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Post by djAdvocate on May 7, 2022 15:27:03 GMT -5
i hope you will forgive me for saying this, but it is great to see the women on this board so engaged. i hope that carries through the next TWO election cycles, because this country needs you.. Engaged is great. But discussing it on a message board only gets us so far. I've never been very politically inclined, before Trump. But things have gone downhill, rapidly. It's not just the same-old same-old, politicians are all the same, blah blah blah. So I need to figure out the rules, the algorithm (I think of things this way), to reverse engineer the outcome I want (because following the common advice to vote has had no effect). So what can we effectively DO? How do we put pressure on? Economically - punish states thru boycotts, or boycotts on companies funding these politicians? I've definitely seen multiple tweets about students not even considering college offers in anti-abortion states. Voice our displeasure at the Supreme court so they rethink? I don't think they care about popularity at this point. Increase pressure for packing the court, or statehood for D.C. + PR, or recombining states like Virginia/West Virginia and the Dakotas? Find all the legal holes in the reverse Roe draft to squash it? Amend the Constitution? As if that has a chance now with the current divisions. Other ideas? you could do what Iceland did. you could have a women's strike. just STOP doing domestic ANY work until men come to yoke. |
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Post by hurley1980 on May 7, 2022 15:44:11 GMT -5
i hope you will forgive me for saying this, but it is great to see the women on this board so engaged. i hope that carries through the next TWO election cycles, because this country needs you.. Engaged is great. But discussing it on a message board only gets us so far. I've never been very politically inclined, before Trump. But things have gone downhill, rapidly. It's not just the same-old same-old, politicians are all the same, blah blah blah. So I need to figure out the rules, the algorithm (I think of things this way), to reverse engineer the outcome I want (because following the common advice to vote has had no effect). So what can we effectively DO? How do we put pressure on? Economically - punish states thru boycotts, or boycotts on companies funding these politicians? I've definitely seen multiple tweets about students not even considering college offers in anti-abortion states.Voice our displeasure at the Supreme court so they rethink? I don't think they care about popularity at this point. Increase pressure for packing the court, or statehood for D.C. + PR, or recombining states like Virginia/West Virginia and the Dakotas? Find all the legal holes in the reverse Roe draft to squash it? Amend the Constitution? As if that has a chance now with the current divisions. Other ideas? I could definitely see this, especially for young women! Its a matter of safety for them. Getting raped at a frat party, or having your BC fail, and you are screwed! |
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Post by teen persuasion on May 7, 2022 19:52:32 GMT -5
Engaged is great. But discussing it on a message board only gets us so far. I've never been very politically inclined, before Trump. But things have gone downhill, rapidly. It's not just the same-old same-old, politicians are all the same, blah blah blah. So I need to figure out the rules, the algorithm (I think of things this way), to reverse engineer the outcome I want (because following the common advice to vote has had no effect). So what can we effectively DO? How do we put pressure on? Economically - punish states thru boycotts, or boycotts on companies funding these politicians? I've definitely seen multiple tweets about students not even considering college offers in anti-abortion states. Voice our displeasure at the Supreme court so they rethink? I don't think they care about popularity at this point. Increase pressure for packing the court, or statehood for D.C. + PR, or recombining states like Virginia/West Virginia and the Dakotas? Find all the legal holes in the reverse Roe draft to squash it? Amend the Constitution? As if that has a chance now with the current divisions. Other ideas? you could do what Iceland did. you could have a women's strike. just STOP doing domestic work until men come to yoke. Thanks for getting me to research this. I've only just heard about it recently. They didn't *just* stop doing domestic work *until* men complied. It was a very clever plan, advertised in advance, and not called a strike, but rather a day off (no political overtones). Just ONE day, planned for by everyone. Businesses knew female staff would be off, prepped for male staff to bring children to work, had candy and crayons, etc. Ninety percent of women participated. Getting that kind of participation level would be more challenging in a country the size of the US. Just getting 90% of women informed of the plan would be challenging - reading about this one women's strike led me to similar, more recent events in 2017/18 which I never heard about, either. I didn't think I was THAT oblivious, I tend to watch network local and national news daily. Wait, 8 March 2018 was a freak high wind weather event (which are becoming way too frequent now due to climate change) which dropped a tree on a coworker's house and knocked out power generally around the area - including 3 downed poles immediately south of our property. This meant power was out for a few days for us, so I would have missed coverage on *that* day, but not the months/weeks/days leading up to it! |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 7, 2022 19:55:17 GMT -5
i knew i wasn't quite getting it right.
i never actually read anything about the event.
just the aftermath. which was astonishing.
i changed my post to reflect this renewed understanding.
