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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 17:03:03 GMT -5
If you are Piers Morgan, that's exactly what you believe. One such reaction was to Markle opening up about her struggle with suicidal ideation during her time with the royal family, as well as alleging she was denied help by the institution. Morgan inferred Markle was lying.
"Okay, let's have the names," said Morgan. "Who did you go to? What did they say to you? I'm sorry, I don't believe a word she says, Meghan Markle. I wouldn't believe her if she read me a weather report."
i tv running an entire mental health campaign around reaching out to people who need it the most while allowing piers morgan to say he doesn't believe a black woman had suicidal ideation on their flagship show says everything you need to know about corporate wellbeing posturing
— lucy ford (@lucyj_ford) March 8, 2021
www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/piers-morgan-faces-calls-to-be-fired-over-meghan-markle-tv-comments/ar-BB1enl6f?ocid=msedgntpThis is Piers Morgan being unrealistic about a two hour interview. Everything? Really?
"This is a two hour trash-a-thon of our royal family, of the monarchy, of everything the queen has worked so hard for," Morgan said angrily. "
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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 17:25:09 GMT -5
She's wrong about the title thing simply because she doesn't know protocol but she knows titles can be granted. Only because I am off today have I learned there was a law limiting royal titles to progeny of the main line.
The royals have made the choice to only talk to the press about projects they do for the country, or so I believe. Given she's no longer in the palace nor supported by them financially or otherwise why should she follow those rules? She's not getting paid for it.
Maybe you can see if you can get an interview with Oprah or Piers to trash her. Be accurate though, she did want both her Dad and Mom to attend, and after reading various places one can decide why he did not come (health, embarrassment? other). Her half siblings are a mess and she was an only child.
If there was no racism whatsoever, why any discussion at all about skin tone of offspring of H&M? Do you think there was a skin tone discussion for Kate & William? Diana and Charles? It is sad you don't get that she can be welcomed into the family and still have racism exist within the palace and the country. These are not mutually exclusive things.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 8, 2021 17:31:04 GMT -5
I have heard a lot of people talking about how she is on TV all the time. Is she on TV a lot? The Oprah interview is the first time there was something big. Other than that, I may have missed things. I don't pay enough attention. What else has she done?
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Post by imawino on Mar 8, 2021 17:41:09 GMT -5
She is trying to say that Archie didn't have a title because he had colour?....... Thats outrageous The Queen has loads of grandchildren and great grandchildren ....... they aren't all titled unless directly in line to the throne.... nor do they have security unless they are working Royals. Kates kids are titled, of course, because she will be Queen one day. The Royals don't talk to the press, they just don't ..... so for her to want to have her freedom to air her grievances in public shows a complete misunderstanding of how the palace works. Her gushing mawkishness is just uncomfortable. No mention of the fact that she only invited one member of her family to a such huge wedding .... Who does that? There was no racism. This argument is offensive..... She was welcomed and popular. Being worried that a baby's skin may be too dark is racist. And defending the comment, or how exactly it was heard by Harry or anyone else, is fucking weird. Knowing that people think your offspring will be too black to be royal probably makes someone not feel super welcome. You saying it's not racist does not make it not racist. You believing that she was welcome does not make that true either. Your anger at her makes me totally get why anyone would want to get out of that situation! LOL I can't imagine having this level of personal vitriol directed at me all the damn time.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 8, 2021 17:51:08 GMT -5
I know they went after Kate and I do remembering the mocking because William didn't propose fast enough for the press. Its a sad thing though then if the press feels entitled to a decade's worth of sport until the next target comes along. They both got married and had babies shortly thereafter as expected of royals. I don't know which pregnancy that is of Kate, but should their horrible behavior of GF Kate really excuse this? Who said anything about excusing it? I'm merely pointing out that everyone uses those comparisons to show how they're sooo nice to Kate and awful to Meghan and my point was that they weren't so nice to Kate in the beginning. It took years for most of the vitriol against Kate to go away - she just didn't get married until years into it and the kid didn't come until 2 years after being married. So it's a bit disingenuous to compare stories of Kate over a decade into her being royal news to Meghan when she was 2 years in. That in and of itself is horrific. Is the standard is that the media can drive anyone who dares to marry a royal to the brink of suicide, but if that person can just hold on for 10 years, the press will soften? Yikes. Disney never showed us that part of the story.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 8, 2021 17:53:38 GMT -5
I didn't really understand why they felt they needed to leave royal life completely before, but I think I get it now. With a brand new baby, I'd want to move heaven and earth to protect him from that kind of nastiness, too. The term, golden handcuffs, comes to mind. I understand most of the royals willingly wear their golden handcuffs, but they also get a lot of respect and deference in return. Didn't look like Archie would get that upside, just additional scrutiny. Might have taken a miracle for him to grow up in that environment and not gotten fucked up in the head.
