The Cult of Trump

[djAdvocate]

Nov 6, 2021 15:06:57 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Deplorables was an understatement.  And please don't confuse the "Republican faithful" of earlier times with the Trump faithful of today.  There is no longer any honor, courage, or integrity left in the Republican Party, and only a few individuals here and there that demonstrate any of those.  That lack has allowed its takeover and total debasement by a grossly immature, malignant narcissist authoritarian dictator wanna-be who will trash everything that America is supposed to value in service to his own greed and lust for both power and revenge.  You can maintain your attachment to the name "Republican" if you want, but there is virtually no reason to do so.  The vast majority of principled conservatives have denounced the party as it currently sits.  I can respect principled conservatives, but this country would be remarkably better off if every hard-core Trump supporter failed to wake up tomorrow.... 

he is trying to make me feel shame for my lack of "comity".  but let me be absolutely clear- i have lost any sense of comity for those who supported the January 6th insurrection, including those that BELOVE Trump.  they are a serious threat to the American system of government, and should be roundly admonished for it at every turn, lest we lose it altogether.

[tallguy]

Nov 6, 2021 23:45:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 6, 2021 14:08:58 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

So you have moved on from using deplorables to describe Republican faithful
Yeh, I know you probably never called them deplorables but you are ok labeling them something else demeaning.
You use to be better than that.

i don't think mess is a very serious insult.

in fact, i think it is funny, in that it reads like masses.

furthermore, i really do think that anyone who BELOVES Trump (or Biden, for that matter) is a fucking mess. i could have said fucking mess before, but i didn't. i am doing so now.

feel free to think even less of me, but it is not improving my impression of you.

I would have just left off the "m" instead, but that's me.  Sounds even more like masses.

[djAdvocate]

good point, but more insulting.
i think of ALL the "insults" i could have chosen, messes is the least offensive.
and that was precisely why i did it.

but i apparently am going to be thought less of for it.
and that is just fine by me.
i happen to be a very thoughtful person.
if some don't recognize that, it is probably more them than me.

[tallguy]

Well, if we were arguing with thoughtful, reasonable people it may be useful to reflect on our own thoughts.  That not being the case, I don't really care to bother.

[djAdvocate]

yeah. I am worried about my son, mostly. this board ranks about 357th on my list of things to care deeply about.

[happyhoix]

Trump told the RNC he was leaving the Republican Party and creating his own party on January 20th.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-told-rnc-chair-he-was-leaving-gop-to-create-new-party-says-new-book/ar-AAQrNQO

McDaniel told him ‘you cannot do that. If you do, we lose forever.’

Trump said ‘Exactly. You lose forever without me and I don’t care.’

Trumps attitude was if he lost, everyone around him should lose.

So what caused him to remain a Republican? RNC threatened that Republicans would not rent Trumps list of his 40 million supporters that they had been paying Trump a shit ton of money for (the list is worth about $40 million.)

If I were a GOPer, I would worry about what would happen in 2024 if Trump runs for president again and fails to win the primary. Not a doubt in my mind he’d run as a third party, because he’s proven just how little party loyalty he has. He’ll burn the place down if he doesn’t get his way.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

go go go!   Make a third party.   He'll go the way of Ross Perot if that is the case there is no way there are enough of his die hard supporters to carry him as a third party.   


He needs those who vote R even if it is the Devil running and the "anyone but Clinton/Biden" voters.  You aren't going to get that segment of the voting population to vote third party.


I also hope he constantly bitches on TV about much of a victim he is.  I think some voters are starting to forget as he is not in our face 24/7.   Once he is back on TV spouting his crap 24/7 and running his ads those people will be reminded why they came out in droves in 2020.  They are going to need a reminder of what happened in 2016 when we got complacent.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 6, 2021 14:08:58 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 31, 2021 15:04:47 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he's beloved by the messes.

So you have moved on from using deplorables to describe Republican faithful
Yeh, I know you probably never called them deplorables but you are ok labeling them something else demeaning.
You use to be better than that.

Still hate Hillary? Get over it: She was right about Trump then — and she's right now

If you still hate Hillary Clinton for some reason, time to get over it. She was right about Donald Trump and his movement in 2016, and she's right now. 

