Unvaccinated

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 23, 2021 16:25:24 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 21, 2021 9:00:08 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Not only that, it must be given in a certain time frame, and before you are sick enough to be hospitalized. It is about 70% effective at preventing hospitalizations, and the antibodies disappear in a few months, which leaves you vulnerable to reinfection. Given antibodies may also depress your bodies immune response, so you may actually not have the immunity you would have had, leaving you more susceptible to infection.

All of which leads to the conclusion that vaccination is still a better choice. Not only that, but these treatments are under an EUA, so they are no less "experimental" than the vaccine is. So, if the concern about the vaccine is long term effects, how are these treatments any different?

The antibodies come from someone else who had the disease and recovered, right? So you run the risk of getting other people’s various blood borne diseases along with the antibodies? And the anti vac vets prefer that to just getting a vaccine?

Or do they have a way of replicating the antibodies in a nice sterile lab, rather in someone’s body?

These are done in the lab, but they DO come from biological products (cells).  You force a cell to produce a specific antibody, and fuse it to a myeloma cell, who makes and pumps out tons of antibody.  The fusion product is you get a cell culture that pumps tons of antibody specific to the (viral) protein you want.  Once upon a time, I used to make these too.

What is really funny is that the mRNA vaccine is LESS a biological process than MAbs.  The mRNA vaccine is just chemically linking together nucleotides in order to form a strand of mRNA that encodes for the spike protein and encapsulating it in a lipid.  It is much ‘cleaner’, if that makes sense.

[nidena]

Sept 23, 2021 20:36:04 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 23, 2021 19:55:31 GMT -5 nidena said:

I wonder what this chart will look like in a couple years, once 2020 and beyond are added.

I’m not sure, but I do know the population of Alabama, for the first time in their history, had more deaths than births last year.

Since the majority of Alabamaians are GOPers, that’s not great for the Grand Old Party.

I do wonder if we'll be in a negative for the population growth soon.

[Opti]

I'm not sure if this belongs here as he's not dead, but it seems far too many people need that personal experience to turn their false beliefs from Covid around.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-leader-of-a-hawaii-anti-vax-group-caught-covid-19-and-almost-died-he-now-supports-vaccines-and-wants-his-group-s-protests-to-stop/ar-AAOJNqt?ocid=msedgntp

Wikoff said he previously believed vaccine mandates and passports seemed "over-the-top totalitarian control" because he didn't believe the disease was that serious, Hawai News Now reported.

"We were told the COVID virus was not that deadly, it was nothing more than a little flu," he told Hawaii News Now.



"Well, I can tell you: it's more than the little flu."



Wikoff's change of position came after he was hospitalized after catching COVID-19 in August, per Hawaii News Now. "I was afraid I was going to die," he told the outlet.

"Before I thought Josh Green was exaggerating the situation and after my experience, he sounds very rational to me," he said, per Hawaii News Now.



A picture of Wikoff, who according to Hawaii News Now still needs help breathing, can be seen at the link.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Now, Tennessee is only going to provide monoclonal antibodies to the unvaccinated.  I wonder how that lack of FDA approval issue is working out there.  Hypocrite much?

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tennessee-limiting-monoclonal-antibody-treatment-unvaccinated-residents-n1279740

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 24, 2021 8:55:39 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Now, Tennessee is only going to provide monoclonal antibodies to the unvaccinated.  I wonder how that lack of FDA approval issue is working out there.  Hypocrite much?

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tennessee-limiting-monoclonal-antibody-treatment-unvaccinated-residents-n1279740

None of it makes any sense. And since I have to have these discussions with people, it makes even less sense. After 15 minutes of discussion with a long time patient, he told me I made some good points, but he was still unsure, but he needed to do his own research. I asked him what qualified him to understand this and research it better than I can. He is a truck driver, so that obviously makes him an expert in Biomedical research!

People wonder why we have had it.

