The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[billisonboard]

Jun 30, 2023 12:54:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jun 25, 2023 12:55:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

just checked Trump's favorability again.  he is down ANOTHER 1/2%.  this is his worst six weeks since he left office.  he is falling about 1% per week.

I have been wondering where the breaking point is for the GOP. There are a set of people who will be buried wrapped in their Trump flags - but I believe there is a critical mass of republicans that are peeling away because they are tired of his bullshit. At what point can we see all of the politicians who were ‘never trump’ and then became pro-Trump switch back to being anti-Trump.

I haven’t been paying too much attention recently, but it seems like a lot of national Republican politicians are being fairly silent about Trump. Maybe I am just missing their public support on purpose? I will take silence over support at this time. Hopefully it will grow into criticism soon.

Three 2024 presidential primary loses by Trump is my prediction of when. He lost the 2016 Iowa caucuses (or were they stolen?) so that won't be enough losing there. Losing New Hampshire could get it started. South Carolina would open the floodgates. Him winning any would prolong them not turning. Too murky to predict from there.

[dondubble]

Jun 30, 2023 13:34:30 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 30, 2023 12:54:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I have been wondering where the breaking point is for the GOP. There are a set of people who will be buried wrapped in their Trump flags - but I believe there is a critical mass of republicans that are peeling away because they are tired of his bullshit. At what point can we see all of the politicians who were ‘never trump’ and then became pro-Trump switch back to being anti-Trump.

I haven’t been paying too much attention recently, but it seems like a lot of national Republican politicians are being fairly silent about Trump. Maybe I am just missing their public support on purpose? I will take silence over support at this time. Hopefully it will grow into criticism soon.

Three 2024 presidential primary loses by Trump is my prediction of when. He lost the 2016 Iowa caucuses (or were they stolen?) so that won't be enough losing there. Losing New Hampshire could get it started. South Carolina would open the floodgates. Him winning any would prolong them not turning. Too murky to predict from there.

In that case, don’t you think he goes 3rd party? The MAGA Party?

[billisonboard]

Jun 30, 2023 13:42:49 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Jun 30, 2023 13:34:30 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Three 2024 presidential primary loses by Trump is my prediction of when. He lost the 2016 Iowa caucuses (or were they stolen?) so that won't be enough losing there. Losing New Hampshire could get it started. South Carolina would open the floodgates. Him winning any would prolong them not turning. Too murky to predict from there.

In that case, don’t you think he goes 3rd party? The MAGA Party?

3rd party potentially. Clearly he doesn't, and not sure who in his orbit, have the organizational skills necessary to get on 50 state ballots with a new party. I could see him commandeering an existing party, Libertarian Party comes to mind. Don't know the details on it happening but think it is possible.

[happyhoix]

Jun 30, 2023 12:54:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jun 25, 2023 12:55:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

just checked Trump's favorability again.  he is down ANOTHER 1/2%.  this is his worst six weeks since he left office.  he is falling about 1% per week.

I have been wondering where the breaking point is for the GOP. There are a set of people who will be buried wrapped in their Trump flags - but I believe there is a critical mass of republicans that are peeling away because they are tired of his bullshit. At what point can we see all of the politicians who were ‘never trump’ and then became pro-Trump switch back to being anti-Trump.

I haven’t been paying too much attention recently, but it seems like a lot of national Republican politicians are being fairly silent about Trump. Maybe I am just missing their public support on purpose? I will take silence over support at this time. Hopefully it will grow into criticism soon.

I thought we might be there with McCarthy because he dared to say to a reporter that Trump may not be the best possible candidate for the GOP for 2024, but his MAGA idiot House co workers lost their minds and forced him to back track.  The big money donors are already there, though - Koch is paying 90 million dollars for a campaign to elect anyone other than Trump. 

Now, of course, there will always be the MAGA faithful who would literally still vote for him after they witnessed him drop kicking a baby down the street - they’ll be worshiping at golden statues of him after he’s dead and gone. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2023 12:54:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jun 25, 2023 12:55:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

just checked Trump's favorability again.  he is down ANOTHER 1/2%.  this is his worst six weeks since he left office.  he is falling about 1% per week.

I have been wondering where the breaking point is for the GOP. There are a set of people who will be buried wrapped in their Trump flags - but I believe there is a critical mass of republicans that are peeling away because they are tired of his bullshit. At what point can we see all of the politicians who were ‘never trump’ and then became pro-Trump switch back to being anti-Trump.

