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Post by chiver78 on May 21, 2021 13:10:10 GMT -5
I got my doses at two different mass vax sites. first place, I walked in and gave my license and work badge (I qualified early due to my job) and was given a questionnaire to fill out on a clipboard. the seats were all spaced out 6' in a grid, with one Army reserves medic responsible for probably 8 chairs around their workstation. I got my shot in the same chair I stayed in for observation.
second place was Gillette Stadium (home of the Patriots) where the clinic was set up in the club seats. I checked in at ground level, where all I needed was to show the email confirmation of my appointment. since we weren't still in tier restrictions on access, I didn't need the work badge anymore. I took the escalator up to the club level, where they had stations set up in rows. one medic (firefighter, EMT, etc from area towns) per station, in the back near concessions. you got your shot and moved to another area overlooking the field for observation. I was back at my car 17min after leaving it.
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Post by Opti on May 21, 2021 13:22:30 GMT -5
This person who died, were they fully vaccinated, i.e. several weeks after their final shot before they got it? Did this person have absolutely no visitors at the hospital? Is there proof this person did not have Covid when they came to the hospital? Unfortunately there are still a couple Covid rooms in the facility I work at. I'd say possibly as many as 50% of those who have been there have come as admissions to the ALF side and tested positive for Covid on their arrival. I always believe that many of the alleged breakthrough Covid cases are actually idiots who expose themselves before they are fully immune. While many cases of Covid develop quickly within a few weeks, more than a few studies have shown it can take up to thirty or forty days to appear. How do you know they didn't have exposure to Covid prior to the car accident and Covid took root because of their weakened state after the car accident? Regarding your daughter, most viewpoints have some use otherwise they would be dropped. Right now she is refusing the vaccine because of her beliefs and that is the wrong choice unless she has medical reasons like shellfish allergy or clots to not take it. No clue when she got the shots. I’m assuming as soon as she could which would have been January. It’s her decision to make as she is 32. Nothing I can do about it. I was actually asking about the person you were going to the memorial for. I think the skilled side has had a couple cases of false negatives on rapid tests for new admissions and when the PCR test came back they had to be moved. These people had Covid and did not know it.
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Post by Opti on May 21, 2021 13:25:45 GMT -5
I still don't get why people think there are long term side effects to this vaccine given I've never heard of long term effects on any vaccine but we do know there are long term effects to having Covid. www.wcnc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/doctors-say-most-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-happen-within-two-months-of-any-shot/275-7a5fe649-d635-4683-bcb8-679112ebdc84A common comment from those who are hesitant to roll up their sleeves for a COVID-19 shot centers around whether they could experience side effects further in the future. However, health experts say most vaccine impacts happen in a relatively short period of time.
"Most people, if they're going to have some reaction to a vaccine, it's going to happen in the first six weeks after a vaccination," Dr. Jane Kelly said.
Kelly, who is Assistant State Epidemiologist with South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control, says, with the nation being several months removed from clinical trials and the start of the rollout of vaccine, concerns about long-term effects can largely be put aside.
"When you look at most physicians in the country have been vaccinated, we've got more than 200 million doses, I think that answers the question about whether there are long-term effects," Kelly said.
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Post by zibazinski on May 21, 2021 13:35:41 GMT -5
No clue when she got the shots. I’m assuming as soon as she could which would have been January. It’s her decision to make as she is 32. Nothing I can do about it. I was actually asking about the person you were going to the memorial for. I think the skilled side has had a couple cases of false negatives on rapid tests for new admissions and when the PCR test came back they had to be moved. These people had Covid and did not know it. Yup, she got her vaccine in February. Just rotten luck. But I view it like the flu vaccine. You can still get the flu even with the vaccine. So buyers, beware.
