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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 9, 2022 10:05:47 GMT -5
These loud mouth republicans should listen to what they are saying. Everything is relevant to trumps term. Hypocrites.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2022 10:15:32 GMT -5
Had Republicans had a Come-To-Jesus intervention with Trump when they knew his public and private behavior was crossing the line for a president of the United States, the F.B.I. would not have been knocking on Mar-a-lago's door with a search warrant. Republicans have only themselves to blame. Republicans speak out against FBI raid of Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
Since news broke that the FBI searched former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate on Monday, a growing number of Republicans have spoken out against the raid. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., took to Twitter, posting a statement that read in part: "I've seen enough." "The Department of Justice has reached an intolerable state of weaponized politicization," McCarthy continued. "When Republicans take back the House, we will conduct immediate oversight of this department, follow the facts, and leave no stone unturned." Rest of article here: Republicans speak out against FBI raid of Trump's Mar-a-Lago estateGreat, we’ll get eleventy-nine BENGAZI ! Style GOP show trials and end up finding out one of the FBI agents left scuff marks on Trumps’ rare white Italian marble foyer floor, and it’s Pelosis fault.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 9, 2022 10:48:45 GMT -5
Not like they have a platform or any plans to do any con structive work if they gain control. Need to find something to fill your time. How would they earn their salaries if they didn't hold hearings.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2022 11:31:41 GMT -5
I also went to visit Fox to hear the snowflakes gnash their teeth about how horrible this is. Invading his house!! When he isn’t even there!!! They’re trying to create some kind of charge to keep him from running again!!! Where did all that rage and indignation go when Hillary was discovered to have sent some documents that were later called ‘classified’ through her private home email server? Remember ‘lock her up?’ Now hauling classified documents away in boxes and stashing them at your club, only returning them (or at least some of them) when told to - that’s perfectly fine and not at all jail worthy? The GOP hypocrisy is limitless. This takes it to new heights. Republicans used to be for law and order. it is what Nixon ran on.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 9, 2022 12:01:04 GMT -5
Not like they have a platform or any plans to do any con structive work if they gain control. Need to find something to fill your time. How would they earn their salaries if they didn't hold hearings. Sure they do. - Take away medical autonomy from women
- Take away medical autonomy from families
- Rescind spousal rights
- Remove the right for individuals to live the way they want to live
- Approve the slaughter of innocent children and individuals
- Pave the way to dictatorship
- Gaslight Americans
- Obstruct voting rights
- Shred the constitution except for the 2nd Amendment
- Force American "Christianity" upon all citizens.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 9, 2022 14:39:54 GMT -5
I heard today, his followers don't even know about the hearings and the findings as none of it is covered or mentioned on fox or far right news. So yep, ignorant and that is dangerous, they say some are calling for a civil war. Think it will happen eventually. But whomever gets control of the military will win.
I am really scared about him getting in and all the harm he did. A lot has been undone but imagine if he had been in 4 more years. He needs to go, far, far, far away.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2022 14:55:26 GMT -5
Several different far right talking heads are saying this will guarantee Trump will win in 2024.
I don’t think it will. Yes it has ignited a bonfire with the Trump minions who have ignored the J6 hearing and who are buying the Trump Big Lie, but those voters were already lost to democracy.
The moderates and independent voters who have been following news that isn’t right wing propaganda know this is not presidential harassment, this is a follow up to the previously revealed crime of carting documents home to Mar a Lago - which Trump did not deny happened (but blamed the filing clerks).
