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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 12:22:56 GMT -5
Seems the monarchy wants it both ways--to cut off all financial assistance from the couple despite the continuing need for security because of the monarchy, but they still wish for utmost discretion from H&M. Seems clear that H&M are making up for the lost money needed for their family's security. As an American, I'm fine with it. Its crazy money that H&M are getting from the media companies, but I understand why they accepted the deal. As an American, the interview actually made me think of all the players as the monarchy needs the approval of the taxpayers and media to survive. Since H&M are no longer working royals they had to be cut off from the funding, although I wonder if security could have been provided for at least a year.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 8, 2021 12:23:50 GMT -5
He was a working Royal and chose to leave his job No-one gets paid for work they haven't done. Piers is spot on..... the vast majority of people living here would agree with him. Most people are utterly dismayed and disappointed at this behaviour. The Queen has spent a lifetime behaving in a quiet and dignified manner. Their behaviour is demeaning and disrespectful. If they wanted a quiet life for their mental health etc...... then why go to Los Angeles in the midst of Hollywood, Why not a quiet place in the Rockies away from everyone. Its nonsense.... they are using their titles to manipulate their careers. Get invites to celebrity parties to get themselves on TV and to themselves relevant. You cut off the part about needing continued security due to the monarchy. Former US Presidents no longer "President", but continue to get secret service security after they are out of office. Also, isn't LA where Megan used to live? Youou know, being an actress and all. Why wouldn't she want to go back home?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Mar 8, 2021 12:27:49 GMT -5
A nice quiet life away doesn't pay the bills does it? It seems like they want the media attention on their terms. They want to be in control and that would not happen in the UK as working royals.
I think they saw opportunities they couldn't cash in on as royals and they wanted to carve their own path. Make no mistake they need media attention if they are to keep bringing in money.
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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 12:55:42 GMT -5
He was a working Royal and chose to leave his job No-one gets paid for work they haven't done. Piers is spot on..... the vast majority of people living here would agree with him. Most people are utterly dismayed and disappointed at this behaviour. The Queen has spent a lifetime behaving in a quiet and dignified manner. Their behaviour is demeaning and disrespectful.
If they wanted a quiet life for their mental health etc...... then why go to Los Angeles in the midst of Hollywood, Why not a quiet place in the Rockies away from everyone.Its nonsense.... they are using their titles to manipulate their careers. Get invites to celebrity parties to get themselves on TV and to themselves relevant. Piers is a known Meghan hater and conservative. Britain seems to have a very weird dichotomy when it comes to the royal family. They want them to behave dignified, stay in their place, and never complain. Yet they love reading trash about them and watching their every move. That's not dignified or stiff upper lip at all IMO. Hard to see a reconciliation given they have branded the royals racist and uncaring. www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/uk-judge-orders-tabloid-to-share-meghan-markles-legal-win-on-front-page
Now that's someone's opinion trying to brand itself as fact. Its very much a hyperbolic branding and over-reaction based on fear instead of fact. H didn't want to brand anyone as racist and brought it up I think more to support the British tabloid racist coverage. I see it far more nuanced. Charles did not know what to do, the palace had no idea how to help and knew that the press and maybe their subjects would find Meghan getting mental health help unforgiveable. Its unfortunate they couldn't have found a way to let them live as working royals elsewhere in the Commonwealth, but not surprising. Sure everyone who gets cut off from income and is very famous should just go to the Rockies to live because that's where all the well paying jobs and security are. I think they might have preferred staying in Canada had it not been for the security angle, so they moved where people might understand what they went through and protect them. And yes that was Hollywood. I don't think all British tabloids are racist, but too many of them seem to be. I don't know if even a single royal is racist or was just concerned about how the media and the public would react.
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Post by justme on Mar 8, 2021 13:08:22 GMT -5
Actually, Piers knew Meghan from before she met Harry. Now Piers isn't exactly the greatest human out there so I don't take everything he says as gospel but according to him they were friendly and exchanged messages and even met up for drinks at her offer but then she stopped talking to him around the time we now know she met Harry.
I just find it odd to say the media made them leave, and then decide to make their living in a way where they need media. To say they were hounded and then move to the area in the US that has the most paparazzi. To say England was racist and then head to the country that I would argue most thing is significantly more racist.
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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 13:17:27 GMT -5
The thing that disappoints me about all of this is the lack of compassion. Yes I am jealous of royal money and lifestyle, celebrity money and lifestyle, but that doesn't mean I ignore the drawbacks of those lives. US celebrity culture is such that almost no child actor makes the successful leap to adult actor. British royal culture combined with their media and the British public's demands seems to mean that any outsider into the family will be a fave target for roasting, and have high odds of developing mental issues that will be ignored and/or used as fodder by the media and the public.