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Post by happyhoix on May 8, 2022 9:20:58 GMT -5
i hope you will forgive me for saying this, but it is great to see the women on this board so engaged. i hope that carries through the next TWO election cycles, because this country needs you.. Engaged is great. But discussing it on a message board only gets us so far. I've never been very politically inclined, before Trump. But things have gone downhill, rapidly. It's not just the same-old same-old, politicians are all the same, blah blah blah. So I need to figure out the rules, the algorithm (I think of things this way), to reverse engineer the outcome I want (because following the common advice to vote has had no effect). So what can we effectively DO? How do we put pressure on? Economically - punish states thru boycotts, or boycotts on companies funding these politicians? I've definitely seen multiple tweets about students not even considering college offers in anti-abortion states. Voice our displeasure at the Supreme court so they rethink? I don't think they care about popularity at this point. Increase pressure for packing the court, or statehood for D.C. + PR, or recombining states like Virginia/West Virginia and the Dakotas? Find all the legal holes in the reverse Roe draft to squash it? Amend the Constitution? As if that has a chance now with the current divisions. Other ideas? DH suggests women decline to have sex with men if abortions become illegal. He says if women really understood the ‘power of the cunny’ women would run the world.  |
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2022 10:31:10 GMT -5
Engaged is great. But discussing it on a message board only gets us so far. I've never been very politically inclined, before Trump. But things have gone downhill, rapidly. It's not just the same-old same-old, politicians are all the same, blah blah blah. So I need to figure out the rules, the algorithm (I think of things this way), to reverse engineer the outcome I want (because following the common advice to vote has had no effect). So what can we effectively DO? How do we put pressure on? Economically - punish states thru boycotts, or boycotts on companies funding these politicians? I've definitely seen multiple tweets about students not even considering college offers in anti-abortion states. Voice our displeasure at the Supreme court so they rethink? I don't think they care about popularity at this point. Increase pressure for packing the court, or statehood for D.C. + PR, or recombining states like Virginia/West Virginia and the Dakotas? Find all the legal holes in the reverse Roe draft to squash it? Amend the Constitution? As if that has a chance now with the current divisions. Other ideas? DH suggests women decline to have sex with men if abortions become illegal. He says if women really understood the ‘power of the cunny’ women would run the world. Or they would gain a deeper understanding of male's fear based oppression. |
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Post by kadee79 on May 8, 2022 11:28:05 GMT -5
Looking from another point of view...
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Post by kadee79 on May 8, 2022 11:28:55 GMT -5
And then there is this starting in Tenn....
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2022 11:58:38 GMT -5
i agree with others that think this is a Trojan Horse for the American Taliban. beware of what pops out.
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2022 13:00:52 GMT -5
i agree with others that think this is a Trojan Horse for the American Taliban. beware of what pops out. Not feeling that metaphor: ... after a fruitless 10-year siege, the Greeks at the behest of Odysseus constructed a huge wooden horse and hid a select force of men inside, including Odysseus himself. The Greeks pretended to sail away, and the Trojans pulled the horse into their city as a victory trophy. That night the Greek force crept out of the horse and opened the gates for the rest of the Greek army, which had sailed back under cover of night. The Greeks entered and destroyed the city of Troy, ending the war.
Metaphorically, a "Trojan horse" has come to mean any trick or stratagem that causes a target to invite a foe into a securely protected bastion or place. link Not seeing any victory trophy for my side here |
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Post by happyhoix on May 8, 2022 13:29:40 GMT -5
Looking from another point of view... Yeah they don’t mind the gas chamber or electric chair, either, even when there is evidence we’ve put innocent people to death with them, over the years. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2022 13:32:43 GMT -5
i agree with others that think this is a Trojan Horse for the American Taliban. beware of what pops out. Not feeling that metaphor: ... after a fruitless 10-year siege, the Greeks at the behest of Odysseus constructed a huge wooden horse and hid a select force of men inside, including Odysseus himself. The Greeks pretended to sail away, and the Trojans pulled the horse into their city as a victory trophy. That night the Greek force crept out of the horse and opened the gates for the rest of the Greek army, which had sailed back under cover of night. The Greeks entered and destroyed the city of Troy, ending the war.
