Article about white supremacists arrested on route to Pride

[teen persuasion]

Jun 16, 2022 13:27:51 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Jun 16, 2022 12:39:13 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

And we wonder why some teens are feeling so threatened that they buy guns, as soon as they are legally able to, and begin shooting people. Hmm, now what has changed in the recent past, compared to our childhoods?

I don't get what you mean?

Sorry. 

Reading Tenn's post, it just struck me how much the kids must feel like they are under attack. 

And then my mind shifted back to another thread about the Uvalde and Buffalo shootings where a certain poster wanted to figure out WHY teens were suddenly driven to shooting people up, and wanted to focus efforts at reducing gun violence on the people doing it, instead of restricting the access to the guns used.  If the guns have always been there (the claim), then what triggered the change in gun violence?

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Over the last few years, I’ve felt like me and my loved ones are under attack. I probably fit the description of an angry Black woman these days, but I didn’t go out shooting random people because of it. I’m a law abiding citizen, so I can buy as many guns as I want, but I would never just start shooting folks just because I can get my hands on a gun.

I know you specified “kids” but I have a Black son who also happens to be gay, so a double whammy for people hating him for no reason, and he’s never gone on a rampage killing people either. Even with all the obstacles and bullshit, I still never taught my children to hate people, even though I knew people hate us for no reason.

I feel like in this society, the Black male is the low man on the totem pole, even if he is straight. I believe with everything in me that the Black male strikes more fear in these crazy folks heart than anybody. Black women, we are desired and that is part of the hatred toward us. If we weren’t desired, there would not have been so many slave owners that raped their female slaves. And they still desire us. I know this for a fact. And hate us for it. But not as much as they hate and are threatened by Black men.

I don’t know what mental gymnastics people go through to be willing to harm people just because they are gay or transgender, but I think that for some white supremacists, it helps them be able to do what they do, by pretending to believe that Black people are less than humans, just animals. When they know damn well that we are humans just like they are and that’s just their excuse to try to harm us.

I think most people that have a strong negative reaction to gay people, are not secure in their own sexuality. I believe that their hatred is because of what they are repressing (or not) and don’t  want to acknowledge about themselves. Otherwise, why would it bother them so much when what other people do in their love lives has absolutely nothing to do with them personally?

[raeoflyte]

It's not an isolated incident. I struggle with the idea that free speech includes the right to suggest that all lgbtq people should be lined up and shot. That's not ok. Allowing and encouraging that language correlates to increase physical violence.

www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/17/lgbtq-pride-violence/

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 18, 2022 11:44:25 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

It's not an isolated incident. I struggle with the idea that free speech includes the right to suggest that all lgbtq people should be lined up and shot. That's not ok. Allowing and encouraging that language correlates to increase physical violence.

www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/17/lgbtq-pride-violence/

It's not supposed to. Free speech is supposed to mean I disagree openly with my government without fear of persecution.

It was not intended to be used for people to spout hate and intolerance and violence without any consequences and we need to deal with it.

Like other "rights" this one has been twisted over the years to serve sinister purposes.

[weltschmerz]

Jun 18, 2022 11:44:25 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

It's not an isolated incident. I struggle with the idea that free speech includes the right to suggest that all lgbtq people should be lined up and shot. That's not ok. Allowing and encouraging that language correlates to increase physical violence.

www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/17/lgbtq-pride-violence/

We have hate speech laws here. You can say you don't like gay/black people and shout it from the rooftops.  However, inciting violence against gay/black people is illegal.
Inciting violence in any sphere is illegal.

[raeoflyte]

This is really what I'm feeling.

www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-06-14/idaho-pride-patriot-front-young-white-supremacists-racisms

[finnime]

raeoflyte, thanks for posting that oped. I'm learning.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

We know why Republicans are slow to address it. Its their entire platform anymore.

Eventually old people will die so you need young people to vote for you. That can't happen if you don't allow your "traditional family values" to be passed on.

What disturbs me is I can't tell if some of these Republicans actually believe the crap they say or are so soulless and unprincipled that they're willineg to say and do anything resulting in destroying the country for the sake of earning a vote

[pulmonarymd]

It’s likely both. Some, like McConnell, are soulless and just want to stay in power. Others truly believe this shit. Not sure which is worse

[Tennesseer]

Jun 18, 2022 23:00:09 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

This is really what I'm feeling.

www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-06-14/idaho-pride-patriot-front-young-white-supremacists-racisms

Behind a pay wall. Can you locate any other websites carrying the article? TYIA.

