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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 19, 2021 20:41:05 GMT -5
My dad is finally vaccinated they offered the J&J at a local grocery store pharmacy. That leaves my great uncle and my grandmother both of whom refuse to get it because they don't trust it. The two oldest and most at risk. Seriously? My great uncle claims a nurse is coming on Friday to give them a flu shot. No...flu shots aren't in May. So my parents are trying to figure out WTF is going on. Maybe it’s really a Covid vaccine, not flu shot That's what we're thinking but just today went on an ant COVID vaccine rant. Hence my parents confusion. Unfortunately it's a massive informed consent violation otherwise I would say roll with it everyone stay quiet. Beyond that my dad needs to know in case either or both end up incapacitated and can't communicate to medical personnel. Don't get them refusing COVID but they get the flu shot.
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Post by jerseygirl on May 19, 2021 21:25:44 GMT -5
Maybe it’s really a Covid vaccine, not flu shot That's what we're thinking but just today went on an ant COVID vaccine rant. Hence my parents confusion. Unfortunately it's a massive informed consent violation otherwise I would say roll with it everyone stay quiet. Beyond that my dad needs to know in case either or both end up incapacitated and can't communicate to medical personnel. Don't get them refusing COVID but they get the flu shot. Can you tell them Covid is ‘just another flu with a new name’?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 19, 2021 21:35:00 GMT -5
That's what we're thinking but just today went on an ant COVID vaccine rant. Hence my parents confusion. Unfortunately it's a massive informed consent violation otherwise I would say roll with it everyone stay quiet. Beyond that my dad needs to know in case either or both end up incapacitated and can't communicate to medical personnel. Don't get them refusing COVID but they get the flu shot. Can you tell them Covid is ‘just another flu with a new name’? I can't I'm part of the deep state. Then why ask me about the science? Irritates me when they do that.A Are they expecting me to reveal "the real truth" or something? Besides if I was do you think I'd be wasting my time at my job? I'd be hanging at the Legion of Doom. As a friend put it to me once it's like banging your head against a brick wall for fun. Don't know how much they'd listen to my dad. My mom suggested threatening no holidays because we can't be sure yet we won't spread it plus the kids aren't vaccinated yet but that probably won't work either. At the end of the day they are adults and can make their own choices. I can't keep spending the mental energy on people who refuse to listen.
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Post by Opti on May 20, 2021 6:11:53 GMT -5
Parental consent laws may complicate teen vaccination effort. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/covid-19-shots-for-teens-can-hit-legal-snags-and-parental-pushback/ar-BB1gTLAd?ocid=msedgntpA 16-year-old in South Carolina can get a Covid-19 vaccine without a parent’s permission. A 17-year-old in New York can’t. In Oregon, anyone 15 or older can, but not if a pharmacist is the one giving a shot.
With children aged 12 to 15 newly able to receive a Covid-19 vaccine, the patchwork of state laws that govern whether minors can receive the shots without their parents’ permission brings a new wrinkle to the patchwork of state laws that govern whether minors can receive the shots without their parents’ permission brings a new wrinkle to inoculation efforts. And vaccine providers—from family doctors to drugstores—are sorting out how to navigate situations in which children want the shot but their parents say no.
Young people now make up a bigger share of Covid-19 cases. The number of children who cumulatively have tested positive for the disease increased 3% in the two-week period ended May 13, while children comprised 24% of cases reported last week, according to data compiled by the American Academy of Pediatrics. The definition of child relative to the data varies based on each state’s statutes.
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Last night the vestry (governing board) of our church met and decided that masks were optional for those vaccinated, we'd continue distancing (plenty of room for it) but no communion wine and no congregational singing. Everyone in Sunday School- adults and kids- will still be masked. Our congregation is mostly older, we know each other and I trust those who say they've been vaccinated to be telling the truth.
