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Post by tallguy on Jun 17, 2022 19:28:58 GMT -5
Enough with the nonsense. It was a start, and it has helped insure a large number of people. Unfortunately, too many republican states refused to expand Medicaid, which blunted the effect. Republicans spent a decade vilifying it and trying to end it, instead of working yo improve it. It was based on a conservative plan, and had been approved in MA when Romney was governor. But continue with those right wing talking points. One day you may actually get a clue The plan as well intended as it might was / is a failure. It had to be pushed thru because they knew it was full of shit. Yes it did help many yet at the same time failed to deliver. Don't blame the republicans for ACA failure they just ignore the health care crisis. It was "full of sh**" (as you say) because they tried to appease Republicans to get something passed that could be considered bipartisan. Republicans still trashed it and sabotaged it at every turn, even though it was based on a Republican plan framework.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 17, 2022 19:34:24 GMT -5
You really have no clue about the history of the ACA, do you? probably know as much or more than most here. I actually down loaded and printed the whole damn thing. Spent the next 8 mos reading and looking up what the hell I was reading. So you are saying it is a comprehension issue then? Yeah, I can see that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2022 19:34:41 GMT -5
Yet here I thought obamacare was supposed to remedy our health care issues. Quality, affordable healthcare for everyone. You really have no clue about the history of the ACA, do you? Marshabar redux.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 19:37:27 GMT -5
we really have SO much work to do here, and NOBODY talks about it. even Democrats don't. #sad Yet here I thought obamacare was supposed to remedy our health care issues. Quality, affordable healthcare for everyone. I never thought it was a remedy. I always thought it was just a starting point. In my limited reading about it, it seems that some states refused to work with access to insurance for their citizens as the ACA intended. And it also seems that some insurance companies pulled out of certain areas because participating in the ACA plans was not profitable enough for them. Technically speaking, I don’t really have a dog in that fight. I have decent health insurance through my job, and I can keep that same insurance in retirement, for the same premiums as if I was still employed. But I’d still like for any American to have access to healthcare to address their needs, without going broke. I have family members that forego healthcare needs unless it’s an emergency, because of the costs. In my uneducated mind, I think that we would do better overall if people could go to the doctor when they need to, instead of waiting until it’s an emergency and ending up in an ER. I also think that if more people had access to affordable health care, more Americans would be more mentally stable and more physically capable of working. I have issues that I can’t imagine trying to function and work with if I couldn’t go to the Doctor for help. I firmly believe that taking care of our citizens’ health (mental and physical) benefits society as a whole.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 17, 2022 19:37:34 GMT -5
You really have no clue about the history of the ACA, do you? Marshabar redux. No, that's not fair. The Marshabar persona was the single most vile person I ever encountered on the boards. This isn't that.
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Post by scgal on Jun 17, 2022 19:37:34 GMT -5
The plan as well intended as it might was / is a failure. It had to be pushed thru because they knew it was full of shit. Yes it did help many yet at the same time failed to deliver. Don't blame the republicans for ACA failure they just ignore the health care crisis. Again, you are completely wrong. Republicans refused to negotiate, so it had to pass only with democratic votes. It was based on plans that conservative think tanks had come up with. Massachusetts had I acted it. Republicans immediately went on the offensive and attacked it, and made public opinion extremely negative. States refused to enact it, so of course it did not work as intended. Yet, even with all that, it improved health metrics in the US. You can’t possibly think you understand this better than I do. Unless your MLS daughter is an expert on this too. I said most, probably not you. Actually I only got thru just over 400 pages before I gave up too damn time consuming.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 19:38:37 GMT -5
You really have no clue about the history of the ACA, do you? Marshabar redux. Oh boy! Do you really think so? Because I remember that poster…….
