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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 8, 2021 10:56:23 GMT -5
One of the things we must avoid is vaccinated people (tourists) ........ going to areas with high infection. The only virus they'll be able to pick up.......and bring home .... will be vaccine resistant and thats really bad news. None of the virus variants have been shown to be vaccine resistant. Stop fear mongering.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 8, 2021 10:58:21 GMT -5
Did they get very sick? For me, I'm mainly interested in how severe of a case a vaccinated person gets. If they are getting nothing more than a cold then I don't find it alarming. No. One was completely asymptomatic. The other mild. Then the vaccine worked.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 8, 2021 14:08:29 GMT -5
The metric for the vaccine is whether the vaccine prevents severe disease, hospitalization or death. 2 of the cases discussed said that they had mild/moderate disease in the vaccinated. The article did not discuss the severity of the cases in the placebo group, which makes me wonder about the motive of the article. ETA: The article that the authors based most of this on a viral neutralization study, in vitro. The problem with this is that immunity is based far more than just on antibody. You have a myriad of other immune defenses which are important in developing immunity, but when you look at a viral neutralization study, you are ONLY looking at antibody. Vaccination uses ALL immune defenses, not just antibody. I have a lot of procedural holes that I could pick in this article, where info is deliberately (?) left out.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 8, 2021 17:07:32 GMT -5
I guess its to corroborate SA returning AZ vaccine because they said it didn't work. www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-safrica-astrazenec-idUSKBN2AG08PAZ is still thought to offer some protection against serious illness in those infected with the SA variant but less protection from transmission, even after being vaccinated. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55534727"The South African variant carries a mutation, called N501Y, that appears to make it more contagious or easy to spread. Another mutation, called E484K, could help the virus dodge a person's immune system and may affect how well coronavirus vaccines work." E484K is appearing spontaneously in other variants. So we have been told not to go to red areas and bring this variant home. Most of us will vacation at home this year.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 19:42:27 GMT -5
I saw on FB yesterday that the Covid-19 vaccine isn't really a vaccine at all because it doesn't prevent the disease 100%. Uh, excuse me, neither does the seasonal flu vaccine. Just another BS excuse for nor taking a shot.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 8, 2021 19:49:41 GMT -5
I saw on FB yesterday that the Covid-19 vaccine isn't really a vaccine at all because it doesn't prevent the disease 100%. Uh, excuse me, neither does the seasonal flu vaccine. Just another BS excuse for nor taking a shot. Math is hard. I guess decreasing your risk by 95% is too hard to understand
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Post by NastyWoman on May 8, 2021 23:49:04 GMT -5
I saw on FB yesterday that the Covid-19 vaccine isn't really a vaccine at all because it doesn't prevent the disease 100%. Uh, excuse me, neither does the seasonal flu vaccine. Just another BS excuse for nor taking a shot. Math is hard. I guess decreasing your risk by 95% is too hard to understand As proven by the millions who go out and buy lottery tickets - after all you could win (your chance is roughly 1 in 292million) but reducing your chance of catching a life threatening disease by "only" 95% is not worth it
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Post by thyme4change on May 9, 2021 1:23:32 GMT -5
At my last dance competition. Theater probably half capacity. 60-70% of audience not wearing masks. Our studio are the only dancers wearing masks.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 9, 2021 9:29:37 GMT -5
But that can't be catching them all though because I know 2 already personally and they tested on their own at the saliva clinic and it doesn't ask if you're vaccinated. Did they get very sick? For me, I'm mainly interested in how severe of a case a vaccinated person gets. If they are getting nothing more than a cold then I don't find it alarming. it matters a lot to me as my 98 year old mother has refused getting vaxxed. We need to know how careful to be around her, and it's becoming "a thing" and I need info to push back on the guilt trips.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 9, 2021 10:24:59 GMT -5
Did they get very sick? For me, I'm mainly interested in how severe of a case a vaccinated person gets. If they are getting nothing more than a cold then I don't find it alarming. it matters a lot to me as my 98 year old mother has refused getting vaxxed. We need to know how careful to be around her, and it's becoming "a thing" and I need info to push back on the guilt trips. At some point you just have to bite the bullet. The only 100% safe approach is never to see her. I doubt that is an acceptable choice. You have done what you can if you are vaccinated and wear a mask around. There will not be anything else available to help further. The vaccine was 97% effective at preventing health care workers from catching covid in recent studies. Additionally, some studies are showing a significant decrease in asymptotic infections. More time will show what the number is, but time is a valuable resource for you and your mother. Do you want to have more time go by to know what the absolute risk is? These are tough decisions, but since your mother will not be vaccinated, I am not sure what else you can do. Sorry you are in this position