[happyhoix]

So now, anti vac Facebook groups are advocating that people refuse to go to the hospital if they get Covid, and to take their loved ones out of ICUs because doctors are killing people on purpose.

So now there are growing threats against doctors and nurses.

Can’t post on my phone, but NBC news has an article about vigilante treatments and threats to doctors.

That’s some messed up thinking.

Some of the home remedies they say will work - nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide and gargling with iodine.

I’m not a medical person but I was a chemist - hydrogen peroxide does destroy organic material really well but guess what - humans are made of organic material.

What bullshit. I can’t even.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 24, 2021 9:20:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So now, anti vac Facebook groups are advocating that people refuse to go to the hospital if they get Covid, and to take their loved ones out of ICUs because doctors are killing people on purpose.

So now there are growing threats against doctors and nurses.

Can’t post on my phone, but NBC news has an article about vigilante treatments and threats to doctors.

That’s some messed up thinking.

Some of the home remedies they say will work - nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide and gargling with iodine.

I’m not a medical person but I was a chemist - hydrogen peroxide does destroy organic material really well but guess what - humans are made of organic material.

What bullshit. I can’t even.

That will solve the hospital overcrowding issue. It will also help open up some jobs. Might even help control global warming. So much winning. That will sure show the libs and all those ignorant healthcare workers.

People threatening healthcare workers should be arrested. Since I suspect it is happening more in conservative areas, and they believe in law and order, they should agree with it.

ETA: I feel so owned

[Opti]

Maybe this is the article?

www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/vigilante-treatments-anti-vaccine-groups-push-people-leave-icus-rcna2233

Anti-vaccine Facebook groups have a new message for their community members: Don’t go to the emergency room, and get your loved ones out of intensive care units.

Some people in groups that formed recently to promote the false cure ivermectin, an anti-parasite treatment, have claimed extracting Covid patients from hospitals is pivotal so that they can self-medicate at home with ivermectin. But as the patients begin to realize that ivermectin by itself is not effective, the groups have begun recommending a series of increasingly hazardous at-home treatments, such as gargling with iodine, and nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide, calling it part of a “protocol.”

[MJ2.0]

Sept 24, 2021 9:20:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So now, anti vac Facebook groups are advocating that people refuse to go to the hospital if they get Covid, and to take their loved ones out of ICUs because doctors are killing people on purpose.

So now there are growing threats against doctors and nurses.

Can’t post on my phone, but NBC news has an article about vigilante treatments and threats to doctors.

That’s some messed up thinking.

Some of the home remedies they say will work - nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide and gargling with iodine.

I’m not a medical person but I was a chemist - hydrogen peroxide does destroy organic material really well but guess what - humans are made of organic material.

What bullshit. I can’t even.

Facebook really needs to do something about all this propaganda - like screen things better. They are a private corporation and do not have to adhere to the 1st Amendment.

[thyme4change]

Sept 24, 2021 9:35:03 GMT -5 Opti said:

Maybe this is the article?

www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/vigilante-treatments-anti-vaccine-groups-push-people-leave-icus-rcna2233

Anti-vaccine Facebook groups have a new message for their community members: Don’t go to the emergency room, and get your loved ones out of intensive care units.

Some people in groups that formed recently to promote the false cure ivermectin, an anti-parasite treatment, have claimed extracting Covid patients from hospitals is pivotal so that they can self-medicate at home with ivermectin. But as the patients begin to realize that ivermectin by itself is not effective, the groups have begun recommending a series of increasingly hazardous at-home treatments, such as gargling with iodine, and nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide, calling it part of a “protocol.”

I think this is equivalent to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. The government could do something, and if they get sued, let it go to the Supreme Court to determine if uneducated people spreading harmful medical advice to mass amounts of people is covered by 1A.

