Are You the Same Person?

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I got COVID when it was new before vaccination. I gave it to my daughter.

This happened because the company is full of Trumpers who considered it a hoax and my one coworker regularly took off her mask and chose to come to worked despite the fact both her husband and kid were positive and sick because she didn't see it as a big deal.

Then my company proceeded to argue that according to Nebraskas dipshit governor I wasn't exposed after 2 hours of very intimate contact dissecting pig parts with her.

You have your kid tell you she's terrified she's going to die then sit and listen to your company talk about record profits and how hard the struggle is to WFH and not want to punch someone.

Every employer, every city, every state got to pick it's own way of doing stuff. Some were better done like mine were half asked.

Some were awful like the meat packing plants here in Iowa.

I don't blame anyone for leaving and not going back. It gave many carte Blanche to treat people like shit because hey you got no choice government says you're essential. Employers totally ripped the curtain down. Then they act shocked that nobody wants to work for them anymore.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I should also mention I work in science. So this was a company that deals in science telling people who between everyone there had at least 30+ years experience and 3 PhD that we were all in subordinate slackers looking for free time off when we presented the CDC rules regarding exposure.

Yeah nothing makes you feel better than being threatened with being written up over having concerns about your health during a pandemic.

Hr backtracked HARD when I called confirming I was positive. It was funny in a cosmic way.

[stillmovingforward]

And not everyone can just walk away from their paycheck and medical. Providing for our dependents is high on my list. I'd like to not be homeless.

[TheOtherMe]

I care about others and myself.  I will continue to mask.  I know that in itself does not do much to protect me.  I am still staying out of indoor spaces as much as possible and I do keep my distance when I am inside.  

That wasn't enough when stuffed in to an elevator with about 20 hungover shouting 30 somethings and I got Covid about a month ago.  I think because of the vaccines, I had a mild case.  However, the exhaustion has hung on.  I tired much more easily. 

My doctor told me this is common.

[Opti]

Apr 21, 2022 11:06:59 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

I care about others and myself.  I will continue to mask.  I know that in itself does not do much to protect me.  I am still staying out of indoor spaces as much as possible and I do keep my distance when I am inside.  

That wasn't enough when stuffed in to an elevator with about 20 hungover shouting 30 somethings and I got Covid about a month ago.  I think because of the vaccines, I had a mild case.  However, the exhaustion has hung on.  I tired much more easily. 

My doctor told me this is common.

That sucks about the elevator peeps. How long were you in there with them?
I hope your exhaustion starts disappearing.

[Deleted]

I cannot remember . . .

What are some of the jobs that were not considered essential? Who were the non-essential workers? 

I cannot think of anyone in my circle that was considered NON-essential during the pandemic. Hair salons, bars and restaurants had to close but only for a few months.

[scgal]

I chose and continue to choose not to get the vaccination. Did I mask up yep, did I try to social distance yep, did I get covid yep. I was good with my decisions then and now. I don't think my employer asking me to come to work was out of the question. They have a business to run. I'd rather be working than unemployed. 

[minnesotapaintlady]

Apr 21, 2022 13:34:08 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

I cannot remember . . .

What are some of the jobs that were not considered essential? Who were the non-essential workers? 

I cannot think of anyone in my circle that was considered NON-essential during the pandemic. Hair salons, bars and restaurants had to close but only for a few months.

From what I was involved with personally, Our conservatory for the arts closed down for a year.  Dance, karate and music instructors (although some did do virtual private music lessons after a few months), the gyms and Y were closed for 6 months.

But mainly it was the "Essential to be at the workplace" vs. "Not essential to be at the workplace".  I work in manufacturing and only the production people were required to be here.  Some engineering came back PT after about 4 months.  But the vast majority were gone from March 2020 to June 2021.  There are some that still aren't back.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Apr 21, 2022 13:34:08 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

I cannot remember . . .

What are some of the jobs that were not considered essential? Who were the non-essential workers? 

I cannot think of anyone in my circle that was considered NON-essential during the pandemic. Hair salons, bars and restaurants had to close but only for a few months.

Since agriculture, transportation and infrastructure were considered essential and pretty much every employee here is six degrees of separation from those and the government really didn't do a lot of screening pretty much only restaurants, hair salons and tattoo parlors got shut down here.

Which personally I thought was unfair. What I did was hardly essential but my company had fancy lawyers who knew the right words.

I'm not sorry I kept earning a paycheck. It's I understand those people's frustration and resentment over the situation.

I also got REAL sick of people carrying on about shut downs. Neither of the states or cities I deal with actually shut down. So please stop harping at me we're reopening too soon. Can't reopen if you never shut down. It's not like I could single handedly defeat the entire Iowa Republican party. My city was in lockstep. All I could do is watch out for myself as best as I could.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I showed up and did my job as expected.

