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Post by laterbloomer on Jun 24, 2022 9:22:44 GMT -5
That's only for *true* Christians. And, in my experience, that encompasses *very* few conservatives. The rest are "Christian" in name only. Their actions clearly show they're fakers. They pretend to be Christian so they have some justification for their moral outrage, because heaven forbid they just own the fact that they're bigots, racist, homophobes, etc. This seems very biased, similar to being a racist Thinking maybe you are basing this on what you read and who you read, not real people beyond maybe a small outlier group Try substituting some minority for Christian and you might recognize the vitriol No, people who identify as Christian are saying they follow the teachings of Christ. That is something that can be judged.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 24, 2022 9:32:45 GMT -5
I do understand your point, but I stand by my statement. Both IRL and here, I find the people who act/speak like what *I* consider to be Christian - kind, accepting of different lifestyles/cultures/religions, generous of themselves (just to name a few) - are the ones NOT waving an "I'M A CHRISTIAN!!!!" flag. They don't need a god to tell them how to be. They know right from wrong. Maybe they're Christian, maybe they're not. But they don't feel the need to constantly call attention to it either way. They simply let their actions speak for themselves.
98% of the "Christians" I encounter IRL or online are the exact opposite. They're small-minded and un-accepting. Extremely judgmental of others and always going on and on and onnnnnn about how they're Christian. Not sure who they're trying to convince, but it doesn't work on me.
I have nothing against religion of any sort. But FFS sake, WALK THE WALK. Most don't and their 'talk the talk' sucks too. That's my issue. Are there exceptions? Absolutely. But they're not too common. I’m thinking most ordinary people aren’t proclaiming they’re Christians but just go about running and helping food pantries , foster care kids, working with charities that help disabled etc etc or even just donating to these causes I’m glad you and tall guy are able to recognize that not all are hypocritical nasty people . Please think about how you’re speaking about these people. You surely don’t loudly proclaim all POC are criminals when only a minority are and the great majority are good and kind. Reflects poorly on you when you do the same with all‘Christians ‘. By the way are you referring to evangelicals, Catholics, Russian and Greek Orthodox, Baptists, Mormons, Episcopals etc? Because that is the way we talk about each other on 2022. Trump normalized it. We demonize each other. If Christians do not like the label, maybe they should speak out about it. Just like republicans want minorities to comment every time one of their own does something wrong. We no longer allow for nuance. It is all black and white, all good or bad. No in between. Look at all the people excusing all the bullying, name calling, and belittling Trump did and continues to do. If Christians want to be thought of as better than that, start with disavowing him.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jun 24, 2022 9:35:29 GMT -5
I used to identify as Christian. I don't anymore. I still like the teachings of Christ but I don't like the actions of the Christian leadership. From the Spanish Inquisition to Salem Witch trials, Residential Schools, curremt political avtivities and so on and so on...I don't endorse any of that and do not want to contribute to their defense in any way.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jun 24, 2022 9:39:41 GMT -5
That's only for *true* Christians. And, in my experience, that encompasses *very* few conservatives. The rest are "Christian" in name only. Their actions clearly show they're fakers. They pretend to be Christian so they have some justification for their moral outrage, because heaven forbid they just own the fact that they're bigots, racist, homophobes, etc. This seems very biased, similar to being a racist Thinking maybe you are basing this on what you read and who you read, not real people beyond maybe a small outlier group Try substituting some minority for Christian and you might recognize the vitriol Choosing a religion is not the same as being born with a certain level of melanin. Those are not in anyway comparable traits.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 24, 2022 9:46:58 GMT -5
it seems more plausible that conformists have low self esteem. they are hiding behind their pressed shirts and shiny shoes. drag queens are OUT THERE. that takes some courage. i admire it. I noticed Rip didn't finish college.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jun 24, 2022 10:06:35 GMT -5
This seems very biased, similar to being a racist Thinking maybe you are basing this on what you read and who you read, not real people beyond maybe a small outlier group Try substituting some minority for Christian and you might recognize the vitriol Choosing a religion is not the same as being born with a certain level of melanin. Those are not in anyway comparable traits. You said it much better than I could. Judging someone on things they cannot control is different than judging someones choices, actions, and words.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2022 10:06:58 GMT -5