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Post by justme on Mar 8, 2021 18:42:43 GMT -5
Who said anything about excusing it? I'm merely pointing out that everyone uses those comparisons to show how they're sooo nice to Kate and awful to Meghan and my point was that they weren't so nice to Kate in the beginning. It took years for most of the vitriol against Kate to go away - she just didn't get married until years into it and the kid didn't come until 2 years after being married. So it's a bit disingenuous to compare stories of Kate over a decade into her being royal news to Meghan when she was 2 years in. That in and of itself is horrific. Is the standard is that the media can drive anyone who dares to marry a royal to the brink of suicide, but if that person can just hold on for 10 years, the press will soften? Yikes. Disney never showed us that part of the story. Definitely horrific. I'm sure getting those photos of her from a long lens greatly affected Kate. Over here most celebs go in and out of being the news so it switches between them based on the winds - but over there the royals are staples. I think Harry and Meghan will be staples over here though so I was surprised they picked the paparazzi capital of the country. I know it's her home state, but I would have picked a middle of nowhere place - it's not like Netflix was like you have to live in Cali.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Mar 8, 2021 20:45:26 GMT -5
H. was tired of the whole thing then said he wanted to watch it. My take on this is Meghan had no idea what she was getting into. As did Dianna.
Meghan and Harry decided to leave the royals who can be compared to a business enterprise. When someone leaves the business, they leave behind all the nice perks. And all this controversy is the corporate hangover.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 8, 2021 22:47:53 GMT -5
I'm not that interested in any of it. It's like contemplating the size of a Kardashian Ass. I'm not really sure why that's important or why I should care what size it is. I kind of get why Harry and Meghan would choose to break with the Royal Family (or whatever the "enterprise/company" is called. Heck, it's like Diana is never NOT in the news somewhere - I can't imagine everyday having to face your dead mother who is frozen forever in what seems like literally everyone's mind. And then there's the fact that he's not really in line to be king - bet there's alot "tsking" about how sad that is. To always be second fiddle. Geez, just look at common story plots and fairytales - the guy's doomed to be forever be forced to play a part just outside the spotlight and then be forgotten. I don't think he (they) want to be in the spotlight - but to always have to be the 'second string players' or to always play the part of a "well behaved supporting actor" part? I would think they have little say in the parts they are asked to play. And I'm not talking about them wanting to be the star(s) - more along the lines of if you want to work and live on this stage - put this costume one and say the words we gave you. I don't think there's much choice in what parts they might actually play. I think lots of royals have managed to have more 'private' lives - I think Harry is just stuck because no one will every forget Diana and her sweet little boys, coupled with he's the younger brother of the (eventual) King of England. (and isn't the butt of most jokes in dramas and comedies and any sort of entertainment? being second fiddle for ever ) how do you go 'private' when you've got that kind of baggage? Any of you all have an aquaintance or relative you see once a year or every few years - who ONLY remembers that silly stupid embarrassing thing you did (or that happened ) when you were 10 (and it's something you wish everyone would just forget) but this person (has such a limited amount of experience/time spent with you) ALWAYS greets you and talks about that moment in time when they see you and they tell anyone who will listen about it? Even though it was 10, 20 or 30 or 40 years later? It's like you are frozen in time in their eyes/memory. What happens when it's MILLIONS of people who see you that way? I have a hard time thinking Harry would be walking away from a comfortable lifestyle - maybe I'm wrong - but I suspect he walked away from the "Royal Family" with more than the shirt on his back. I would think Meghan's got some sort of income even without working. I'm guessing it really comes down to what will happen to Archie and any other children. They WON"T be part of the "circle" of royals and important people who have access to the royals. They won't grow up with others with the same social status or access to the same circles. Maybe that's part of the issue - maybe Harry and Meghan want to be "private" but still have access to all the social/cultural/inside stuff without actually being part of it.