Metaphorically, a "Trojan horse" has come to mean any trick or stratagem that causes a target to invite a foe into a securely protected bastion or place. link Not seeing any victory trophy for my side here the prize is our government. Democrats think they have won. they thought they have saved our secular Republic. but in truth, they have invited the seeds of destruction into it. edit: i can't take credit for the analogy. i just happen to agree with it: www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/-a-trojan-horse-abortion-issue-seen-as-a-means-religious-right-to-assert-more-power-139323461787 |
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2022 14:04:35 GMT -5
Not feeling that metaphor: ... after a fruitless 10-year siege, the Greeks at the behest of Odysseus constructed a huge wooden horse and hid a select force of men inside, including Odysseus himself. The Greeks pretended to sail away, and the Trojans pulled the horse into their city as a victory trophy. That night the Greek force crept out of the horse and opened the gates for the rest of the Greek army, which had sailed back under cover of night. The Greeks entered and destroyed the city of Troy, ending the war.
Metaphorically, a "Trojan horse" has come to mean any trick or stratagem that causes a target to invite a foe into a securely protected bastion or place. link Not seeing any victory trophy for my side here the prize is our government. Democrats think they have won. they think they have saved our Democracy. but in truth, they have invited the seeds of destruction into it. edit: i can't take credit for the analogy. i just happen to agree with it: www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/-a-trojan-horse-abortion-issue-seen-as-a-means-religious-right-to-assert-more-power-139323461787 Thanks for the explanation but, sorry, still not feeling it. But if it resonates with others and makes them be watchful for whatever else is coming, it is all good. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2022 15:14:45 GMT -5
do you disagree with the idea that this is not the end goal, just the way of opening the door to asserting greater control and power?
if so, i couldn't care less whether you "feel" the analogy.
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Post by hurley1980 on May 8, 2022 15:23:31 GMT -5
Engaged is great. But discussing it on a message board only gets us so far. I've never been very politically inclined, before Trump. But things have gone downhill, rapidly. It's not just the same-old same-old, politicians are all the same, blah blah blah. So I need to figure out the rules, the algorithm (I think of things this way), to reverse engineer the outcome I want (because following the common advice to vote has had no effect). So what can we effectively DO? How do we put pressure on? Economically - punish states thru boycotts, or boycotts on companies funding these politicians? I've definitely seen multiple tweets about students not even considering college offers in anti-abortion states. Voice our displeasure at the Supreme court so they rethink? I don't think they care about popularity at this point. Increase pressure for packing the court, or statehood for D.C. + PR, or recombining states like Virginia/West Virginia and the Dakotas? Find all the legal holes in the reverse Roe draft to squash it? Amend the Constitution? As if that has a chance now with the current divisions. Other ideas?
He says if women really understood the ‘power of the cunny’ women would run the world. I said this same thing back in 2016 when TFG was elected. I think Alyssa Milano also suggested this on her social media a while back, there's been so many moments in the past 6 years when women's rights were threatened, that I'm sure millions have said it at times. The problem is we never actually do it. Women are 51% of the population, we could change things if we all got on the same page. The problem is there are too many women that still want a patriarchal society. They are just fine being at home, pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2022 15:27:10 GMT -5
DH suggests women decline to have sex with men if abortions become illegal.
He says if women really understood the ‘power of the cunny’ women would run the world. I said this same thing back in 2016 when TFG was elected. I think Alyssa Milano also suggested this on her social media a while back, there's been so many moments in the past 6 years when women's rights were threatened, that I'm sure millions have said it at times. The problem is we never actually do it. Women are 51% of the population, we could change things if we all got on the same page. The problem is there are too many women that still want a patriarchal society. They are just fine being at home, pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. i get your point, but i don't think it is quite that simple. i think women aspire to similar things men do in the US. they want a certain degree of physical comfort. some are willing to sacrifice a lot for their independence and won't put up with societal norms to take the easy path. but others either don't see any other option, would rather take the easy path, or choose to do so. in short, there are a variety of reasons why women choose to yield to cultural norms. but being barefoot and pregnant is more of a byproduct than a goal, imo. then again, i am a white hetero dude. wtf do i know? |
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2022 16:11:33 GMT -5
do you disagree with the idea that this is not the end goal, just the way of opening the door to asserting greater control and power? if so, i couldn't care less whether you "feel" the analogy. If we are talking only on the abortion issue, I don't see overturning Roe as an end goal. There will be a push to make abortions illegal nationally. People have worked on Roe long and hard. It doesn't surprise me that it looks like it will be an early victory. But I don't see it as "just the way of opening the door ..." to other issues. Making all abortion illegal is an end goal in itself. There are other situations that some don't approve of and they will continue to work to change them. Many are the same people who have worked to overturn Roe but not all. There will be some change in the cast of characters for different issues. For example, I don't see Clarence Thomas leading the charge to overturn Loving the way he has Roe. I do think that overturning Roe will encourage and energize the far right in their battles. That concerns me. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2022 19:13:12 GMT -5
i disagree with you bills, with this caveat:
many who are "working" on this issue probably feel that way.
but i have never felt (but i will be hard pressed to adequately explain
why) that this issue has stood alone. rather, i see it as a harbinger
of many things to come. and i believe that the architects of this
strategy feel the same way.
but again, i thank you for your clear, reasoned response.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 8, 2022 19:30:24 GMT -5
DH suggests women decline to have sex with men if abortions become illegal.