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Post by scgal on Jun 17, 2022 19:42:17 GMT -5
The plan as well intended as it might was / is a failure. It had to be pushed thru because they knew it was full of shit. Yes it did help many yet at the same time failed to deliver. Don't blame the republicans for ACA failure they just ignore the health care crisis. It was "full of sh**" (as you say) because they tried to appease Republicans to get something passed that could be considered bipartisan. Republicans still trashed it and sabotaged it at every turn, even though it was based on a Republican plan framework. How the heck is you need to pass it to see what's in it appeasing republicans. They knew the republicans wouldn't go for it and the republicans called it out for what it was a POS. It still is.
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Post by scgal on Jun 17, 2022 19:44:41 GMT -5
No, that's not fair. The Marshabar persona was the single most vile person I ever encountered on the boards. This isn't that. I don't know what that is. Sounds like a dousey. I may give a different look at some controversial topics but I don't think I said anything that would be considered vile.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2022 19:46:08 GMT -5
Oh boy! Do you really think so? Because I remember that poster……. She was something else, wasn't she. Did you know her from the MSN boards?
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Post by tallguy on Jun 17, 2022 19:50:17 GMT -5
No, that's not fair. The Marshabar persona was the single most vile person I ever encountered on the boards. This isn't that. I don't know what that is. Sounds like a dousey. I may give a different look at some controversial topics but I don't think I said anything that would be considered vile. No, I was making it clear that the comparison is inapt. I may disagree with pretty much all of your opinions, nor do I think you possess great reasoning skills, but nothing here is vile. The reference to that other poster was inappropriate, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 19:52:17 GMT -5
Oh boy! Do you really think so? Because I remember that poster……. She was something else, wasn't she. Did you know her from the MSN boards? Yes.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 17, 2022 19:55:15 GMT -5
Again, you are completely wrong. Republicans refused to negotiate, so it had to pass only with democratic votes. It was based on plans that conservative think tanks had come up with. Massachusetts had I acted it. Republicans immediately went on the offensive and attacked it, and made public opinion extremely negative. States refused to enact it, so of course it did not work as intended. Yet, even with all that, it improved health metrics in the US. You can’t possibly think you understand this better than I do. Unless your MLS daughter is an expert on this too. I said most, probably not you. Actually I only got thru just over 400 pages before I gave up too damn time consuming. After making a point of saying that you know more than most because you "down loaded and printed the whole damn thing", and "Spent the next 8 mos reading and looking up what the hell I was reading", and then almost immediately admitting that you gave up after what, 15% of it, you still don't have a clue. Unfortunately, that is not at all surprising.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 17, 2022 20:16:12 GMT -5
You really have no clue about the history of the ACA, do you? probably know as much or more than most here. I actually down loaded and printed the whole damn thing. Spent the next 8 mos reading and looking up what the hell I was reading. Sure you did. I am the Queen of Sheba. If this is a failure, then maybe we should institute universal health care like most of the countries ahead of us have done. I am SURE you are in favor of that. Cancer screening rates, diabetes and hypertension control all improved after it was implemented. Medical debt, medical inflation, and finances of small, rural hospitals in places that expanded Medicaid improved. How is that the failure? Where is the beautiful, Republican plan to improve health care, I think we are still waiting
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 17, 2022 23:22:04 GMT -5
Enough with the nonsense. It was a start, and it has helped insure a large number of people. Unfortunately, too many republican states refused to expand Medicaid, which blunted the effect. Republicans spent a decade vilifying it and trying to end it, instead of working yo improve it. It was based on a conservative plan, and had been approved in MA when Romney was governor. But continue with those right wing talking points. One day you may actually get a clue The plan as well intended as it might was / is a failure. It had to be pushed thru because they knew it was full of shit. Yes it did help many yet at the same time failed to deliver. Don't blame the republicans for ACA failure they just ignore the health care crisis. I didn't like the ACA because you still had to buy insurance. Since you think the ACA is full of shit, how do you feel about universal healthcare? That would solve your 'healthcare crisis', would it not?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 17, 2022 23:28:45 GMT -5
probably know as much or more than most here. I actually down loaded and printed the whole damn thing. Spent the next 8 mos reading and looking up what the hell I was reading. Sure you did. I am the Queen of Sheba. If this is a failure, then maybe we should institute universal health care like most of the countries ahead of us have done. I am SURE you are in favor of that. Cancer screening rates, diabetes and hypertension control all improved after it was implemented. Medical debt, medical inflation, and finances of small, rural hospitals in places that expanded Medicaid improved. How is that the failure? Where is the beautiful, Republican plan to improve health care, I think we are still waiting Thr Republicans did have a beautiful healthcare plan. It was 'buy your prescription drugs from Canada". Canada told them to piss off. www.webmd.com/drug-medication/news/20200925/trump-approves-final-plan-to-import-drugs-from-canada-for-a-fraction-of-the-price
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 18, 2022 12:08:42 GMT -5
We went to drag queen story hour at a local coffee shop.