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Post by Opti on Mar 9, 2021 7:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 9, 2021 9:06:59 GMT -5
That in and of itself is horrific. Is the standard is that the media can drive anyone who dares to marry a royal to the brink of suicide, but if that person can just hold on for 10 years, the press will soften? Yikes. Disney never showed us that part of the story. Definitely horrific. I'm sure getting those photos of her from a long lens greatly affected Kate. Over here most celebs go in and out of being the news so it switches between them based on the winds - but over there the royals are staples. I think Harry and Meghan will be staples over here though so I was surprised they picked the paparazzi capital of the country. I know it's her home state, but I would have picked a middle of nowhere place - it's not like Netflix was like you have to live in Cali. I agree that LA could be problematic. Even if you live somewhere like Austin - just less paparazzi in general. I wonder if you are better off in the Bay area. Still CA, but a different vibe.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 9, 2021 10:32:50 GMT -5
There's a lot of famous people in LA though. Might be better to be one of many in a big pond vs. one of a few in a smaller pond, or the one and only rich and famous person in an small area.
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Post by busymom on Mar 9, 2021 11:20:45 GMT -5
I think LA was a good choice. She knows the area. And, if they choose to live their lives privately, there are other "celebs" for the press to chase there.
I found the interview believable. You don't have to "like" someone to understand bullying. I would have chosen to get my child out of a toxic environment, too.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 9, 2021 18:29:05 GMT -5
There's a lot of famous people in LA though. Might be better to be one of many in a big pond vs. one of a few in a smaller pond, or the one and only rich and famous person in an small area. I read something once that celebrities that do not live full time in LA aren't in the news very often. But, they listed off the celebrities, and they were kinda settled and older - not Lindsey Lohan drunk driving/life on fire types. Maybe their lives are a mess, but living elsewhere it isn’t in the news. Or maybe they are just home bodies, hanging with their kids, and even if they were in LA, there wouldn't be any coverage because their life is a snoozefest. I also think royalty/son of the soon to be King might be a little different than some actor.
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Post by Opti on Mar 10, 2021 7:23:16 GMT -5
There's a lot of famous people in LA though. Might be better to be one of many in a big pond vs. one of a few in a smaller pond, or the one and only rich and famous person in an small area. I read something once that celebrities that do not live full time in LA aren't in the news very often. But, they listed off the celebrities, and they were kinda settled and older - not Lindsey Lohan drunk driving/life on fire types. Maybe their lives are a mess, but living elsewhere it isn’t in the news. Or maybe they are just home bodies, hanging with their kids, and even if they were in LA, there wouldn't be any coverage because their life is a snoozefest. I also think royalty/son of the soon to be King might be a little different than some actor. Remains to be seen. I think they bought their current home in August of last year. And they lived a few months in Tyler Perry's mansion prior to that. I don't read tabloids here, so I don't know if they've been in them since they've been in the US. IMO the British royal press coverage is even dicier than how people feel about weather forecasters. If the royals don't talk, then really you can make up anything due to the never complain, never explain motto and some people will eat it up and believe it. Here's a snippet from a royal pundit who feels she can speak for William better than his brother. (And leaves out the fact William hasn't chosen to speak on this and he's the only authority on how he feels.) knink.co.uk/wp/harry-life-loss-and-love/With her authoritative research and access to royal confidantes, Nicholl promises to bring you closer to Prince Harry than ever before. Spellbound wants me to believe the palace does not leak, but it either does to some extent or everything is lies. If you think of Downton Abbey, Thomas would leak for money but the more loyal staff would not. And if you leak for money, why is there any expectation that person is telling the truth?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 10, 2021 13:37:58 GMT -5
Yes... they wanted to cherry pick their role. Have their cake and eat it. The Queen said no.
