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Post by Opti on Aug 10, 2022 6:29:50 GMT -5
Another story of why US gun culture is bad. Makes me wonder if he was planning a mass shooting event. www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hospital-employee-arrested-after-39-guns-including-assault-rifle-found-in-office-closet/ar-AA10vFUy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5bd71880903543b1bbe9bf763de3cf30On the afternoon of July 18, officers with Secaucus Police Department arrived at Hudson Regional Hospital, less than five miles west of Manhattan, after authorities received a phone call that a bomb was in the hospital.
When officers swept the hospital, bomb-detecting dogs "gave a positive indication" on a closet in an office, police said in a news release. Police entered the closet and found "a large cache of rifles, shotguns and handguns, along with assorted ammunition for the firearms."
Police said 11 handguns, 27 rifles/shotguns and a semi-automatic rifle with high-capacity magazine, later determined to be an assault rifle, were recovered. An additional 14 rounds of high-capacity handgun magazines were discovered.
Authorities said 46-year-old Reuven Alonalayoff was arrested Sunday at Newark Liberty International Airport with assistance from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Investigations. Alonalayoff, who police said was the marketing director of the hospital, was charged with possession of an assault firearm and two counts of possession of a high-capacity magazine.
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Post by scgal on Aug 10, 2022 7:02:20 GMT -5
exactly even the younger ages should have tryouts not sign and go Why? To align with your beliefs instead of those involved? I can ask the same why you think they shouldn't have try outs
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Post by scgal on Aug 10, 2022 7:06:36 GMT -5
exactly even the younger ages should have tryouts not sign and go Why should some 5 year olds be excluded? I'm talking on more of a little league, soccer level probably around 8 or 10 years on up
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Post by scgal on Aug 10, 2022 7:13:46 GMT -5
And yet, she hasn't revealed her reasoning on why competition is necessary from an early age. Or did I miss it? True. It would be nice to hear it. First of all i'm not talking about 5 or 6 years olds. I'm talking about little league, older soccer, where there are actual teams not a bunch of little kids just running around. Where they are actually trying to play the sport. I seen little league go from a 2 day tryout event to sign up and play it's bullshit. I seen in HS maybe not all HS but I know of a few that you sign up for volleyball and your playing no try out for basic phisical fitness nothing. Same thing with JV football. This is the age bracket I'm talking about. I get accused that I think people should live by my standards you people are way way worse.
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Post by daisylu on Aug 10, 2022 7:27:30 GMT -5
From a meme I saw yesterday. It mentions HS sports, but I think it applies to all. :
Too many kids have been taught that the goal of HS sports is to achieve an ATHLETIC scholarship - here's the truth: the goal of HS sports is to learn how to be a better person, better teammate, better communicator & to enjoy being a teenager....something you can't get back.
When I played little league from ages 6 to 16 we technically had tryouts, but it was used to gauge players' abilities and weaknesses so that the teams were evenly matched.
Are we supposed to start training while they are in diapers? How are parents supposed to guess which sport their kid will want to play when they are 5, or 10, or 15? I can not imagine the damage done to a 5 year who is told they are not good enough to play t-ball. Sports are supposed to instill confidence, not tear kids down.
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Post by teen persuasion on Aug 10, 2022 7:37:10 GMT -5
True. It would be nice to hear it. First of all i'm not talking about 5 or 6 years olds. I'm talking about little league, older soccer, where there are actual teams not a bunch of little kids just running around. Where they are actually trying to play the sport. I seen little league go from a 2 day tryout event to sign up and play it's bullshit. I seen in HS maybe not all HS but I know of a few that you sign up for volleyball and your playing no try out for basic phisical fitness nothing. Same thing with JV football. This is the age bracket I'm talking about. I get accused that I think people should live by my standards you people are way way worse. I think you missed the most important concept in kids' sports: PLAY. Not compete, PLAY. Everyone should get to play, not just the ones blessed with athletic ability. Those that want to compete can go form competitive leagues. Let the rest of us have fun and play without the need to introduce divisive exclusionary tactics.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 10, 2022 8:22:44 GMT -5
True. It would be nice to hear it. First of all i'm not talking about 5 or 6 years olds. I'm talking about little league, older soccer, where there are actual teams not a bunch of little kids just running around. Where they are actually trying to play the sport. I seen little league go from a 2 day tryout event to sign up and play it's bullshit. I seen in HS maybe not all HS but I know of a few that you sign up for volleyball and your playing no try out for basic phisical fitness nothing. Same thing with JV football. This is the age bracket I'm talking about. I get accused that I think people should live by my standards you people are way way worse. Well thank you, I guess, for providing an answer as to why tryouts i.e. they used to and it is bullshit they don't anymore. I think society making a decision on sign up and play or tryout required sports should be based on something other than tradition and your "bullshit meter". I find the argument that getting people of all ages who wish to do so connected to a team and engaging in physical activity more convincing. It seems a good number of people in policy positions agree with me. Yes, that means you don't get your way in this. I know that is tough to accept at times. But as I learned playing in all comers sports as a clumsy youth, the umpires don't always call them the way you see'um.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 10, 2022 8:41:19 GMT -5
Given our obesity and health issues, encouraging more children to participate in athletic activities is a better public policy. In addition, studies show that focusing on one sport at too young an age(and 8 is too young), leads to higher rates of injury and burnout. Participation in different sports encourages the development of different muscle groups and skills, can lead to lifelong hobbies, and improves mental health. Limiting participation until children are older makes sense in so many ways, and is healthier for developing bodies.
