Unvaccinated

[Opti]

Sept 21, 2021 7:25:31 GMT -5 swamp said:

Sept 18, 2021 13:56:36 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Isn't this like the equivalent of choosing abortion as a method of birth control? Very ironic if you consider where most Covidiots stand on that issue!

According to my pharmacist husband, monoclonal antibody treatment has a much higher adverse reaction rate than the vaccine.

With the vaccine you feel like shit a few days. The you can have a severe allergic reaction to the antibody treatment including anaphylaxis

That is a good thing to know. Surprised that hasn't been communicated to the public.

[Opti]

She was 29 and worried about the fertility claims she read about.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/family-urges-others-to-get-vaccinated-after-bride-to-be-dies-of-covid-misinformation-killed-her/ar-AAOEIjm?ocid=msedgntp

[Opti]

Anti-Covid vaccine activist

www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/weddings/unmasked-unmuzzled-unvaccinated-mother-of-four-dies-of-covid/ar-AAODzRv?ocid=undefined

[Lizard Queen]

Unmasked, unvaxed, un-alive.

[jerseygirl]

So sad so stupid

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 21, 2021 7:25:31 GMT -5 swamp said:

Sept 18, 2021 13:56:36 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Isn't this like the equivalent of choosing abortion as a method of birth control? Very ironic if you consider where most Covidiots stand on that issue!

According to my pharmacist husband, monoclonal antibody treatment has a much higher adverse reaction rate than the vaccine.

With the vaccine you feel like shit a few days. The you can have a severe allergic reaction to the antibody treatment including anaphylaxis

Not only that, it must be given in a certain time frame, and before you are sick enough to be hospitalized. It is about 70% effective at preventing hospitalizations, and the antibodies disappear in a few months, which leaves you vulnerable to reinfection. Given antibodies may also depress your bodies immune response, so you may actually not have the immunity you would have had, leaving you more susceptible to infection.

All of which leads to the conclusion that vaccination is still a better choice. Not only that, but these treatments are under an EUA, so they are no less "experimental" than the vaccine is. So, if the concern about the vaccine is long term effects, how are these treatments any different?

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

Sept 20, 2021 16:24:05 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Sept 20, 2021 16:22:12 GMT -5 busymom said:

   It's wayyyyyy past time for folks to sue Fox News for all of the misinformation they give out.  Seems to me that people dying due to bad information should hold up in court.

Class action lawsuit!

The problem is they have been sued. The defense attorney literally used the argument that Fox News is entertainment only and no one in their right mind would believe anything--Tucker specifically--from them. 


link to NPR article

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

Personal anecdote: 
There's a woman I've worked with/been friends with for a decade who is the same age as I am. She and her husband--the husband especially--were taking the Christian evangelical anti-vaccination stance. The husband died last week of COVID. Their children are 9 and 13. I'm pretty pissed off at him. 

[Lizard Queen]

Sept 21, 2021 9:02:22 GMT -5 Knee Deep in Water Chloe said:

Sept 20, 2021 16:24:05 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Class action lawsuit!

The problem is they have been sued. The defense attorney literally used the argument that Fox News is entertainment only and no one in their right mind would believe anything--Tucker specifically--from them. 


link to NPR article

Let the preponderance of evidence show that people are listening to them as if they are news.

[Lizard Queen]

[Opti]

This is sad.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/anti-vaxxers-in-vancouver-delayed-an-ambulance-carrying-someone-bleeding-out-from-getting-to-the-hospital/ar-AAOEJgM?ocid=msedgntp


A Vancouver paramedic with more than three decades of experience - whose identity CBC kept confidential - said her team picked up a patient who was suffering from an arterial bleed from an industrial accident. The trip from Vancouver's waterfront, where the patient was working on a construction site, to the hospial normally takes around eight minutes but took more than twice as long, CBC reported.



British Columbia Ambulance Service told CBC that there were several reports of delays as paramedics navigated the congestion.

[jerseygirl]

Those stupid inconsiderate selfish anti axxers protesting delayed a critical patient to get help
They should be arrested

[Opti]

Another one.

www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/ariz-mom-dies-from-covid-a-week-after-giving-birth-i-wish-she-had-gotten-vaccinated-sooner-says-boyfriend/ar-AAOIY75?ocid=msedgntp

A 31-year-old Arizona woman who tested positive for COVID-19 while pregnant died just over a week after welcoming a baby girl.