I’m thinking most ordinary people aren’t proclaiming they’re Christians but just go about running and helping food pantries , foster care kids, working with charities that help disabled etc etc or even just donating to these causes I’m glad you and tall guy are able to recognize that not all are hypocritical nasty people . Please think about how you’re speaking about these people. You surely don’t loudly proclaim all POC are criminals when only a minority are and the great majority are good and kind. Reflects poorly on you when you do the same with all‘Christians ‘. By the way are you referring to evangelicals, Catholics, Russian and Greek Orthodox, Baptists, Mormons, Episcopals etc? Because that is the way we talk about each other on 2022. Trump normalized it. We demonize each other. If Christians do not like the label, maybe they should speak out about it. Just like republicans want minorities to comment every time one of their own does something wrong. We no longer allow for nuance. It is all black and white, all good or bad. No in between. Look at all the people excusing all the bullying, name calling, and belittling Trump did and continues to do. If Christians want to be thought of as better than that, start with disavowing him. this was one of the things i LOVED about living under Obama. we could have nuanced conversations about issues like race. it was really great. now it is all bashing each other over the head with shattered 40's. as they like to say in Russia, the fish rots from the head down.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2022 10:07:40 GMT -5
it seems more plausible that conformists have low self esteem. they are hiding behind their pressed shirts and shiny shoes. drag queens are OUT THERE. that takes some courage. i admire it. I noticed Rip didn't finish college. twice.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 24, 2022 10:08:53 GMT -5
I do understand your point, but I stand by my statement. Both IRL and here, I find the people who act/speak like what *I* consider to be Christian - kind, accepting of different lifestyles/cultures/religions, generous of themselves (just to name a few) - are the ones NOT waving an "I'M A CHRISTIAN!!!!" flag. They don't need a god to tell them how to be. They know right from wrong. Maybe they're Christian, maybe they're not. But they don't feel the need to constantly call attention to it either way. They simply let their actions speak for themselves.
98% of the "Christians" I encounter IRL or online are the exact opposite. They're small-minded and un-accepting. Extremely judgmental of others and always going on and on and onnnnnn about how they're Christian. Not sure who they're trying to convince, but it doesn't work on me.
I have nothing against religion of any sort. But FFS sake, WALK THE WALK. Most don't and their 'talk the talk' sucks too. That's my issue. Are there exceptions? Absolutely. But they're not too common. I’m thinking most ordinary people aren’t proclaiming they’re Christians but just go about running and helping food pantries , foster care kids, working with charities that help disabled etc etc or even just donating to these causes I’m glad you and tall guy are able to recognize that not all are hypocritical nasty people . Please think about how you’re speaking about these people. You surely don’t loudly proclaim all POC are criminals when only a minority are and the great majority are good and kind. Reflects poorly on you when you do the same with all‘Christians ‘. By the way are you referring to evangelicals, Catholics, Russian and Greek Orthodox, Baptists, Mormons, Episcopals etc? I live in the South. There are some businesses and political candidates who proclaim they are Christian. Why the dog whistle? Actions speak louder than mere words. A number of years ago, I needed some roof shingles replaced due to severe Spring storms. It was a monday when weather forecasters were predicting severe storms the upcoming Sunday. I contacted a roofer who said he could fix the roof the upcoming Friday and quoted me the repair price. I agreed to both date and price. I took Friday off from work. I waited all day and the roofer was a no call/no show. I called him Friday evening and he apologized. He said he wss busy all day and would come Saturday. Saturday came and went and again he was a no call/no show. By now it was too late to call someone else to fix the roof. So I called the same roofer to complain and he said he would come over after church on Sunday. Sunday came and the roofer showed up late morning. He fixed the roof. Once done, he presented me his bill. The bill was almost double what he quoted me. I asked him why. The roofer replied he doesn't work on Sundays so it was treated as an emergency repair. I disagreed with him but paid his price in disgust and to get rid of him. After he accepted him payment, he handed me his business card. He asked that I recommend him to others. His business card stated he was a Christian roofer. I threw his card in the trash because he was the furthest away from being a Christian. I know my story is anecdotal but it is not uncommon with a lot of 'Christian' business owners.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 24, 2022 10:24:03 GMT -5
I do understand your point, but I stand by my statement. Both IRL and here, I find the people who act/speak like what *I* consider to be Christian - kind, accepting of different lifestyles/cultures/religions, generous of themselves (just to name a few) - are the ones NOT waving an "I'M A CHRISTIAN!!!!" flag. They don't need a god to tell them how to be. They know right from wrong. Maybe they're Christian, maybe they're not. But they don't feel the need to constantly call attention to it either way. They simply let their actions speak for themselves.