Did Nixon garner a lot of sympathy and support when he got caught with the tapes? I don’t think he did. Of course that was then and this is now, but I don’t think this will inspire and new minions to climb on the clown car.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 9, 2022 15:20:57 GMT -5
Several different far right talking heads are saying this will guarantee Trump will win in 2024. I don’t think it will. Yes it has ignited a bonfire with the Trump minions who have ignored the J6 hearing and who are buying the Trump Big Lie, but those voters were already lost to democracy. The moderates and independent voters who have been following news that isn’t right wing propaganda know this is not presidential harassment, this is a follow up to the previously revealed crime of carting documents home to Mar a Lago - which Trump did not deny happened (but blamed the filing clerks). Did Nixon garner a lot of sympathy and support when he got caught with the tapes? I don’t think he did. Of course that was then and this is now, but I don’t think this will inspire and new minions to climb on the clown car. I am not sure about the wording "caught with the tapes". The tapes were not the issue. What was recorded on the tapes was what lost Nixon his supporters. I think it is possible but incredibly unlike that any of the documents that were seized in the raid are Trump hand written notes in which he discusses personal involvement in criminal activity - which would be the equivalent of what the tapes revealed. I think only if the raid leads to an attempt to prosecute Trump on improper handling of classified documents or, even worse, not turning over "presidential documents" to the archives will the raid have legs.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2022 16:07:50 GMT -5
Several different far right talking heads are saying this will guarantee Trump will win in 2024. I don’t think it will. Yes it has ignited a bonfire with the Trump minions who have ignored the J6 hearing and who are buying the Trump Big Lie, but those voters were already lost to democracy. The moderates and independent voters who have been following news that isn’t right wing propaganda know this is not presidential harassment, this is a follow up to the previously revealed crime of carting documents home to Mar a Lago - which Trump did not deny happened (but blamed the filing clerks). Did Nixon garner a lot of sympathy and support when he got caught with the tapes? I don’t think he did. Of course that was then and this is now, but I don’t think this will inspire and new minions to climb on the clown car. I am not sure about the wording "caught with the tapes". The tapes were not the issue. What was recorded on the tapes was what lost Nixon his supporters. I think it is possible but incredibly unlike that any of the documents that were seized in the raid are Trump hand written notes in which he discusses personal involvement in criminal activity - which would be the equivalent of what the tapes revealed. I think only if the raid leads to an attempt to prosecute Trump on improper handling of classified documents or, even worse, not turning over "presidential documents" to the archives will the raid have legs. I agree. Saw an article that said the FBI said classified documents were found but 1) would they really announce that publicly that way? And 2) would they have time to sift through their haul so quickly? I don’t think so - for either. We need to patiently wait. I think we’re allowed to smile while we wait though.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2022 16:10:40 GMT -5
Also for those of us who have MAGA relatives, both the judge who signed the warrant and the head of the FBI were hand picked Trump appointees.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2022 16:14:48 GMT -5
I have a legal question. They opened Trumps safe. Would they be limited to reviewing only documents that appeared to be missing WH documents (I’m assuming the warrants only covered those) or if they found evidence of another crime (say, a ledger labeled ‘ ‘second set of books’ ) would they be able to take (or at least look at) those too?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2022 16:20:02 GMT -5
Several different far right talking heads are saying this will guarantee Trump will win in 2024. I don’t think it will. Yes it has ignited a bonfire with the Trump minions who have ignored the J6 hearing and who are buying the Trump Big Lie, but those voters were already lost to democracy. The moderates and independent voters who have been following news that isn’t right wing propaganda know this is not presidential harassment, this is a follow up to the previously revealed crime of carting documents home to Mar a Lago - which Trump did not deny happened (but blamed the filing clerks). Did Nixon garner a lot of sympathy and support when he got caught with the tapes? I don’t think he did. Of course that was then and this is now, but I don’t think this will inspire and new minions to climb on the clown car. he might have trouble signing bills, since they don't allow pens in prison.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2022 16:21:36 GMT -5
I have a legal question. They opened Trumps safe. Would they be limited to reviewing only documents that appeared to be missing WH documents (I’m assuming the warrants only covered those) or if they found evidence of another crime (say, a ledger labeled ‘ ‘second set of books’ ) would they be able to take (or at least look at) those too? no. anything that is uncovered during seizure (that is covered by the warrant) can be used against him. in other words, if the warrant covered "house and grounds", and they discovered bodies in the yard, that would be covered. if it covered "house" then ANYTHING in the house could be seized and used as evidence against him, even if it were NOT part of the ongoing matter. if it covered "bedroom" and they found shit in the kitchen, so long as it was not necessary to pass through the kitchen to get to the bedroom, the evidence could be excluded.