EDIT: Found a website.

LZ Granderson: There's a whole new generation of white supremacists

[Tennesseer]

Jun 19, 2022 11:27:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 18, 2022 23:00:09 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

This is really what I'm feeling.

www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-06-14/idaho-pride-patriot-front-young-white-supremacists-racisms

Behind a pay wall. Can you locate any other websites carrying the article? TYIA.

EDIT: Found a website.

LZ Granderson: There's a whole new generation of white supremacists

Letters to the Editor: A retired teacher wonders if her curricula pushed white supremacy

To the editor: Sometimes LZ Granderson's framing of an issue smacks me right in the forehead. His column, "There's a whole new generation of white supremacists," focusing on the fact that the recent perpetrators of racist attacks have largely been young and fresh out of our education system, was one of those times.

As a public school teacher in the 1970s, was I teaching a white supremacist curriculum? I now have to ponder my teaching career in a whole new light. This 74-year-old white woman has work to do.

To Granderson, I say thank you for saying so clearly what I had been missing: that the issue-centered crabbing about critical race theory or drag queen story hour veils what lies underneath, as if the underlying, existing curriculum were God's chosen curriculum.

As my husband, who taught history of religion at UCLA for 30 years, often says of the doctrine that hardens around any religion, "We made this stuff up, we can change it." Granderson ripped the veil off the standard curriculum. We made this stuff up. We can change it.

Nancy Breuer, West Hills

Letters to the Editor: A retired teacher wonders if her curricula pushed white supremacy

[raeoflyte]

Jun 20, 2022 10:12:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 19, 2022 11:27:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Behind a pay wall. Can you locate any other websites carrying the article? TYIA.

EDIT: Found a website.

LZ Granderson: There's a whole new generation of white supremacists

Letters to the Editor: A retired teacher wonders if her curricula pushed white supremacy

To the editor: Sometimes LZ Granderson's framing of an issue smacks me right in the forehead. His column, "There's a whole new generation of white supremacists," focusing on the fact that the recent perpetrators of racist attacks have largely been young and fresh out of our education system, was one of those times.

As a public school teacher in the 1970s, was I teaching a white supremacist curriculum? I now have to ponder my teaching career in a whole new light. This 74-year-old white woman has work to do.

To Granderson, I say thank you for saying so clearly what I had been missing: that the issue-centered crabbing about critical race theory or drag queen story hour veils what lies underneath, as if the underlying, existing curriculum were God's chosen curriculum.

As my husband, who taught history of religion at UCLA for 30 years, often says of the doctrine that hardens around any religion, "We made this stuff up, we can change it." Granderson ripped the veil off the standard curriculum. We made this stuff up. We can change it.

Nancy Breuer, West Hills

Letters to the Editor: A retired teacher wonders if her curricula pushed white supremacy

That is an amazingly enlightened teacher to be able to question her own role.

Current school curriculum still pushes a "white agenda". I about died when I saw what the kids brought home about Columbus and Thanksgiving. I'm curious to see how that progresses into middle school and high school and hope they do better.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 20, 2022 10:22:33 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Jun 20, 2022 10:12:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Letters to the Editor: A retired teacher wonders if her curricula pushed white supremacy

To the editor: Sometimes LZ Granderson's framing of an issue smacks me right in the forehead. His column, "There's a whole new generation of white supremacists," focusing on the fact that the recent perpetrators of racist attacks have largely been young and fresh out of our education system, was one of those times.

As a public school teacher in the 1970s, was I teaching a white supremacist curriculum? I now have to ponder my teaching career in a whole new light. This 74-year-old white woman has work to do.

To Granderson, I say thank you for saying so clearly what I had been missing: that the issue-centered crabbing about critical race theory or drag queen story hour veils what lies underneath, as if the underlying, existing curriculum were God's chosen curriculum.

As my husband, who taught history of religion at UCLA for 30 years, often says of the doctrine that hardens around any religion, "We made this stuff up, we can change it." Granderson ripped the veil off the standard curriculum. We made this stuff up. We can change it.

