Overturning Roe v Wade?

[thyme4change]

May 15, 2022 23:53:26 GMT -5 justme said:

May 15, 2022 15:37:28 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

They will pay 5 grand to make sure they don't have to pay for maternity leave, have an open job for a few weeks for FMLA or add a kid onto insurance. Pretty sweet deal for the company.

I wonder how many people would feel comfortable telling their company they are aborting a pregnancy - especially if they know their boss is a certain religion or aligns with the conservatives for other issues. I know they technically can't hold it against you, but there are so many ways employees can be discriminated against that you just can't prove.

I think this is theater.

I think part of it is, though I think the majority of companies only offer maternity leave under short term disability (ie they pay for it a little bit under insurance rates and coverage but not 1:1). Though it's possible the companies doing this have better maternity leave.

As for telling bosses, I haven't seen the exact wording and my friend mentioned reproductive so theoretically trying to have a baby could fall under that same as not. Presumably these companies have a good way to apply for it.

Pretty easy to speculate

[djAdvocate]

May 16, 2022 11:27:06 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Gotta love conservative states. We're going to make you have a child but you better not dare ask us for help.

Because after all you chose to wear a short skirt, walk at night, let him in or whatever reason we need to use to prove it was 100% your fault and you need to own the consequences.

It only becomes your choice once it pops out.

...which we are now FORCING you to do......

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Well I'm finding out DH and I are on fundamentally different sides of this topic.

We had a fight because he told me quit making it into a gender issue and this isn't about men trying to control me it's about saving unborn babies.

He got even more pissed when I asked then how come they aren't coming for you since I can't make one without you and you can get many women pregnant in nine months compared to my once.

Probably should not have laughed in his face when he said well if men could get pregnant they'd still be working to end abortion because it's the right thing to do.

That resulted in me telling him to check his privilege. Now I'm a man hater.

Oh well. If I wasn't at least part right the man hater insult wouldn't have been tossed at me.

I'm not sure what to do about this. I suppose we can not talk about it. I laid down I want him snipped if this occurs.

And I suppose God forbid its still in place when the girls mature I do what I have to without involving him in it. I'm not going to have him pressure the girls into making decisions they may not be ready for because he believes in "responsibility" yet no discussions of the boys role in it.

[thyme4change]

May 17, 2022 7:46:16 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Well I'm finding out DH and I are on fundamentally different sides of this topic.

We had a fight because he told me quit making it into a gender issue and this isn't about men trying to control me it's about saving unborn babies.

He got even more pissed when I asked then how come they aren't coming for you since I can't make one without you and you can get many women pregnant in nine months compared to my once.

Probably should not have laughed in his face when he said well if men could get pregnant they'd still be working to end abortion because it's the right thing to do.

That resulted in me telling him to check his privilege. Now I'm a man hater.

Oh well. If I wasn't at least part right the man hater insult wouldn't have been tossed at me.

I'm not sure what to do about this. I suppose we can not talk about it. I laid down I want him snipped if this occurs.

And I suppose God forbid its still in place when the girls mature I do what I have to without involving him in it. I'm not going to have him pressure the girls into making decisions they may not be ready for because he believes in "responsibility" yet no discussions of the boys role in it.

If you are done having kids, he should be snipped - regardless of abortion laws.

I understand why getting a procedure that has a less than perfect reversal rate is unappealing when you are young and want kids in the future. But if he is in a committed relationship and there is a common commitment to being done having kids, the man should have the 5 minute "procedure" that has a low risk and high success rate to protect his partner from all the pro1blems that accompany each of the alternative methods of preventing pregnancy. If he refuses, call him a woman hater.

[happyhoix]

May 17, 2022 7:46:16 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Well I'm finding out DH and I are on fundamentally different sides of this topic.

We had a fight because he told me quit making it into a gender issue and this isn't about men trying to control me it's about saving unborn babies.

He got even more pissed when I asked then how come they aren't coming for you since I can't make one without you and you can get many women pregnant in nine months compared to my once.

Probably should not have laughed in his face when he said well if men could get pregnant they'd still be working to end abortion because it's the right thing to do.

That resulted in me telling him to check his privilege. Now I'm a man hater.

Oh well. If I wasn't at least part right the man hater insult wouldn't have been tossed at me.

I'm not sure what to do about this. I suppose we can not talk about it. I laid down I want him snipped if this occurs.