I'm sure the Queen had to endure much when she first started out. But in 1952 TV wasn't the presence it is now and social media and cellphones did not even exist. I think the Queen is far more compassionate and understanding than the British media and public. The British public feels disrespected, but its possible the Queen does not.
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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 13:34:15 GMT -5
Actually, Piers knew Meghan from before she met Harry. Now Piers isn't exactly the greatest human out there so I don't take everything he says as gospel but according to him they were friendly and exchanged messages and even met up for drinks at her offer but then she stopped talking to him around the time we now know she met Harry. I just find it odd to say the media made them leave, and then decide to make their living in a way where they need media. To say they were hounded and then move to the area in the US that has the most paparazzi. To say England was racist and then head to the country that I would argue most thing is significantly more racist. I recently viewed the video clip of Piers talking about that. Hard to know if she ghosted him because she was a user or got sucked up into the Harry/royal thing. It is a conundrum, but there is a difference between being a daily target for the public versus a very usual one. I'm wondering what kind of living they could make without media and acting. Harry loved the military but being a mercenary soldier for hire doesn't go well with being a family man or being born royal. Working at Starbucks won't support them and would be the opposite of having security. Maybe Meghan could do a fashion line, but I'm not sure how popular it would be. LA and the US is definitely racist. The slight advantage here might be the advantage of talking to others going through the same thing, versus only Harry starting to understand her experience.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 8, 2021 14:20:36 GMT -5
Actually, Piers knew Meghan from before she met Harry. Now Piers isn't exactly the greatest human out there so I don't take everything he says as gospel but according to him they were friendly and exchanged messages and even met up for drinks at her offer but then she stopped talking to him around the time we now know she met Harry. I just find it odd to say the media made them leave, and then decide to make their living in a way where they need media. To say they were hounded and then move to the area in the US that has the most paparazzi. To say England was racist and then head to the country that I would argue most thing is significantly more racist. As an actress, Megan always needed the media to make a living. I think most hollywood actors find a way to limit media encroachment on their personal lives while using it to promote their careers. I would imagine life as a royal is very different than that. Seems like Megan's acting career was made by being able to blend into roles. Not sure she can continue to do it that way.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 8, 2021 14:21:16 GMT -5
It was an overheard conversation by Harry.... before they were married.(good luck with that in Court) but it plays nicely into the racist bleatings .... Which none of us have seen. She was welcomed and loved.
....and where they could get themselves on TV every 5 minutes.
Nope as a Royal she will have access to anything she wanted.
and who pays?..... The UK tax payer.... and what do we get for our money.... Nothing If you are not on the civil list you aren't entitled to anything. His choice.
He was Captain General of the Royal Marines I wonder what they think of all this simpering and betrayal. My kin have been in the marines.... they are way better men than this guy will ever be.
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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 14:39:33 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on Mar 8, 2021 14:43:57 GMT -5
I found the comments from unidentified royal family members worrying about what color archies skin would be to be quite repulsive. Who the fuck cares?
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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 14:47:55 GMT -5
"....and where they could get themselves on TV every 5 minutes."
They could do that in Britain too, but here they have more of a choice to be on or not. But being able to do X and doing X are two different things.
"Nope as a Royal she will have access to anything she wanted." Apparently not. Did you watch the interview yet? In Hollywood some celebs get help under the cover of 'exhaustion'. Have there been any royals in the last fifty years that got mental help?
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Post by justme on Mar 8, 2021 14:49:33 GMT -5
I think one thing that is ignored with the comparisons is that by the time Kate was pregnant she had been under the microscope of the press for over a decade and had been married for several years by then while Meghan went right from gf to married to pregnant in the space of a year. When Kate was first out they did some awful things to her - posting topless photos of her, calling her names for waiting so long, etc etc. So it's not that they didn't go after Kate, they just mostly stopped after 10+ years by the time she was pregnant.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 8, 2021 14:56:43 GMT -5
I think one thing that is ignored with the comparisons is that by the time Kate was pregnant she had been under the microscope of the press for over a decade and had been married for several years by then while Meghan went right from gf to married to pregnant in the space of a year. When Kate was first out they did some awful things to her - posting topless photos of her, calling her names for waiting so long, etc etc. So it's not that they didn't go after Kate, they just mostly stopped after 10+ years by the time she was pregnant. Maybe. I remember when the engagement was announced, I had never seen such vile and racist comments. I hadn't realized how that biracial couples were still so reviled. People were already saying nasty things about any future offspring.
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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 14:58:50 GMT -5
"He was Captain General of the Royal Marines
I wonder what they think of all this simpering and betrayal."