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Post by teen persuasion on May 9, 2021 14:38:01 GMT -5
Did they get very sick? For me, I'm mainly interested in how severe of a case a vaccinated person gets. If they are getting nothing more than a cold then I don't find it alarming. it matters a lot to me as my 98 year old mother has refused getting vaxxed. We need to know how careful to be around her, and it's becoming "a thing" and I need info to push back on the guilt trips. Yep, me too! Just talked with my mom; dad (90) got the J&J, but mom's flipped back to no-shots-for-me again. Everyone else that can be vaccinated has been (except the 3 nephews/nieces under 16 ATM), but that protects US, not her as much. We are all out bumping up against random strangers all week long at work/school. I don't want to accidentally bring Covid to mom. And she's all worried about the number of people who have died from the vaccine (source: my younger brother who claims to know 2 that died from the vaccine) but not all those people who actually died from Covid? Those numbers aren't real, everybody who dies is labelled Covid now, even car crashes!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 15:19:48 GMT -5
Well, both my 35-year old son and my 64-year old brother are actually considering vaccines but want the Pfizer or the J&J because they don't trust the mRNA technology. I know, I know...I listened to an interview with Dr. Paul Offitt in my way home from SC in which he said that in order for mRNA to get inside your cells and wreak havoc, 3 things would have to happen and the second two could happen only if the event preceding it did, and NONE of them could actually happen because mRNA doesn't have the components to enable the actions. If they get J&J or Pfizer I'll be happy. DS says that he's still not concerned about getting COVID himself but wants to keep from spreading an asymptomatic case to his fellow humans. I told him it wasn't just some faceless fellow human. He has 3 little kids, 7 and under, and BF just found out 3 days ago that a kindergarten classmate of his own granddaughter has tested positive for COVID. Granddaughter will be tested tomorrow- she shows no symptoms. Her Dad is fully vaccinated and Mom has had one dose.
Anyway- whatever motivates them to get ANY vaccine at this point.
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Post by justme on May 9, 2021 15:22:32 GMT -5
Well, both my 35-year old son and my 64-year old brother are actually considering vaccines but want the Pfizer or the J&J because they don't trust the mRNA technology. I know, I know...I listened to an interview with Dr. Paul Offitt in my way home from SC in which he said that in order for mRNA to get inside your cells and wreak havoc, 3 things would have to happen and the second two could happen only if the event preceding it did, and NONE of them could actually happen because mRNA doesn't have the components to enable the actions. If they get J&J or Pfizer I'll be happy. DS says that he's still not concerned about getting COVID himself but wants to keep from spreading an asymptomatic case to his fellow humans. I told him it wasn't just some faceless fellow human. He has 3 little kids, 7 and under, and BF just found out 3 days ago that a kindergarten classmate of his own granddaughter has tested positive for COVID. Granddaughter will be tested tomorrow- she shows no symptoms. Her Dad is fully vaccinated and Mom has had one dose. Anyway- whatever motivates them to get ANY vaccine at this point. They don't know Pfizer is mRNA?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 9, 2021 15:27:43 GMT -5
Well, both my 35-year old son and my 64-year old brother are actually considering vaccines but want the Pfizer or the J&J because they don't trust the mRNA technology. I know, I know...I listened to an interview with Dr. Paul Offitt in my way home from SC in which he said that in order for mRNA to get inside your cells and wreak havoc, 3 things would have to happen and the second two could happen only if the event preceding it did, and NONE of them could actually happen because mRNA doesn't have the components to enable the actions. If they get J&J or Pfizer I'll be happy. DS says that he's still not concerned about getting COVID himself but wants to keep from spreading an asymptomatic case to his fellow humans. I told him it wasn't just some faceless fellow human. He has 3 little kids, 7 and under, and BF just found out 3 days ago that a kindergarten classmate of his own granddaughter has tested positive for COVID. Granddaughter will be tested tomorrow- she shows no symptoms. Her Dad is fully vaccinated and Mom has had one dose. Anyway- whatever motivates them to get ANY vaccine at this point.Including bribes!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 15:59:19 GMT -5
They don't know Pfizer is mRNA? Now that I think of it, brother wants only J&J. Not sure why DS is open to Pfizer but I’m not arguing with him on that!
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Post by chiver78 on May 9, 2021 16:23:43 GMT -5
They don't know Pfizer is mRNA? Now that I think of it, brother wants only J&J. Not sure why DS is open to Pfizer but I’m not arguing with him on that! I've seen a number of folks posting in a vax search group that Pfizer is okay, that Moderna scares them bc "the company is so new!" um, the company is over 10yo, you've just never heard of them bc you've never needed a product of theirs. 🤷♀️
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Post by billisonboard on May 9, 2021 16:34:01 GMT -5
Now that I think of it, brother wants only J&J. Not sure why DS is open to Pfizer but I’m not arguing with him on that! I've seen a number of folks posting in a vax search group that Pfizer is okay, that Moderna scares them bc "the company is so new!" um, the company is over 10yo, you've just never heard of them bc you've never needed a product of theirs. 🤷♀️ 10 years is nothing. Didn't one of the Johnson's come over on the Mayflower? They have been around about that long haven't they?