Nancy Breuer, West Hills

Letters to the Editor: A retired teacher wonders if her curricula pushed white supremacy

That is an amazingly enlightened teacher to be able to question her own role.

Current school curriculum still pushes a "white agenda". I about died when I saw what the kids brought home about Columbus and Thanksgiving. I'm curious to see how that progresses into middle school and high school and hope they do better.

Ummm. . .hate to break it to you. 

I had the same reaction about Thanksgiving.  I had to check the publication date because I was convinced it had to be the same edition I used no way in 2022 are we still trying to claim Pilgrims and Indians were BFFs.   I really winced at the descriptions of slavery too.

I will say that I remember Iowa schools doing an excellent job covering the Holocaust at least but IDK if that has changed with us becoming increasingly red that starts in 7th-8th grade and we're not there yet.  My HS did a really good job covering the civil rights movement as well but again IDK if that has changed.  It wouldn't surprise me given there have been talks about putting cameras in classrooms so parents can monitor what their kids are learning in the name of "protecting" the children.

[raeoflyte]

Jun 20, 2022 10:27:47 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jun 20, 2022 10:22:33 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

That is an amazingly enlightened teacher to be able to question her own role.

Current school curriculum still pushes a "white agenda". I about died when I saw what the kids brought home about Columbus and Thanksgiving. I'm curious to see how that progresses into middle school and high school and hope they do better.

Ummm. . .hate to break it to you. 

I had the same reaction about Thanksgiving.  I had to check the publication date because I was convinced it had to be the same edition I used no way in 2022 are we still trying to claim Pilgrims and Indians were BFFs.   I really winced at the descriptions of slavery too.

I will say that I remember Iowa schools doing an excellent job covering the Holocaust at least but IDK if that has changed with us becoming increasingly red that starts in 7th-8th grade and we're not there yet.  My HS did a really good job covering the civil rights movement as well but again IDK if that has changed.  It wouldn't surprise me given there have been talks about putting cameras in classrooms so parents can monitor what their kids are learning in the name of "protecting" the children.

Same here. I assume the holocaust was easier to cover because we were the saviors in that story.

I don't remember much about the civil rights movement in school, and what I do rememberis that the lesson was it was over, protests worked and everything is good now. We had graphic lessons about slavery that weren't sugar coated, but nothing about what happened when slavery was abolished and how that was the beginning of our current prison system.

I haven't seen much specifically about crt being opposed in our local schools, but that's my biggest concern. Especially for ds, I want him to have a few voices reiterating the work that still needs to be done.

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I’ve said before that when my son moved to Texas, he was shocked and appalled that white people said in front of him that slavery was a choice, they came to America for work opportunities. 

If I did say it here, I might not have said exactly where DS was, but since he doesn’t live there anymore, I’m okay now with saying it was in Texas.

And the people that had the audacity to say it TO or in front of DS, a Black man, really believed what they were saying because that’s what they had been taught.

He moved to Texas in 2014 or 2015 (I can’t remember exactly), and Texans were still that ignorant and uninformed from back then, until now. And after paying attention these last few years, I know that it’s not just where DS lived that had ignorant people living there, there a lot of ignorant AND stupid people living in that state.

There are many of the same kind of people in the state I live in, and the states bordering where I live. But I am glad DS is no longer in Texas and is living closer to me and other people that love him, where somebody can have his back if things get crazy.

I don’t really understand why we have to pass laws to make people treat each other with dignity and respect. Or shit, just ignore them if that’s the best you can do when your only problem with them is that they don’t look like you, or they aren’t attracted to the gender you think they should be attracted to. 

Worry about your own love life before you worry about what consenting adults do. 

I’m willing to bet a chunk of money that all these people that are so worried about who other people love, are either single or in an unhappy and/or unhealthy relationship or marriage where they are just going through the motions, at best. Because I sincerely believe that happy people who are at peace with themselves and their lives, do not make it their business to try to make other good people unhappy.

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Jun 21, 2022 18:45:47 GMT -5 @pinkcshmere said:

I’ve said before that when my son moved to Texas, he was shocked and appalled that white people said in front of him that slavery was a choice, they came to America for work opportunities. 