I haven’t been paying too much attention recently, but it seems like a lot of national Republican politicians are being fairly silent about Trump. Maybe I am just missing their public support on purpose? I will take silence over support at this time. Hopefully it will grow into criticism soon.

i will say this: when i hear the GOP talk about him these days, it is generally a softer tone than the screeching bullshit we were hearing a month ago.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2023 13:42:49 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Jun 30, 2023 13:34:30 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Three 2024 presidential primary loses by Trump is my prediction of when. He lost the 2016 Iowa caucuses (or were they stolen?) so that won't be enough losing there. Losing New Hampshire could get it started. South Carolina would open the floodgates. Him winning any would prolong them not turning. Too murky to predict from there.

In that case, don’t you think he goes 3rd party? The MAGA Party?

if i believed in prayer, i would pray for this every night.  amen.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2023 15:27:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 30, 2023 12:54:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I have been wondering where the breaking point is for the GOP. There are a set of people who will be buried wrapped in their Trump flags - but I believe there is a critical mass of republicans that are peeling away because they are tired of his bullshit. At what point can we see all of the politicians who were ‘never trump’ and then became pro-Trump switch back to being anti-Trump.

I haven’t been paying too much attention recently, but it seems like a lot of national Republican politicians are being fairly silent about Trump. Maybe I am just missing their public support on purpose? I will take silence over support at this time. Hopefully it will grow into criticism soon.

I thought we might be there with McCarthy because he dared to say to a reporter that Trump may not be the best possible candidate for the GOP for 2024, but his MAGA idiot House co workers lost their minds and forced him to back track.  The big money donors are already there, though - Koch is paying 90 million dollars for a campaign to elect anyone other than Trump. 

Now, of course, there will always be the MAGA faithful who would literally still vote for him after they witnessed him drop kicking a baby down the street - they’ll be worshiping at golden statues of him after he’s dead and gone. 

the MAGA faithful will soon realize that if they are not part of a winning coalition, they will be sold down the river, like the Birchers before them.  

[tbop77]

Mr Trump’s early morning Truth Social post signed off with another image, of a flag which read: ““F**k Biden and f**k you for voting for him”.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-marks-independence-day-by-sharing-vulgar-attack-on-biden-and-ominous-2024-warning/ar-AA1dpZSE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3725dd4ad5124d78a31713c7bf78bfb9&ei=74

So presidential, huh?  Setting a good example for all the children they claim to be so worried about.  

[pulmonarymd]

Just another example of all the fine people in the Republican Party

[tbop77]

Jul 5, 2023 7:19:06 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Just another example of all the fine people in the Republican Party

The Republican Party is being called out on social media after it shared the flag of the wrong country in a post to mark 4 July on Twitter.



“247 years ago, our forefathers told Ol’ King George to get lost! Happy Independence Day from the GOP!” read the deleted tweet, with a photo of the flag of Liberia attached alongside.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-party-called-out-for-tweeting-july-4-message-with-flag-of-wrong-country/ar-AA1drL9T?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0104455e5ca0458ba27d928bd7b7a862&ei=7


And smart too!!!  

[djAdvocate]

Jul 5, 2023 7:01:36 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Mr Trump’s early morning Truth Social post signed off with another image, of a flag which read: ““F**k Biden and f**k you for voting for him”.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-marks-independence-day-by-sharing-vulgar-attack-on-biden-and-ominous-2024-warning/ar-AA1dpZSE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3725dd4ad5124d78a31713c7bf78bfb9&ei=74

So presidential, huh?  Setting a good example for all the children they claim to be so worried about.  

he slips up regularly about losing in 2020 these days.
probably stage 3 Parkinson's.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 5, 2023 7:31:33 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Jul 5, 2023 7:19:06 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Just another example of all the fine people in the Republican Party

The Republican Party is being called out on social media after it shared the flag of the wrong country in a post to mark 4 July on Twitter.



“247 years ago, our forefathers told Ol’ King George to get lost! Happy Independence Day from the GOP!” read the deleted tweet, with a photo of the flag of Liberia attached alongside.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-party-called-out-for-tweeting-july-4-message-with-flag-of-wrong-country/ar-AA1drL9T?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0104455e5ca0458ba27d928bd7b7a862&ei=7


And smart too!!!  

Make America Liberia Again 

[tbop77]

I have no idea why Pence thought he would have a chance to receive any support for his run for president.  I do enjoy watching him squirm with answering to his party on why he couldn't lie one more time:


It would be one thing if Pence had renounced his lying ways and was reckoning with how his own disinformation laid the groundwork for the Big Lie. But either he's too stupid or cynical — likely, a bit of both — to think about how his own contributions to the GOP culture of lying made Trump possible. Now Pence has to squirm, as Republican voters voice feelings of betrayal that Pence finally found a line he wouldn't cross. It's a pleasure knowing that Pence will finish his political career hated by everyone across the political spectrum. It's far less punishment than he deserves, of course. But when so few Republican politicians have to reap any of what they sowed, it's nice to see at least one of them brought lower by the immoral culture he cultivated.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mike-pence-s-big-lie-campaign-trail-torture-he-s-reaping-the-disinformation-he-sowed/ar-AA1dykm0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5673df7f0ea44303857a894cef962a96&ei=27

[happyhoix]

www.salon.com/2023/07/14/be-very-afraid-agenda-47-is-no-joke/

Haven’t heard about this much, but this is Trump’s agenda for his next term, which is terrifying.