In addition, if you limit participation at age 8, how doe you field enough teams to actually have a league if you live in areas with lower polulations?
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Post by swamp on Aug 10, 2022 10:32:05 GMT -5
Why? To align with your beliefs instead of those involved? I can ask the same why you think they shouldn't have try outs because the point of youth sports should not be intense competition, it should be learning skills, teamwork, and learning to push yourself. It's also an opportunity to get outside and move around, which many kids don't have that opportunity now. If you cut out a large swath of the population early on, that group does not have the sports experience that will be beneficial in personal growth later in life. The US has an obesity problem now, let's not make it worse. Back when i started swimming in 7th grade, you would have cut me from the team. With some determination, hard work, and great coaching, I developed my skills and went on to complete collegiately. Don't immediately rule out the underachievers.
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Post by swamp on Aug 10, 2022 10:32:49 GMT -5
From a meme I saw yesterday. It mentions HS sports, but I think it applies to all. : Too many kids have been taught that the goal of HS sports is to achieve an ATHLETIC scholarship - here's the truth: the goal of HS sports is to learn how to be a better person, better teammate, better communicator & to enjoy being a teenager....something you can't get back.THis. This. This. This. I cannot like this enough.
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Post by swamp on Aug 10, 2022 10:33:56 GMT -5
Why should some 5 year olds be excluded? I'm talking on more of a little league, soccer level probably around 8 or 10 years on up So if you haven't had the opportunity to play prior to 3rd grade, you're done? WTF is wrong with you?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 10, 2022 11:34:00 GMT -5
True. It would be nice to hear it. First of all i'm not talking about 5 or 6 years olds. I'm talking about little league, older soccer, where there are actual teams not a bunch of little kids just running around. Where they are actually trying to play the sport. I seen little league go from a 2 day tryout event to sign up and play it's bullshit. I seen in HS maybe not all HS but I know of a few that you sign up for volleyball and your playing no try out for basic phisical fitness nothing. Same thing with JV football. This is the age bracket I'm talking about. I get accused that I think people should live by my standards you people are way way worse. Hypothesis: Ending little league tryouts has prevented top young athletes from developing their baseball skills. How might we test it? The Little League World Series is held each year (cancelled in 2020 due to covid). A lack of success by US teams in recent years would clearly demonstrate the damage done by no tryouts. Evidence Here. The United States has won the Series 4 of the last 5 times it has been held.
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Post by hurley1980 on Aug 10, 2022 14:09:36 GMT -5
I'm talking on more of a little league, soccer level probably around 8 or 10 years on up So if you haven't had the opportunity to play prior to 3rd grade, you're done? WTF is wrong with you? Exactly! Some kids are just clumsy and don't really start to show any athleticism until they are older. What about those who had a late growth spurt! What about sports that didn't have youth teams? The only field hockey team I knew of was at my high school, so since all of us kids were already 14 or 15 before we were exposed to it, it just shouldn't exist, and no one should play? Michael Oher (The Blind Side) didn't start playing football until he was in high school. He went on to play in college, and then in the NFL. According to scgal, he should have never had a career at all, because he didn't start until he was a teen, even though he was good enough to get into the friggin NFL!!!! She posts a lot of crazy things, but this is just downright ridiculous!