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Post by bean29 on May 21, 2021 13:41:58 GMT -5
We went to a Mass Vaccination Clinic on the South side of MKE when it was still difficult to get an Appointment (Mid-March). It was at a Community Clinic but the Vaccine clinic scheduling was through Walgreens. It was a very long not socially distanced line. We probably waited an hour to get checked in, and after vaccine, I think we waited 15 minutes.
DH took my in-laws to a local hospital. Appts set up by their Dr. Office. If they arrived early, they were seen early and in and out like you are expecting. My DB took my Mom to a local Walgreens for her Shots, and for the first one, I think she said her appt was messed up and she had to wait a bit, and the second one she was in and out of there. Her Shots were also in Early/Mid March - she was good to go at Easter.
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Post by Opti on May 21, 2021 13:49:52 GMT -5
I was actually asking about the person you were going to the memorial for. I think the skilled side has had a couple cases of false negatives on rapid tests for new admissions and when the PCR test came back they had to be moved. These people had Covid and did not know it. Yup, she got her vaccine in February. Just rotten luck. But I view it like the flu vaccine. You can still get the flu even with the vaccine. So buyers, beware. Of course you can still get it. I don't know why anyone thinks otherwise as the vaccine has never been advertised as 100% effective. Was it rotten luck or did she spend a lot of time maskless after February?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 21, 2021 13:58:43 GMT -5
The flu shot isn't to prevent you from getting the flu. It's to keep you (hopefully) from dying from it. I am sure if you tested me every single day of my life eventually I'd come positive pertussis, especially given the vaccine rate around here. However having been immunized I'll either have a minor cold or nothing at all. Compare that to what happens to an infant who is NOT vaccinated and they catch it. I do not know where people got the idea the COVID shot was to prevent you from ever getting it. The goal is to reduce death and severe illness which puts strain on the medical system. All three vaccines are shown to do that. At least two (and I'd assume J&J is doing trials too) are shown to continue to do so against the current variants. I would think given what a crapshoot it is as to whether or not you'd die after catching COVID the vaccine would be a no brainer.
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Post by Ryan on May 21, 2021 14:11:23 GMT -5
I still don't get why people think there are long term side effects to this vaccine given I've never heard of long term effects on any vaccine but we do know there are long term effects to having Covid. www.wcnc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/doctors-say-most-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-happen-within-two-months-of-any-shot/275-7a5fe649-d635-4683-bcb8-679112ebdc84A common comment from those who are hesitant to roll up their sleeves for a COVID-19 shot centers around whether they could experience side effects further in the future. However, health experts say most vaccine impacts happen in a relatively short period of time.
"Most people, if they're going to have some reaction to a vaccine, it's going to happen in the first six weeks after a vaccination," Dr. Jane Kelly said.
Kelly, who is Assistant State Epidemiologist with South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control, says, with the nation being several months removed from clinical trials and the start of the rollout of vaccine, concerns about long-term effects can largely be put aside.