And I suppose God forbid its still in place when the girls mature I do what I have to without involving him in it. I'm not going to have him pressure the girls into making decisions they may not be ready for because he believes in "responsibility" yet no discussions of the boys role in it.

Well, boys only do it cause girls let them, do it’s the girl’s fault. It’s always the girls fault, since Eve.

When DS went to college I gave him a giant box of condoms and told him if he became a baby’s daddy he was on his own - he would have to drop out of college to earn money to pay child support and his dad and I would not be raising the baby for him.

Also - condoms we’re mandatory even if his partner said she was on the pill.

I think he listened too good to my nagging- he’s married and 33 and no grands yet.

[teen persuasion]

May 17, 2022 8:10:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

May 17, 2022 7:46:16 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Well I'm finding out DH and I are on fundamentally different sides of this topic.

We had a fight because he told me quit making it into a gender issue and this isn't about men trying to control me it's about saving unborn babies.

He got even more pissed when I asked then how come they aren't coming for you since I can't make one without you and you can get many women pregnant in nine months compared to my once.

Probably should not have laughed in his face when he said well if men could get pregnant they'd still be working to end abortion because it's the right thing to do.

That resulted in me telling him to check his privilege. Now I'm a man hater.

Oh well. If I wasn't at least part right the man hater insult wouldn't have been tossed at me.

I'm not sure what to do about this. I suppose we can not talk about it. I laid down I want him snipped if this occurs.

And I suppose God forbid its still in place when the girls mature I do what I have to without involving him in it. I'm not going to have him pressure the girls into making decisions they may not be ready for because he believes in "responsibility" yet no discussions of the boys role in it.

If you are done having kids, he should be snipped - regardless of abortion laws.

I understand why getting a procedure that has a less than perfect reversal rate is unappealing when you are young and want kids in the future. But if he is in a committed relationship and there is a common commitment to being done having kids, the man should have the 5 minute "procedure" that has a low risk and high success rate to protect his partner from all the pro1blems that accompany each of the alternative methods of preventing pregnancy. If he refuses, call him a woman hater.

Don't make it about abortion.  It's a decision between the two of you, about what's best for the whole family.  If you've reached your desired family size, it's time to make that permanent.  What is the best way to achieve that?  Who has the easier/safer/least invasive/whatever option?

When I realized I was pregnant with DS5 and told DH, he said "he'll be lonely, we should have another."  Lonely?  With 4 siblings?  My response:  "Tag - you're it.  It's your turn, next."  I've had an external version, a C-section, 2 VBACs, 2 miscarriages.  Yep, he got snipped.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

May 17, 2022 8:10:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

May 17, 2022 7:46:16 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Well I'm finding out DH and I are on fundamentally different sides of this topic.

We had a fight because he told me quit making it into a gender issue and this isn't about men trying to control me it's about saving unborn babies.

He got even more pissed when I asked then how come they aren't coming for you since I can't make one without you and you can get many women pregnant in nine months compared to my once.

Probably should not have laughed in his face when he said well if men could get pregnant they'd still be working to end abortion because it's the right thing to do.

That resulted in me telling him to check his privilege. Now I'm a man hater.

Oh well. If I wasn't at least part right the man hater insult wouldn't have been tossed at me.

I'm not sure what to do about this. I suppose we can not talk about it. I laid down I want him snipped if this occurs.

And I suppose God forbid its still in place when the girls mature I do what I have to without involving him in it. I'm not going to have him pressure the girls into making decisions they may not be ready for because he believes in "responsibility" yet no discussions of the boys role in it.

If you are done having kids, he should be snipped - regardless of abortion laws.

I understand why getting a procedure that has a less than perfect reversal rate is unappealing when you are young and want kids in the future. But if he is in a committed relationship and there is a common commitment to being done having kids, the man should have the 5 minute "procedure" that has a low risk and high success rate to protect his partner from all the pro1blems that accompany each of the alternative methods of preventing pregnancy. If he refuses, call him a woman hater.

I 100% agree. I didn't make it a hill to.die on previously because I have an IUD and while I wouldn't be thrilled a third wasn't horrible.

But now I live and work in states that have zero exceptions trigger laws waiting.

I have two other kids to think about and I'm not keen on being sacrificed so some Bible thumper can get a ticket into heaven.

I don't care statistically how small my odds are the fact those odds can result in.a high chance of me dying makes them unacceptable.

So now I'm done done. I'm keeping the IUD for insurance and I like not having periods but it's time he be responsible for the baby making.