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 10, 2022 14:45:28 GMT -5
So if you haven't had the opportunity to play prior to 3rd grade, you're done? WTF is wrong with you? Exactly! Some kids are just clumsy and don't really start to show any athleticism until they are older. What about those who had a late growth spurt! What about sports that didn't have youth teams? The only field hockey team I knew of was at my high school, so since all of us kids were already 14 or 15 before we were exposed to it, it just shouldn't exist, and no one should play? Michael Oher (The Blind Side) didn't start playing football until he was in high school. He went on to play in college, and then in the NFL. According to scgal, he should have never had a career at all, because he didn't start until he was a teen, even though he was good enough to get into the friggin NFL!!!! She posts a lot of crazy things, but this is just downright ridiculous! I am reading things that suggest to me a bit of misunderstanding. I see there being tryouts each year for any that wish to make a go at getting on the team. If it is the first year a sport is offered, all would be on the same beginning level for tryouts. For me, the reasonable question is at what age/level should or might tryouts that include cutting individuals from participating be used. Personally, I don't see it as something that should be done below the collegiate level. High schools can easily offer "B" "C" even "D" squads to accommodate all who wish to be involved. And late bloomers could move up in competitive level in early season training camps.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 10, 2022 15:44:46 GMT -5
Where do you live that there aren't enough competition/try out only teams? Rec is phased out between 10-14 in almost everything here so it's competition or nothing. exactly even the younger ages should have tryouts not sign and go You don't have enough competition leagues at lower ages? Seriously? Or you just assume you don't? When and where did you look last? No one should have rec leagues? What about adults? I started martial arts at 38. As a life long band geek it was insane. And I sucked at it. Still do probably, but I shouldn't have any opportunity to learn something new? Is that what you mean? If not, what on earth do you mean?
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 10, 2022 15:46:54 GMT -5
Actually we do know. How many men vs women quit there jobs to homeschool kids over covid? Statistically it will be the women, which will further the gender gap - but we should just shut up and accept it. Just because some men stay home, doesn't mean we've reached equality. Life was set up for families to work outside of the home 40-50 hours a week. It would be awesome if more families could each work 20-30 hours a week now. Both work, both manage the house. But as it is, Statistically- women work 40+ hours outside the home and still do most of the housework and heavy load child raising. You're taking it out of proportion. You do not know period no one knows its different for each family. I never said it would be more men then women or vise versa. I never said anything about equally. I'm all for working 20 to 30 hrs a week but not get full pay either. I know statistically it will impact women more than men. That's a fact. Not every family (my own is an exception to some extent), but statistically it will affect women exponentially more than men. Again-- fact, not feeling based on empirical evidence.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 10, 2022 16:01:35 GMT -5
Why should some 5 year olds be excluded? I'm talking on more of a little league, soccer level probably around 8 or 10 years on up So again - a 9 year old who wants to play soccer should ONLY be able to play if they can make the cut on a competitive team? And if they can't, just no soccer for them? Ever? I mean really? Why on earth is this a fight you are gunning for? Makes me think you're trolling to rile people up.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 10, 2022 16:04:41 GMT -5
I'm talking on more of a little league, soccer level probably around 8 or 10 years on up So again - a 9 year old who wants to play soccer should ONLY be able to play if they can make the cut on a competitive team? And if they can't, just no soccer for them? Ever? I mean really? Why on earth is this a fight you are gunning for? Makes me think you're trolling to rile people up. Sadly, I do think this is what she believes.
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Post by Opti on Aug 10, 2022 18:32:12 GMT -5
Why? To align with your beliefs instead of those involved? I can ask the same why you think they shouldn't have try outs Easy, because you need to learn sports somewhere. And you still haven't answered the question after all these posts. Why? Why? Why? Little League is their own organization beholden to themselves and who support them. It spans the ages from 4 to 16 yrs old. I have a feeling tryouts vary based on age and local team conditions, etc. Likewise, soccer organizations that are not affiliated with a school usually follow their own rules and feelings of current parents and kids involved. What you and I believe probably means nothing to them, and I'm OK with it as I'm not involved with either. However, I think school sports should be more inclusive when possible as schools are generally supported by local, state and federal taxes. Soccer barely existed when I was young. I started playing club level soccer at college. In summary, you still haven't come up with a reason that there should be tryouts at a certain age except because you want it so. Why is it so important such things exist for fourth graders or younger in your opinion?