During the presidential campaign five years ago, Clinton made the simple observation that a large percentage of Donald Trump's followers could be considered a "basket of deplorables" because of their racism, white supremacy, nativism, misogyny, religious hatred and other retrograde antisocial values and beliefs.

As I wrote here several weeks ago, "In many ways, Clinton was too kind. If anything, she underestimated how many Americans were in fact committed and enthusiastic human deplorables":

After that speech, Clinton was pilloried by the mainstream news media, some leading Democrats, and of course the Republican Party and right-wing propaganda hate machine. Clinton's characterization of Trump's "basket of deplorables" was described as insensitive and unfair to the "white working class" Americans that elites and out-of-touch Democrats had too often ignored.

That reaction to Clinton's truth-telling helped to legitimate Trumpism and American neofascism (operating under the mask of "populism") as something that was reasonable and understandable, rather than as a manifestation of racial resentment, a racist temper tantrum and a declaration of white supremacy. This reflected our society's deep investment in a narrative of white racial innocence. In that logic, America is a great and exceptional country, and by implication, this is especially true of white people — especially those "real Americans" whose supposed patriotism and presumed Christian values render them a bit more American than anyone else.

In the weeks since then, evidence has only mounted on the seriousness of the Trump regime's coup plot and how close the United States came to succumbing to a Republican fascist revolution. That coup attempt has not ended. Indeed, it is escalating, and America is fast approaching a point of no return.

The response to my essay about Clinton's warnings about Trump's "deplorables" was an outpouring of rage from self-described progressives, leftists, liberals and others who claim to oppose Donald Trump. In essence, it was a lot of people who seemed to be psychologically decompensating or in the midst of an emotional breakdown. These reactions were rooted in unrestrained hatred toward Hillary Clinton — and, in this case, toward anyone who would dare to suggest she was ever correct about anything.

By this point, Clinton must be used to such reactions. To her credit — and unlike many other members of the American political elite — she is speaking out now even more boldly and clearly about the specific threat posed to American democracy and society by Donald Trump and the politically psychopathic Republican-fascist movement.

In a recent interview at the Atlantic Festival of Ideas, Clinton discussed the decades-long trajectory that brought America the disastrous events of Jan. 6:

Complete article here: Still hate Hillary? Get over it: She was right about Trump then — and she's right now

[thyme4change]

Nov 8, 2021 10:36:09 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

go go go!   Make a third party.   He'll go the way of Ross Perot if that is the case there is no way there are enough of his die hard supporters to carry him as a third party.   


He needs those who vote R even if it is the Devil running and the "anyone but Clinton/Biden" voters.  You aren't going to get that segment of the voting population to vote third party.


I also hope he constantly bitches on TV about much of a victim he is.  I think some voters are starting to forget as he is not in our face 24/7.   Once he is back on TV spouting his crap 24/7 and running his ads those people will be reminded why they came out in droves in 2020.  They are going to need a reminder of what happened in 2016 when we got complacent.

Although I agree that Trump is still a nightmare for the GOP - I don't think a D president is a slam dunk in 2024. A lot of people are unhappy with Biden.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Nov 9, 2021 8:32:21 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Nov 8, 2021 10:36:09 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

go go go!   Make a third party.   He'll go the way of Ross Perot if that is the case there is no way there are enough of his die hard supporters to carry him as a third party.   


He needs those who vote R even if it is the Devil running and the "anyone but Clinton/Biden" voters.  You aren't going to get that segment of the voting population to vote third party.


I also hope he constantly bitches on TV about much of a victim he is.  I think some voters are starting to forget as he is not in our face 24/7.   Once he is back on TV spouting his crap 24/7 and running his ads those people will be reminded why they came out in droves in 2020.  They are going to need a reminder of what happened in 2016 when we got complacent.

Although I agree that Trump is still a nightmare for the GOP - I don't think a D president is a slam dunk in 2024. A lot of people are unhappy with Biden.

I don't think it is either.  Depending on who they ran as the Republican I could possibly live with it.  Depends on how far Mitch McConnell wants to continue riding the crazy train. He's the one with the actual power.  Will they go with a RINO or put someone like Greene on the ticket to compensate for losing Trump?

 I've given up hoping McConnell will die before then.  If there is anyone who is sucking the blood out of children in a pizza parlor to obtain immortality it's that asshole.