[happyhoix]

Sept 24, 2021 9:56:29 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 24, 2021 9:35:03 GMT -5 Opti said:

Maybe this is the article?

www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/vigilante-treatments-anti-vaccine-groups-push-people-leave-icus-rcna2233

Anti-vaccine Facebook groups have a new message for their community members: Don’t go to the emergency room, and get your loved ones out of intensive care units.

Some people in groups that formed recently to promote the false cure ivermectin, an anti-parasite treatment, have claimed extracting Covid patients from hospitals is pivotal so that they can self-medicate at home with ivermectin. But as the patients begin to realize that ivermectin by itself is not effective, the groups have begun recommending a series of increasingly hazardous at-home treatments, such as gargling with iodine, and nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide, calling it part of a “protocol.”

I think this is equivalent to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. The government could do something, and if they get sued, let it go to the Supreme Court to determine if uneducated people spreading harmful medical advice to mass amounts of people is covered by 1A.

On the one hand, I agree with you about Facebook. They need to stop allowing that.

On the other hand, if you’re convinced your doctors wants to kill you so you stay at home when you’re at deaths door and let your drunk uncle spray a corrosive liquid up your nose - well, you do you.

Maybe we should consider this a large Darwinian reset to the gene pool. Which we need - we’ve been sloping towards stupid for a while now.

[nidena]

For the folx that are making these decisions and they themselves are getting sick and/or dying, it's Darwinism at its finest.  It's when others die from other's choices that it's indescribable.

[thyme4change]

Sept 24, 2021 10:22:37 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 24, 2021 9:56:29 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I think this is equivalent to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. The government could do something, and if they get sued, let it go to the Supreme Court to determine if uneducated people spreading harmful medical advice to mass amounts of people is covered by 1A.

On the one hand, I agree with you about Facebook. They need to stop allowing that.

On the other hand, if you’re convinced your doctors wants to kill you so you stay at home when you’re at deaths door and let your drunk uncle spray a corrosive liquid up your nose - well, you do you.

Maybe we should consider this a large Darwinian reset to the gene pool. Which we need - we’ve been sloping towards stupid for a while now.

If you give inadequate care - even as a non-medical caregiver, there can be legal repercussions. Also, one person deciding the treatment he is being given is not right is fine. It is the massive spreading of dangerously wrong facts that could harm a lot of people - and it could harm a lot of innocent bystanders. This isn't a broken leg, and you refusing treatment makes your life worse. This is people spreading the disease at every school, every workplace, every grocery store and every restaurant. They are taking down strangers. Vaccinations are not 100%, and wearing masks doesn't protect the wearer as much as the people around the wearer. You could do all the right things, but you might cross paths with 100 people who believed a bunch of bullshit and decided to walk around town with a fever and a cough.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Sept 24, 2021 9:20:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So now, anti vac Facebook groups are advocating that people refuse to go to the hospital if they get Covid, and to take their loved ones out of ICUs because doctors are killing people on purpose.

So now there are growing threats against doctors and nurses.

Can’t post on my phone, but NBC news has an article about vigilante treatments and threats to doctors.

That’s some messed up thinking.

Some of the home remedies they say will work - nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide and gargling with iodine.

I’m not a medical person but I was a chemist - hydrogen peroxide does destroy organic material really well but guess what - humans are made of organic material.

What bullshit. I can’t even.

Well to be fair if you inhale enough hydrogen peroxide you won't have COVID anymore.

You'll be dead but that's not an important detail.  The important detail is you were right, you no longer have COVID!   In fact you cured all diseases so go you!

[MJ2.0]

Sept 24, 2021 10:33:25 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Sept 24, 2021 9:20:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So now, anti vac Facebook groups are advocating that people refuse to go to the hospital if they get Covid, and to take their loved ones out of ICUs because doctors are killing people on purpose.

So now there are growing threats against doctors and nurses.

Can’t post on my phone, but NBC news has an article about vigilante treatments and threats to doctors.

That’s some messed up thinking.

Some of the home remedies they say will work - nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide and gargling with iodine.