The biggest irony is he told me that takes away his choice to have kids. I responded yet you see no issue with an entire country trying to control my choices.

Oh that's different because mine would be ending one and he wants to make one.

I'm starting to wonder if we'll stay married through this.

[bean29]

NMD, my DH was never willing to get snipped.  We are pro-choice.  I don't know what I would have decided to do if I had a oops pregnancy.  

I think the Democrats should legislate protections/exceptions for abortion to 15/16 weeks and to save the life of the mother.  They should be able to pass at least that much.  The heartbeat bill is too strict imho.  

My Mom and her friends are Pro-Life.  I get the whole Pro-birth imaging, but I do not think of my Mom and her friends in those terms.  Two weeks ago when I went to church with my Mom the priest did not hesitate to address abortion/politics from the altar.  I am very uncomfortable with Churches engaging in politics like that.  I think it is wrong.  He did seem to be saying that parishioners needed to vote their conscience and address health care and food insecurity, but he was more direct about eliminating abortion and less direct about the other issues.  

I have never understood why churches did not advocate for health care and Housing and food needs for those in need.  I hope a lot of things change, unfortunately I think things will change for the worse.  I think we are heading into a very dystopian age.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

DH goes back and forth. I almost punched him over his "right to choose" stance.

Which he isn't wrong about technically but he could just not see how privileged and out of touch that statement was.

Meanwhile let's say I wanted to do it I'd encounter an entire hospital system saying no and probably quite a few at the rest expecting me to get HIS permission to tie my tunes.

So fuck off with your claim I'm taking away YOUR choices when I'm asking as your wife and partner to make a joint decision about birth control. And when you see nothingwrongwithan entirenation.dictating my choicesbecauseit just so happensyou agree with them.

When Alito makes comments about your balls then we'll talk about you having no choice.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

May 17, 2022 9:24:59 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

May 17, 2022 8:10:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

If you are done having kids, he should be snipped - regardless of abortion laws.

I understand why getting a procedure that has a less than perfect reversal rate is unappealing when you are young and want kids in the future. But if he is in a committed relationship and there is a common commitment to being done having kids, the man should have the 5 minute "procedure" that has a low risk and high success rate to protect his partner from all the pro1blems that accompany each of the alternative methods of preventing pregnancy. If he refuses, call him a woman hater.

I 100% agree. I didn't make it a hill to.die on previously because I have an IUD and while I wouldn't be thrilled a third wasn't horrible.

But now I live and work in states that have zero exceptions trigger laws waiting.

I have two other kids to think about and I'm not keen on being sacrificed so some Bible thumper can get a ticket into heaven.

I don't care statistically how small my odds are the fact those odds can result in.a high chance of me dying makes them unacceptable.

So now I'm done done. I'm keeping the IUD for insurance and I like not having periods but it's time he be responsible for the baby making.

The biggest irony is he told me that takes away his choice to have kids. I responded yet you see no issue with an entire country trying to control my choices.

Oh that's different because mine would be ending one and he wants to make one.

I'm starting to wonder if we'll stay married through this.

This was one of my dealbreakers while dating.  I only had a few, but bodily autonomy was number one….which, also held the top position of my not wanting kids and the issues are intertwined IMO.

ETA:  You have 2 daughters who are going to be severely impacted by these rulings.  Does your husband think that if Gwen gets raped she should be required to have her rapists child?  Does your husband think that if you have a dead fetus in you, you should risk sepsis for your body to expel it?  Does he not realize that his pro life stance has this 8mpact on 3/4 of his household?

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I guess we never really talked about it. I admit I was privileged in not questioning if my rights would go away.

And since we were dating I personally am of the viewpoint that it's my decision and it's my decision when and if he needed to know.

We're on the same page about my life. I explained to him CHIs doctrine and how that will be state law. You seem to think only slutty teens will be punished well guess what?

I am just shocked that body autonomy doesn't strike him.as an automatic right. That this has nothing to with my gender. That I can't take away his right to make babies but it's okay to take away all my choices outside of just not having sex at all meanwhile he can flaunt his baby making with zero consequences.

I had no idea we were That fundamentally opposite from each other.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I've already decided I'll be the girls advocate. He doesn't need to know till a decision is made. If even then should the girls desire I stay quiet.

The only exception he thinks should be made is in the event I may die. He agrees with Ricketts the baby is a baby in other cases.