[happyhoix]

Nov 9, 2021 8:47:47 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Nov 9, 2021 8:32:21 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Although I agree that Trump is still a nightmare for the GOP - I don't think a D president is a slam dunk in 2024. A lot of people are unhappy with Biden.

I don't think it is either.  Depending on who they ran as the Republican I could possibly live with it.  Depends on how far Mitch McConnell wants to continue riding the crazy train. He's the one with the actual power.  Will they go with a RINO or put someone like Greene on the ticket to compensate for losing Trump?

 I've given up hoping McConnell will die before then.  If there is anyone who is sucking the blood out of children in a pizza parlor to obtain immortality it's that asshole.

The problem for the GOP is they need to inspire the crazy train 30% in order to get out their vote. Crazy train voters want a candidate who will ‘stick it’ to the libetards and be obstructionists to ensure the government gets nothing done. According to my crazy train SIL she also wants a candidate who will physically punch the libs. (Seriously, she said that). Which is why you have so many GOPers trying to out crazy the crazy. Like Ted Cruz who is picking fights with Big Bird now.

If a GOP candidate tries to be a moderate, he looses all the crazy train block (since he’s a RINO) so has to be compelling enough he can draw in ALL the moderates, gop Dem and independent. They could do it against a progressive Dem but I think Biden, even if he’s not polling will, will still hold on to a chunk of moderates.

Unfortunately, mathematically, crazy train is a more certain way to election.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 8, 2021 21:43:05 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 6, 2021 14:08:58 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

So you have moved on from using deplorables to describe Republican faithful
Yeh, I know you probably never called them deplorables but you are ok labeling them something else demeaning.
You use to be better than that.

Still hate Hillary? Get over it: She was right about Trump then — and she's right now

If you still hate Hillary Clinton for some reason, time to get over it. She was right about Donald Trump and his movement in 2016, and she's right now. 

During the presidential campaign five years ago, Clinton made the simple observation that a large percentage of Donald Trump's followers could be considered a "basket of deplorables" because of their racism, white supremacy, nativism, misogyny, religious hatred and other retrograde antisocial values and beliefs.

As I wrote here several weeks ago, "In many ways, Clinton was too kind. If anything, she underestimated how many Americans were in fact committed and enthusiastic human deplorables":

After that speech, Clinton was pilloried by the mainstream news media, some leading Democrats, and of course the Republican Party and right-wing propaganda hate machine. Clinton's characterization of Trump's "basket of deplorables" was described as insensitive and unfair to the "white working class" Americans that elites and out-of-touch Democrats had too often ignored.

That reaction to Clinton's truth-telling helped to legitimate Trumpism and American neofascism (operating under the mask of "populism") as something that was reasonable and understandable, rather than as a manifestation of racial resentment, a racist temper tantrum and a declaration of white supremacy. This reflected our society's deep investment in a narrative of white racial innocence. In that logic, America is a great and exceptional country, and by implication, this is especially true of white people — especially those "real Americans" whose supposed patriotism and presumed Christian values render them a bit more American than anyone else.

In the weeks since then, evidence has only mounted on the seriousness of the Trump regime's coup plot and how close the United States came to succumbing to a Republican fascist revolution. That coup attempt has not ended. Indeed, it is escalating, and America is fast approaching a point of no return.

The response to my essay about Clinton's warnings about Trump's "deplorables" was an outpouring of rage from self-described progressives, leftists, liberals and others who claim to oppose Donald Trump. In essence, it was a lot of people who seemed to be psychologically decompensating or in the midst of an emotional breakdown. These reactions were rooted in unrestrained hatred toward Hillary Clinton — and, in this case, toward anyone who would dare to suggest she was ever correct about anything.

By this point, Clinton must be used to such reactions. To her credit — and unlike many other members of the American political elite — she is speaking out now even more boldly and clearly about the specific threat posed to American democracy and society by Donald Trump and the politically psychopathic Republican-fascist movement.

In a recent interview at the Atlantic Festival of Ideas, Clinton discussed the decades-long trajectory that brought America the disastrous events of Jan. 6:

Complete article here: Still hate Hillary? Get over it: She was right about Trump then — and she's right now

i felt at the time "finally, someone has said it", but at the same time "this is a huge political miscalculation".  i still feel right about both.

[Tennesseer]

[tbop77]

Nov 6, 2021 14:08:58 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 31, 2021 15:04:47 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he's beloved by the messes.