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Post by stillmovingforward on May 20, 2021 8:26:50 GMT -5
Last night the vestry (governing board) of our church met and decided that masks were optional for those vaccinated, we'd continue distancing (plenty of room for it) but no communion wine and no congregational singing. Everyone in Sunday School- adults and kids- will still be masked. Our congregation is mostly older, we know each other and I trust those who say they've been vaccinated to be telling the truth. This last statement entertains me. Can you imagine lying about something so you can have your own way..... in order to go to church?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 8:46:43 GMT -5
This last statement entertains me. Can you imagine lying about something so you can have your own way..... in order to go to church? Well, DB and DSIL did. Their church had a separate room with a video screen for people who weren't vaccinated. DB and DSIL are waiting to get the one vaccine they think is safe (Pfizer?) but sat in the pews anyway. Knowing them I was actually relieved to find that they were willing to get even ONE of the available vaccines. On an unrelated note- I got the first dose of the Shingles vaccine 2 days ago- no side effects other than upper arm sore to the touch. First I waited because supplies were scarce and some couldn't get their second dose. Then COVID hit. Then I wanted to wait till after the COVID vaccines AND after my routine mammogram so that any enlarged lymph nodes from the immune response didn't show up on a mammogram. I'm grateful to have that done.
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Post by Ryan on May 20, 2021 10:39:10 GMT -5
Last night the vestry (governing board) of our church met and decided that masks were optional for those vaccinated, we'd continue distancing (plenty of room for it) but no communion wine and no congregational singing. Everyone in Sunday School- adults and kids- will still be masked. Our congregation is mostly older, we know each other and I trust those who say they've been vaccinated to be telling the truth. This last statement entertains me. Can you imagine lying about something so you can have your own way..... in order to go to church? My church is just ridiculous. Before things got really bad, masks were optional. Then over the winter, they became a requirement for all services. Slowly you saw 1 person not wearing one, then it picked up every week. I haven't been since the CDC came out with their recommendations, but it's probably 50% not wearing masks and the 50% are not the ones vaccinated. I always thought it was funny/sad that these morons chose church as the place to take their stand on not wearing masks. You have a pastor up there that's trying to just do the right thing, but then he has to deal with a bunch of buttheads that think they are patriots or something. These same people wouldn't make a statement like that in a grocery store because they are too cowardly.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 20, 2021 10:51:27 GMT -5
Last night the vestry (governing board) of our church met and decided that masks were optional for those vaccinated, we'd continue distancing (plenty of room for it) but no communion wine and no congregational singing. Everyone in Sunday School- adults and kids- will still be masked. Our congregation is mostly older, we know each other and I trust those who say they've been vaccinated to be telling the truth. This last statement entertains me. Can you imagine lying about something so you can have your own way..... in order to go to church? I trust the majority in my church, but its big enough that I don't trust all of them.
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Post by jerseygirl on May 20, 2021 11:40:52 GMT -5
Restarted going to church after we were vaccinated. Everyone wore masks even the little kids Pastor told us at beginning lockdown, 60 snd over watch Mass online. Normally around 250 at each Mass of 4 weekends, but only around 70? Since we’ve been going back, missing both young families and oldsters Here in north jersey mask compliance is very good, Covid cases and deaths way down from the terrifying spring of 2020 and keeps decreasing. Gov said still need to wear masks inside BTW, our county and town are very red but middle to upper middle incomes so probably relatively educated
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 20, 2021 12:02:23 GMT -5
This last statement entertains me. Can you imagine lying about something so you can have your own way..... in order to go to church? My church is just ridiculous. Before things got really bad, masks were optional. Then over the winter, they became a requirement for all services. Slowly you saw 1 person not wearing one, then it picked up every week. I haven't been since the CDC came out with their recommendations, but it's probably 50% not wearing masks and the 50% are not the ones vaccinated. I always thought it was funny/sad that these morons chose church as the place to take their stand on not wearing masks. You have a pastor up there that's trying to just do the right thing, but then he has to deal with a bunch of buttheads that think they are patriots or something. These same people wouldn't make a statement like that in a grocery store because they are too cowardly. I had people on my Facebook feeding claimimg "God will protect them!" so they don't need to wear masks or get vaccinated. Yeah that worked out REAL well for Herman Cain.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 20, 2021 12:09:02 GMT -5