He says if women really understood the ‘power of the cunny’ women would run the world. I said this same thing back in 2016 when TFG was elected. I think Alyssa Milano also suggested this on her social media a while back, there's been so many moments in the past 6 years when women's rights were threatened, that I'm sure millions have said it at times. The problem is we never actually do it. Women are 51% of the population, we could change things if we all got on the same page. The problem is there are too many women that still want a patriarchal society. They are just fine being at home, pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. Getting all of us on the same page IS the challenge. We are all so fractured, each focused on fighting different injustices hitting us from all sides. I was watching ABC World News tonight, of course they mentioned it being Mother's day a half dozen times, and it suddenly struck me that it seemed I'd seen only women during the newscast. A woman anchor, woman reporter on the fires in NM, woman reporter on Supreme Court, woman reporter at WH, First Lady met with First Lady of Ukraine, etc. My first thought was, how rude, forcing all those mothers to work on Mother's Day. It's nice that so many women are FINALLY getting roles, sad they are more relegated to the weekend B string staff. But, wow, if American women could organize a Woman's Day Off, ... |
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2022 19:48:15 GMT -5
i disagree with you bills, with this caveat: many who are "working" on this issue probably feel that way. but i have never felt (but i will be hard pressed to adequately explain why) that this issue has stood alone. rather, i see it as a harbinger of many things to come. and i believe that the architects of this strategy feel the same way. but again, i thank you for your clear, reasoned response. I see it as a harbinger of things likely to come also. But it was confirmation of Barrett that opened the door, not the probable overturning of Roe. It is just an effect. |
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2022 19:52:07 GMT -5
I said this same thing back in 2016 when TFG was elected. I think Alyssa Milano also suggested this on her social media a while back, there's been so many moments in the past 6 years when women's rights were threatened, that I'm sure millions have said it at times. The problem is we never actually do it. Women are 51% of the population, we could change things if we all got on the same page. The problem is there are too many women that still want a patriarchal society. They are just fine being at home, pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. Getting all of us on the same page IS the challenge. We are all so fractured, each focused on fighting different injustices hitting us from all sides. I was watching ABC World News tonight, of course they mentioned it being Mother's day a half dozen times, and it suddenly struck me that it seemed I'd seen only women during the newscast. A woman anchor, woman reporter on the fires in NM, woman reporter on Supreme Court, woman reporter at WH, First Lady met with First Lady of Ukraine, etc. My first thought was, how rude, forcing all those mothers to work on Mother's Day. It's nice that so many women are FINALLY getting roles, sad they are more relegated to the weekend B string staff. But, wow, if American women could organize a Woman's Day Off, ... How many were mothers or is that just an assumption if they are female? |
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Post by laterbloomer on May 8, 2022 21:46:09 GMT -5
Engaged is great. But discussing it on a message board only gets us so far. I've never been very politically inclined, before Trump. But things have gone downhill, rapidly. It's not just the same-old same-old, politicians are all the same, blah blah blah. So I need to figure out the rules, the algorithm (I think of things this way), to reverse engineer the outcome I want (because following the common advice to vote has had no effect). So what can we effectively DO? How do we put pressure on? Economically - punish states thru boycotts, or boycotts on companies funding these politicians? I've definitely seen multiple tweets about students not even considering college offers in anti-abortion states. Voice our displeasure at the Supreme court so they rethink? I don't think they care about popularity at this point. Increase pressure for packing the court, or statehood for D.C. + PR, or recombining states like Virginia/West Virginia and the Dakotas? Find all the legal holes in the reverse Roe draft to squash it? Amend the Constitution? As if that has a chance now with the current divisions. Other ideas? DH suggests women decline to have sex with men if abortions become illegal. He says if women really understood the ‘power of the cunny’ women would run the world. At the risk of being too...something...there is no power of the cunny. That is a pleasant little myth that does a wonderful job of denying the reality of the women that are abused and raped for no better reason than to make the point that men have the power and they intend to keep it. |
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2022 22:16:30 GMT -5
DH suggests women decline to have sex with men if abortions become illegal. He says if women really understood the ‘power of the cunny’ women would run the world. At the risk of being too...something...there is no power of the cunny. That is a pleasant little myth that does a wonderful job of denying the reality of the women that are abused and raped for no better reason than to make the point that men have the power and they intend to keep it. Perhaps the ... something... is narrowly focused. Or perhaps not. But if not, if that is human sexuality, not sure where we can go from there. |