Being threatened with disciplinary action for expecting them to follow CDC guidelines is a bit much.

But maybe not for some people. Clearly the company thought they owned us I'm sure some employees agreed.

I don't so I left. I may never experience another pandemic but now I know this is a company that retaliate. No way am I sticking around to see what other violations pop-up they will expect me to shut up about.

But I had to have another job lined up furst.

[chiver78]

Apr 21, 2022 13:49:54 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Apr 21, 2022 13:34:08 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

I cannot remember . . .

What are some of the jobs that were not considered essential? Who were the non-essential workers? 

I cannot think of anyone in my circle that was considered NON-essential during the pandemic. Hair salons, bars and restaurants had to close but only for a few months.

From what I was involved with personally, Our conservatory for the arts closed down for a year.  Dance, karate and music instructors (although some did do virtual private music lessons after a few months), the gyms and Y were closed for 6 months.

But mainly it was the "Essential to be at the workplace" vs. "Not essential to be at the workplace".  I work in manufacturing and only the production people were required to be here.  Some engineering came back PT after about 4 months.  But the vast majority were gone from March 2020 to June 2021.  There are some that still aren't back.

 this. I was considered essential as a pharmaceutical supply chain worker to be able to jump the vax line over the average adult, but not essential to be on-site as I am a QA rep for remote operations. I worked straight through, and am still working from home. 

as far as non-essential businesses that were shuttered here? bars & restaurants, although many restaurants figured out how to pivot to take-out only. retail stores that didn't also carry groceries and cleaning supplies (so, NOT Walmart, Target, club stores), dog groomers were completely shut down. but yes, these were only a few months. my CU closed branches and made certain things appointment-only at a handful of locations. town hall in my former town only reopened a few weeks ago. everything else was done by mail/online/drop box. that was fun as I needed to actually speak with folks for a few things I needed to close out on my way out of town. 

[chiver78]

Apr 21, 2022 13:53:34 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Apr 21, 2022 13:34:08 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

I cannot remember . . .

What are some of the jobs that were not considered essential? Who were the non-essential workers? 

I cannot think of anyone in my circle that was considered NON-essential during the pandemic. Hair salons, bars and restaurants had to close but only for a few months.

Since agriculture, transportation and infrastructure were considered essential and pretty much every employee here is six degrees of separation from those and the government really didn't do a lot of screening pretty much only restaurants, hair salons and tattoo parlors got shut down here.

Which personally I thought was unfair. What I did was hardly essential but my company had fancy lawyers who knew the right words.

I'm not sorry I kept earning a paycheck. It's I understand those people's frustration and resentment over the situation.

I also got REAL sick of people carrying on about shut downs. Neither of the states or cities I deal with actually shut down. So please stop harping at me we're reopening too soon. Can't reopen if you never shut down. It's not like I could single handedly defeat the entire Iowa Republican party. My city was in lockstep. All I could do is watch out for myself as best as I could.

this statement applies to everywhere but New Zealand, honestly. and I've pointed that out to anyone that I felt like arguing with about it all. 

[laterbloomer]

Apr 21, 2022 14:24:00 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I showed up and did my job as expected.

Being threatened with disciplinary action for expecting them to follow CDC guidelines is a bit much.

But maybe not for some people. Clearly the company thought they owned us I'm sure some employees agreed.

I don't so I left. I may never experience another pandemic but now I know this is a company that retaliate. No way am I sticking around to see what other violations pop-up they will expect me to shut up about.

But I had to have another job lined up furst.

It took me about a year to debrief after I left a toxic work environment. The first stage was like yours, allowing myself to really feel how bad it was. It's almost like dealing with PTSD. You have been traumatized and you do need to heal from it. Being in a better, healthier workplace definitely helps but it still takes some time to believe the new employer won't do what the old one did. Hugs

[Opti]

Apr 21, 2022 15:07:54 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Apr 21, 2022 13:49:54 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

From what I was involved with personally, Our conservatory for the arts closed down for a year.  Dance, karate and music instructors (although some did do virtual private music lessons after a few months), the gyms and Y were closed for 6 months.

But mainly it was the "Essential to be at the workplace" vs. "Not essential to be at the workplace".  I work in manufacturing and only the production people were required to be here.  Some engineering came back PT after about 4 months.  But the vast majority were gone from March 2020 to June 2021.  There are some that still aren't back.

 this. I was considered essential as a pharmaceutical supply chain worker to be able to jump the vax line over the average adult, but not essential to be on-site as I am a QA rep for remote operations. I worked straight through, and am still working from home. 

as far as non-essential businesses that were shuttered here? bars & restaurants, although many restaurants figured out how to pivot to take-out only. retail stores that didn't also carry groceries and cleaning supplies (so, NOT Walmart, Target, club stores), dog groomers were completely shut down. but yes, these were only a few months. my CU closed branches and made certain things appointment-only at a handful of locations. town hall in my former town only reopened a few weeks ago. everything else was done by mail/online/drop box. that was fun as I needed to actually speak with folks for a few things I needed to close out on my way out of town. 