So you have moved on from using deplorables to describe Republican faithful
Yeh, I know you probably never called them deplorables but you are ok labeling them something else demeaning.
You use to be better than that.

Leaders of the National Rifle Association (NRA) expressed concern that the organization's more radical members—who were described as "hillbillies" and "fruitcakes"—would embarrass the gun rights organization in the days following the 1999 Columbine High School massacre, according to tapes obtained by NPR and revealed on Tuesday.

www.newsweek.com/nra-was-concerned-hillbilly-members-would-embarrass-them-after-columbine-tapes-reveal-1647475

Probably wont see this on your right wing new stations.  Even your own party knows what Trumps base is.  

[djAdvocate]

Obama was far too kind with his guns and religion comment.

edit: that is actually my complaint about him.  he doesn't have nearly enough rage.

I know many here will disagree- and say that his amiable/ness was a great quality.

and I would agree with that.  if he were working at a local food bank.

but dealing with the radical right?  not a good tactic.

[thyme4change]

Nov 10, 2021 13:25:00 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Obama was far too kind with his guns and religion comment.

edit: that is actually my complaint about him.  he doesn't have nearly enough rage.

I know many here will disagree- and say that his amiable/ness was a great quality.

and I would agree with that.  if he were working at a local food bank.

but dealing with the radical right?  not a good tactic.

We got enough blowback from having a black president. Can you imagine the outrage if he was an angry black man?

I don't think you are wrong - just that every action has an equal opposite reaction.

[happyhoix]

Chris Christie explained why he turned down a job offer from Trump: 

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chris-christie-dishes-on-what-turned-him-off-working-for-trump/ar-AAQBEGL

He had a meeting with Trump and Melanie - just the three of them - when Trump offered him the job. On the way home, he hears the news from Axios that he was offered the job. Christie figured the leaker had to be Trump, and when he asked Trump about it, Trump seemed pleased and proud that he’d leaked it. 

That was it for Christie 

Wasn’t Trump always railing on about the leakers in his office? And yet apparently he was one? 

[Opti]

Nov 12, 2021 9:47:46 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Chris Christie explained why he turned down a job offer from Trump: 

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chris-christie-dishes-on-what-turned-him-off-working-for-trump/ar-AAQBEGL

He had a meeting with Trump and Melanie - just the three of them - when Trump offered him the job. On the way home, he hears the news from Axios that he was offered the job. Christie figured the leaker had to be Trump, and when he asked Trump about it, Trump seemed pleased and proud that he’d leaked it. 

That was it for Christie 

Wasn’t Trump always railing on about the leakers in his office? And yet apparently he was one? 

Trump always leaked to the press. That is part of his style way before he ever was a serious GOP candidate for President. He may not like leaks that aren't his, IDK. Sometimes I think he complained, simply to give the leaks more attention.

[tbop77]

Trump's 'Envoy' to Kosovo Draws White House Eye-Roll


Representatives from the governments of Kosovo and Serbia did not return RCP's requests for comment. Neither did a Trump spokesperson. But a former Trump staffer told RCP that the Grenell gambit should be dismissed as a publicity stunt. "It's just classic," the former senior White House official said. "This falls somewhere between denial and boredom."


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-envoy-to-kosovo-draws-white-house-eye-roll/ar-AAQDaYi?ocid=msedgntp

And just think, Republicans had their chance to get rid of him.  I continue to hope his antics haunt them until he and his cult goes away.  

[Icelandic Woman]

Someone posted on their FB wall RIP DT and I got really happy and excited for about 5 minutes.
Then I realized they weren't posting about shit for brains. I should have known since they didn't put RIH.

[tbop77]

Trump is working to make a belief that the 2020 election was stolen a central piece of the Republican Party platform. And, again, this isn't like making abortion or trade a party platform. This is making a rejection of American democracy a major part of what it means to be a Republican.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-single-sentence-that-perfectly-captures-the-utter-madness-of-the-trump-era/ar-AARGMUp?ocid=msedgntp

That's it, the whole platform for the Republican party.  Will be interesting to see how many Republicans Trump destroys this next year.  