98% of the "Christians" I encounter IRL or online are the exact opposite. They're small-minded and un-accepting. Extremely judgmental of others and always going on and on and onnnnnn about how they're Christian. Not sure who they're trying to convince, but it doesn't work on me.
I have nothing against religion of any sort. But FFS sake, WALK THE WALK. Most don't and their 'talk the talk' sucks too. That's my issue. Are there exceptions? Absolutely. But they're not too common. I’m thinking most ordinary people aren’t proclaiming they’re Christians but just go about running and helping food pantries , foster care kids, working with charities that help disabled etc etc or even just donating to these causes I’m glad you and tall guy are able to recognize that not all are hypocritical nasty people . Please think about how you’re speaking about these people. You surely don’t loudly proclaim all POC are criminals when only a minority are and the great majority are good and kind. Reflects poorly on you when you do the same with all‘Christians ‘. By the way are you referring to evangelicals, Catholics, Russian and Greek Orthodox, Baptists, Mormons, Episcopals etc? I am referring to anyone who feels the need to constantly proclaim they're Christian while not behaving as one.
**edit** and those who use that as an excuse for their outrage over things that do not concern themselves in any way - like abortion, someone's sexual preference or gender identity, etc. Said Christianity is just a way to be a judgemental twat in 'the name of the lord'. Give me a break and myofb.
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Post by daisylu on Jun 24, 2022 10:29:06 GMT -5
Who puts that on a business card??!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2022 10:54:20 GMT -5
Who puts that on a business card??!! 'Mericans
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Post by tallguy on Jun 24, 2022 11:15:00 GMT -5
I do understand your point, but I stand by my statement. Both IRL and here, I find the people who act/speak like what *I* consider to be Christian - kind, accepting of different lifestyles/cultures/religions, generous of themselves (just to name a few) - are the ones NOT waving an "I'M A CHRISTIAN!!!!" flag. They don't need a god to tell them how to be. They know right from wrong. Maybe they're Christian, maybe they're not. But they don't feel the need to constantly call attention to it either way. They simply let their actions speak for themselves.
98% of the "Christians" I encounter IRL or online are the exact opposite. They're small-minded and un-accepting. Extremely judgmental of others and always going on and on and onnnnnn about how they're Christian. Not sure who they're trying to convince, but it doesn't work on me.
I have nothing against religion of any sort. But FFS sake, WALK THE WALK. Most don't and their 'talk the talk' sucks too. That's my issue. Are there exceptions? Absolutely. But they're not too common. I’m thinking most ordinary people aren’t proclaiming they’re Christians but just go about running and helping food pantries , foster care kids, working with charities that help disabled etc etc or even just donating to these causes I’m glad you and tall guy are able to recognize that not all are hypocritical nasty people . Please think about how you’re speaking about these people. You surely don’t loudly proclaim all POC are criminals when only a minority are and the great majority are good and kind. Reflects poorly on you when you do the same with all‘Christians ‘. By the way are you referring to evangelicals, Catholics, Russian and Greek Orthodox, Baptists, Mormons, Episcopals etc? In fairness, "all" was never even implied in the post you quoted that began this arc. But it has been true for a long time that when religion and politics get mixed up it corrupts both of them. Even worse, it instills the idea that those persons are now politically on the side of what God wants, which is a very dangerous idea to hold. It is particularly dangerous when it is used more to justify one's own beliefs and biases. I still contend that most "leaders" want to exploit most believers. My grandmother, as an example, was one of the kindest, sweetest people to ever walk the earth, but she was not particularly knowledgeable about issues. Her faith was so important to her that I don't think she was capable of truly understanding that it wasn't that important to everyone who called themselves "Christian." Everyone who claimed to be Christian MUST be like her and her friends were, because nobody would lie about that, and Christians certainly wouldn't lie about that. Now, she was probably a product of her time, and people as a group nowadays are likely much more aware than that, but there are still a large number of people being exploited, either for their money or for their vote. True Christians are not trying to make a "name" for themselves. They are living their lives, living their beliefs, glorifying God with their actions, and being thankful for their blessings. If they become wealthy or famous, then great, but it is not the driving ambition that controls their lives. There was one particularly obnoxious poster here, who may still drop in on occasion, who would repeatedly in many threads tout his own faith and religiosity. To me, there could not possibly be any validity to it, and I am not generally one to question someone's faith. That poster, if any of his posts were to be believed, was the most vile person on these boards and the second-most vile person I have ever encountered on any board anywhere. Out of many thousands of posts, including at least hundreds specifically referencing his own Christianity, I only recall one that demonstrated ANY resemblance to what should be considered true Christian thought. The only thing I could think of was that he followed the so-called Prosperity Gospel, which turns Christianity itself upside-down and backward. (That also, by the way, is where Donald Trump chose his "spiritual advisors" from.) I would consider that type of hypocrisy to be one of the greatest sins there is. Not only is the greed totally un-Christian in itself, but the gross distortions about Christianity contained therein likely drive many people away from the church. We need to be vigilant, always, about things others tell us. The "world" is not good, and those of faith are more prone to being fooled by those seeking to exploit them.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 24, 2022 14:13:35 GMT -5
The wife of the car repair shop wrote an pro-life letter to the editor this week. He will no longer get my business.