And my argument then the state needs to step up has no impact either. That's making it political we're talking about a life.

I will say I'm incredibly proud of Gwen and her ability to stand up to.DH about this.

I've been accused of brainwashing her into my stance but nope. It's 100% her and her friends. She came to the conclusion on her own this is a massive violation of her rights and she's against it.

[swamp]

May 17, 2022 9:24:59 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

May 17, 2022 8:10:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

If you are done having kids, he should be snipped - regardless of abortion laws.

I understand why getting a procedure that has a less than perfect reversal rate is unappealing when you are young and want kids in the future. But if he is in a committed relationship and there is a common commitment to being done having kids, the man should have the 5 minute "procedure" that has a low risk and high success rate to protect his partner from all the pro1blems that accompany each of the alternative methods of preventing pregnancy. If he refuses, call him a woman hater.

I 100% agree. I didn't make it a hill to.die on previously because I have an IUD and while I wouldn't be thrilled a third wasn't horrible.

But now I live and work in states that have zero exceptions trigger laws waiting.

I have two other kids to think about and I'm not keen on being sacrificed so some Bible thumper can get a ticket into heaven.

I don't care statistically how small my odds are the fact those odds can result in.a high chance of me dying makes them unacceptable.

So now I'm done done. I'm keeping the IUD for insurance and I like not having periods but it's time he be responsible for the baby making.

The biggest irony is he told me that takes away his choice to have kids. I responded yet you see no issue with an entire country trying to control my choices.

Oh that's different because mine would be ending one and he wants to make one.

I'm starting to wonder if we'll stay married through this.

I'm sorry your husband is an idiot. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

May 17, 2022 10:45:58 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 17, 2022 9:24:59 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I 100% agree. I didn't make it a hill to.die on previously because I have an IUD and while I wouldn't be thrilled a third wasn't horrible.

But now I live and work in states that have zero exceptions trigger laws waiting.

I have two other kids to think about and I'm not keen on being sacrificed so some Bible thumper can get a ticket into heaven.

I don't care statistically how small my odds are the fact those odds can result in.a high chance of me dying makes them unacceptable.

So now I'm done done. I'm keeping the IUD for insurance and I like not having periods but it's time he be responsible for the baby making.

The biggest irony is he told me that takes away his choice to have kids. I responded yet you see no issue with an entire country trying to control my choices.

Oh that's different because mine would be ending one and he wants to make one.

I'm starting to wonder if we'll stay married through this.

I'm sorry your husband is an idiot. 

I don't think he's an idiot exactly.

He grew up in a upper middle class WASP household and it shows. I picked up on it years ago that his entire family is in a bubble.

It's only now it's catching up with him. Which sadly is not shocking. You could very easily live your entire life here and not encounter anyone different who challenges your worldview.

I was in theater in high school and then worked at UNMC where in my labs I was the minority. I consider myself fortunate because I had plenty of opportunities to have my Midwestern views shaken.

Going to my last company from.there was a massive culture shock. I can see why DH isn't nearly as far down the road as I am.

Doesn't make it okay or any less frustrating though. I'm sorry I can't respect his views on some things.

[teen persuasion]

May 17, 2022 10:23:00 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I guess we never really talked about it. I admit I was privileged in not questioning if my rights would go away.

And since we were dating I personally am of the viewpoint that it's my decision and it's my decision when and if he needed to know.

We're on the same page about my life. I explained to him CHIs doctrine and how that will be state law. You seem to think only slutty teens will be punished well guess what?

I am just shocked that body autonomy doesn't strike him.as an automatic right. That this has nothing to with my gender. That I can't take away his right to make babies but it's okay to take away all my choices outside of just not having sex at all meanwhile he can flaunt his baby making with zero consequences.

I had no idea we were That fundamentally opposite from each other.

I've been talking a lot about this and other issues, lately.  DH said I'd become much more outspoken, in general, of late.  Well, duh, this is huge!  I didn't talk about it, because during our lifetimes this has been settled.  I assumed we as a society were moving forward.  I'd never even worried that we might reverse these advances, that anyone might view women as having lesser rights.  It just never occurred to me.  This Supreme Court decision is a rude wake-up, and I'm scrambling to understand how they can reach this point logically.  But it's personal, because I'm a woman.  Sadly, I'm not surprised that guys are not thinking of the threat, because 1) guys are frequently oblivious, and 2) it DOESN'T immediately effect them.   Which is why I'm being so vocal about my displeasure - life will not go on as usual, if this is not stopped.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Yeah DH said I'm becoming more bitchy and angry. Which lead me to telling him to go look up microagression because he was full of it.