This is where I can tell I am definitely a non conservative American. I don't see simpering or betrayal. What I see is a man whose mother was driven suicidal by the press, who was later killed right before he became a teenager due to the press chasing her. A man who has watched his wife being targeted by the press and got the racial overtones of her mistreatment. Who couldn't get her help, who didn't want her to commit suicide.
Is the big betrayal refusing to pretend everything was great?
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Post by haapai on Mar 8, 2021 15:03:25 GMT -5
I haven't watched the interview and I was pretty set to avoid it until I read the BBC coverage of this story. It's surprisingly sympathetic to H & R, at least today.
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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 15:07:31 GMT -5
I think one thing that is ignored with the comparisons is that by the time Kate was pregnant she had been under the microscope of the press for over a decade and had been married for several years by then while Meghan went right from gf to married to pregnant in the space of a year. When Kate was first out they did some awful things to her - posting topless photos of her, calling her names for waiting so long, etc etc. So it's not that they didn't go after Kate, they just mostly stopped after 10+ years by the time she was pregnant. I know they went after Kate and I do remembering the mocking because William didn't propose fast enough for the press. Its a sad thing though then if the press feels entitled to a decade's worth of sport until the next target comes along. They both got married and had babies shortly thereafter as expected of royals. I don't know which pregnancy that is of Kate, but should their horrible behavior of GF Kate really excuse this?
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Post by justme on Mar 8, 2021 15:10:06 GMT -5
I think one thing that is ignored with the comparisons is that by the time Kate was pregnant she had been under the microscope of the press for over a decade and had been married for several years by then while Meghan went right from gf to married to pregnant in the space of a year. When Kate was first out they did some awful things to her - posting topless photos of her, calling her names for waiting so long, etc etc. So it's not that they didn't go after Kate, they just mostly stopped after 10+ years by the time she was pregnant. Maybe. I remember when the engagement was announced, I had never seen such vile and racist comments. I hadn't realized how that biracial couples were still so reviled. People were already saying nasty things about any future offspring. Oh, I didn't mean to ignore that that stuff didn't happen. I've just seen it all in the "but they were so nice to Kate" and they weren't in the beginning. But Kate also didn't have an angle for racists to attack.
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Post by justme on Mar 8, 2021 15:15:13 GMT -5
I think one thing that is ignored with the comparisons is that by the time Kate was pregnant she had been under the microscope of the press for over a decade and had been married for several years by then while Meghan went right from gf to married to pregnant in the space of a year. When Kate was first out they did some awful things to her - posting topless photos of her, calling her names for waiting so long, etc etc. So it's not that they didn't go after Kate, they just mostly stopped after 10+ years by the time she was pregnant. I know they went after Kate and I do remembering the mocking because William didn't propose fast enough for the press. Its a sad thing though then if the press feels entitled to a decade's worth of sport until the next target comes along. They both got married and had babies shortly thereafter as expected of royals. I don't know which pregnancy that is of Kate, but should their horrible behavior of GF Kate really excuse this? Who said anything about excusing it? I'm merely pointing out that everyone uses those comparisons to show how they're sooo nice to Kate and awful to Meghan and my point was that they weren't so nice to Kate in the beginning. It took years for most of the vitriol against Kate to go away - she just didn't get married until years into it and the kid didn't come until 2 years after being married. So it's a bit disingenuous to compare stories of Kate over a decade into her being royal news to Meghan when she was 2 years in.
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Post by haapai on Mar 8, 2021 15:31:40 GMT -5
I was referring to the BBC.com website, not the radio. It's free and utterly un-paywalled. If you want to read what I have read, I suggest hurrying there. G-- only knows what you'll find tomorrow and the site is kinda awful if you're searching for what they wrote yesterday or last week.
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Post by imawino on Mar 8, 2021 15:35:34 GMT -5
It was an overheard conversation by Harry.... before they were married.(good luck with that in Court)but it plays nicely into the racist bleatings .... Which none of us have seen. She was welcomed and loved. ....and where they could get themselves on TV every 5 minutes. Nope as a Royal she will have access to anything she wanted. and who pays?..... The UK tax payer.... and what do we get for our money.... Nothing If you are not on the civil list you aren't entitled to anything. His choice. He was Captain General of the Royal Marines I wonder what they think of all this simpering and betrayal. My kin have been in the marines.... they are way better men than this guy will ever be. Goodness. The bolded is a very strange and disturbing defense of racism. Is was overherd.....so that makes it okay? It was before they were married....so that makes it okay? Who is talking about taking them to court for saying it??
