NomoreDramaQ1015
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 3, 2021 19:16:59 GMT -5
Poo Gwen turns 11 this year. Though this gives me hope maybe by the end of the year. Abby is very gung ho she is counting the days waiting till 6 year olds are approved. I wish more adults were as excited as her.
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2021 19:56:10 GMT -5
It is easy to establish how another person should be able to get by on "X" amount of money. What I am hearing is that businesses are unable to fill positions when that "X" amount of money is being offered as the rate of pay. Seems that there aren't enough people buying that get by lifestyle. But that’s only because there is an artificial bump in unemployment. If I can make as much not working as I do working, I’m not working. And I don’t think I’m lazier than most. There is zero need for that extra unemployment now. We have opened back up and there are tons of jobs. The US is experiencing a widespread worker shortage. Here’s why.The hardest-to-find workers are no longer computer engineers. They are home health care aides, restaurant workers, and hotel staff. The shift is happening because more and more Americans are going to college and taking professional jobs, while working-class baby boomers are retiring en masse.
This means that — for once — low-skilled workers have the most leverage in the current labor market. From? Mar 18, 2019,
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 3, 2021 20:30:48 GMT -5
But that’s only because there is an artificial bump in unemployment. If I can make as much not working as I do working, I’m not working. And I don’t think I’m lazier than most. There is zero need for that extra unemployment now. We have opened back up and there are tons of jobs. The US is experiencing a widespread worker shortage. Here’s why.The hardest-to-find workers are no longer computer engineers. They are home health care aides, restaurant workers, and hotel staff. The shift is happening because more and more Americans are going to college and taking professional jobs, while working-class baby boomers are retiring en masse.
This means that — for once — low-skilled workers have the most leverage in the current labor market. From? Mar 18, 2019, Then there is zero reason for the inflated unemployment. Once we stop paying people to sit home, the market will correct. If that means increased wages then so be it. But my area was not like this prior to the government handing out money so I do not believe that suddenly everyone became white collar and now we don’t have workers.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 3, 2021 20:41:40 GMT -5
I suspect there are childcare issues in some areas. I think my county is back to 5 day in person school for all levels but many are not. None of my coworkers in the surrounding counties have their kids back in school full time. They go 2 days a week and there is no before/after care. Summer camps are also unknown in those counties.
Those low wage jobs also tend to have no flexibility. If you don't make that much to begin with in a job with no flexibility I can see it being an issue with childcare. I'm also seeing in some areas people have started their own business versus going back to the position they were laid off from. Those people aren't collecting unemployment but it's still more low to mid wage service jobs that are unfilled.
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Post by thyme4change on May 3, 2021 21:21:09 GMT -5
Maybe we need to loosen immigration a little. We need workers.
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2021 21:49:15 GMT -5
The US is experiencing a widespread worker shortage. Here’s why.The hardest-to-find workers are no longer computer engineers. They are home health care aides, restaurant workers, and hotel staff. The shift is happening because more and more Americans are going to college and taking professional jobs, while working-class baby boomers are retiring en masse.
This means that — for once — low-skilled workers have the most leverage in the current labor market. From? Mar 18, 2019, Then there is zero reason for the inflated unemployment. Once we stop paying people to sit home, the market will correct. If that means increased wages then so be it. But my area was not like this prior to the government handing out money so I do not believe that suddenly everyone became white collar and now we don’t have workers. I will note in all future posts that I am referring to everywhere in the country except your area.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 3, 2021 21:55:08 GMT -5
Then there is zero reason for the inflated unemployment. Once we stop paying people to sit home, the market will correct. If that means increased wages then so be it. But my area was not like this prior to the government handing out money so I do not believe that suddenly everyone became white collar and now we don’t have workers. I will note in all future posts that I am referring to everywhere in the country except your area. My area too. Lots of factories here. Not restaurants and hotels.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 3, 2021 21:57:48 GMT -5
Maybe we need to loosen immigration a little. We need workers. How about we try getting unemployment down before we open the gates. Unemployment is almost 10% in my county and it will likely stay that way until we stop paying people more to sit home
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2021 22:13:23 GMT -5
I will note in all future posts that I am referring to everywhere in the country except your area. My area too. Lots of factories here. Not restaurants and hotels. So there were plenty of applicants to select from for openings prior to the pandemic?
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Post by thyme4change on May 3, 2021 23:55:26 GMT -5
Can anyone remind me what the extra benefit was? I thought there were limits, and I don't remember how long the extension was for. And when they did extend it, was it 600 or 300 per week? And was there a scale on that, or did everyone get the full amount? Is the extra per worker or per household?