Another link: www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/agenda-47-trump-promised-wins-012517937.html

Utopian cities - made better by relocating (on threat of arrest) all the homeless people to tent cities on ‘inexpensive’ land.   Meanwhile, we’ll eradicate the real threat to peace and prosperity, the gays and trans people, and get rid of birthright citizenship. (Does that mean we evict everyone who was born in the states but whose parents weren’t American citizens at the time of their birth?) 

Then - a wonderful year long celebration of the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence!

Nothing about beautiful healthcare for everyone, nothing about the increasing gap between the very wealth and the poor. 

And of course, we’ll stop funding the Ukrainian war so that we can once again be BFF with our old friend, Putin. 

This needs to be taken seriously - this is what Trump is running on, but what will he really do? Smite those who displeased him. 

[djAdvocate]

let them eat cake!

Make America Germany Again

[tbop77]

Donald Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.

Now, Trump is laying out a far more expansive vision of power in any second term. And, in contrast with his disorganized transition after his surprise 2016 victory, he now benefits from a well-funded policymaking infrastructure, led by former officials who did not break with him after his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.


news.yahoo.com/trump-allies-forge-plans-increase-114639311.html

Trump wants to be a dictator so bad and will have enough crazies around him to destroy what is left of the country.  And conservatives support him.  

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Anyone else watching RFK Jr?       His father is rolling in his grave.  What a way to tarnish a legacy. 

[billisonboard]

Jul 18, 2023 7:59:42 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Donald Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.

Now, Trump is laying out a far more expansive vision of power in any second term. And, in contrast with his disorganized transition after his surprise 2016 victory, he now benefits from a well-funded policymaking infrastructure, led by former officials who did not break with him after his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.


news.yahoo.com/trump-allies-forge-plans-increase-114639311.html

Trump wants to be a dictator so bad and will have enough crazies around him to destroy what is left of the country.  And conservatives support him.  

The strategy in talking openly about such “paradigm-shifting ideas” before the election, Vought said, is to “plant a flag” — both to shift the debate and to later be able to claim a mandate.

Good. It needs to be clear to first primary voters and if/then general election voters what they are voting for.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 18, 2023 8:03:26 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Anyone else watching RFK Jr?       His father is rolling in his grave.  What a way to tarnish a legacy. 

The guy is awful.

[tbop77]

Meanwhile:


"Joe Biden had the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs that is actually finishing what FDR started, that LBJ expanded on, and Joe Biden is attempting to complete," Greene said in the clip. "Programs to address education, medical care, urban problems, world poverty, transportation, Medicare, Medicaid, and labor unions − and he still is working on it."

The president's team took the 30-second clip from Greene's speech and posted it on Biden's Twitter account on Tuesday with the caption: "I approve this message."



Using Greene's speech, the reelection campaign ad showed Biden signing legislation and making stops across the country touting his "Investing in America" agenda.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/president-biden-trolls-marjorie-taylor-greene-on-twitter-i-approve-this-message/ar-AA1e4mzC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9641ac4fbffd4a02b97fbc678beadfbe&ei=22

All he has to do is let Republicans do the campaigning for him!   

[pulmonarymd]

Trying to do things to make people’s lives better. Who does he think he is.

[djAdvocate]

if Biden loses, based on his record, based on everything he has accomplished, in addition to running a competent government that conforms to "norms" for the last 235 years, then America gets what it deserves: to become a shithole nation.

Make America Grovel Again

[billisonboard]

Jul 19, 2023 12:18:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

if Biden loses, based on his record, based on everything he has accomplished, in addition to running a competent government that conforms to "norms" for the last 235 years, then America gets what it deserves: to become a shithole nation.

Make America Grovel Again

If Trump (or DeSantis) is the GOP nominee, 100% agree. If a miracle were to happen and their nominee is a Christie or Scott, then I could grant a Biden loss was more a policies decision by the voters.

[djAdvocate]

decided to look at Trump's favorability again.

since the second indictment, BOTH his favorable AND unfavorable numbers have risen 1%.  the unfavorable number is now hovering near an all-time high since he left office.  

if you are wondering about Biden's numbers, they dropped a couple of percent in the last week or two.  it might have something to do with the stupid Hunter Biden story.  don't know.

so, we are left with two very weak front runners.  the difference i see between the two is that it is UNLIKELY that Biden will weaken in the next year, and it is LIKELY that Trump will.  having said that, awful things can happen.