If I did say it here, I might not have said exactly where DS was, but since he doesn’t live there anymore, I’m okay now with saying it was in Texas.

And the people that had the audacity to say it TO or in front of DS, a Black man, really believed what they were saying because that’s what they had been taught.

He moved to Texas in 2014 or 2015 (I can’t remember exactly), and Texans were still that ignorant and uninformed from back then, until now. And after paying attention these last few years, I know that it’s not just where DS lived that had ignorant people living there, there a lot of ignorant AND stupid people living in that state.

There are many of the same kind of people in the state I live in, and the states bordering where I live. But I am glad DS is no longer in Texas and is living closer to me and other people that love him, where somebody can have his back if things get crazy.

I don’t really understand why we have to pass laws to make people treat each other with dignity and respect. Or shit, just ignore them if that’s the best you can do when your only problem with them is that they don’t look like you, or they aren’t attracted to the gender you think they should be attracted to. 

Worry about your own love life before you worry about what consenting adults do. 

I’m willing to bet a chunk of money that all these people that are so worried about who other people love, are either single or in an unhappy and/or unhealthy relationship or marriage where they are just going through the motions, at best. Because I sincerely believe that happy people who are at peace with themselves and their lives, do not make it their business to try to make other good people unhappy.

I chewed on stories about the Juneteenth stuff happening locally.  I don't drive well enough to attend any of the big events, and same goes for the Pride events this coming weekend.   I bitch and moan about my state, and we have so many miles yet to walk, but I'm joyous about where we are due to those across the spectrum of color and gender who have brought us to this point where we have Juneteenth as a holiday and have Pride Weekend.  We talk here a lot about "adulting" and maybe that's what it means to look beyond what your folks said, look to the next level of what could be 

[jerseygirl]

Pink
Really?? Work opportunities?
How bizarrely stupid
Glad your DS moved from TX

[raeoflyte]

Jun 21, 2022 18:45:47 GMT -5 @pinkcshmere said:

I’ve said before that when my son moved to Texas, he was shocked and appalled that white people said in front of him that slavery was a choice, they came to America for work opportunities. 

If I did say it here, I might not have said exactly where DS was, but since he doesn’t live there anymore, I’m okay now with saying it was in Texas.

And the people that had the audacity to say it TO or in front of DS, a Black man, really believed what they were saying because that’s what they had been taught.

He moved to Texas in 2014 or 2015 (I can’t remember exactly), and Texans were still that ignorant and uninformed from back then, until now. And after paying attention these last few years, I know that it’s not just where DS lived that had ignorant people living there, there a lot of ignorant AND stupid people living in that state.

There are many of the same kind of people in the state I live in, and the states bordering where I live. But I am glad DS is no longer in Texas and is living closer to me and other people that love him, where somebody can have his back if things get crazy.

I don’t really understand why we have to pass laws to make people treat each other with dignity and respect. Or shit, just ignore them if that’s the best you can do when your only problem with them is that they don’t look like you, or they aren’t attracted to the gender you think they should be attracted to. 

Worry about your own love life before you worry about what consenting adults do. 

I’m willing to bet a chunk of money that all these people that are so worried about who other people love, are either single or in an unhappy and/or unhealthy relationship or marriage where they are just going through the motions, at best. Because I sincerely believe that happy people who are at peace with themselves and their lives, do not make it their business to try to make other good people unhappy.

I'm trying to pick my jaw off the floor.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 21, 2022 21:28:02 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Jun 21, 2022 18:45:47 GMT -5 @pinkcshmere said:

I’ve said before that when my son moved to Texas, he was shocked and appalled that white people said in front of him that slavery was a choice, they came to America for work opportunities. 

If I did say it here, I might not have said exactly where DS was, but since he doesn’t live there anymore, I’m okay now with saying it was in Texas.

And the people that had the audacity to say it TO or in front of DS, a Black man, really believed what they were saying because that’s what they had been taught.

He moved to Texas in 2014 or 2015 (I can’t remember exactly), and Texans were still that ignorant and uninformed from back then, until now. And after paying attention these last few years, I know that it’s not just where DS lived that had ignorant people living there, there a lot of ignorant AND stupid people living in that state.