I’m not a medical person but I was a chemist - hydrogen peroxide does destroy organic material really well but guess what - humans are made of organic material.

What bullshit. I can’t even.

Well to be fair if you inhale enough hydrogen peroxide you won't have COVID anymore.

You'll be dead but that's not an important detail.  The important detail is you were right, you no longer have COVID!   In fact you cured all diseases so go you!

If only we could limit the collateral damage to the idiot adults that believe this stuff….

[happyhoix]

Sept 24, 2021 10:32:52 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 24, 2021 10:22:37 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

On the one hand, I agree with you about Facebook. They need to stop allowing that.

On the other hand, if you’re convinced your doctors wants to kill you so you stay at home when you’re at deaths door and let your drunk uncle spray a corrosive liquid up your nose - well, you do you.

Maybe we should consider this a large Darwinian reset to the gene pool. Which we need - we’ve been sloping towards stupid for a while now.

If you give inadequate care - even as a non-medical caregiver, there can be legal repercussions. Also, one person deciding the treatment he is being given is not right is fine. It is the massive spreading of dangerously wrong facts that could harm a lot of people - and it could harm a lot of innocent bystanders. This isn't a broken leg, and you refusing treatment makes your life worse. This is people spreading the disease at every school, every workplace, every grocery store and every restaurant. They are taking down strangers. Vaccinations are not 100%, and wearing masks doesn't protect the wearer as much as the people around the wearer. You could do all the right things, but you might cross paths with 100 people who believed a bunch of bullshit and decided to walk around town with a fever and a cough.

I agree- but there is nothing any of us will be able to say or do to convince most of the unvaccinated they need to get a vaccine. It would have been helpful if social media had deleted all the misinformation as it popped up, but at this point, if it suddenly all went away, the anti vac vac people would see that as a deep state conspiracy too.

We’re stuck with the dewormer idiots. Until Covid finally goes away or all the anti vac people do.

[thyme4change]

Sept 24, 2021 10:40:56 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 24, 2021 10:32:52 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

If you give inadequate care - even as a non-medical caregiver, there can be legal repercussions. Also, one person deciding the treatment he is being given is not right is fine. It is the massive spreading of dangerously wrong facts that could harm a lot of people - and it could harm a lot of innocent bystanders. This isn't a broken leg, and you refusing treatment makes your life worse. This is people spreading the disease at every school, every workplace, every grocery store and every restaurant. They are taking down strangers. Vaccinations are not 100%, and wearing masks doesn't protect the wearer as much as the people around the wearer. You could do all the right things, but you might cross paths with 100 people who believed a bunch of bullshit and decided to walk around town with a fever and a cough.

I agree- but there is nothing any of us will be able to say or do to convince most of the unvaccinated they need to get a vaccine. It would have been helpful if social media had deleted all the misinformation as it popped up, but at this point, if it suddenly all went away, the anti vac vac people would see that as a deep state conspiracy too.

We’re stuck with the dewormer idiots. Until Covid finally goes away or all the anti vac people do.

I'm not talking about getting the vaccine- that ship has sailed. But if people are stopped from spreading the next pack of dangerous bullshit, it would help us all.

I can joke just as well as the next guy that all the dumb-ass republican voters can eat all the horse paste they want and kill themselves and therefore stop voting, but that isn't what is going to happen. Half the ivermectin people will never get a covid diagnosis, and 99% of the ones who do get covid will live. And the few that get some long term effects will blame them on age or downplay them. Most of them won't be deterred, and they will continue to spread whatever they hear. It needs to be stomped down.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 24, 2021 9:15:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 24, 2021 8:55:39 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Now, Tennessee is only going to provide monoclonal antibodies to the unvaccinated.  I wonder how that lack of FDA approval issue is working out there.  Hypocrite much?