Kids did not turn gay. Must have done something wrong.
We stumbled in half way through this time but they are hosting another one in July. I'm planning to attend that one.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2022 18:48:11 GMT -5
we really have SO much work to do here, and NOBODY talks about it. even Democrats don't. #sad Yet here I thought obamacare was supposed to remedy our health care issues. Quality, affordable healthcare for everyone. Obamacare was written by the Heritage Foundation, and passed by Mitt Romney. it was not a fix for the situation, at all. most of us that wanted REAL heathcare reform INSISTED on the public option. when that was dropped, the ACA fell to the ranks of "barely acceptable". the support for the ACA remained below 50% until it's repeal was threatened under Trump. and the reason is that 1/3 want it to go a LOT further, and 1/3 want it ended. had it gone a LOT further, 2/3 of the US would support the ACA. Obama was a moderate republican, and he governed like one.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2022 18:55:47 GMT -5
It was "full of sh**" (as you say) because they tried to appease Republicans to get something passed that could be considered bipartisan. Republicans still trashed it and sabotaged it at every turn, even though it was based on a Republican plan framework. How the heck is you need to pass it to see what's in it appeasing republicans. that is quoted out of context. what she actually said was THIS: “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.” i have yet to see a single person quote her accurately. and it is clear, if you read this phrase, what she meant- that there were so many lies told about this piece of legislation that it is better just to see what it does than to listen to all of the baloney being made about it.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 18, 2022 19:17:56 GMT -5
Obama was a moderate republican, and he governed like one. Don't you mean Obama was a moderate democrat? He also had the knowledge that the GQP was openly trying to insure that he failed. They didn't keep that quiet.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 18, 2022 20:05:43 GMT -5
Obama was a moderate republican, and he governed like one. Don't you mean Obama was a moderate democrat? He also had the knowledge that the GQP was openly trying to insure that he failed. They didn't keep that quiet. Obama governed like a moderate Republican, if there remained any of such.... DJ can correct me when he comes back, but I think what he was saying is that politically Obama aligns more with what the moderate wing of the Republican Party used to be.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2022 23:40:28 GMT -5
Don't you mean Obama was a moderate democrat? He also had the knowledge that the GQP was openly trying to insure that he failed. They didn't keep that quiet. Obama governed like a moderate Republican, if there remained any of such.... DJ can correct me when he comes back, but I think what he was saying is that politically Obama aligns more with what the moderate wing of the Republican Party used to be. this is exactly right. he is more like Reagan than, say, Mondale. but also, i was referring to republican in the Platonic sense.
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Post by scgal on Jun 20, 2022 6:40:13 GMT -5
probably know as much or more than most here. I actually down loaded and printed the whole damn thing. Spent the next 8 mos reading and looking up what the hell I was reading. Sure you did. I am the Queen of Sheba. If this is a failure, then maybe we should institute universal health care like most of the countries ahead of us have done. I am SURE you are in favor of that. Cancer screening rates, diabetes and hypertension control all improved after it was implemented. Medical debt, medical inflation, and finances of small, rural hospitals in places that expanded Medicaid improved. How is that the failure? Where is the beautiful, Republican plan to improve health care, I think we are still waiting I don't know what you are....Universal healthcare may have some merit, but shouldn't be rushed. As far as republicans I already said they're not doing shit. I can own that dems can't own that the ACA was a shit show. You are the only dr I herd say they like the ACA.