There are many of the same kind of people in the state I live in, and the states bordering where I live. But I am glad DS is no longer in Texas and is living closer to me and other people that love him, where somebody can have his back if things get crazy.

I don’t really understand why we have to pass laws to make people treat each other with dignity and respect. Or shit, just ignore them if that’s the best you can do when your only problem with them is that they don’t look like you, or they aren’t attracted to the gender you think they should be attracted to. 

Worry about your own love life before you worry about what consenting adults do. 

I’m willing to bet a chunk of money that all these people that are so worried about who other people love, are either single or in an unhappy and/or unhealthy relationship or marriage where they are just going through the motions, at best. Because I sincerely believe that happy people who are at peace with themselves and their lives, do not make it their business to try to make other good people unhappy.

I'm trying to pick my jaw off the floor.

Austin supposedly has a 'live and let live' 'liberal' reputation.

[finnime]

I think that's a deliberately cruel message for Texas to teach. It obviates an entire people's actual experience and blows away the terrible harm done by slavery to enslaved people. Of course, Texas is where Juneteenth originated.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I'm going to leave this here because I think it's relevant to what we are talking about and it's an excellent contrast to the claim that it's a guy wearing a dog mask that is doing harm to society and must be stopped.


www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/opinions/eric-greitens-missouri-shotgun-ad-filipovic/index.html


The Republican Party has a gun problem and a misogyny problem, and both only seem to be getting worse. As the increasingly marginalized moderates of the GOP warn that their party is turning toward a conspiracy-driven and unhinged fringe, members of that fringe seem ascendant -- and determined to mire the nation in lies, hate and the glorification of gun violence.


This week, Eric Greitens, a Republican running for a US Senate seat in Missouri, released an ad in which he toted a shotgun and, flanked by camo-clad men carrying assault weapons, went "RINO hunting." RINOs are "Republicans in Name Only," or insufficiently radical, insufficiently pro-Trump Republicans. (Greitens has dismissed criticism of the video clip as "faux outrage," telling a St. Louis radio station that it has a sense of humor and calling the hunting of RINO politicians "a metaphor.")


Some of history's leading fascist movements used the strategy of armed volunteer militias intimidating, threatening and attacking political opponents. And the implications of Greitens' ad are stunning: Line up behind the most extreme right-wing policies -- and implicitly behind former President Donald Trump -- or be hunted down by armed, jackbooted thugs.

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Jun 21, 2022 21:28:02 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Jun 21, 2022 18:45:47 GMT -5 @pinkcshmere said:

I’ve said before that when my son moved to Texas, he was shocked and appalled that white people said in front of him that slavery was a choice, they came to America for work opportunities. 

If I did say it here, I might not have said exactly where DS was, but since he doesn’t live there anymore, I’m okay now with saying it was in Texas.

And the people that had the audacity to say it TO or in front of DS, a Black man, really believed what they were saying because that’s what they had been taught.

He moved to Texas in 2014 or 2015 (I can’t remember exactly), and Texans were still that ignorant and uninformed from back then, until now. And after paying attention these last few years, I know that it’s not just where DS lived that had ignorant people living there, there a lot of ignorant AND stupid people living in that state.

There are many of the same kind of people in the state I live in, and the states bordering where I live. But I am glad DS is no longer in Texas and is living closer to me and other people that love him, where somebody can have his back if things get crazy.

I don’t really understand why we have to pass laws to make people treat each other with dignity and respect. Or shit, just ignore them if that’s the best you can do when your only problem with them is that they don’t look like you, or they aren’t attracted to the gender you think they should be attracted to. 

Worry about your own love life before you worry about what consenting adults do. 

I’m willing to bet a chunk of money that all these people that are so worried about who other people love, are either single or in an unhappy and/or unhealthy relationship or marriage where they are just going through the motions, at best. Because I sincerely believe that happy people who are at peace with themselves and their lives, do not make it their business to try to make other good people unhappy.

I'm trying to pick my jaw off the floor.

Ikr! DS and my cousin that he moved to Texas with were shocked at a lot of stuff, and not in a good way.

[raeoflyte]

I love this show anyway, but really love how they handled Elliot Page's transition. www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/umbrella-academy-elliot-page-transition-season-3-1369326/