Cotton first fell ill in August with what she believed was the flu, according to Jerome. Though she tested negative for COVID-19 when she went to the hospital, her symptoms got worse and she returned to the emergency room three days later. After another test came back positive for the respiratory virus, Cotton — then 36 weeks pregnant — underwent an emergency caesarian section to deliver her child, Jerome said.

[Opti]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sri-lankan-shaman-dies-of-covid-after-touting-cure/ar-AAOKvPZ?ocid=msedgntp

A Sri Lankan shaman who touted a potion which he said would protect people against Covid-19 has died with the disease, his family says. Eliyantha White treated sports stars and top politicians with the potion, which he said came to him in a dream.

The 48-year-old fell ill with the virus earlier this month and was taken to hospital where his condition worsened.



His potion was publicly endorsed by Sri Lanka's former health minister, Pavithra Wanniarachchi, who subsequently spent two weeks in intensive care with Covid.

[nidena]

I wonder how many of these folks had life insurance...

If they don't, it's truly salt on the wound for their families.

[azucena]

Only half of American adults have life insurance.  Only 30M have sufficient coverage.

During the initial pandemic stage, we saw sales tick up 5-10% and then they quickly went back to normal.  If that didn't get people to buy it, nothing will.

[nidena]

I imagine many people just don't see the point.  They feel they have better things to do with that money each month.  

If they're like me, I can understand that: Nobody is depending upon my income.  

I think many who are low-income/poverty don't realize there are options for them that don't cost anything.

[seriousthistime]

Sept 21, 2021 9:08:47 GMT -5 Knee Deep in Water Chloe said:

Personal anecdote: 
There's a woman I've worked with/been friends with for a decade who is the same age as I am. She and her husband--the husband especially--were taking the Christian evangelical anti-vaccination stance. The husband died last week of COVID. Their children are 9 and 13. I'm pretty pissed off at him. 

And elsewhere in this thread or another one similar to it, we were discussing the costs to society associated with treating COVID cases (i.e., who pays for hospitalizations , increased insurance rates, hospital write-offs for patients who can't pay, etc.).  This was one we forgot to mention, the cost of Social Security survivor benefits to the family. 

[Opti]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mother-of-8-dies-of-covid-19-complications-after-spending-a-week-on-ventilator-a-nightmare/ar-AAOKGuD?ocid=msedgntp

Another. Just noticing most of these that are reported are white. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I don't get being a parent and not getting vaccinated.   The risk of leaving my children motherless and my husband a widow to me are far less tolerable than any possible "side effect" a vaccine may have later down the road.   Whatever side effect may be I'll at least have lived to see my children grow to adulthood.   Catching COVID may not provide me with that opportunity so why risk it?   

Just because the neighbor told you his son who heard it from who heard it from his aunt heard it from her grandmother who heard it from Tucker Carlson called COVID "just a bad cold" doesn't mean YOU are going to get that lucky.

There is far far more data on the safety and efficacy of mRNA and mRNA vaccines than we know about COVID-19.  Let alone COVID-19 long term effects which will likely take decades to figure out as people age.  I honestly do not understand how some people risk assess.  

It's also getting a little freaky to watch how fast karma is acting in real time anymore.   I mean it was going to catch up with a lot of these people eventually but oof. 

[MJ2.0]

Sept 23, 2021 13:31:05 GMT -5 nidena said:

I imagine many people just don't see the point.  They feel they have better things to do with that money each month.  

If they're like me, I can understand that: Nobody is depending upon my income.  

I think many who are low-income/poverty don't realize there are options for them that don't cost anything.

It’s not just about you getting sick, it’s also about spreading it to others with a weaker immune system.

[andi9899]

Sept 23, 2021 15:41:49 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Sept 23, 2021 13:31:05 GMT -5 nidena said:

I imagine many people just don't see the point.  They feel they have better things to do with that money each month.  

If they're like me, I can understand that: Nobody is depending upon my income.  

I think many who are low-income/poverty don't realize there are options for them that don't cost anything.