The press is fine as long as its writing what they want....... Well that's not the way it happens.
You don't get to control the free press, they write what they want and it goes with the territory.
Its not all that great in the US either..... ant least we don't have paparazzi climbing up the drain pipes.
No, lets really not..... Downton Abbey, The Crown etc ...... are dramas written for ratings in a particular audience. They are not documentaries.
She said she was welcomed.
This Oprah interview was a one sided tale ..... not at all robust ...... which was played by an actress.... who layed it on thick. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny and needs to be taken with a huge pinch of salt.
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Post by hurley1980 on Mar 10, 2021 14:30:05 GMT -5
I dont get the big deal about them leaving the Royal family to do their own thing. Harry is like 8th in line to the throne right now, and thats only if Will and Kate don't have more children. He was never going to be king. Others have left Royal families without this much bullshit thrown at them.
Their not on the payroll anymore, they have their own life in California, and I thought they moved to Santa Barbara, not LA. They are trying to protect their child. Their choice!
Whether everything in the interview is correct or not, and I do believe some of the racism Meghan experience is true, this is their damn life to live, and people are getting way to worked up over this.
Spellbound seems to be wearing some REALLY big rose colored glasses on this issue....
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 10, 2021 15:08:52 GMT -5
I dont get the big deal about them leaving the Royal family to do their own thing. Harry is like 8th in line to the throne right now, and thats only if Will and Kate don't have more children. He was never going to be king. Others have left Royal families without this much bullshit thrown at them. Their not on the payroll anymore, they have their own life in California, and I thought they moved to Santa Barbara, not LA. They are trying to protect their child. Their choice! Whether everything in the interview is correct or not, and I do believe some of the racism Meghan experience is true, this is their damn life to live, and people are getting way to worked up over this. Spellbound seems to be wearing some REALLY big rose colored glasses on this issue.... They mentioned the difference between "Senior members" and "Other members". I bet there are a lot of functions you can send the B team to. They indicated that option did not work out, but didn't get into any details. Did it not pay enough, nor come with a security detail? Everyone is blaming the racism on Charles. I think William has a lot more to do with this than anyone thinks. Maybe Charles is the originator, but I think William is protecting his crown. He has like 50 or 60 years (plus or minus) left on his sentence. If he is afraid the monarchy will collapse under his watch - he may be willing to do what he thinks needs to be done to keep that from happening. It sure doesn't sound like William is on Harry and Meghan's side.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 10, 2021 15:12:58 GMT -5
I was talking about this with my sister the other night, and we both feel very strongly that the skin color conversation came from Camilla. obv neither of us was there to know for sure, but I can see her asking Harry that with that sniveling face she makes when she's asked a question she doesn't want to answer.
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Post by haapai on Mar 10, 2021 15:32:24 GMT -5
I've spent the last few days wondering if Archie will ever be a prince if Charles never takes the throne. Does anyone here know the details of the 1917 letter patent that covers this? If the tot is never the grandchild of the reigning monarch, is there still a way for him to get the title automatically? FWIW, I also believe that the British monarchy has a better chance of surviving if Charles never takes the throne. William is certainly in an interesting position.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 10, 2021 15:52:44 GMT -5
I dont get the big deal about them leaving the Royal family to do their own thing. Harry is like 8th in line to the throne right now, and thats only if Will and Kate don't have more children. He was never going to be king. Others have left Royal families without this much bullshit thrown at them. Their not on the payroll anymore, they have their own life in California, and I thought they moved to Santa Barbara, not LA. They are trying to protect their child. Their choice! Whether everything in the interview is correct or not, and I do believe some of the racism Meghan experience is true, this is their damn life to live, and people are getting way to worked up over this. Spellbound seems to be wearing some REALLY big rose colored glasses on this issue.... What people don't realize is you can welcome people and still be racist. People seem to constantly associate racism with the more extreme/outward versions of it like The Proud Boys or calling someone the N word. They don't notice the day to day racism because they don't have to live it. I would be willing to bet money whoever made that comment would swear they aren't a racist. To them they probably thought they were showing geniune concern for the political future of the kid. Look at how they treated Diana and she was hand picked as Charles' wife. Now here comes a mixed race American. . . I am glad that Harry sticks up for Megan. Diana deserved better.