"When you look at most physicians in the country have been vaccinated, we've got more than 200 million doses, I think that answers the question about whether there are long-term effects," Kelly said.I don't think this is a very good response to be honest. For the last year, doctors have been making comments about how, even though a mild case may seem like you recovered, we just don't know the long-term issues it might be created. You can't use that logic for the virus and not for the vaccine. The truth is with both, you don't know how it will look long-term because we haven't gotten there yet. I think a far better approach is to compare safety of getting COVID-19 vs. Getting the Vaccine. That's the argument that swayed my wife over to getting it for our 12-year old son. She was worried about the long-term impact and I told her that we don't know the long-term impact of COVID, so I'd rather take the chance on the vaccine.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 21, 2021 14:16:32 GMT -5
Hmm. Maybe I'm the one who's mis informed.... How did it work when you all went for your covid shots? Did you go to a Mass Vaccination event? Your local hospital? your doctor's office? Your County/City Health Department? How long did it take from the time you got there to when you got to leave? I did a Drive Thru event (I actually went twice - another friend and I tried to coordinate going on the same day but we messed up and she/her mom were the day before me. It took us 20 minutes to drive to the event (once we were all in the car), we moved thru the "stations" in the car - it took us 20 minutes to get to the "shot tent/station" because there were about 10 car infront of us in our lane. We waited the 20 minutes after the shot (and got our next appts) and we were released. I was dropping them off back at home 1.5 hours after I picked them up. I went the next day for my shot - and there were NO cars in front of me. I was in and out of the drive thru process in less than 30 minutes from the time I pulled into the event until I pulled out and headed home. The second shot was like my fast experience (about 35 minutes once we pulled into the event) - we arrived an hour early (to avoid the lunch rush) and pretty much pulled right up to the "shot tent" rather than waiting - there were no cars ahead of us "waiting to get thru a station". Same thing when I went for my second shot the next day. (my complicated friend declined to go with us for this because she lives in a different "county" and would have had to drive 25 minutes to get to us so we could all go together in one car. She felt she couldn't use our "county" free shots and that she should use her county "free" shots. ) My oldest brother did the "walk thru" mass vaccination event the month before the 'drive thru' - and he reported pretty much the same thing - but you walked from station to station and it took a little longer (because you had to park and walk). He lives in the same county as my complicated friend but signed up for the Mass Vaccination event in my county. He did have a bit of drive time to get to it - but he combined getting his shot with some other errands in the area of the Vaccination Event (and he enjoyed the "experience" of doing it... ) We went to a pharmacy in Walmart. I doubt TD and I were in the store longer than 30 min. It took us longer to get there than to get vaccinated.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 21, 2021 14:25:59 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/india/black-fungus-mucormycosis-covid-explainer-intl-hnk/index.htmlJFC. Here's an excellent reason to get the vaccine. Sure you may not get black fungus but, as anytime you get sick, what bugs might hitch a ride are a concern. We know now that people weren't dying of the 1918 flu per say, it was an additional secondary infection that caused you to drown in your bodily fluids. The flu wiped out people's immune systems leaving them defenseless. Looks like COVID does the same thing. In early May, doctors in India began raising the alarm about a rise in mucormycosis -- a rare and potentially deadly infection also known as black fungus.
Many of those being infected are coronavirus patients, or those who have recently recovered from Covid-19, whose immune systems have been weakened by the virus or who have underlying conditions -- most notably diabetes.
In the past few weeks, thousands of black fungus cases have been reported across the country, with hundreds hospitalized and at least 90 dead. Two states have declared it an epidemic, and the central government has made it a notifiable disease.
Yes it is your choice not to get the vaccine but I hope that people who don't recognize what a tremendous amount of privilege that choice comes with. Meanwhile people who want one can't get one and are at risk of stuff like this.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 21, 2021 14:30:16 GMT -5
I forgot I took my in laws to an independent pharmacy to get J&J. I would say 25 minutes including filling out forms, checking insurance, getting vaccine and waiting. The drive there took twice as long. It seemed longer to DH and me sitting in the parking lot being tortured by the smells of the Popeyes that was next door.
I'm sure there were some snafus early on. Most places I've heard about have it running efficiently now.
I think because we got ours via the county health department, they were only billing Medicare/Medicaid for the administration fee.
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Post by Opti on May 21, 2021 14:44:22 GMT -5
I still don't get why people think there are long term side effects to this vaccine given I've never heard of long term effects on any vaccine but we do know there are long term effects to having Covid. www.wcnc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/doctors-say-most-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-happen-within-two-months-of-any-shot/275-7a5fe649-d635-4683-bcb8-679112ebdc84A common comment from those who are hesitant to roll up their sleeves for a COVID-19 shot centers around whether they could experience side effects further in the future. However, health experts say most vaccine impacts happen in a relatively short period of time.
"Most people, if they're going to have some reaction to a vaccine, it's going to happen in the first six weeks after a vaccination," Dr. Jane Kelly said.