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Aug 10, 2022 22:32:55 GMT -5
True. It would be nice to hear it. First of all i'm not talking about 5 or 6 years olds. I'm talking about little league, older soccer, where there are actual teams not a bunch of little kids just running around. Where they are actually trying to play the sport. I seen little league go from a 2 day tryout event to sign up and play it's bullshit. I seen in HS maybe not all HS but I know of a few that you sign up for volleyball and your playing no try out for basic phisical fitness nothing. Same thing with JV football. This is the age bracket I'm talking about. I get accused that I think people should live by my standards you people are way way worse. How does someone get good at something if they never have a chance to practice and learn? By this logic, no one would get to play but those who have been doing it for years. And how would someone be able to do this for years? 1. Your parents had the resources to start you at like age 3 or 4 (so we’ve now put people without those resources further behind the curve when they are like 10 years old) and 2. You parents had to pick it for you (since which 3-4 year old has a passion for something when they have no life experience?). So the parents will be picking for the kid snd essentially living through them. That will make the kid’s relationship with the sport healthy. What is bad about having everyone be able to play to the best of their ability? Don’t we want kids trying everything and learning along the way? Shouldn’t they have a broad appreciation/experience so they can be more knowledgeable about things as they grow? I still remember playing soccer in high school. I was poor and never had the money to play on the community teams so started out playing as a freshman. The coach was the coach of the local high comp team snd most of the girls on the team were from there or had played in other teams growing up. One of the girls was his daughter, she was excellent at soccer. He was the best coach ever... all about working hard and being a good sport. It didn’t matter if u were the best player if u didn’t show up to practice or had a bad attitude, he would bench you. His attitude carried over to the players (the amazing players like his daughter would help you and never make you feel stupid) and we all worked together to have fun and work out butts off. He put me in a bunch of games, even if I wasn’t the best. He saw people working hard and being good sports snd nurtured that. He could have cut me or had me on the bench all season since my parents were poor but he did the opposite. I didn’t play after high school but I still remember what he taught about working hard, teamwork, and being a good sport. That is what sports, especially kids sports, should be about.
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Post by scgal on Aug 11, 2022 6:51:39 GMT -5
Exactly! Some kids are just clumsy and don't really start to show any athleticism until they are older. What about those who had a late growth spurt! What about sports that didn't have youth teams? The only field hockey team I knew of was at my high school, so since all of us kids were already 14 or 15 before we were exposed to it, it just shouldn't exist, and no one should play? Michael Oher (The Blind Side) didn't start playing football until he was in high school. He went on to play in college, and then in the NFL. According to scgal, he should have never had a career at all, because he didn't start until he was a teen, even though he was good enough to get into the friggin NFL!!!! She posts a lot of crazy things, but this is just downright ridiculous! I am reading things that suggest to me a bit of misunderstanding. I see there being tryouts each year for any that wish to make a go at getting on the team. If it is the first year a sport is offered, all would be on the same beginning level for tryouts. For me, the reasonable question is at what age/level should or might tryouts that include cutting individuals from participating be used. Personally, I don't see it as something that should be done below the collegiate level. High schools can easily offer "B" "C" even "D" squads to accommodate all who wish to be involved. And late bloomers could move up in competitive level in early season training camps. Exactly, that is how it used to be. I see many areas now uses age as a factor not a minimum physical competence. Heaven forbid if lil Johnny didn't move up with his friends his mother would scream and boom he moved up and that team suffered.
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Post by scgal on Aug 11, 2022 6:56:24 GMT -5
I'm talking on more of a little league, soccer level probably around 8 or 10 years on up So again - a 9 year old who wants to play soccer should ONLY be able to play if they can make the cut on a competitive team? And if they can't, just no soccer for them? Ever? I mean really? Why on earth is this a fight you are gunning for? Makes me think you're trolling to rile people up. If there is a minimum fitness level and the kid cannot pass it. Go home try again next year why should the other kids be held back if lil Johnny cannot run up and down the field without passisng out.