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Post by scgal on Jun 20, 2022 6:42:12 GMT -5
How the heck is you need to pass it to see what's in it appeasing republicans. that is quoted out of context. what she actually said was THIS: “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.” i have yet to see a single person quote her accurately. and it is clear, if you read this phrase, what she meant- that there were so many lies told about this piece of legislation that it is better just to see what it does than to listen to all of the baloney being made about it. then why rush it thru
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 20, 2022 7:19:26 GMT -5
Sure you did. I am the Queen of Sheba. If this is a failure, then maybe we should institute universal health care like most of the countries ahead of us have done. I am SURE you are in favor of that. Cancer screening rates, diabetes and hypertension control all improved after it was implemented. Medical debt, medical inflation, and finances of small, rural hospitals in places that expanded Medicaid improved. How is that the failure? Where is the beautiful, Republican plan to improve health care, I think we are still waiting I don't know what you are....Universal healthcare may have some merit, but shouldn't be rushed. As far as republicans I already said they're not doing shit. I can own that dems can't own that the ACA was a shit show. You are the only dr I herd say they like the ACA. You should get out more then. Get out of your bubble. Most hospital based doctors care for uninsured patients, we see many on the icu. Before the aca, I got nothing for caring for critically ill uninsured patients s in the icu. Now I get something. Patients who went to the ER and were found to have a lung mass can now be seen and have their work up done as an outpatient instead of worrying about how to pay for it. You should have paid more attention to your reading, or maybe ask your MLS daughter what she knows, since you claim you both are knowledgeable in this area. Criticize dems all you want. They are the only ones trying to fix things. Republicans have no interest nor do they even have any ideas. I will take the person who tries any day instead of those who do nothing but say no.
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Post by scgal on Jun 20, 2022 7:54:18 GMT -5
I don't know what you are....Universal healthcare may have some merit, but shouldn't be rushed. As far as republicans I already said they're not doing shit. I can own that dems can't own that the ACA was a shit show. You are the only dr I herd say they like the ACA. You should get out more then. Get out of your bubble. Most hospital based doctors care for uninsured patients, we see many on the icu. Before the aca, I got nothing for caring for critically ill uninsured patients s in the icu. Now I get something. Patients who went to the ER and were found to have a lung mass can now be seen and have their work up done as an outpatient instead of worrying about how to pay for it. You should have paid more attention to your reading, or maybe ask your MLS daughter what she knows, since you claim you both are knowledgeable in this area. Criticize dems all you want. They are the only ones trying to fix things. Republicans have no interest nor do they even have any ideas. I will take the person who tries any day instead of those who do nothing but say no. trying and failing is worse than doing nothing at all. You are only looking at the medical (which understandable that is only what you know). I look at how the cost has risen for others, how drs decided to go into retirement because of the new regulations of paperwork, how the sign up was a disaster from the start. There is more to this failure than what you are looking at. Now I since you like to dis my daughter I will comment. I brought her up because of her medical education and extreme knowledge of guns, ammunition. You may have more knowledge in the medical profession but it is clear you have zero in muzzle velocity, ammunition comparison. Probably very little in gunshot damage other than what you seen in a course semester. So yes my daughter would overall have way more knowledge than you and those combined. More than likely other than we don't have a degree in the medical field my husband and I both are more qualified in in how the a projectile can affect the body. You just hear talking points on guns not knowing one type of bullet to the next. I try to keep my posts nice and with manners but as evident on how you attacked one poster on here, keep attacking my daughter you will see the BITCH i can be
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 20, 2022 8:03:35 GMT -5