Kelly, who is Assistant State Epidemiologist with South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control, says, with the nation being several months removed from clinical trials and the start of the rollout of vaccine, concerns about long-term effects can largely be put aside.
"When you look at most physicians in the country have been vaccinated, we've got more than 200 million doses, I think that answers the question about whether there are long-term effects," Kelly said.I don't think this is a very good response to be honest. For the last year, doctors have been making comments about how, even though a mild case may seem like you recovered, we just don't know the long-term issues it might be created. You can't use that logic for the virus and not for the vaccine. The truth is with both, you don't know how it will look long-term because we haven't gotten there yet. I think a far better approach is to compare safety of getting COVID-19 vs. Getting the Vaccine. That's the argument that swayed my wife over to getting it for our 12-year old son. She was worried about the long-term impact and I told her that we don't know the long-term impact of COVID, so I'd rather take the chance on the vaccine. Have there ever been long term effects of any vaccine? Ones that are discovered 6 months, 1 year out or years later? They are different. If the vaccine contained live virus, I'd agree with you. It doesn't. I have some ideas what long term impact for Covid can be, I've yet to hear anything from health care workers I work with or come in. Some got shots in December. Another article- immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-long-term-side-effects-caused-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-how-do-we-knowAccording to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia , the vaccine is not expected to have long-term negative effects for a few reasons:
First, most negative effects occur within 6 weeks of receiving a vaccine, which is why the FDA asked the companies to provide 8 weeks of safety data after the last dose.
Second, the mRNA in the vaccine breaks down pretty quickly because our cells need a way to stop mRNA from making too many proteins or too much protein.
But, even if for some reason our cells did not break down the vaccine mRNA, the mRNA stops making the protein within about a week, regardless of the body’s immune response to the protein.
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Post by Opti on May 21, 2021 14:50:12 GMT -5
Should I be concerned that in 2021 I might have some long term effects from a flu shot I got in 2017? Or any other year?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 21, 2021 15:07:38 GMT -5
I don't think this is a very good response to be honest. For the last year, doctors have been making comments about how, even though a mild case may seem like you recovered, we just don't know the long-term issues it might be created. You can't use that logic for the virus and not for the vaccine. The truth is with both, you don't know how it will look long-term because we haven't gotten there yet. I think a far better approach is to compare safety of getting COVID-19 vs. Getting the Vaccine. That's the argument that swayed my wife over to getting it for our 12-year old son. She was worried about the long-term impact and I told her that we don't know the long-term impact of COVID, so I'd rather take the chance on the vaccine. Have there ever been long term effects of any vaccine? Ones that are discovered 6 months, 1 year out or years later? They are different. If the vaccine contained live virus, I'd agree with you. It doesn't. I have some ideas what long term impact for Covid can be, I've yet to hear anything from health care workers I work with or come in. Some got shots in December. Another article- immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-long-term-side-effects-caused-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-how-do-we-knowAccording to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia , the vaccine is not expected to have long-term negative effects for a few reasons:
First, most negative effects occur within 6 weeks of receiving a vaccine, which is why the FDA asked the companies to provide 8 weeks of safety data after the last dose.
Second, the mRNA in the vaccine breaks down pretty quickly because our cells need a way to stop mRNA from making too many proteins or too much protein.
But, even if for some reason our cells did not break down the vaccine mRNA, the mRNA stops making the protein within about a week, regardless of the body’s immune response to the protein.Yes. Guillain Barre Syndrome has been associated with vaccines. It is rare, but happens.
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Post by Opti on May 21, 2021 15:11:54 GMT -5
Have there ever been long term effects of any vaccine? Ones that are discovered 6 months, 1 year out or years later? They are different. If the vaccine contained live virus, I'd agree with you. It doesn't. I have some ideas what long term impact for Covid can be, I've yet to hear anything from health care workers I work with or come in. Some got shots in December. Another article- immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-long-term-side-effects-caused-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-how-do-we-knowAccording to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia , the vaccine is not expected to have long-term negative effects for a few reasons:
First, most negative effects occur within 6 weeks of receiving a vaccine, which is why the FDA asked the companies to provide 8 weeks of safety data after the last dose.