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Post by Opti on Aug 9, 2022 16:49:21 GMT -5
Several different far right talking heads are saying this will guarantee Trump will win in 2024. I don’t think it will. Yes it has ignited a bonfire with the Trump minions who have ignored the J6 hearing and who are buying the Trump Big Lie, but those voters were already lost to democracy. The moderates and independent voters who have been following news that isn’t right wing propaganda know this is not presidential harassment, this is a follow up to the previously revealed crime of carting documents home to Mar a Lago - which Trump did not deny happened (but blamed the filing clerks). Did Nixon garner a lot of sympathy and support when he got caught with the tapes? I don’t think he did. Of course that was then and this is now, but I don’t think this will inspire and new minions to climb on the clown car. I am not sure about the wording "caught with the tapes". The tapes were not the issue. What was recorded on the tapes was what lost Nixon his supporters. I think it is possible but incredibly unlike that any of the documents that were seized in the raid are Trump hand written notes in which he discusses personal involvement in criminal activity - which would be the equivalent of what the tapes revealed. I think only if the raid leads to an attempt to prosecute Trump on improper handling of classified documents or, even worse, not turning over "presidential documents" to the archives will the raid have legs. The good stuff was flushed down the toilet during his Presidency after a good 10 or 11 flushes.
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Post by Opti on Aug 9, 2022 16:50:21 GMT -5
Several different far right talking heads are saying this will guarantee Trump will win in 2024. I don’t think it will. Yes it has ignited a bonfire with the Trump minions who have ignored the J6 hearing and who are buying the Trump Big Lie, but those voters were already lost to democracy. The moderates and independent voters who have been following news that isn’t right wing propaganda know this is not presidential harassment, this is a follow up to the previously revealed crime of carting documents home to Mar a Lago - which Trump did not deny happened (but blamed the filing clerks). Did Nixon garner a lot of sympathy and support when he got caught with the tapes? I don’t think he did. Of course that was then and this is now, but I don’t think this will inspire and new minions to climb on the clown car. he might have trouble signing bills, since they don't allow pens in prison. What about Sharpies?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2022 17:02:24 GMT -5
he might have trouble signing bills, since they don't allow pens in prison. What about Sharpies? you got me, there.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2022 17:45:55 GMT -5
trump now has the warrant in his hands.
trump - release the warrant now for public view.
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2022 18:22:37 GMT -5
I have a legal question. They opened Trumps safe. Would they be limited to reviewing only documents that appeared to be missing WH documents (I’m assuming the warrants only covered those) or if they found evidence of another crime (say, a ledger labeled ‘ ‘second set of books’ ) would they be able to take (or at least look at) those too? Yes. They would have to apply for another warrant for the things they didn’t expect to find.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2022 19:16:49 GMT -5
I have a legal question. They opened Trumps safe. Would they be limited to reviewing only documents that appeared to be missing WH documents (I’m assuming the warrants only covered those) or if they found evidence of another crime (say, a ledger labeled ‘ ‘second set of books’ ) would they be able to take (or at least look at) those too? Yes. They would have to apply for another warrant for the things they didn’t expect to find. Hmmm. I’m imagining what might be in his safe. Bet we’ll find out eventually.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2022 19:19:39 GMT -5
trump now has the warrant in his hands. trump - release the warrant now for public view. Are warrants thing you can ask for under the Freedom of information act? I thought they were.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2022 19:21:22 GMT -5
I have a legal question. They opened Trumps safe. Would they be limited to reviewing only documents that appeared to be missing WH documents (I’m assuming the warrants only covered those) or if they found evidence of another crime (say, a ledger labeled ‘ ‘second set of books’ ) would they be able to take (or at least look at) those too? Yes. They would have to apply for another warrant for the things they didn’t expect to find. Using the example of a ledger wss found in the safe by the F.B.I. but it was not noted in the original warrant, and they would need another warrant to take it, what would happen if trump threw the ledger into the fireplace and burned it knowing a warrant for its discovery was coming soon?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2022 19:29:40 GMT -5
Yes. They would have to apply for another warrant for the things they didn’t expect to find. Hmmm. I’m imagining what might be in his safe. Bet we’ll find out eventually. A different nude picture of Alex Jones' wife; similar to the photo Jones sent to Roger Stone which was part of the download from Jones' phone which accidentally was sent to the Sandy Hook lawyer(s).