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tennessee-limiting-monoclonal-antibody-treatment-unvaccinated-residents-n1279740

None of it makes any sense. And since I have to have these discussions with people, it makes even less sense. After 15 minutes of discussion with a long time patient, he told me I made some good points, but he was still unsure, but he needed to do his own research. I asked him what qualified him to understand this and research it better than I can. He is a truck driver, so that obviously makes him an expert in Biomedical research!

People wonder why we have had it.

So I had this conversation with my sister last week.  You know those equations you see online and they want the correct answer.  Getting the correct answer means you need to remember the order of which mathematical operations to do first.

My sister had this argument with a guy online,  she explained why she was right, the guy argued with her that she was wrong and she threw out her trump card that her degree was in Applied Mathematics.  It shut him down.

This would have been the perfect time to tell her I know exactly how she feels as she does it to me regularly.  But I was in a good mood, the sun was shining, the scenery was spectacular and I simply didn’t want to get into yet another argument about covid and ruin my vacation.  

However, this is filed in the back of my brain to use when the time is right and I need to do battle.  Believe me, I WILL use it.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 24, 2021 11:21:30 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Sept 24, 2021 9:15:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

None of it makes any sense. And since I have to have these discussions with people, it makes even less sense. After 15 minutes of discussion with a long time patient, he told me I made some good points, but he was still unsure, but he needed to do his own research. I asked him what qualified him to understand this and research it better than I can. He is a truck driver, so that obviously makes him an expert in Biomedical research!

People wonder why we have had it.

So I had this conversation with my sister last week.  You know those equations you see online and they want the correct answer.  Getting the correct answer means you need to remember the order of which mathematical operations to do first.

My sister had this argument with a guy online,  she explained why she was right, the guy argued with her that she was wrong and she threw out her trump card that her degree was in Applied Mathematics.  It shut him down.

This would have been the perfect time to tell her I know exactly how she feels as she does it to me regularly.  But I was in a good mood, the sun was shining, the scenery was spectacular and I simply didn’t want to get into yet another argument about covid and ruin my vacation.  

However, this is filed in the back of my brain to use when the time is right and I need to do battle.  Believe me, I WILL use it.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but in my recent experience, it doesn't work. They are impervious to logic, science, or expertise.

I have hit the wall today. May have gone a little overboard with one idiot in the office today. I feel like I am done. Going home tonight to drink myself into a coma.

[Lizard Queen]

Sept 24, 2021 11:21:30 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Sept 24, 2021 9:15:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

None of it makes any sense. And since I have to have these discussions with people, it makes even less sense. After 15 minutes of discussion with a long time patient, he told me I made some good points, but he was still unsure, but he needed to do his own research. I asked him what qualified him to understand this and research it better than I can. He is a truck driver, so that obviously makes him an expert in Biomedical research!

People wonder why we have had it.

So I had this conversation with my sister last week.  You know those equations you see online and they want the correct answer.  Getting the correct answer means you need to remember the order of which mathematical operations to do first.

My sister had this argument with a guy online,  she explained why she was right, the guy argued with her that she was wrong and she threw out her trump card that her degree was in Applied Mathematics.  It shut him down.

This would have been the perfect time to tell her I know exactly how she feels as she does it to me regularly.  But I was in a good mood, the sun was shining, the scenery was spectacular and I simply didn’t want to get into yet another argument about covid and ruin my vacation.  

However, this is filed in the back of my brain to use when the time is right and I need to do battle.  Believe me, I WILL use it.

Shoulda mentioned it then and there, maybe not even all the way, "and I have a degree in biology", and leave it there. She probably would have been more receptive at that time.

[swamp]

Sept 24, 2021 9:20:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So now, anti vac Facebook groups are advocating that people refuse to go to the hospital if they get Covid, and to take their loved ones out of ICUs because doctors are killing people on purpose.

So now there are growing threats against doctors and nurses.

Can’t post on my phone, but NBC news has an article about vigilante treatments and threats to doctors.

That’s some messed up thinking.

Some of the home remedies they say will work - nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide and gargling with iodine.