Second, the mRNA in the vaccine breaks down pretty quickly because our cells need a way to stop mRNA from making too many proteins or too much protein.
But, even if for some reason our cells did not break down the vaccine mRNA, the mRNA stops making the protein within about a week, regardless of the body’s immune response to the protein. Yes. Guillain Barre Syndrome has been associated with vaccines. It is rare, but happens. When is the onset of this syndrome?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 21, 2021 15:12:28 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/india/black-fungus-mucormycosis-covid-explainer-intl-hnk/index.htmlJFC. Here's an excellent reason to get the vaccine. Sure you may not get black fungus but, as anytime you get sick, what bugs might hitch a ride are a concern. We know now that people weren't dying of the 1918 flu per say, it was an additional secondary infection that caused you to drown in your bodily fluids. The flu wiped out people's immune systems leaving them defenseless. Looks like COVID does the same thing. In early May, doctors in India began raising the alarm about a rise in mucormycosis -- a rare and potentially deadly infection also known as black fungus.
Many of those being infected are coronavirus patients, or those who have recently recovered from Covid-19, whose immune systems have been weakened by the virus or who have underlying conditions -- most notably diabetes.
In the past few weeks, thousands of black fungus cases have been reported across the country, with hundreds hospitalized and at least 90 dead. Two states have declared it an epidemic, and the central government has made it a notifiable disease.
Yes it is your choice not to get the vaccine but I hope that people who don't recognize what a tremendous amount of privilege that choice comes with. Meanwhile people who want one can't get one and are at risk of stuff like this. This has been the argument I have been using on my hip groups about getting vaccinated. Viral diseases frequently depress your immune system, letting secondary bacterial infections in. In replacements, ANY bacterial infection is a bad thing. And to piggy back on this, the 1918 flu season also got a double whammy. The depressed immune system from the flu brought on both measles in susceptible individuals, or a bacterial pneumonia.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 21, 2021 15:15:38 GMT -5
Yes. Guillain Barre Syndrome has been associated with vaccines. It is rare, but happens. When is the onset of this syndrome? Weeks after vaccination, but it can take a long time to diagnose as the syndrome comes on very slowly. It can take up to 3 years to resolve.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 21, 2021 15:19:47 GMT -5
Have there ever been long term effects of any vaccine? Ones that are discovered 6 months, 1 year out or years later? They are different. If the vaccine contained live virus, I'd agree with you. It doesn't. I have some ideas what long term impact for Covid can be, I've yet to hear anything from health care workers I work with or come in. Some got shots in December. Another article- immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-long-term-side-effects-caused-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-how-do-we-knowAccording to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia , the vaccine is not expected to have long-term negative effects for a few reasons:
First, most negative effects occur within 6 weeks of receiving a vaccine, which is why the FDA asked the companies to provide 8 weeks of safety data after the last dose.
Second, the mRNA in the vaccine breaks down pretty quickly because our cells need a way to stop mRNA from making too many proteins or too much protein.
But, even if for some reason our cells did not break down the vaccine mRNA, the mRNA stops making the protein within about a week, regardless of the body’s immune response to the protein. Yes. Guillain Barre Syndrome has been associated with vaccines. It is rare, but happens. Oh awesome. Ex 2.0's uncle just collapsed a couple weeks ago and was diagnosed with Guillain Barre. Ex MIL who has been a very vocal "covid is a hoax" person this whole time jumped on it as being vaccine caused. This is the MIL that spews conspiracy theories constantly and compares alien abduction stories with her equally special daughter, so I hate that she could have actually got this one right.