[happyhoix]

Jul 21, 2023 18:49:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

decided to look at Trump's favorability again.

since the second indictment, BOTH his favorable AND unfavorable numbers have risen 1%.  the unfavorable number is now hovering near an all-time high since he left office.  

if you are wondering about Biden's numbers, they dropped a couple of percent in the last week or two.  it might have something to do with the stupid Hunter Biden story.  don't know.

so, we are left with two very weak front runners.  the difference i see between the two is that it is UNLIKELY that Biden will weaken in the next year, and it is LIKELY that Trump will.  having said that, awful things can happen.

I was afraid we would have a recession and that would tank Biden’s chances of winning but the economy geeks are saying we may have actually avoided a recession. 

And I still wonder about the ‘favorability’ ratings for Trump. My SIL and MIL are Trump fans, and they think Trump is being treated horribly. However, both are going to vote for Ron DeSantis, last I talked to them. 

The MAGA folks may feel sorry for Trump, and angry at the way he’s being treated, but will they vote for him? I’m not sure. I think there’s a certain amount of fatigue setting in. 

[djAdvocate]

Jul 21, 2023 20:21:28 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 21, 2023 18:49:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

decided to look at Trump's favorability again.

since the second indictment, BOTH his favorable AND unfavorable numbers have risen 1%.  the unfavorable number is now hovering near an all-time high since he left office.  

if you are wondering about Biden's numbers, they dropped a couple of percent in the last week or two.  it might have something to do with the stupid Hunter Biden story.  don't know.

so, we are left with two very weak front runners.  the difference i see between the two is that it is UNLIKELY that Biden will weaken in the next year, and it is LIKELY that Trump will.  having said that, awful things can happen.

I was afraid we would have a recession and that would tank Biden’s chances of winning but the economy geeks are saying we may have actually avoided a recession. 

And I still wonder about the ‘favorability’ ratings for Trump. My SIL and MIL are Trump fans, and they think Trump is being treated horribly. However, both are going to vote for Ron DeSantis, last I talked to them. 

The MAGA folks may feel sorry for Trump, and angry at the way he’s being treated, but will they vote for him? I’m not sure. I think there’s a certain amount of fatigue setting in. 

i will point out, as someone did earlier in this thread, that "favorability" is not the same thing as "approval".

since Trump is politically "unemployed", there is no JOB to judge him for.  he is not doing shit, other than whining and losing in court.  therefore, this could be considered a "sympathy" nod- "would you have a beer with him?".  that is the question.  

here is an article that was posted at CNN in 2018:





Bush holds a majority favorable rating among every demographic group but liberals



He spoke out against Trump about bigotry and white supremacy in 2017



Washington

CNN

—

George W. Bush has turned his unpopularity upside down.



Six in 10 Americans, 61%, say they now have a favorable view of the 43rd President of the United States in the latest CNN poll conducted by SSRS, nearly double the 33% who gave him a favorable mark when he left the White House in January 2009.

i wouldn't say that i have a favorable view of Bush, unless you are comparing him to Trump.  but that 61% rating is better than he had his entire second term.  so, these numbers tend to run a bit better than approval numbers.  maybe a LOT better.  i thought at one time favorability and approval were polled at the same time, but i can't seem to find any data right now.  if you can, post it.

[tbop77]

Can't quit laughing!  

Advice for Trump:

"Voters in a general election want to vote for a winner, not a whiner," she continued. "So please, for the love of God, stop talking about 2020. That will not bring a single voter out to support you who didn't support you before. You need to grow the pot, not shrink it."

Advice for DeSantis:


Ingraham offered a different set of advice to Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, Trump's closest GOP rival for 2024, urging the governor to stop touting his accomplishments in Florida while campaigning nationally and to loosen his campaign's laser focus on "woke" issues.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-host-calls-trump-a-whiner-begs-him-to-stop-talking-about-2020/ar-AA1ebQIx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bacb266cc2ca4becbeb6e5013f2f9456&ei=48

Grown men running for President of the US and a TV personality has to explain what losers they are~  

[djAdvocate]

she is a decent observer of core issues with the GOP.  i will grant her that.

unfortunately, she is talking to two men who never listen to women.

[djAdvocate]

i figured out why Biden fell 2%.  it was due to a single outlying poll from an agency i have never heard of before:


projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/20230717_US_Premise.pdf


the further that disappears into the rear-view, the more stable his polling looks,  that poll was about 5% below every other poll to date.

[tbop77]

But there’s something else revealing about the candidates’ emporiums of red meat. In the modern GOP, owning the libs is what sells.



Once the “party of new ideas,” the culture wars are the new platform, not simply a plank.


www.politico.com/news/2023/07/23/gop-primary-merch-sells-00107677

Will the conservative platform of hating everyone work?  Trump will always have his MAGA mob to support him.  Just don't see how their hate campaign is going to win mostly normal people.