[tbop77]

But the "cavernous" FLA Live Arena" had many seats that remained empty, according to the Sun-Sentinel. The top level was closed off and those who had tickets for that area were "upgraded" to the lower bowl, the newspaper reported.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-and-bill-o-reilly-s-tour-begins-with-empty-seats-in-florida-report/ar-AARJt1v?ocid=msedgntp

Spin that!  

Oh and:

Trump also told the crowd that he got along best with "tyrants" like Russia's Vladimir Putin and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un while in office.



"The ones I did the best with were the tyrants," he said. "For whatever reason, I got along great with Putin, I got along great with President Xi of China. I got along with Kim Jong Un of North Korea.

For whatever reason you ask?  You'd be right there with them if you could.  Thank God you got voted out of office.  

[Tennesseer]

Dec 12, 2021 9:04:40 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

But the "cavernous" FLA Live Arena" had many seats that remained empty, according to the Sun-Sentinel. The top level was closed off and those who had tickets for that area were "upgraded" to the lower bowl, the newspaper reported.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-and-bill-o-reilly-s-tour-begins-with-empty-seats-in-florida-report/ar-AARJt1v?ocid=msedgntp

Spin that!  

Oh and:

Trump also told the crowd that he got along best with "tyrants" like Russia's Vladimir Putin and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un while in office.



"The ones I did the best with were the tyrants," he said. "For whatever reason, I got along great with Putin, I got along great with President Xi of China. I got along with Kim Jong Un of North Korea.

For whatever reason you ask?  You'd be right there with them if you could.  Thank God you got voted out of office.  

trump and o'reilly are sexual predators too.

[Tennesseer]

trump is the biggest moron of the 21st century.  And trump's cult members are the runner-ups. 

Trump Blames 'Smart and Sharp' Obama for Creating 'Tremendous Division' in America

The tour—which features Trump alongside former Fox News host Bill O'Reilly—kicked off in Sunrise. During the event, he offered some praise for Obama, calling him "smart and sharp," the Sun-Sentinel reported.

"I liked him," he said, even as the crowd booed, the newspaper reported.

Still, he went on to blame Obama for causing "tremendous division" and hatred in the United States, according to the Sentinel.

Trump was less complimentary of President Joe Biden. He said that under his presidency, the United States is less respected than it was under his own. He said: "Every country in the world takes advantage of the United States."

Complete article here:  Trump Blames 'Smart and Sharp' Obama for Creating 'Tremendous Division' in America

[djAdvocate]

Dec 12, 2021 13:56:47 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

trump is the biggest moron of the 21st century.  And trump's cult members are the runner-ups. 

Trump Blames 'Smart and Sharp' Obama for Creating Exposing 'Tremendous Division' in America

The tour—which features Trump alongside former Fox News host Bill O'Reilly—kicked off in Sunrise. During the event, he offered some praise for Obama, calling him "smart and sharp," the Sun-Sentinel reported.

I think he did EXPOSE the division. and he drove racists absolutely insane, by being a calm, competent, and thoughtful leader.

[djAdvocate]

Biden's polling average has him at 47% in two polls this week.
he is now at his highest average since October.

it is not unusual for presidents to get polling gains in December.
in fact it is the norm. the notable exceptions were Obama, W, and Reagan.
his disapproval is down to just above 50%.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 12, 2021 16:14:01 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 12, 2021 13:56:47 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

trump is the biggest moron of the 21st century.  And trump's cult members are the runner-ups. 

Trump Blames 'Smart and Sharp' Obama for Creating Exposing 'Tremendous Division' in America

The tour—which features Trump alongside former Fox News host Bill O'Reilly—kicked off in Sunrise. During the event, he offered some praise for Obama, calling him "smart and sharp," the Sun-Sentinel reported.

I think he did EXPOSE the division. and he drove racists absolutely insane, by being a calm, competent, and thoughtful leader.

Well if Obama created a divide, Trump enhanced it to an chasm with his Big Lie and continued Big Lie.

[djAdvocate]

Obama was a like a four alarm fire in a pesticide factory.
he drew attention to the toxic nature of our fundamental rift
just by being himself.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 12, 2021 17:23:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Obama was a like a four alarm fire in a pesticide factory.
he drew attention to the toxic nature of our fundamental rift
just by being himself.

I remember one 'Windy City' poster who complained that Obama was not promoting his white side.

[djAdvocate]

of course not. why would one promote the privileged side of himself?

oh. right. Trump.