It’s not just about you getting sick, it’s also about spreading it to others with a weaker immune system.

She was referring to purchasing life insurance.

[nidena]

Sept 23, 2021 15:41:49 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Sept 23, 2021 13:31:05 GMT -5 nidena said:

I imagine many people just don't see the point.  They feel they have better things to do with that money each month.  

If they're like me, I can understand that: Nobody is depending upon my income.  

I think many who are low-income/poverty don't realize there are options for them that don't cost anything.

It’s not just about you getting sick, it’s also about spreading it to others with a weaker immune system.

How do you jump to your statement from what I said?  I was talking about the actual monetary COST of life insurance.

[MJ2.0]

Ah okay, my bad. Should have read more. 😳

[happyhoix]

Sept 21, 2021 9:00:08 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 21, 2021 7:25:31 GMT -5 swamp said:

According to my pharmacist husband, monoclonal antibody treatment has a much higher adverse reaction rate than the vaccine.

With the vaccine you feel like shit a few days. The you can have a severe allergic reaction to the antibody treatment including anaphylaxis

Not only that, it must be given in a certain time frame, and before you are sick enough to be hospitalized. It is about 70% effective at preventing hospitalizations, and the antibodies disappear in a few months, which leaves you vulnerable to reinfection. Given antibodies may also depress your bodies immune response, so you may actually not have the immunity you would have had, leaving you more susceptible to infection.

All of which leads to the conclusion that vaccination is still a better choice. Not only that, but these treatments are under an EUA, so they are no less "experimental" than the vaccine is. So, if the concern about the vaccine is long term effects, how are these treatments any different?

The antibodies come from someone else who had the disease and recovered, right? So you run the risk of getting other people’s various blood borne diseases along with the antibodies? And the anti vac vets prefer that to just getting a vaccine?

Or do they have a way of replicating the antibodies in a nice sterile lab, rather in someone’s body?

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 23, 2021 16:25:24 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 21, 2021 9:00:08 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Not only that, it must be given in a certain time frame, and before you are sick enough to be hospitalized. It is about 70% effective at preventing hospitalizations, and the antibodies disappear in a few months, which leaves you vulnerable to reinfection. Given antibodies may also depress your bodies immune response, so you may actually not have the immunity you would have had, leaving you more susceptible to infection.

All of which leads to the conclusion that vaccination is still a better choice. Not only that, but these treatments are under an EUA, so they are no less "experimental" than the vaccine is. So, if the concern about the vaccine is long term effects, how are these treatments any different?

The antibodies come from someone else who had the disease and recovered, right? So you run the risk of getting other people’s various blood borne diseases along with the antibodies? And the anti vac vets prefer that to just getting a vaccine?

Or do they have a way of replicating the antibodies in a nice sterile lab, rather in someone’s body?

They are lab made. The drug is a unique antibody against one site. That is what makes them so powerful, you know how they work, and you can pick the most powerful antibody. What you are describing is convalescent serum, which has not been effective in clinical trials. One of the original monoclonal antibody is no longer used, because the mutations have made it ineffective.

The idiocy about accepting these and not the vaccines is the following:

Vaccines are based on centuries old technology
Monoclonal antibodies are much newer technology
Both were released under an EUA
Both have been studied for a short period of time
We do not know the long term effects of these any better than we know the long term effects of the vaccines
The vaccines are more effective at preventing disease
And, the vaccines have been given to hundreds of millions of people eith only side effects, while these have been given to far fewer people

[Lizard Queen]

I'm not really into pointing out a bunch of random people getting covid because of their stupid choices, but the loud-mouths and these, I will:

[Opti]

Idiots. I guess some people aren't paying attention that Delta is worse and the average age of people dying from Covid is dropping.

[nidena]

I wonder what this chart will look like in a couple years, once 2020 and beyond are added.

[happyhoix]

Sept 23, 2021 19:55:31 GMT -5 nidena said:

I wonder what this chart will look like in a couple years, once 2020 and beyond are added.

I’m not sure, but I do know the population of Alabama, for the first time in their history, had more deaths than births last year.

Since the majority of Alabamaians are GOPers, that’s not great for the Grand Old Party.