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Post by Opti on Mar 10, 2021 17:07:22 GMT -5
I was talking about this with my sister the other night, and we both feel very strongly that the skin color conversation came from Camilla. obv neither of us was there to know for sure, but I can see her asking Harry that with that sniveling face she makes when she's asked a question she doesn't want to answer. This is where I would put my money too, if I had to guess. Unless someone credible breaks their silence, we will never know and I think that's probably a good thing.
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Post by imawino on Mar 10, 2021 17:34:23 GMT -5
I dont get the big deal about them leaving the Royal family to do their own thing. Harry is like 8th in line to the throne right now, and thats only if Will and Kate don't have more children. He was never going to be king. Others have left Royal families without this much bullshit thrown at them. Their not on the payroll anymore, they have their own life in California, and I thought they moved to Santa Barbara, not LA. They are trying to protect their child. Their choice! Whether everything in the interview is correct or not, and I do believe some of the racism Meghan experience is true, this is their damn life to live, and people are getting way to worked up over this. Spellbound seems to be wearing some REALLY big rose colored glasses on this issue.... LOL. I guess they would make you see red.....
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Post by imawino on Mar 10, 2021 17:35:18 GMT -5
I was talking about this with my sister the other night, and we both feel very strongly that the skin color conversation came from Camilla. obv neither of us was there to know for sure, but I can see her asking Harry that with that sniveling face she makes when she's asked a question she doesn't want to answer. Kate. Definitely Kate. Snob.
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Post by Opti on Mar 10, 2021 18:46:40 GMT -5
I dont get the big deal about them leaving the Royal family to do their own thing. Harry is like 8th in line to the throne right now, and thats only if Will and Kate don't have more children. He was never going to be king. Others have left Royal families without this much bullshit thrown at them. Their not on the payroll anymore, they have their own life in California, and I thought they moved to Santa Barbara, not LA. They are trying to protect their child. Their choice! Whether everything in the interview is correct or not, and I do believe some of the racism Meghan experience is true, this is their damn life to live, and people are getting way to worked up over this. Spellbound seems to be wearing some REALLY big rose colored glasses on this issue.... They mentioned the difference between "Senior members" and "Other members". I bet there are a lot of functions you can send the B team to. They indicated that option did not work out, but didn't get into any details. Did it not pay enough, nor come with a security detail? Everyone is blaming the racism on Charles. I think William has a lot more to do with this than anyone thinks. Maybe Charles is the originator, but I think William is protecting his crown. He has like 50 or 60 years (plus or minus) left on his sentence. If he is afraid the monarchy will collapse under his watch - he may be willing to do what he thinks needs to be done to keep that from happening. It sure doesn't sound like William is on Harry and Meghan's side. There is definitely an issue when the Queen passes. She has been the face of Britain and the Commonwealth for many years and is very well regarded. I think Harry may have followed her in popularity until his first announcement of stepping back. William and Kate do not have the cachet of the Queen but I believe are far more popular than Charles and Camilla. I have a feeling that if either of those pairs were more popular than Harry was, perhaps the hate and whining would have been less. If Harry and Meghan had stayed and instead Charles and Camilla chose to leave royal life, does anyone think the outcry would be anywhere near what this is?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 10, 2021 19:03:04 GMT -5
They mentioned the difference between "Senior members" and "Other members". I bet there are a lot of functions you can send the B team to. They indicated that option did not work out, but didn't get into any details. Did it not pay enough, nor come with a security detail? Everyone is blaming the racism on Charles. I think William has a lot more to do with this than anyone thinks. Maybe Charles is the originator, but I think William is protecting his crown. He has like 50 or 60 years (plus or minus) left on his sentence. If he is afraid the monarchy will collapse under his watch - he may be willing to do what he thinks needs to be done to keep that from happening. It sure doesn't sound like William is on Harry and Meghan's side. There is definitely an issue when the Queen passes. She has been the face of Britain and the Commonwealth for many years and is very well regarded. I think Harry may have followed her in popularity until his first announcement of stepping back. William and Kate do not have the cachet of the Queen but I believe are far more popular than Charles and Camilla. I have a feeling that if either of those pairs were more popular than Harry was, perhaps the hate and whining would have been less. If Harry and Meghan had stayed and instead Charles and Camilla chose to leave royal life, does anyone think the outcry would be anywhere near what this is? first of all, the Queen has held court for 7 decades, which is more than a bit.
