s theory is that Elon is sucking up hard so conservatives will accept electric cars and solar power. He knows the lefties are already onboard.