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Post by chiver78 on May 9, 2021 16:57:19 GMT -5
lol...exactly. 🙄
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Post by billisonboard on May 9, 2021 17:08:57 GMT -5
I used to live in a very rural area where if your parents weren't born and raised there, you were considered a newbie.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 17:16:56 GMT -5
I am beginning to wonder if my friend's behavior is sort of a death wish thing. She's 79, says her immune system was destroyed by the chemo before surgery removed 9 inches of her colon, is legally blind due to macular degeneration (they recently stopped the injections in one eye which she said is an indication that it's hopeless), and has just been referred to a kidney specialist because her creatinine level is off the charts, apparently from the drug she's taken for 8 years for Crohn's disease.
She now firmly states that she will never, ever take any Covid vaccine because an acquaintance from church (yes, a respected medical researcher but not a virologist or immunologist) said not to because they are "rushed". Yet she continues to spend significant time with unvaccinated and unmasked friends, and talks about hugging people. Last week she got in my car without a mask for our weekly grocery run. I handed her the unused spare I keep in the car.
Her behaviors seem somewhat self-destructive which is perhaps understandable for someone whose life quality is pretty diminished.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 9, 2021 18:17:28 GMT -5
I used to live in a very rural area where if your parents weren't born and raised there, you were considered a newbie. That's where I live. It also includes grandparents and attending the correct church
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Post by Opti on May 10, 2021 6:16:48 GMT -5
Had someone come in yesterday for a visit for a family member who explained why she wouldn't get the vaccine. When I heard the do your own research line I knew where the source had to be, and I was right. www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-claimed-dozens-people-day-are-dying-covid-19-vaccine-its-blatant-lieCarlson inaccurately asserted that thousands of people have died after receiving the COVID-19 vaccination, claiming that “between late December of 2020 and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccine in the United States” and that even though the data was “not quite up to date,” we “can assume that another 360 people at that rate have died in the 12 days since. You put it all together, and that is a total of 3,722 deaths. That’s almost 4,000 people who died after getting the COVID vaccines. The actual number is almost certainly higher than that, perhaps vastly higher than that.”The sensational claims Carlson is parroting regarding a mass of unaddressed potentially COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths have been circulating online and on social media for months, and they are based on deeply unreliable data from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). VAERS allows the public open access to report incidents of adverse reactions to vaccinations.If these exaggerated numbers were correct, doing your research should include noting that over 109 million people have gotten the vaccine with a possible 3362 deaths. As of yesterday the US is nearing 33.5 Million cases of Covid with 595K deaths. I think Tucker Carlson's fear mongering has gotten RL people to think that if anyone dies for any reason after getting the vaccine, it must be due to the vaccine.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on May 10, 2021 7:20:39 GMT -5
Had someone come in yesterday for a visit for a family member who explained why she wouldn't get the vaccine. When I heard the do your own research line I knew where the source had to be, and I was right. www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-claimed-dozens-people-day-are-dying-covid-19-vaccine-its-blatant-lieCarlson inaccurately asserted that thousands of people have died after receiving the COVID-19 vaccination, claiming that “between late December of 2020 and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccine in the United States” and that even though the data was “not quite up to date,” we “can assume that another 360 people at that rate have died in the 12 days since. You put it all together, and that is a total of 3,722 deaths. That’s almost 4,000 people who died after getting the COVID vaccines. The actual number is almost certainly higher than that, perhaps vastly higher than that.”The sensational claims Carlson is parroting regarding a mass of unaddressed potentially COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths have been circulating online and on social media for months, and they are based on deeply unreliable data from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). VAERS allows the public open access to report incidents of adverse reactions to vaccinations.If these exaggerated numbers were correct, doing your research should include noting that over 109 million people have gotten the vaccine with a possible 3362 deaths. As of yesterday the US is nearing 33.5 Million cases of Covid with 595K deaths. I think Tucker Carlson's fear mongering has gotten RL people to think that if anyone dies for any reason after getting the vaccine, it must be due to the vaccine. Wasn’t tucker Carlson and faux news the ones crying last year saying that the CDC was attributing all deaths for someone who had covid to covid? Things like dying in a car accident, etc? While that was a bunch of bull, they spent months parroting that and saying that was “proof” covid wasn’t real. Now, it’s ok to do that with VAERS data? If it wasn’t ok for the CDC to “do” that with the disease, why is it ok to do that with the vaccine?