My church is just ridiculous. Before things got really bad, masks were optional. Then over the winter, they became a requirement for all services. Slowly you saw 1 person not wearing one, then it picked up every week. I haven't been since the CDC came out with their recommendations, but it's probably 50% not wearing masks and the 50% are not the ones vaccinated. I always thought it was funny/sad that these morons chose church as the place to take their stand on not wearing masks. You have a pastor up there that's trying to just do the right thing, but then he has to deal with a bunch of buttheads that think they are patriots or something. These same people wouldn't make a statement like that in a grocery store because they are too cowardly. I had people on my Facebook feeding claimimg "God will protect them!" so they don't need to wear masks or get vaccinated. Yeah that worked out REAL well for Herman Cain. What, are they a bunch of snake handlers now?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 20, 2021 12:12:07 GMT -5
Mask compliance around here is still pretty good. This county is doing ok, but one particular area seems to be the pocket of disease for the county and drives the numbers up. TD went to a funeral in that area in March (before vaccinations opened up for those under 65) and he said less than 30% of the people attending were wearing masks. He was, and got the hell out as soon as feasible.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 20, 2021 12:18:53 GMT -5
I had people on my Facebook feeding claimimg "God will protect them!" so they don't need to wear masks or get vaccinated. Yeah that worked out REAL well for Herman Cain. What, are they a bunch of snake handlers now? That would certainly be more interesting and make more sense. Nope just normal Christians. Was sorely tempted to ask so if someone gets it and dies does that mean they deserved it? How well is that going to go down at grandma's funeral?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 13:02:33 GMT -5
My church is just ridiculous. Before things got really bad, masks were optional. Then over the winter, they became a requirement for all services. Slowly you saw 1 person not wearing one, then it picked up every week. I haven't been since the CDC came out with their recommendations, but it's probably 50% not wearing masks and the 50% are not the ones vaccinated. I always thought it was funny/sad that these morons chose church as the place to take their stand on not wearing masks. You have a pastor up there that's trying to just do the right thing, but then he has to deal with a bunch of buttheads that think they are patriots or something. These same people wouldn't make a statement like that in a grocery store because they are too cowardly. I had people on my Facebook feeding claimimg "God will protect them!" so they don't need to wear masks or get vaccinated. Yeah that worked out REAL well for Herman Cain. "Do not put the Lord your God to the test as you did at Massah." Deuteronomy 6:16
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Post by zibazinski on May 20, 2021 13:09:05 GMT -5
Yes, that’s why she was opposed. She actually works in Infectious Disease. DS has it but DD will not. Her fiancé was forced to get it or he couldn’t fly. I want a better explanation. She's not opposed because she works in healthcare. I work in healthcare. Now I have had coworkers and visitors opposed for various reasons. Some said well I got Covid and I survived this long so I'm not going to get the vaccine. Some did not get it because it was too soon and did not want to be in the first wave of getting it. Roughly a third of Americans are vaccinated so too soon should be off the table. One of my coworkers who wanted to wait, just recently got shot one on his own. A coworker who had Covid just got the J&J shot. She’s opposed because she doesn’t think it’ll do any good since it mutates.
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Post by zibazinski on May 20, 2021 13:15:20 GMT -5
Okay, I'll do it.
MPL trained as a nurse but left the field almost immediately. I can't remember how much she sank into tuition or what kind of loans she took on or exactly why she left.
I am positive that her post was making fun of herself. I don't believe for a second that she was trying to point out that she faced a similar moral and ethical dilemma and did the right thing. She's too good of a person to do that. (I'm not being sarcastic here.) No. I wasn't even thinking about that nursing stint some 16 years ago. I just think a career in infectious disease while being anti-vaccine doesn't make much sense.