Charles is next up, then William. Charles could abdicate, I suppose. not sure he will tho.
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Post by Opti on Mar 10, 2021 19:17:59 GMT -5
There is definitely an issue when the Queen passes. She has been the face of Britain and the Commonwealth for many years and is very well regarded. I think Harry may have followed her in popularity until his first announcement of stepping back. William and Kate do not have the cachet of the Queen but I believe are far more popular than Charles and Camilla. I have a feeling that if either of those pairs were more popular than Harry was, perhaps the hate and whining would have been less. If Harry and Meghan had stayed and instead Charles and Camilla chose to leave royal life, does anyone think the outcry would be anywhere near what this is? first of all, the Queen has held court for 7 decades, which is more than a bit.
Charles is next up, then William. Charles could abdicate, I suppose. not sure he will tho.
I guess you did not like the phrase "many years"?
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 10, 2021 19:39:49 GMT -5
I must say this whole thing is very weird. I am quite certain that there have been racially offensive remarks made to Harry by someone in that family. We may or may not ever find out who this person is but I am confident it happened and that they will deny it to the bitter end.
However put this in perspective this is also the family where a 72 year old man is waiting for his mother to die so he can START on the career that was supposedly his from the day he was born. Sometimes 1200 year "traditions" really do need to be reviewed and revised
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Post by dondub on Mar 10, 2021 19:59:37 GMT -5
I must say this whole thing is very weird. I am quite certain that there have been racially offensive remarks made to Harry by someone in that family. We may or may not ever find out who this person is but I am confident it happened and that they will deny it to the bitter end. However put this in perspective this is also the family where a 72 year old man is waiting for his mother to die so he can START on the career that was supposedly his from the day he was born. Sometimes 1200 year "traditions" really do need to be reviewed and revised Because he has always been Prince Dork-Tampon, I’m just going to assume it was Chuck. Apparently he and Harry are no longer on speaking terms.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 10, 2021 20:34:03 GMT -5
There is definitely an issue when the Queen passes. She has been the face of Britain and the Commonwealth for many years and is very well regarded. I think Harry may have followed her in popularity until his first announcement of stepping back. William and Kate do not have the cachet of the Queen but I believe are far more popular than Charles and Camilla. I have a feeling that if either of those pairs were more popular than Harry was, perhaps the hate and whining would have been less. If Harry and Meghan had stayed and instead Charles and Camilla chose to leave royal life, does anyone think the outcry would be anywhere near what this is? first of all, the Queen has held court for 7 decades, which is more than a bit.
Charles is next up, then William. Charles could abdicate, I suppose. not sure he will tho.
True that William won't be King for 50 years - but he has major responsibilities now, and he will continue to have major responsibilities until he dies - in 50 years. He has an extremely vested interest on the state of the monarchy and the reputation of the royal family today and I suspect he was part of the conversation of how to solve the Harry & Megan problem. He has the most number of years ahead of him to protect the monarchy. Even if Charles lives another 30 years, William still is a very important part of the current state of the firm as well as the future of the monarchy.
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