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Post by chiver78 on May 10, 2021 7:21:48 GMT -5
I used to live in a very rural area where if your parents weren't born and raised there, you were considered a newbie. one of the reasons I was okay leaving Cape Cod was that I could live there til the day I died, and still be considered a "washashore" whose opinion didn't matter as much as a seasonal person who had been going since infancy. figure that one out.
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Post by chiver78 on May 10, 2021 7:24:40 GMT -5
Had someone come in yesterday for a visit for a family member who explained why she wouldn't get the vaccine. When I heard the do your own research line I knew where the source had to be, and I was right. www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-claimed-dozens-people-day-are-dying-covid-19-vaccine-its-blatant-lieCarlson inaccurately asserted that thousands of people have died after receiving the COVID-19 vaccination, claiming that “between late December of 2020 and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccine in the United States” and that even though the data was “not quite up to date,” we “can assume that another 360 people at that rate have died in the 12 days since. You put it all together, and that is a total of 3,722 deaths. That’s almost 4,000 people who died after getting the COVID vaccines. The actual number is almost certainly higher than that, perhaps vastly higher than that.”The sensational claims Carlson is parroting regarding a mass of unaddressed potentially COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths have been circulating online and on social media for months, and they are based on deeply unreliable data from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). VAERS allows the public open access to report incidents of adverse reactions to vaccinations.If these exaggerated numbers were correct, doing your research should include noting that over 109 million people have gotten the vaccine with a possible 3362 deaths. As of yesterday the US is nearing 33.5 Million cases of Covid with 595K deaths. I think Tucker Carlson's fear mongering has gotten RL people to think that if anyone dies for any reason after getting the vaccine, it must be due to the vaccine. yabut, the CDC scared us all into thinking COVID was so deadly. they brainwashed doctors into listing COVID as the cause of death for people that died of other things, just to boost the death toll numbers in order to keep scaring Joe Q. Citizen. don't be fooled, Tucker knows what he's talking about. ouch, that hurt to write.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 10, 2021 7:52:44 GMT -5
Had someone come in yesterday for a visit for a family member who explained why she wouldn't get the vaccine. When I heard the do your own research line I knew where the source had to be, and I was right. www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-claimed-dozens-people-day-are-dying-covid-19-vaccine-its-blatant-lieCarlson inaccurately asserted that thousands of people have died after receiving the COVID-19 vaccination, claiming that “between late December of 2020 and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccine in the United States” and that even though the data was “not quite up to date,” we “can assume that another 360 people at that rate have died in the 12 days since. You put it all together, and that is a total of 3,722 deaths. That’s almost 4,000 people who died after getting the COVID vaccines. The actual number is almost certainly higher than that, perhaps vastly higher than that.”The sensational claims Carlson is parroting regarding a mass of unaddressed potentially COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths have been circulating online and on social media for months, and they are based on deeply unreliable data from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). VAERS allows the public open access to report incidents of adverse reactions to vaccinations.If these exaggerated numbers were correct, doing your research should include noting that over 109 million people have gotten the vaccine with a possible 3362 deaths. As of yesterday the US is nearing 33.5 Million cases of Covid with 595K deaths. I think Tucker Carlson's fear mongering has gotten RL people to think that if anyone dies for any reason after getting the vaccine, it must be due to the vaccine. Wasn’t tucker Carlson and faux news the ones crying last year saying that the CDC was attributing all deaths for someone who had covid to covid? Things like dying in a car accident, etc? While that was a bunch of bull, they spent months parroting that and saying that was “proof” covid wasn’t real. Now, it’s ok to do that with VAERS data? If it wasn’t ok for the CDC to “do” that with the disease, why is it ok to do that with the vaccine? You aren’t actually likely looking for consistency from Fox News, are you? ETA. And again, math is hard. The mortality rate(even if all deaths were due to the vaccine) is .03%, a rounding error
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Post by swamp on May 10, 2021 9:10:32 GMT -5
They don't know Pfizer is mRNA? Now that I think of it, brother wants only J&J. Not sure why DS is open to Pfizer but I’m not arguing with him on that! Which happens to be the least effective
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 10, 2021 9:17:44 GMT -5
My dad is getting the J & J.
Considering shots are the one thing he's terrified and he does spout off some of the conspiracy crap if it be one and done motivates him to get it I'm good with that.
The rest of us have had the Pzier vaccine. I don't know anyone whose gotten Moderna. Itd be interesting to know about distribution.
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Post by chiver78 on May 10, 2021 9:24:24 GMT -5
I'd love to know more about distribution as well. MA mass vax sites have been split as to which ones had M vs P, and it seems like the majority of the larger vax sites (drive-thru at fairgrounds, etc) have had P. I haven't heard about any sites in southeastern MA that have had M, which was the flavor I was looking for. that's how I ended up spitting distance from NH for shot #1.
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