In AZ the max amount you can get per week is like $200 or something. So an "extra" $300 for some max number of weeks isn't keeping a lot of people rolling around in their cash instead of working. I am sure AZ is on the low end for state benefits. We are near the low end for just about everything.
And does anyone know how it worked in those "model" countries? I thought they did like 80% of a person's income for unemployment - which is enough, maybe, to keep the basics, but not enough to refuse work.
We are a clunky nation. Our solutions are often so sliced up and patched together they make no sense. The extra unemployment was probably one of those things.
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Post by movingforward on May 4, 2021 6:29:25 GMT -5
Can anyone remind me what the extra benefit was? I thought there were limits, and I don't remember how long the extension was for. And when they did extend it, was it 600 or 300 per week? And was there a scale on that, or did everyone get the full amount? Is the extra per worker or per household? In AZ the max amount you can get per week is like $200 or something. So an "extra" $300 for some max number of weeks isn't keeping a lot of people rolling around in their cash instead of working. I am sure AZ is on the low end for state benefits. We are near the low end for just about everything. And does anyone know how it worked in those "model" countries? I thought they did like 80% of a person's income for unemployment - which is enough, maybe, to keep the basics, but not enough to refuse work. We are a clunky nation. Our solutions are often so sliced up and patched together they make no sense. The extra unemployment was probably one of those things. Max of $200 per week doesn't sound right to me...the max in Texas is over $500 a week. If you add $300 on top of that it's not terrible money. ETA: Wow! Just looked it up and, yes, the max in AZ is $240 a week. That's low...definitely not worth staying on unemployment for...
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Post by notagain on May 4, 2021 6:32:08 GMT -5
The max in Florida is $275
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2021 7:13:17 GMT -5
Facts are so inconvenient
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 4, 2021 7:20:49 GMT -5
$275 a week in Nebraska and you have to pay taxes. In my case two states worth so the extra $300 would at least keep the lights on.
IDK if that's why people aren't taking jobs or not. I'm sure it's a combination of factors. I am just protesting the idea that suddenly in 2021 a job with full benefits, 40 hours, retirement and $19/hr is a shit job with shit wages that no one in their right mind should have been taking to begin with because that can't even put food on the table. Maybe that is the case elsewhere but it isn't here, especially if you are a two income household in that range.
Likely here a huge chunk of it is child care. Iowa is full time in school and Kids & Co is opened in my district. They are still for now pay for what you use so if we only need one day a week we can do that rather than having to pay for days when DH is home.
Omaha is all over the map depending on the district and they do not offer in school daycare options. If you pulled your kid out during the pandemic it's impossible right now to get them back in. Unless you can figure out how to swing shifts between you and your partner someone is stuck staying home with the kids. Majority of companies do not have on site daycare either and those of us working on site tend to not have jobs that are safe for kids to be running around. In a pinch I can have them in my office area but it's not a long term solution.
Elderly care is likely a problem too. If my dad hadn't already "retired" from his full time job he would have had to quit to care for the two stubborn ass old people in our lives. Understandably my dad has not wanted to move my grandmother to any type of assisted living facility at this time, if you have read the news Iowa has done an incredibly piss poor job handling COVID in assisted living. She's living with her equally elderly brother right now as a temporary solution. I'm sure my dad isn't the only one in that boat.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 4, 2021 7:24:12 GMT -5
Minnesota is 66% of wages up to $740. The extra $300 means all sub-$20/hour people are making more on unemployment.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 4, 2021 7:28:03 GMT -5
My area too. Lots of factories here. Not restaurants and hotels. So there were plenty of applicants to select from for openings prior to the pandemic? Nope. It's always been bad, but unemployment was at 2.5% pre-covid. All the decent workers had jobs already.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 4, 2021 7:43:38 GMT -5
Around her elderly care facilities pay $7.25 per hour to start. You could not get me to do what they have to do for that amount of money.
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2021 7:50:57 GMT -5
So there were plenty of applicants to select from for openings prior to the pandemic? Nope. It's always been bad, but unemployment was at 2.5% pre-covid. All the decent workers had jobs already. So a lot of the factories laid off workers who aren't returning to work now that the factories are reopening?
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 4, 2021 8:06:25 GMT -5
Nope. It's always been bad, but unemployment was at 2.5% pre-covid. All the decent workers had jobs already. So a lot of the factories laid off workers who aren't returning to work now that the factories are reopening? It's not really factories. Only 3 that I know of of the at least a dozen factories in this area laid off people. Automotive electronics (no plans to call back), spirit wear and a button factory. Mostly it was bars and restaurants and hotel employees. A doggie daycare and pretty much all the businesses in our little mall closed down, the catering company for the private schools laid off nearly all it's employees last March and they haven't been called back.