She’s not anti-vaccine at all. She’s anti this one for covid.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 20, 2021 14:13:13 GMT -5
I want a better explanation. She's not opposed because she works in healthcare. I work in healthcare. Now I have had coworkers and visitors opposed for various reasons. Some said well I got Covid and I survived this long so I'm not going to get the vaccine. Some did not get it because it was too soon and did not want to be in the first wave of getting it. Roughly a third of Americans are vaccinated so too soon should be off the table. One of my coworkers who wanted to wait, just recently got shot one on his own. A coworker who had Covid just got the J&J shot. She’s opposed because she doesn’t think it’ll do any good since it mutates. Maybe she needs to go back to school. That is completely wrong
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Post by NastyWoman on May 20, 2021 14:54:14 GMT -5
Last night the vestry (governing board) of our church met and decided that masks were optional for those vaccinated, we'd continue distancing (plenty of room for it) but no communion wine and no congregational singing. Everyone in Sunday School- adults and kids- will still be masked. Our congregation is mostly older, we know each other and I trust those who say they've been vaccinated to be telling the truth. This last statement entertains me. Can you imagine lying about something so you can have your own way..... in order to go to church? From the bottom of my heart and with a deep conviction: absolutely YES I CAN!!! and how sad is that
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 20, 2021 15:25:41 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with my 90 year old aunt. Both she and I are fully vaccinated. Her son and DIL built on a space for her at their house. They share a kitchen.
She said neither her son or DIL are vaccinated because they don't see the need. Her DIL was extremely sick with covid in March of 2020 and works in a hospital.
Later on in the conversation, she invited me to come visit when I am in town over Memorial Day. I had to tell that I can't go there because my cousin and his wife are not vaccinated.
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Post by zibazinski on May 20, 2021 18:26:54 GMT -5
She’s opposed because she doesn’t think it’ll do any good since it mutates. Maybe she needs to go back to school. That is completely wrong Are you saying there’s been no mutation?
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Post by haapai on May 20, 2021 19:25:05 GMT -5
Maybe she needs to go back to school. That is completely wrong Are you saying there’s been no mutation? I may have just gotten an insight into your daughter's behavior and what she is saying. I don't agree with her conclusions, but I may have clue as to where they came from.
Did your daughter attend Michigan State University in the mid 1990s or later? She sure sounds like someone who was exposed to a prof that I had a bit of exposure to. He was a born-again mess that the biology department didn't want teaching their students so they let him teach integrated studies courses that no body seriously interested in science would ever take.
That guy had some seriously weird beliefs and one of his hobby-horses was the superiority of resistance versus immunity. Most of his examples involved crop diseases and pesticides, but he was pretty adamant that immunity was weaker than resistance.
I can kinda see how someone exposed to someone like him and not given adequate PPE and fed a whole lot of BS during the pandemic (or longer) might reach the same conclusions as your daughter. I still think that she is wrong, and that her actions endanger both her patients and herself, but I kinda understand her fear of being part of the line that fails when immunity is breached.
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Post by Opti on May 20, 2021 20:00:18 GMT -5
Maybe she needs to go back to school. That is completely wrong Are you saying there’s been no mutation? Well she thinks it will do no good in spite of the fact Pfizer for one has tested its vaccine against several variants and it is effective against them?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 20, 2021 21:39:12 GMT -5
Maybe she needs to go back to school. That is completely wrong Are you saying there’s been no mutation? No, mutations happen. How you stop them is by stopping transmission. If the virus doesn’t replicate it cannot mutate. Vaccines stop replication and transmission, so it mutates less. In addition, mutations may make the vaccine less effective, not ineffective. The vaccine is 95% effective. If mutations make it 75% effective, it is still worthwhile to get it. Finally, there is no better way to prevent someone from getting sick than vaccination. As I said, her belief is completely wrong. If she is advising patients not to get it she is committing malpractice
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Post by zibazinski on May 20, 2021 21:45:33 GMT -5
Are you saying there’s been no mutation? I may have just gotten an insight into your daughter's behavior and what she is saying. I don't agree with her conclusions, but I may have clue as to where they came from.