You should get out more then. Get out of your bubble. Most hospital based doctors care for uninsured patients, we see many on the icu. Before the aca, I got nothing for caring for critically ill uninsured patients s in the icu. Now I get something. Patients who went to the ER and were found to have a lung mass can now be seen and have their work up done as an outpatient instead of worrying about how to pay for it. You should have paid more attention to your reading, or maybe ask your MLS daughter what she knows, since you claim you both are knowledgeable in this area. Criticize dems all you want. They are the only ones trying to fix things. Republicans have no interest nor do they even have any ideas. I will take the person who tries any day instead of those who do nothing but say no. trying and failing is worse than doing nothing at all. You are only looking at the medical (which understandable that is only what you know). I look at how the cost has risen for others, how drs decided to go into retirement because of the new regulations of paperwork, how the sign up was a disaster from the start. There is more to this failure than what you are looking at. Now I since you like to dis my daughter I will comment. I brought her up because of her medical education and extreme knowledge of guns, ammunition. You may have more knowledge in the medical profession but it is clear you have zero in muzzle velocity, ammunition comparison. Probably very little in gunshot damage other than what you seen in a course semester. So yes my daughter would overall have way more knowledge than you and those combined. More than likely other than we don't have a degree in the medical field my husband and I both are more qualified in in how the a projectile can affect the body. You just hear talking points on guns not knowing one type of bullet to the next. I try to keep my posts nice and with manners but as evident on how you attacked one poster on here, keep attacking my daughter you will see the BITCH i can be No, you do not. People who treat these things have more knowledge about how they cause damage that needs to be repaired. I will take the word of a trauma surgeon who has to repair these wounds over someone with no real world knowledge about the effects of this on the body. You need to learn more about medical costs. Medical inflation hit its lowest rate in decades after the ACA was passed. You pay for the uninsured either way. You just now see that cost. Uninsured patients drive up the cost for everybody. The status quo sucked. Saying you think that was better clearly shows you have no clue about this. The easiest insurance to deal with is straight Medicare. It has the fewest restrictions, the lowest overhead, and the fewest preauthorization requirements. And it is a government run program. Imagine that!
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 20, 2022 8:18:30 GMT -5
You should get out more then. Get out of your bubble. Most hospital based doctors care for uninsured patients, we see many on the icu. Before the aca, I got nothing for caring for critically ill uninsured patients s in the icu. Now I get something. Patients who went to the ER and were found to have a lung mass can now be seen and have their work up done as an outpatient instead of worrying about how to pay for it. You should have paid more attention to your reading, or maybe ask your MLS daughter what she knows, since you claim you both are knowledgeable in this area. Criticize dems all you want. They are the only ones trying to fix things. Republicans have no interest nor do they even have any ideas. I will take the person who tries any day instead of those who do nothing but say no. trying and failing is worse than doing nothing at all. You are only looking at the medical (which understandable that is only what you know). I look at how the cost has risen for others, how drs decided to go into retirement because of the new regulations of paperwork, how the sign up was a disaster from the start. There is more to this failure than what you are looking at. Now I since you like to dis my daughter I will comment. I brought her up because of her medical education and extreme knowledge of guns, ammunition. You may have more knowledge in the medical profession but it is clear you have zero in muzzle velocity, ammunition comparison. Probably very little in gunshot damage other than what you seen in a course semester. So yes my daughter would overall have way more knowledge than you and those combined. More than likely other than we don't have a degree in the medical field my husband and I both are more qualified in in how the a projectile can affect the body. You just hear talking points on guns not knowing one type of bullet to the next. I try to keep my posts nice and with manners but as evident on how you attacked one poster on here, keep attacking my daughter you will see the BITCH i can beI assure you, posts attacking another poster will be removed. multiple instances of this will also earn you a vacation. -chiver mod
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 20, 2022 8:24:52 GMT -5
Maybe scgal can see why we need a red flag law. She has all these weapons, and talks about the bitch she can be.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 20, 2022 8:53:45 GMT -5
Criticize dems all you want. They are the only ones trying to fix things. trying and failing is worse than doing nothing at all. FWIW, a classic example of the difference between a person who is liberal and a person who is conservative. I can hear my father, a very conservative person, mockingly saying, "Hurry up and do something, even if it is wrong." We don't share very many political policy stances, but I do tend to be similarly conservative. (Happy Belated Father's Day, Dad )
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