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This has been the argument I have been using on my hip groups about getting vaccinated. Viral diseases frequently depress your immune system, letting secondary bacterial infections in. In replacements, ANY bacterial infection is a bad thing. And to piggy back on this, the 1918 flu season also got a double whammy. The depressed immune system from the flu brought on both measles in susceptible individuals, or a bacterial pneumonia. Ah, that happened to DH on each of probably the last 5 big trips we took together. He had a weak immune system and the stress of travel (even though we both loved it) would bring on a bad cold, sometimes on the way home. Bad cold would go away and then he'd have either pneumonia or bronchitis. They took forever to go away even with a course of antibiotics.
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Post by Opti on May 21, 2021 15:27:56 GMT -5
Yes. Guillain Barre Syndrome has been associated with vaccines. It is rare, but happens. Oh awesome. Ex 2.0's uncle just collapsed a couple weeks ago and was diagnosed with Guillain Barre. Ex MIL who has been a very vocal "covid is a hoax" person this whole time jumped on it as being vaccine caused. This is the MIL that spews conspiracy theories constantly and compares alien abduction stories with her equally special daughter, so I hate that she could have actually got this one right. I just did a touch of Google-fu. It can also be caused by various bacteria including things like Mono. I did find two cases that seem Covid vaccine related, one was diagnosed very quickly.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 21, 2021 15:30:25 GMT -5
My former boss who was an ICU pharmacist said hospitals are one of the worst places you can be while sick for this reason. You're at your lowest surrounded by other sick people. You may end up leaving with more than you came in with. I'm sorry but the fact that medical professionals are adding to this by refusing to get vaccinated to me is appalling. To me medicine is one of those professions you don't go into if you feel that your right not to get vaccinated is that important. Your patients don't deserve to be put at risk in the name of your rights. There are other professions you can choose that don't come with vaccination requirements. Nebraska Medicine and UMNC only allow you to refuse the flu shot if you have documented medical allergies to it. I imagine they will do the same with COVID if they have not already.
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Post by Ryan on May 21, 2021 16:08:09 GMT -5
I don't think this is a very good response to be honest. For the last year, doctors have been making comments about how, even though a mild case may seem like you recovered, we just don't know the long-term issues it might be created. You can't use that logic for the virus and not for the vaccine. The truth is with both, you don't know how it will look long-term because we haven't gotten there yet. I think a far better approach is to compare safety of getting COVID-19 vs. Getting the Vaccine. That's the argument that swayed my wife over to getting it for our 12-year old son. She was worried about the long-term impact and I told her that we don't know the long-term impact of COVID, so I'd rather take the chance on the vaccine. Have there ever been long term effects of any vaccine? Ones that are discovered 6 months, 1 year out or years later? They are different. If the vaccine contained live virus, I'd agree with you. It doesn't. I have some ideas what long term impact for Covid can be, I've yet to hear anything from health care workers I work with or come in. Some got shots in December. Another article- immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-long-term-side-effects-caused-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-how-do-we-knowAccording to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia , the vaccine is not expected to have long-term negative effects for a few reasons:
First, most negative effects occur within 6 weeks of receiving a vaccine, which is why the FDA asked the companies to provide 8 weeks of safety data after the last dose.
Second, the mRNA in the vaccine breaks down pretty quickly because our cells need a way to stop mRNA from making too many proteins or too much protein.
But, even if for some reason our cells did not break down the vaccine mRNA, the mRNA stops making the protein within about a week, regardless of the body’s immune response to the protein.I have no idea, but my point is that doctors ALWAYS say that they can't comment on XYZ because it's too soon to tell. Then they shouldn't start using different logic for a vaccine. The fact is that they won't know for sure what the long-term impact of a vaccine is until it's been long-term enough to look into it. I think they say "Looks good so far, no reason to believe otherwise" and then give people a compelling argument if they are on the fence (COVID also has unknowns that we know are far worse short term, likely long-term).