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Post by movingforward on May 4, 2021 8:16:27 GMT -5
Around her elderly care facilities pay $7.25 per hour to start. You could not get me to do what they have to do for that amount of money. I'm not sure I could do what they do for any amount of money.
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2021 8:35:23 GMT -5
So a lot of the factories laid off workers who aren't returning to work now that the factories are reopening? It's not really factories. Only 3 that I know of of the at least a dozen factories in this area laid off people. Automotive electronics (no plans to call back), spirit wear and a button factory. Mostly it was bars and restaurants and hotel employees. A doggie daycare and pretty much all the businesses in our little mall closed down, the catering company for the private schools laid off nearly all it's employees last March and they haven't been called back. So that is the worker pool not filling your 75 openings.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 4, 2021 8:36:30 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2021 9:02:01 GMT -5
Great article looking at this long term systemic problem.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 4, 2021 9:02:15 GMT -5
It's not really factories. Only 3 that I know of of the at least a dozen factories in this area laid off people. Automotive electronics (no plans to call back), spirit wear and a button factory. Mostly it was bars and restaurants and hotel employees. A doggie daycare and pretty much all the businesses in our little mall closed down, the catering company for the private schools laid off nearly all it's employees last March and they haven't been called back. So that is the worker pool not filling your 75 openings. It's 105 now. I hadn't checked for a couple weeks.
But, to be fair, we appear to be worse off than most. There are 9 other plants in the US and our division has 105 of the 229 openings.
No worries. We'll just keep working the people we have to the bone. We build medical devices and missile guidant systems. Think of that the next time you need a pacemaker. MPL is pretty much the QA department. (and I'm like completely disgruntled and don't care much about my job anymore)
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2021 9:12:45 GMT -5
So that is the worker pool not filling your 75 openings. It's 105 now. I hadn't checked for a couple weeks.
But, to be fair, we appear to be worse off than most. There are 9 other plants in the US and our division has 105 of the 229 openings.
No worries. We'll just keep working the people we have to the bone. We build medical devices and missile guidant systems. Think of that the next time you need a pacemaker. MPL is pretty much the QA department. except in my case it isn't pace but flow issues. But glad you are there and willing to do the work you do. Certainly helping save lives.
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Post by bobosensei on May 4, 2021 9:14:20 GMT -5
Max unemployment in GA is 365 a week. It puts you like 5 dollars over being able to qualify for food stamps if you are single. There is also no health insurance assistance for unemployed here. In the pandemic I couldn’t go without since I had assets to lose if I was hospitalized and couldn’t pay.
I think people are forgetting that folks don’t qualify for the extra benefits unless they lost their job due to COVID. The workers were put in this position by their former employers. I don’t feel sorry one bit for businesses that have historically treated their workers poorly paying for it now by not being able to find workers.
And as far as I know they reinstated proof of job searches so workers aren’t going to be able to not search for suitable work.
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2021 9:18:50 GMT -5
So that is the worker pool not filling your 75 openings. It's 105 now. I hadn't checked for a couple weeks.
But, to be fair, we appear to be worse off than most. There are 9 other plants in the US and our division has 105 of the 229 openings.
No worries. We'll just keep working the people we have to the bone. We build medical devices and missile guidant systems. Think of that the next time you need a pacemaker. MPL is pretty much the QA department. ( and I'm like completely disgruntled and don't care much about my job anymore) Saw your edit after I posted my previous. Which is why we need to compensate you better so you and those in similar jobs are less likely to get to that point.
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Post by anciana on May 4, 2021 9:18:51 GMT -5
Poo Gwen turns 11 this year. Though this gives me hope maybe by the end of the year. Abby is very gung ho she is counting the days waiting till 6 year olds are approved. I wish more adults were as excited as her. I keep hearing that the younger kids will have to wait till 2022 but I am hopeful it will be sooner, like later this fall. I would very much like all the kids to be vaccinated before the school starts in the fall or soon after, preferably before winter but understand it's more likely it might be later.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 4, 2021 9:25:14 GMT -5
I'm ok that Carrot won't make the 12 year old cut. Besides his extreme needle phobia I'm not quite ready to make that call yet.
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2021 9:29:47 GMT -5
I'm ok that Carrot won't make the 12 year old cut. Besides his extreme needle phobia I'm not quite ready to make that call yet. Perfect example of why those who have no legitimate reason to not be vaccinated need to join the herd and get one.
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