Remembered our library was closed for months too.

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2022 13:49:54 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Apr 21, 2022 13:34:08 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

I cannot remember . . .

What are some of the jobs that were not considered essential? Who were the non-essential workers? 

I cannot think of anyone in my circle that was considered NON-essential during the pandemic. Hair salons, bars and restaurants had to close but only for a few months.

From what I was involved with personally, Our conservatory for the arts closed down for a year.  Dance, karate and music instructors (although some did do virtual private music lessons after a few months), the gyms and Y were closed for 6 months.

But mainly it was the "Essential to be at the workplace" vs. "Not essential to be at the workplace".  I work in manufacturing and only the production people were required to be here.  Some engineering came back PT after about 4 months.  But the vast majority were gone from March 2020 to June 2021.  There are some that still aren't back.

So essentially everyone that works is an essential worker. They may not have to be at the workplace but they still work.

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2022 15:18:04 GMT -5 Opti said:

Apr 21, 2022 15:07:54 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

 this. I was considered essential as a pharmaceutical supply chain worker to be able to jump the vax line over the average adult, but not essential to be on-site as I am a QA rep for remote operations. I worked straight through, and am still working from home. 

as far as non-essential businesses that were shuttered here? bars & restaurants, although many restaurants figured out how to pivot to take-out only. retail stores that didn't also carry groceries and cleaning supplies (so, NOT Walmart, Target, club stores), dog groomers were completely shut down. but yes, these were only a few months. my CU closed branches and made certain things appointment-only at a handful of locations. town hall in my former town only reopened a few weeks ago. everything else was done by mail/online/drop box. that was fun as I needed to actually speak with folks for a few things I needed to close out on my way out of town. 

Remembered our library was closed for months too.

Our library had curbside pickup. The employees had to work.

[haapai]

My, my!  Those "recent posts" and "recent threads" features do come in handy once in a while!

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Apr 21, 2022 15:16:36 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Apr 21, 2022 14:24:00 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I showed up and did my job as expected.

Being threatened with disciplinary action for expecting them to follow CDC guidelines is a bit much.

But maybe not for some people. Clearly the company thought they owned us I'm sure some employees agreed.

I don't so I left. I may never experience another pandemic but now I know this is a company that retaliate. No way am I sticking around to see what other violations pop-up they will expect me to shut up about.

But I had to have another job lined up furst.

It took me about a year to debrief after I left a toxic work environment. The first stage was like yours, allowing myself to really feel how bad it was. It's almost like dealing with PTSD. You have been traumatized and you do need to heal from it. Being in a better, healthier workplace definitely helps but it still takes some time to believe the new employer won't do what the old one did. Hugs

first.

Unfortunately it's not my first toxic rodeo. I know how to process and move on from people like Peacock.

The COVID thing was a whole new kettle of fish. It's not just the way they handled it but the trauma of having had it. No I wasn't hospitalized thank God but getting in the first wave knowing you were SOL and knowing your kid was SOL was terrifying.

DH got Delta. He got really sick even vaccinated due to having an autoimmune disorder. I'm grateful he caught it when he did because if I had I'd passed it on pretty sure he'd be dead.

For whatever it is worth all this did prompt me to look into why I end up in these messes and look for ways to avoid it. I can't do another 30+ years of well it could be worse.

Cause worse now is a pretty high bar.

I still need to work through that trauma but I think I've made good strides in the job department hopefully I don't slide backwards or face myself beginning to. It's so hard to know when you've only been on a job for two weeks.

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 21, 2022 13:46:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

I chose and continue to choose not to get the vaccination. Did I mask up yep, did I try to social distance yep, did I get covid yep. I was good with my decisions then and now. I don't think my employer asking me to come to work was out of the question. They have a business to run. I'd rather be working than unemployed. 

Then you are an idiot

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2022 16:59:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Apr 21, 2022 13:46:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

I chose and continue to choose not to get the vaccination. Did I mask up yep, did I try to social distance yep, did I get covid yep. I was good with my decisions then and now. I don't think my employer asking me to come to work was out of the question. They have a business to run. I'd rather be working than unemployed. 

Then you are an idiot

Harsh. That makes me sad.
I was going to warn scgal she would be demeaned. 