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Post by scgal on Jun 26, 2022 15:21:22 GMT -5
these are the same people that have no problem normalizing gun use with shit like open carry. candidly, if there were 300M dildoes in the US rather than 300M guns, i think we would be in much better shape. There is probably more, hopefully. Not embarrassed to say I have a few, you won't see them displayed in a parade.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2022 0:45:05 GMT -5
these are the same people that have no problem normalizing gun use with shit like open carry. candidly, if there were 300M dildoes in the US rather than 300M guns, i think we would be in much better shape. There is probably more, hopefully. Not embarrassed to say I have a few, you won't see them displayed in a parade. why not? would it not be a more positive reflection of you and our society than displaying guns in a parade? disclosure: i own guns.
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Post by scgal on Jun 30, 2022 6:24:16 GMT -5
There is probably more, hopefully. Not embarrassed to say I have a few, you won't see them displayed in a parade. why not? would it not be a more positive reflection of you and our society than displaying guns in a parade? disclosure: i own guns. I don't think guns should be in parades, other than a military assembly
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 30, 2022 8:38:55 GMT -5
I caught a bit of Fox News at my mom's house. Now I know where the "dildos on their heads" comment came from. They showed a blip of some people naked on bikes using that to drum up hysteria that gay people are grooming your kids. They are aware that many counties do not have the same puritanical hysteria concerning nudity right? If that upset them better never go to Boulder, Colorado because I saw that in a public park on a random Tuesday. They were a nudist biking club. I think they were protesting something but I can't remember. It's not everyday you see 10 naked people on bikes go by so I was kinda focused on that.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 30, 2022 9:04:32 GMT -5
The naked bicyclists in Boulder have been around for years.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 30, 2022 11:08:19 GMT -5
I never understood the appeal of naked bicycling because I thought it would be very uncomfortable.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2022 17:52:23 GMT -5
We just had the "World Naked Bikeride" in our town a couple of weekends ago. They took a hiatus during Covid, but they are back. News said "hundreds" showed up.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jun 30, 2022 18:34:09 GMT -5
Who puts that on a business card??!! Huh. I'm not surprised by that being on a business card. I've seen many with Bible verses or Christian symbols on them (e.g., cross, fish, dove).
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jun 30, 2022 18:34:54 GMT -5
We just had the "World Naked Bikeride" in our town a couple of weekends ago. They took a hiatus during Covid, but they are back. News said "hundreds" showed up.
What! I thought Portland, Oregon had the World Naked Bikeride! There's more than one?!?!
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jun 30, 2022 18:35:15 GMT -5
I never understood the appeal of naked bicycling because I thought it would be very uncomfortable. Same.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 30, 2022 18:36:30 GMT -5
We have naked bikerides in Montreal.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 30, 2022 18:50:46 GMT -5
Key West does as well.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2022 19:17:00 GMT -5
Key West has a lot of naked events. welcome back, BTW. nice to see you posting again.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 30, 2022 19:35:22 GMT -5
Personally, I'm a fan of the annual No Pants Day which is always the first Friday in May.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 30, 2022 22:02:51 GMT -5
Personally, I'm a fan of the annual No Pants Day which is always the first Friday in May. Nobody is talking on their cell phone. Was it taken in the 80s?
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