Of course I'm angry! He got mad at me because I said you don't and will never get how it feels to be reduced to your value being what is in-between your legs.

Of course you can be upset about it but you do not GET IT. Hence your comments about me being too worked up and that you don't feel the need to listen to anything Republicans say.
You don't have to because it's all about maintaining your privilege.

It's really sunk in lately how new some rights actually are. He and everyone like him haven't had to question their worth in 500+ years. I couldn't even.vote till 1920.

So yeah I'm pissed and scared. Not just for me. I'm not sorry for making his homelike unpleasant and forcimg.him to be uncomfortable.

If he and others like him remain in their bubble we're on.the fast track to 1950. Which is awesome for him.

I owe it to myself, the girls and everyone who stands to lose thanks to the Supreme Court to demand more.

I'm done being a polite good girl.

[chiver78]

May 17, 2022 11:38:33 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Yeah DH said I'm becoming more bitchy and angry. Which lead me to telling him to go look up microagression because he was full of it.

Of course I'm angry! He got mad at me because I said you don't and will never get how it feels to be reduced to your value being what is in-between your legs.

Of course you can be upset about it but you do not GET IT. Hence your comments about me being too worked up and that you don't feel the need to listen to anything Republicans say.
You don't have to because it's all about maintaining your privilege.

It's really sunk in lately how new some rights actually are. He and everyone like him haven't had to question their worth in 500+ years. I couldn't even.vote till 1920.

So yeah I'm pissed and scared. Not just for me. I'm not sorry for making his homelike unpleasant and forcimg.him to be uncomfortable.

If he and others like him remain in their bubble we're on.the fast track to 1950. Which is awesome for him.

I owe it to myself, the girls and everyone who stands to lose thanks to the Supreme Court to demand more.

I'm done being a polite good girl.

amen.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

May 17, 2022 11:00:27 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

May 17, 2022 10:45:58 GMT -5 swamp said:

I'm sorry your husband is an idiot. 

I don't think he's an idiot exactly.

He grew up in a upper middle class WASP household and it shows. I picked up on it years ago that his entire family is in a bubble.

It's only now it's catching up with him. Which sadly is not shocking. You could very easily live your entire life here and not encounter anyone different who challenges your worldview.

I was in theater in high school and then worked at UNMC where in my labs I was the minority. I consider myself fortunate because I had plenty of opportunities to have my Midwestern views shaken.

Going to my last company from.there was a massive culture shock. I can see why DH isn't nearly as far down the road as I am.

Doesn't make it okay or any less frustrating though. I'm sorry I can't respect his views on some things.

I’m not sure this is an upper middle class WASPy thing, but more of an educational thing.  If you have never had anyone challenge your thoughts and what you’ve been taught from childhood, then it is easy to go along with the status quo.  

[pulmonarymd]

May 17, 2022 12:10:38 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

May 17, 2022 11:00:27 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I don't think he's an idiot exactly.

He grew up in a upper middle class WASP household and it shows. I picked up on it years ago that his entire family is in a bubble.

It's only now it's catching up with him. Which sadly is not shocking. You could very easily live your entire life here and not encounter anyone different who challenges your worldview.

I was in theater in high school and then worked at UNMC where in my labs I was the minority. I consider myself fortunate because I had plenty of opportunities to have my Midwestern views shaken.

Going to my last company from.there was a massive culture shock. I can see why DH isn't nearly as far down the road as I am.

Doesn't make it okay or any less frustrating though. I'm sorry I can't respect his views on some things.

I’m not sure this is an upper middle class WASPy thing, but more of an educational thing.  If you have never had anyone challenge your thoughts and what you’ve been taught from childhood, then it is easy to go along with the status quo.  

Which is one reason some families discourage college. They go away, get exposed to new ideas, and change. They then challenge the families status quo, and they do not like it

[weltschmerz]

Probably should not have laughed in his face when he said well if men could get pregnant they'd still be working to end abortion because it's the right thing to do.

If men could get pregnant, there would be abortion kiosks at every football game. This is all about control and punishing 'slutty women.'

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

May 17, 2022 12:10:38 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

May 17, 2022 11:00:27 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I don't think he's an idiot exactly.

He grew up in a upper middle class WASP household and it shows. I picked up on it years ago that his entire family is in a bubble.