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Post by jerseygirl on May 21, 2021 16:26:28 GMT -5
Another issue for long term effects of a vaccine, if something rare occurs 2,3,4 etc years later, very difficult to associate with vaccine when years of living bring many other possibilities to suspect
Unless it’s really unusual like the cranial blood clots but even with that it was really suspected to associate with vaccine because close to vaccination
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Post by Opti on May 21, 2021 16:27:23 GMT -5
Have there ever been long term effects of any vaccine? Ones that are discovered 6 months, 1 year out or years later? They are different. If the vaccine contained live virus, I'd agree with you. It doesn't. I have some ideas what long term impact for Covid can be, I've yet to hear anything from health care workers I work with or come in. Some got shots in December. Another article- immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-long-term-side-effects-caused-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-how-do-we-knowAccording to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia , the vaccine is not expected to have long-term negative effects for a few reasons:
First, most negative effects occur within 6 weeks of receiving a vaccine, which is why the FDA asked the companies to provide 8 weeks of safety data after the last dose.
Second, the mRNA in the vaccine breaks down pretty quickly because our cells need a way to stop mRNA from making too many proteins or too much protein.
But, even if for some reason our cells did not break down the vaccine mRNA, the mRNA stops making the protein within about a week, regardless of the body’s immune response to the protein.I have no idea, but my point is that doctors ALWAYS say that they can't comment on XYZ because it's too soon to tell. Then they shouldn't start using different logic for a vaccine. The fact is that they won't know for sure what the long-term impact of a vaccine is until it's been long-term enough to look into it. I think they say "Looks good so far, no reason to believe otherwise" and then give people a compelling argument if they are on the fence (COVID also has unknowns that we know are far worse short term, likely long-term). No they don't. There are many thing you can comment on right away like 'do I need stitches', is my leg broken, or am I pregnant for just a few examples. I know that is one of your personal favorite medical beliefs but it isn't true. While I didn't find many, there are some vaccine studies that are multiple years done allover the world. The summaries most had things like no difference found between vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. Its been over three months for me since I had my last shot and that's true of many who work with me. Plus there are doctors and other medical professionals who are 4 months or more post shot. I'm not expecting any big reveals at this point. But being a disease, not a shot to create antibodies, I expect there is much more to learn about long term effects of Covid including things like whether kidney, heart, or lung damage reverses in any way, stabilizes, or gets worse.
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Post by chiver78 on May 21, 2021 16:45:15 GMT -5
Have there ever been long term effects of any vaccine? Ones that are discovered 6 months, 1 year out or years later? They are different. If the vaccine contained live virus, I'd agree with you. It doesn't. I have some ideas what long term impact for Covid can be, I've yet to hear anything from health care workers I work with or come in. Some got shots in December. Another article- immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-long-term-side-effects-caused-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-how-do-we-knowAccording to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia , the vaccine is not expected to have long-term negative effects for a few reasons:
First, most negative effects occur within 6 weeks of receiving a vaccine, which is why the FDA asked the companies to provide 8 weeks of safety data after the last dose.
Second, the mRNA in the vaccine breaks down pretty quickly because our cells need a way to stop mRNA from making too many proteins or too much protein.
But, even if for some reason our cells did not break down the vaccine mRNA, the mRNA stops making the protein within about a week, regardless of the body’s immune response to the protein. Yes. Guillain Barre Syndrome has been associated with vaccines. It is rare, but happens. curious (as a pharma wonk, not because I got an mRNA vax) but have there been any GBS associated with this particular flavor of vax? I always thought GBS was linked to traditional vax prep methods. I could be wrong, though.
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Post by chiver78 on May 21, 2021 16:46:42 GMT -5
My former boss who was an ICU pharmacist said hospitals are one of the worst places you can be while sick for this reason. You're at your lowest surrounded by other sick people. You may end up leaving with more than you came in with. I'm sorry but the fact that medical professionals are adding to this by refusing to get vaccinated to me is appalling. To me medicine is one of those professions you don't go into if you feel that your right not to get vaccinated is that important. Your patients don't deserve to be put at risk in the name of your rights. There are other professions you can choose that don't come with vaccination requirements.