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Post by Opti on Mar 8, 2021 15:36:24 GMT -5
I know they went after Kate and I do remembering the mocking because William didn't propose fast enough for the press. Its a sad thing though then if the press feels entitled to a decade's worth of sport until the next target comes along. They both got married and had babies shortly thereafter as expected of royals. I don't know which pregnancy that is of Kate, but should their horrible behavior of GF Kate really excuse this? Who said anything about excusing it? I'm merely pointing out that everyone uses those comparisons to show how they're sooo nice to Kate and awful to Meghan and my point was that they weren't so nice to Kate in the beginning. It took years for most of the vitriol against Kate to go away - she just didn't get married until years into it and the kid didn't come until 2 years after being married. So it's a bit disingenuous to compare stories of Kate over a decade into her being royal news to Meghan when she was 2 years in. Sorry, not sure what the right wording should be. It is pretty awful that you feel we can't compare these things directly since the press is generally shitty to women marrying into the royal family.
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Post by imawino on Mar 8, 2021 15:40:50 GMT -5
I never really contemplate Harry & Meghan. They aren't on my radar. Maybe they are awesome, maybe not. But here's what I think of all this:
The Monarchy is antiquated, stupid, unnecessary and kind of gross. Though the Queen herself seems like a very nice lady.
The British tabloids are disgusting and reading them makes the reader dumber for the the effort.
If anyone talks shit about someone's baby being "too black" they deserve to get their ass handed to them. I understand they didn't name the person who said it, which is a show of restraint I'm not sure I could muster.
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Post by swamp on Mar 8, 2021 15:54:31 GMT -5
When the monarchy has a similar litter of kittens over prince Andrews friendship with Jeffrey Epstein and credible accusations of sex with underage girls, I’ll pay attention. Until then, meh.
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Post by justme on Mar 8, 2021 15:59:26 GMT -5
Who said anything about excusing it? I'm merely pointing out that everyone uses those comparisons to show how they're sooo nice to Kate and awful to Meghan and my point was that they weren't so nice to Kate in the beginning. It took years for most of the vitriol against Kate to go away - she just didn't get married until years into it and the kid didn't come until 2 years after being married. So it's a bit disingenuous to compare stories of Kate over a decade into her being royal news to Meghan when she was 2 years in. Sorry, not sure what the right wording should be. It is pretty awful that you feel we can't compare these things directly since the press is generally shitty to women marrying into the royal family. I don't think you can do it as directly as people are because of exactly what people are saying - the press is nice to Kate and not to Meg. That's not true. They've definitely mellowed to Kate over the years but if she got pregnant when they were their worst to her she would have gotten dragged for it too. I just greatly dislike how all these comparisons are forgetting and ignoring how the press was to Kate in the beginning and for years.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 8, 2021 16:03:13 GMT -5
Sorry, not sure what the right wording should be. It is pretty awful that you feel we can't compare these things directly since the press is generally shitty to women marrying into the royal family. I don't think you can do it as directly as people are because of exactly what people are saying - the press is nice to Kate and not to Meg. That's not true. They've definitely mellowed to Kate over the years but if she got pregnant when they were their worst to her she would have gotten dragged for it too. I just greatly dislike how all these comparisons are forgetting and ignoring how the press was to Kate in the beginning and for years. I don't think so. Kate gave birth to the heir of the throne. They were happy about that. Megan gave birth to a baby who was 1/4 black, so she muddied the bloodline. (Seriously, I read comments with that sort of terminology:. Mud-blood, like something straight out of Harry Potter.)
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 8, 2021 16:13:18 GMT -5
It was an overheard conversation by Harry.... before they were married.(good luck with that in Court) but it plays nicely into the racist bleatings .... Which none of us have seen. She was welcomed and loved. ....and where they could get themselves on TV every 5 minutes. Nope as a Royal she will have access to anything she wanted.and who pays?..... The UK tax payer.... and what do we get for our money.... Nothing If you are not on the civil list you aren't entitled to anything. His choice. He was Captain General of the Royal Marines I wonder what they think of all this simpering and betrayal. My kin have been in the marines.... they are way better men than this guy will ever be. so she was lying when she said she was told no?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 8, 2021 16:57:12 GMT -5
She is trying to say that Archie didn't have a title because he had colour?....... Thats outrageous
The Queen has loads of grandchildren and great grandchildren ....... they aren't all titled unless directly in line to the throne.... nor do they have security unless they are working Royals. Kates kids are titled, of course, because she will be Queen one day.
The Royals don't talk to the press, they just don't ..... so for her to want to have her freedom to air her grievances in public shows a complete misunderstanding of how the palace works.
Her gushing mawkishness is just uncomfortable.
No mention of the fact that she only invited one member of her family to a such huge wedding .... Who does that?
There was no racism. This argument is offensive..... She was welcomed and popular.
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