It's only now it's catching up with him. Which sadly is not shocking. You could very easily live your entire life here and not encounter anyone different who challenges your worldview.

I was in theater in high school and then worked at UNMC where in my labs I was the minority. I consider myself fortunate because I had plenty of opportunities to have my Midwestern views shaken.

Going to my last company from.there was a massive culture shock. I can see why DH isn't nearly as far down the road as I am.

Doesn't make it okay or any less frustrating though. I'm sorry I can't respect his views on some things.

I’m not sure this is an upper middle class WASPy thing, but more of an educational thing.  If you have never had anyone challenge your thoughts and what you’ve been taught from childhood, then it is easy to go along with the status quo.  

True but he went to an equally homogeneous and well off school system. Then he never went away for college.

Toss in my daughter's textbook still describes the pilgrims and Indians as best friends...

He hasn't ever been out of the country or really out of the state much at all. All his employers have been

The Midwest is like a different planet. You really can spend 50 years in your bubble and never know it.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

May 17, 2022 12:17:15 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Probably should not have laughed in his face when he said well if men could get pregnant they'd still be working to end abortion because it's the right thing to do.

If men could get pregnant, there would be abortion kiosks at every football game. This is all about control and punishing 'slutty women.'

I said there would be free birth control machines on every corner like Starbucks.
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He got mad with me simply asking him.to revisit getting snipped. I'm his wife.

He cannot possibly think an entire nation of men would abide us trying to control their reproductive rights.

We'd be having a totally different conversation.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

May 17, 2022 12:20:00 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

May 17, 2022 12:10:38 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

I’m not sure this is an upper middle class WASPy thing, but more of an educational thing.  If you have never had anyone challenge your thoughts and what you’ve been taught from childhood, then it is easy to go along with the status quo.  

True but he went to an equally homogeneous and well off school system. Then he never went away for college.

Toss in my daughter's textbook still describes the pilgrims and Indians as best friends...

He hasn't ever been out of the country or really out of the state much at all. All his employers have been

The Midwest is like a different planet. You really can spend 50 years in your bubble and never know it.

  My mom’s family is from the Midwest.  Some have never left Indiana…..even for a vacation.

When I came back to Logansport IN after being in England (and having lived in 3 other states by the time I was 10), 
it was not an easy experience.  Most of my classmates had never left the state, including my teacher.  

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

And Omaha is considered the most liberal! Tells you something about the rest of Nebraska.

Ricketts has being trying to get voting rezone because he's still livid Omaha went blue in 2020.

Council Bluffs is backwater. It is very disconcerting to go to Des Moines which isn't exactly Uber liberal either and see a marked difference.

If you've spent your entire life in CB and not actively searched out other experiences you can totally become my husband.

And both states whine about young people leaving in such large droves we're going to have a population crisis in the next 5 to 10 years.

[Deleted]

I told DD a few years ago that she really needed to start paying attention to what’s going on in politics because she has young children that will have to live with it if certain groups get what they want. 

When she was pregnant the first time, she was a college dropout and didn’t have the means to take care of a baby. But I never tried to sway her one way or the other as to what she should do. I didn’t want that on my conscience. But when she decided to keep the baby, I told her to bring her ass home. She was living in another state in a bad situation. She came home, it turned out to be a high risk pregnancy. She was on complete bed rest the last 2 or 3 months of her pregnancy. At first they were going to keep her in the hospital the whole time, but they ended up releasing her after a week or so. 

I took her to the Doctor twice/week until he was born and stocked her little refrigerator from college every day before I went to work, so she had something to eat and drink without having to go to the kitchen. I call my Grandson my million dollar baby.

If we want to force girls and women to have babies they aren’t ready for, we need to be prepared to help them. I let DD make her own decision, but I was glad she chose to keep him, and I put my money where my mouth was, by helping her during her pregnancy and after he was born.

If I had not been there for her, and she hadn’t been on my health insurance, idk what would’ve happened. My million dollar grandson cost me a whole $30 OOP, because my insurance covered maternity care 100% once the pregnancy is confirmed by a Doctor. 

If you don’t care about what happens to these babies while they’re baking and after they’re born, you aren’t interested in adopting, and you aren’t willing to help parents that truly need help, so their child(ren) can be ok, I don’t see how you can consider yourself pro life. And honestly, you can just STFU as far as I’m concerned.