Nebraska Medicine and UMNC only allow you to refuse the flu shot if you have documented medical allergies to it. I imagine they will do the same with COVID if they have not already. **POTD** I would highlight this with fireworks if I could.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 21, 2021 16:53:31 GMT -5
Yes. Guillain Barre Syndrome has been associated with vaccines. It is rare, but happens. curious (as a pharma wonk, not because I got an mRNA vax) but have there been any GBS associated with this particular flavor of vax? I always thought GBS was linked to traditional vax prep methods. I could be wrong, though. It looks like it was seen a few times. I do remember the trials being stopped due to neurological syndromes, so I wonder if that was it? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7978140/
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Post by chiver78 on May 21, 2021 16:55:17 GMT -5
oh wow, okay. I have to admit, I wasn't tuned in for a lot of the early stuff, since I still wasn't actually sure I *could* have any of these. thanks for the link, reading now!
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 21, 2021 17:28:58 GMT -5
My former boss who was an ICU pharmacist said hospitals are one of the worst places you can be while sick for this reason. You're at your lowest surrounded by other sick people. You may end up leaving with more than you came in with. I'm sorry but the fact that medical professionals are adding to this by refusing to get vaccinated to me is appalling. To me medicine is one of those professions you don't go into if you feel that your right not to get vaccinated is that important. Your patients don't deserve to be put at risk in the name of your rights. There are other professions you can choose that don't come with vaccination requirements. Nebraska Medicine and UMNC only allow you to refuse the flu shot if you have documented medical allergies to it. I imagine they will do the same with COVID if they have not already. Welcome to our world. I do not understand the medical professionals who do not get vaccinated. Irresponsible. Unfortunately, they do not want to listen to science at times either. We started talking about making the vaccine mandatory. The state hospital association asked that we hold off while they discuss it and come up with a consensus policy. I imagine we will do this statewide once it receives full improvement. Will be interesting to see home many people quit
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 21, 2021 17:32:39 GMT -5
Have there ever been long term effects of any vaccine? Ones that are discovered 6 months, 1 year out or years later? They are different. If the vaccine contained live virus, I'd agree with you. It doesn't. I have some ideas what long term impact for Covid can be, I've yet to hear anything from health care workers I work with or come in. Some got shots in December. Another article- immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-long-term-side-effects-caused-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-how-do-we-knowAccording to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia , the vaccine is not expected to have long-term negative effects for a few reasons:
First, most negative effects occur within 6 weeks of receiving a vaccine, which is why the FDA asked the companies to provide 8 weeks of safety data after the last dose.
Second, the mRNA in the vaccine breaks down pretty quickly because our cells need a way to stop mRNA from making too many proteins or too much protein.
But, even if for some reason our cells did not break down the vaccine mRNA, the mRNA stops making the protein within about a week, regardless of the body’s immune response to the protein.I have no idea, but my point is that doctors ALWAYS say that they can't comment on XYZ because it's too soon to tell. Then they shouldn't start using different logic for a vaccine. The fact is that they won't know for sure what the long-term impact of a vaccine is until it's been long-term enough to look into it. I think they say "Looks good so far, no reason to believe otherwise" and then give people a compelling argument if they are on the fence (COVID also has unknowns that we know are far worse short term, likely long-term). We don’t use the same logic because people are dying and we are in an emergency. 600k people have died. Unless we vaccinate, there is no reason to believe the death rate would not be double or triple until we are done. Vaccine science is very well understood. The likelihood that a vaccine would cause anywhere close to this carnage is remote. In addition, we do not know the long term side effects of Covid either. No reason to think those are not worse than a vaccine
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