I’m not a medical person but I was a chemist - hydrogen peroxide does destroy organic material really well but guess what - humans are made of organic material.

What bullshit. I can’t even.

Let them.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Sept 24, 2021 12:15:32 GMT -5 swamp said:

Sept 24, 2021 9:20:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So now, anti vac Facebook groups are advocating that people refuse to go to the hospital if they get Covid, and to take their loved ones out of ICUs because doctors are killing people on purpose.

So now there are growing threats against doctors and nurses.

Can’t post on my phone, but NBC news has an article about vigilante treatments and threats to doctors.

That’s some messed up thinking.

Some of the home remedies they say will work - nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide and gargling with iodine.

I’m not a medical person but I was a chemist - hydrogen peroxide does destroy organic material really well but guess what - humans are made of organic material.

What bullshit. I can’t even.

Let them.

Right?  It seems like a win/win to me.  They get to treat themselves as they see fit and there is no ethical dilemma question about not treating non-vaxxers to keep ICU beds open for other health crisis issues.

[anciana]

Sept 24, 2021 11:34:19 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 24, 2021 11:21:30 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

So I had this conversation with my sister last week.  You know those equations you see online and they want the correct answer.  Getting the correct answer means you need to remember the order of which mathematical operations to do first.

My sister had this argument with a guy online,  she explained why she was right, the guy argued with her that she was wrong and she threw out her trump card that her degree was in Applied Mathematics.  It shut him down.

This would have been the perfect time to tell her I know exactly how she feels as she does it to me regularly.  But I was in a good mood, the sun was shining, the scenery was spectacular and I simply didn’t want to get into yet another argument about covid and ruin my vacation.  

However, this is filed in the back of my brain to use when the time is right and I need to do battle.  Believe me, I WILL use it.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but in my recent experience, it doesn't work. They are impervious to logic, science, or expertise.

I have hit the wall today. May have gone a little overboard with one idiot in the office today. I feel like I am done. Going home tonight to drink myself into a coma.

I am so sorry for the mental exhaustion on top of everything else, pulmonarymd. I read this article and though of you and your colleagues:
Doctor who has lost over 100 patients to covid says some deny virus from their deathbeds: ‘I don’t believe you’

“We are physically tired as a whole, me included, and we are emotionally exhausted. … I don’t think a week goes by that I don’t see someone pass away,” he told The Washington Post.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 24, 2021 13:54:32 GMT -5 anciana said:

Sept 24, 2021 11:34:19 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but in my recent experience, it doesn't work. They are impervious to logic, science, or expertise.

I have hit the wall today. May have gone a little overboard with one idiot in the office today. I feel like I am done. Going home tonight to drink myself into a coma.

I am so sorry for the mental exhaustion on top of everything else, pulmonarymd . I read this article and though of you and your colleagues:
Doctor who has lost over 100 patients to covid says some deny virus from their deathbeds: ‘I don’t believe you’

“We are physically tired as a whole, me included, and we are emotionally exhausted. … I don’t think a week goes by that I don’t see someone pass away,” he told The Washington Post.

Thanks. I have had a difficult week with some of these patients and their beliefs. Facts do not matter. And we have to pick up the pieces. i understand people are tired of this. You know what, I am tired too. This has dominated my professional life for 18 months, and we have at least another 6 to go. It is far more frustrating now. Early on, we could not do anything, and that was frustrating. The vaccine was approved, and it was like a miracle and this ray of hope. Now it is despair, because we are seeing needless suffering and deaths, the overwhelming majority which are preventable, and it just seems to be such a waste. I understand where these physician and nurses are coming from.

[NastyWoman]

Sept 24, 2021 10:33:25 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Sept 24, 2021 9:20:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So now, anti vac Facebook groups are advocating that people refuse to go to the hospital if they get Covid, and to take their loved ones out of ICUs because doctors are killing people on purpose.

So now there are growing threats against doctors and nurses.