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Post by tallguy on May 8, 2022 22:30:11 GMT -5
I said this same thing back in 2016 when TFG was elected. I think Alyssa Milano also suggested this on her social media a while back, there's been so many moments in the past 6 years when women's rights were threatened, that I'm sure millions have said it at times. The problem is we never actually do it. Women are 51% of the population, we could change things if we all got on the same page. The problem is there are too many women that still want a patriarchal society. They are just fine being at home, pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. Getting all of us on the same page IS the challenge. We are all so fractured, each focused on fighting different injustices hitting us from all sides. I was watching ABC World News tonight, of course they mentioned it being Mother's day a half dozen times, and it suddenly struck me that it seemed I'd seen only women during the newscast. A woman anchor, woman reporter on the fires in NM, woman reporter on Supreme Court, woman reporter at WH, First Lady met with First Lady of Ukraine, etc. My first thought was, how rude, forcing all those mothers to work on Mother's Day. It's nice that so many women are FINALLY getting roles, sad they are more relegated to the weekend B string staff. But, wow, if American women could organize a Woman's Day Off, ... Or, as another possibility, it was seen as a way to honor women (or perhaps more precisely, working women) by showing that they can perform any and all of the necessary roles without any men involved? Maybe? |
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Post by teen persuasion on May 9, 2022 6:38:06 GMT -5
Getting all of us on the same page IS the challenge. We are all so fractured, each focused on fighting different injustices hitting us from all sides. I was watching ABC World News tonight, of course they mentioned it being Mother's day a half dozen times, and it suddenly struck me that it seemed I'd seen only women during the newscast. A woman anchor, woman reporter on the fires in NM, woman reporter on Supreme Court, woman reporter at WH, First Lady met with First Lady of Ukraine, etc. My first thought was, how rude, forcing all those mothers to work on Mother's Day. It's nice that so many women are FINALLY getting roles, sad they are more relegated to the weekend B string staff. But, wow, if American women could organize a Woman's Day Off, ... How many were mothers or is that just an assumption if they are female? Good question. I was just assuming adult females above a certain age are likely to be mothers. I believe both First Ladies and the anchor are mothers, at a minimum. I can't say for any of the other reporters, though. |
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DH suggests women decline to have sex with men if abortions become illegal. He says if women really understood the ‘power of the cunny’ women would run the world. At the risk of being too...something...there is no power of the cunny. That is a pleasant little myth that does a wonderful job of denying the reality of the women that are abused and raped for no better reason than to make the point that men have the power and they intend to keep it. Do you think if I refused to have sex with my husband he’d just start raping me instead? That’s a pretty bleak view of men. A talking head this weekend said that if Roe gets overturned, a lot of women will opt to not attend college in states who make abortions illegal. Mississippi just recently announced it was looking into making contraception illegal too. What impact will this have on attendance at Old Miss? Power of the cunny. |
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That is because they don't have option That is either a deliberate lie on your part or ignorance talking. I’m pretty sure it was Weltz that had a rifle for the bears at the cabin. And you can have a handgun if you aren’t legally forbidden and follow all of the rules Neither....From what I understand you can have a gun in Canada you just cannot carry it (handgun) unless you have a special licence such s for work. So there is no real option to carry. |
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Post by scgal on May 9, 2022 7:33:42 GMT -5
i really don't get why Americans think their healthcare system is so great. everyone i know in the US complains about it. the latest example is one of my employees who is retiring and moving to Idaho. as a self employed person his cost per month for a family of three will be $2000, and it has taken him at least 40 hours of his time to set that up (and it is STILL not done, with 26 days to go). contrast this to Costa Rica. for an expat to buy into that system, it is $73/month, the last time i checked. yes, you read that right. I have never been there wouldn't mind visiting. My brother in law tells quite a different story. He came here 15 years ago and goes back to see / help his mom. He said the healthcare sucks you have cheap healthcare but diagnosis and quality of treatment is poor. Seeing a specialist is hard you will get an appt for months away only to have it rescheduled again and again. Why? it is corrupt if you have money you are moved to the head of the line. Cash is king. I have herd the same about Canada but to be honest when I travelled there is didn't see any of that. I am inclined to believe my brother in law. |
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