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2022 20:15:08 GMT -5
Yes. They would have to apply for another warrant for the things they didn’t expect to find. Using the example of a ledger wss found in the safe by the F.B.I. but it was not noted in the original warrant, and they would need another warrant to take it, what would happen if trump threw the ledger into the fireplace and burned it knowing a warrant for its discovery was coming soon? Officers stand by the unexpected stuff while a few others go get another warrant.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2022 20:17:08 GMT -5
Using the example of a ledger wss found in the safe by the F.B.I. but it was not noted in the original warrant, and they would need another warrant to take it, what would happen if trump threw the ledger into the fireplace and burned it knowing a warrant for its discovery was coming soon? Officers stand by the unexpected stuff while a few others go get another warrant. Cool. Thanks.
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2022 20:20:08 GMT -5
trump now has the warrant in his hands. trump - release the warrant now for public view. Are warrants thing you can ask for under the Freedom of information act? I thought they were. Depends. If no charges or nothing found they are sealed. If charges filed, it generally doesn’t get released while a case is pending. Once a case is resolved it can usually be obtained.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 10, 2022 9:30:57 GMT -5
Would not surprise me. Not at all. Anything for a buck. An author who ghostwrote one of Trump's books speculates Trump may've taken White House documents to one day sell as presidential memorabilia*A man who helped Donald Trump write a book has a theory why Trump may've taken White House records. *Charles Leerhsen speculated Trump might've taken documents to sell as "presidential memorabilia." *"If there's a grift to be grifted, he's gonna grift it," Leerhsen told Newsweek. An author who once helped Donald Trump write a book has a theory on why the former president might've taken some documents from the White House. Charles Leerhsen, a ghostwriter who got contributing credit on the cover of Trump's book "Surviving at the Top," weighed in on the FBI's unannounced search of Mar-a-Lago on Monday. The reason for the FBI raid wasn't immediately clear, thought reports indicated it was probably related to government documents that Trump may've brought to his Florida residence after leaving the White House. The National Archives asked the Department of Justice in February to investigate whether Trump broke the law by taking government records to Mar-a-Lago. "As a former Trump ghostwriter (mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa) I feel obligated to point out that Trump may have taken documents that he intended to sell as presidential memorabilia," Leerhsen said. Speaking with Newsweek, Leerhsen said he had seen how Trump earned his money even before going into politics, adding that the former president wasn't above "groveling." Leerhsen acknowledged, per Newsweek, that he didn't have firsthand knowledge about whether Trump took documents from the White House but speculated that Trump might've wanted to keep pieces of paper he signed or other collectible items. Leerhsen and representatives for Trump didn't immediately respond to requests for comment from Insider. "If there's a grift to be grifted, he's gonna grift it," Leerhsen told Newsweek. "He has this very basic sense that he might be able to pawn it off on someone." He added that he once had a "firsthand sense" of Trump's "avariciousness and his personality." "Like everyone else, I watched things get worse and spiral out of control," Leerhsen told Newsweek. An author who ghostwrote one of Trump's books speculates Trump may've taken White House documents to one day sell as presidential memorabilia
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 10, 2022 10:34:41 GMT -5
Are warrants thing you can ask for under the Freedom of information act? I thought they were. Depends. If no charges or nothing found they are sealed. If charges filed, it generally doesn’t get released while a case is pending. Once a case is resolved it can usually be obtained. if Trump wanted to prove it was a witch hunt, he could release them NOW.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 10, 2022 10:36:31 GMT -5
jeez, does Leerhsen only write about assholes? I'm legit in the middle of reading his book on Ty Cobb - link
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Post by swamp on Aug 10, 2022 10:36:51 GMT -5
Depends. If no charges or nothing found they are sealed. If charges filed, it generally doesn’t get released while a case is pending. Once a case is resolved it can usually be obtained. if Trump wanted to prove it was a witch hunt, he could release them NOW. exactly. he gets a copy of the warrant There is no reason he can't release it. I'm sure he will release it when he releases his tax returns, and when he gets us that magnificent health care plan that was coming 6 years ago.
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Post by swamp on Aug 10, 2022 10:37:20 GMT -5
jeez, does Leerhsen only write about assholes? I'm legit in the middle of reading his book on Ty Cobb - linkIt's probably much more interesting than writing about nice people.
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