[scgal]

Since i'm anti abortion my husband did get snipped. My kids the oldest don't believe in abortion but don't think anyone should tell a woman what they can and cannot do. The younger one doesn't believe in abortion except for medical. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

May 17, 2022 12:21:39 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

May 17, 2022 12:17:15 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Probably should not have laughed in his face when he said well if men could get pregnant they'd still be working to end abortion because it's the right thing to do.

If men could get pregnant, there would be abortion kiosks at every football game. This is all about control and punishing 'slutty women.'

I said there would be free birth control machines on every corner like Starbucks.
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He got mad with me simply asking him.to revisit getting snipped. I'm his wife.

He cannot possibly think an entire nation of men would abide us trying to control their reproductive rights.

We'd be having a totally different conversation.

So when does birth control become HIS responsibility?  

TBH, I’m furious about this for you and I’m not the one having the conversations!  I can’t imagine how angry you must be.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

May 17, 2022 13:20:36 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

May 17, 2022 12:21:39 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I said there would be free birth control machines on every corner like Starbucks.
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He got mad with me simply asking him.to revisit getting snipped. I'm his wife.

He cannot possibly think an entire nation of men would abide us trying to control their reproductive rights.

We'd be having a totally different conversation.

So when does birth control become HIS responsibility?  

TBH, I’m furious about this for you and I’m not the one having the conversations!  I can’t imagine how angry you must be.

We've discussed it but yanno I was being respectful because they are his nuts not mine.

The Supreme Court leak changes things. He doesn't think it's fair I'm tying it to this.

I think it's 100% fair since I'm on the line. So I'm speeding things up. Originally I was going to lay it down when my current IUD expires.

Now I want it done beforehand because I don't doubt Iowa and Nebraska will go after birth control next.

That includes vasectomy at least at the Catholic hospitals. His other option if we turn around and have no BC is he gets no sex for the next 20 years until I'm through with menopause

My brother is here because of a condom malfunction. So nope not if the Supreme Court gets their way. Snipped balls or ue balls.

[NastyWoman]

May 11, 2022 11:22:01 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

May 11, 2022 11:10:10 GMT -5 justme said:

So watching news and some douche canoe politician was talking about liberals forcing abortion rights (might have been a different word) on people. Not the first time I've heard it. Still don't get it. Having the ability to get an abortion doesn't mean you must. Those anti abortion don't ever have to have one. I just don't get why they keep using "force" in their argument because the only one wanting to force people to do something are those wanting to outlaw abortion.

Well, according to Ex 2.0 that is VERY pro-life, "Women should not have that kind of power.  At the very least the father should have a say in if his child is murdered"

Way late but I have been avoiding this thread. The "solution" to this would be baby jars. If a woman has an abortion the "father" will need to have a "guest womb " lined up to transplant that so-called baby into. He gets his "child" handed to him in a jar and can take care of it from there on. All costs aside from the medical abortion will fall 100% on him. Let's see how many takers there are (and how many volunteer guest wombs for that matter).

Don't bother to tell me this is medically impossible, I know that. But these are the same idiots that think you can transplant an ectopic pregnancy into the womb so they should not have too many problems accepting this as feasible.

[hurley1980]

May 17, 2022 13:34:42 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

May 17, 2022 13:20:36 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

So when does birth control become HIS responsibility?  

TBH, I’m furious about this for you and I’m not the one having the conversations!  I can’t imagine how angry you must be.

We've discussed it but yanno I was being respectful because they are his nuts not mine.

The Supreme Court leak changes things. He doesn't think it's fair I'm tying it to this.

I think it's 100% fair since I'm on the line. So I'm speeding things up. Originally I was going to lay it down when my current IUD expires.

Now I want it done beforehand because I don't doubt Iowa and Nebraska will go after birth control next.

That includes vasectomy at least at the Catholic hospitals. His other option if we turn around and have no BC is he gets no sex for the next 20 years until I'm through with menopause

My brother is here because of a condom malfunction. So nope not if the Supreme Court gets their way. Snipped balls or ue balls.

I am so angry for you, and so sorry that you are having to deal with this! Maybe hold off on the sex for a while, and tell him if he doesn't get on board with supporting you and your choices, then this will be his future for the next 2 decades! 

All of this crap is making me so happy that I am single and not dating/in a relationship by choice.  I realized a few years ago that there just weren't enough good single guys in my area left for me to even try anymore. I have to say, it has made my life so much easier not dealing with men!