Can’t post on my phone, but NBC news has an article about vigilante treatments and threats to doctors.

That’s some messed up thinking.

Some of the home remedies they say will work - nebulizing and inhaling hydrogen peroxide and gargling with iodine.

I’m not a medical person but I was a chemist - hydrogen peroxide does destroy organic material really well but guess what - humans are made of organic material.

What bullshit. I can’t even.

Well to be fair if you inhale enough hydrogen peroxide you won't have COVID anymore.

You'll be dead but that's not an important detail.  The important detail is you were right, you no longer have COVID!   In fact you cured all diseases so go you!

There is that but that result is not different from "doctors killing people on purpose".  And the latter is the part I really, really do not understand. Why would medical personnel kill their patients? Even these nitwits have to understand that, if nothing else, a dead patient has a zero income stream for doctors/hospitals. So if it were only about money doctors have every incentive to keep their patients alive! A slightly more rational person would see that the risk of infection, disease, loss of personal life, etc.  that all medical personnel encounters now shows that is not at all about money - but recognizing that does require using whatever passes for their brain.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Sept 24, 2021 15:24:48 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Sept 24, 2021 10:33:25 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Well to be fair if you inhale enough hydrogen peroxide you won't have COVID anymore.

You'll be dead but that's not an important detail.  The important detail is you were right, you no longer have COVID!   In fact you cured all diseases so go you!

There is that but that result is not different from "doctors killing people on purpose".  And the latter is the part I really, really do not understand. Why would medical personnel kill their patients? Even these nitwits have to understand that, if nothing else, a dead patient has a zero income stream for doctors/hospitals. So if it were only about money doctors have every incentive to keep their patients alive! A slightly more rational person would see that the risk of infection, disease, loss of personal life, etc.  that all medical personnel encounters now shows that is not at all about money - but recognizing that does require using whatever passes for their brain.

They kill people because all doctors are part of the liberal agenda and must keep the secret.  So they HAVE to kill people so there is a death toll for CNN to report to get you scared enough to go get the vaccine.

Duh!

Or it is a bunch of actors that they hire to "die" then they all go into witness protection so nobody finds out.   Doesn't quite have the same dramatic flair as the above does though.

My question is if doctors really were killing people on purpose how has NO ONE in the days of cell phone cameras caught doctors in the act?   There are a lot of staff and patients at hospitals many of whom are true believers.  Why haven't any of them recorded proof yet?   You'd think you would be recording 24/7 

I don't even need to go into logic or reason with conspiracy theories.  You have a camera that record and post anything in seconds right in your pocket.  Yet NOT ONE PERSON has ever captured proof of the bus loads of voting illegals, doctors killing patients, grabbing a vaccine syringe and squirting the microchip onto the table.   Bigfoot crossing the interstate.

Nada.  I don't understand how you get around that.   It's in your pocket constantly there, you use it to post your conspiracy videos!

[azucena]

The peroxide swillers can say they died WITH covid instead of FROM covid - winning!

[thyme4change]

Sept 24, 2021 16:06:34 GMT -5 azucena said:

The peroxide swillers can say they died WITH covid instead of FROM covid - winning!

They died doing what they loved....their own research.

They died doing what they loved....owning the liberals.

[Opti]

Sept 24, 2021 16:10:35 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 24, 2021 16:06:34 GMT -5 azucena said:

The peroxide swillers can say they died WITH covid instead of FROM covid - winning!

They died doing what they loved....their own research.

They died doing what they loved....owning the liberals.

If they think  feel that is owning liberals they probably don't get avoiding the vaccine is not owning liberals either.

[MJ2.0]

Sept 24, 2021 16:10:35 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 24, 2021 16:06:34 GMT -5 azucena said:

The peroxide swillers can say they died WITH covid instead of FROM covid - winning!

They died doing what they loved....their own research.

Yes - they barely passed high school science but they have “done research” on the vaccine….