Did your daughter attend Michigan State University in the mid 1990s or later? She sure sounds like someone who was exposed to a prof that I had a bit of exposure to. He was a born-again mess that the biology department didn't want teaching their students so they let him teach integrated studies courses that no body seriously interested in science would ever take.
That guy had some seriously weird beliefs and one of his hobby-horses was the superiority of resistance versus immunity. Most of his examples involved crop diseases and pesticides, but he was pretty adamant that immunity was weaker than resistance.
I can kinda see how someone exposed to someone like him and not given adequate PPE and fed a whole lot of BS during the pandemic (or longer) might reach the same conclusions as your daughter. I still think that she is wrong, and that her actions endanger both her patients and herself, but I kinda understand her fear of being part of the line that fails when immunity is breached.
No but she does have a jaundiced view of life which has served her well. She wears PPE and is very careful of protocols. Just doesn’t think the vaccine is something for her. I volunteer at a level one trauma center and 32% of the employees have said no to the vaccine. I got the Pfizer but I don’t know whether it’ll work or not. I’m going to a memorial Sunday for someone who had the vaccine, got in a car accident, and got covid after that. Who knows from whom? The EMT’s? A nurse? A doctor? Someone who cleaned her room or delivered her food? Just rotten luck.
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Post by zibazinski on May 20, 2021 21:46:56 GMT -5
Are you saying there’s been no mutation? No, mutations happen. How you stop them is by stopping transmission. If the virus doesn’t replicate it cannot mutate. Vaccines stop replication and transmission, so it mutates less. In addition, mutations may make the vaccine less effective, not ineffective. The vaccine is 95% effective. If mutations make it 75% effective, it is still worthwhile to get it. Finally, there is no better way to prevent someone from getting sick than vaccination. As I said, her belief is completely wrong. If she is advising patients not to get it she is committing malpractice She is not advising patients to do it or not to do it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 20, 2021 21:50:41 GMT -5
It mutates but that's not how immunity and transmission work. A virus can only mutate so much until it can no longer infect its host and it goes extinct.
When you've had it or had a vaccine your body develops memory T and B cells. Those activate upon exposure. They learn and in turn create more of themselves. They respond even quicker to the next exposure so forth and so on.
That's why it's important to get your flu shot. Sure it may miss this year's mark but one of the strains in it may be the next 1918 and your body having already seen it's cousin gives you an advantage in the name of survival.
Pzier and Moderna are already doing clinical trials and both show they prevent severe illness and death for current variants. People need to remember that this is the goal, not to cure it.
That has only ever happened with small pox because we're the only host.
So yes she is WAY wrong. Did she not have to take immunology as part of her degree?
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 20, 2021 22:15:45 GMT -5
Wow. That's got to be unusual for a hospital. I'm by Mayo, and they were over 80% vaccinated back in early March. I don't know what they're at now, but the entire county is at 75% for over age 16. I think my electronics manufacturing company is at over 70% vaccinated.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 21, 2021 3:28:14 GMT -5
You do realise that the US isn't letting us in.... nor is Australia and New Zealand.
We have a green list of 12 Countries that we can holiday in and a couple of those are Islands next to Antarctica (They are in Winter) I'm guessing they want us to stay home. The EU is letting vaccinated Brits in .... but they will have to factor in quarantine when they get back.
I'm not blaming any Country for simply trying to protect their citizens by putting measures in for the borders. Who isn't doing that?
besides our Indian variant is rising exponentially and until we get on top of it..... there is a risk.
I'm going for my second jab in two weeks and tbh it can't come soon enough.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 21, 2021 3:53:55 GMT -5
Just managed to get an appointment for second jab tomorrow .... phew.
We are surge testing in our area because of the increases...... so this isn't a bad plan.
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