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Post by scgal on Aug 11, 2022 7:02:18 GMT -5
I can ask the same why you think they shouldn't have try outs Easy, because you need to learn sports somewhere. And you still haven't answered the question after all these posts. Why? Why? Why? Little League is their own organization beholden to themselves and who support them. It spans the ages from 4 to 16 yrs old. I have a feeling tryouts vary based on age and local team conditions, etc. Likewise, soccer organizations that are not affiliated with a school usually follow their own rules and feelings of current parents and kids involved. What you and I believe probably means nothing to them, and I'm OK with it as I'm not involved with either. However, I think school sports should be more inclusive when possible as schools are generally supported by local, state and federal taxes. Soccer barely existed when I was young. I started playing club level soccer at college. In summary, you still haven't come up with a reason that there should be tryouts at a certain age except because you want it so. Why is it so important such things exist for fourth graders or younger in your opinion? I'm not talking about learning and getting better at a sport. I'm talking about minimum fitness level. If a kid cannot pick up a bat or run around the bases without stopping then no try again next year. Same with high school sports you can learn the fundamentals but you have to be physically able to stay out there to compete.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 11, 2022 8:34:13 GMT -5
www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/08/11/beto-orourke-uvalde-gun-heckler/I hope O'rourke wins. Texas is such a shit show right now. Good visual of what the guns were meant for vs being used recreationally and more specifically to gun down children. And his last comment is spot on. Either you think humans are evil and unstoppable or you think we can do something now to make lives better. Sums up the religious right wing competition quite well.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 11, 2022 8:46:47 GMT -5
I am reading things that suggest to me a bit of misunderstanding. I see there being tryouts each year for any that wish to make a go at getting on the team. If it is the first year a sport is offered, all would be on the same beginning level for tryouts. For me, the reasonable question is at what age/level should or might tryouts that include cutting individuals from participating be used. Personally, I don't see it as something that should be done below the collegiate level. High schools can easily offer "B" "C" even "D" squads to accommodate all who wish to be involved. And late bloomers could move up in competitive level in early season training camps. Exactly, that is how it used to be. I see many areas now uses age as a factor not a minimum physical competence. Heaven forbid if lil Johnny didn't move up with his friends his mother would scream and boom he moved up and that team suffered. How exactly did the team "suffer"?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 11, 2022 8:56:09 GMT -5
Easy, because you need to learn sports somewhere. And you still haven't answered the question after all these posts. Why? Why? Why? Little League is their own organization beholden to themselves and who support them. It spans the ages from 4 to 16 yrs old. I have a feeling tryouts vary based on age and local team conditions, etc. Likewise, soccer organizations that are not affiliated with a school usually follow their own rules and feelings of current parents and kids involved. What you and I believe probably means nothing to them, and I'm OK with it as I'm not involved with either. However, I think school sports should be more inclusive when possible as schools are generally supported by local, state and federal taxes. Soccer barely existed when I was young. I started playing club level soccer at college. In summary, you still haven't come up with a reason that there should be tryouts at a certain age except because you want it so. Why is it so important such things exist for fourth graders or younger in your opinion? I'm not talking about learning and getting better at a sport. I'm talking about minimum fitness level. If a kid cannot pick up a bat or run around the bases without stopping then no try again next year. Same with high school sports you can learn the fundamentals but you have to be physically able to stay out there to compete. And next year, after not working out with the team, they won't be physically able, and the next, and the next. Or they can be on the team for practices and minimal game time and get more fit.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 11, 2022 9:24:27 GMT -5
I'm not talking about learning and getting better at a sport. I'm talking about minimum fitness level. If a kid cannot pick up a bat or run around the bases without stopping then no try again next year. Same with high school sports you can learn the fundamentals but you have to be physically able to stay out there to compete. And next year, after not working out with the team, they won't be physically able, and the next, and the next. Or they can be on the team for practices and minimal game time and get more fit. I hate sports with a passion. I'm not the most coordinated person on the planet and I went to school in the days Scgal would have loved as far as how sports are "supposed" to be played. I was shamed so much in P.E. alone that I have extreme anxiety just thinking about joining a sport. The first time I tried again I was 25 and played kickball with some coworkers. I kept trying to refuse because I'm not good at sports but they insisted they didn't care they didn't want me sitting on the sidelines. I actually scored the winning goal and they told my boss at the next lab meeting. Too many people are like me out there and I think it's sad. I get exercise in other ways but I feel like I missed out on something sometimes. I am sure I deserved it though because poor hand/eye coordination has no place in a community activity like sports. If you want to compete join a team that does so. My daughters dance. There is a competition team you try out for you can join. Or you can do classes no matter what your fitness level, it's to get kids active and to love dance. Why can't sports be the same? You got a stick up your ass about having to whoop the other team and God forbid "Johnny" hold you back go create a team with other like minded parents. Leave the rest of us alone to just enjoy our kids enjoying something and fitting in.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 11, 2022 9:44:22 GMT -5
Is anybody else wondering if this diversion into children's sports was meant mostly to take the attention away from the gun argument?
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