[haapai]

Apr 21, 2022 17:31:07 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

Apr 21, 2022 16:59:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Then you are an idiot

Harsh. That makes me sad.
I was going to warn scgal she would be demeaned. 

Why am I not surprised to hear that you two are pals?

[raeoflyte]

Apr 21, 2022 17:31:07 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

Apr 21, 2022 16:59:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Then you are an idiot

Harsh. That makes me sad.
I was going to warn scgal she would be demeaned. 

Yes, it's harsh but he's also been putting himself and his family at risk, and watching people die because of that choice.

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 21, 2022 17:31:07 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

Apr 21, 2022 16:59:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Then you are an idiot

Harsh. That makes me sad.
I was going to warn scgal she would be demeaned. 

Had a patient who I had 2 long discussions about the vaccine, who still resisted getting it, call and ask for advice about what to do since he tested positive. It took all my restraint to say, “maybe you should have been vaccinated, jackass.”

He didn’t trust my advice to get vaccinated, yet he know wants my advice about what he should do. Why trust me now when he didn’t trust me about the vaccine? All these anti-Vader’s show up at the hospital to be treated when they are severely ill after not listening to us about the vaccine.

I bet she believes that ivermectin works

[NastyWoman]

Apr 21, 2022 13:49:54 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Apr 21, 2022 13:34:08 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

I cannot remember . . .

What are some of the jobs that were not considered essential? Who were the non-essential workers? 

I cannot think of anyone in my circle that was considered NON-essential during the pandemic. Hair salons, bars and restaurants had to close but only for a few months.

From what I was involved with personally, Our conservatory for the arts closed down for a year.  Dance, karate and music instructors (although some did do virtual private music lessons after a few months), the gyms and Y were closed for 6 months.

But mainly it was the "Essential to be at the workplace" vs. "Not essential to be at the workplace".  I work in manufacturing and only the production people were required to be here.  Some engineering came back PT after about 4 months.  But the vast majority were gone from March 2020 to June 2021.  There are some that still aren't back.

 though in the case of my company only production workers were allowed to be there. And even they were only allowed to be in very specific areas and with specific teams. Aside from the week that I retired last December  I had been in my office (hard office/only occupant) exactly three times. For each of those visits I had to get previous permission and go to security to get a one day badge. Permission was not given instantaneously but the fact that each of these visits were needed for $3M+  cash flows for the company they came through within a few days. If not for that, I doubt these first two visits would have been approved.

[NastyWoman]

Apr 21, 2022 17:31:07 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

Apr 21, 2022 16:59:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Then you are an idiot

Harsh. That makes me sad.
I was going to warn scgal she would be demeaned. 

The truth can be harsh and being told the truth can be (and at times is) harsh but that does not mean it is demeaning.  Truth just is. JMO

[TheOtherMe]

Apr 21, 2022 19:15:22 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Apr 21, 2022 17:31:07 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

Harsh. That makes me sad.
I was going to warn scgal she would be demeaned. 

The truth can be harsh and being told the truth can be (and at times is) harsh but that does not mean it is demeaning.  Truth just is. JMO

I was not present when my family member died of Covid or when my friends died of Covid, but my family member might not have died had people been vaccinated.  Yes, he was elderly but he didn't have to die the way he died.  Alone with no one allowed in.

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2022 19:15:22 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Apr 21, 2022 17:31:07 GMT -5 @beckaroo said:

Harsh. That makes me sad.
I was going to warn scgal she would be demeaned. 

The truth can be harsh and being told the truth can be (and at times is) harsh but that does not mean it is demeaning.  Truth just is. JMO

Even if it is the truth, you don't have to be mean about it. Agree to disagree.

Online bullies.

My dad had Covid in November and he is not the same. He was hospitalized for ten days. Since being released, he receives home health. He will never get better. That doesn't make me hate the people that chose not to get vaccinated. My dad was vaccinated. The person he was exposed to was vaccinated. I was vaccinated.

[TheOtherMe]

I've seen online bullies in action.  This is not bullying.  When one chooses to not listen to science, one will be confronted with science.

[Deleted]

Apr 22, 2022 8:13:01 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

I've seen online bullies in action.  This is not bullying.  When one chooses to not listen to science, one will be confronted with science.

I can agree to disagree. I was vaccinated. It does not make me better and smarter than people that made the choice not to get vaccinated. I do not need to belittle them.

My dad will never be the same since he was hospitalized with Covid. He receives home health now. It doesn't make me dislike the unvaccinated and call them stupid. They are still people.

[azucena]

But here's the thing, getting vaccinated IS a smart decision.  Choosing not to IS stupid.  Plain and simple truths. 

None of that truthiness and fake news crap.