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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Apr 29, 2021 18:36:37 GMT -5
How about this incentive?
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Post by Opti on Apr 29, 2021 18:41:01 GMT -5
How about this incentive? Interesting. I wonder what the target population thinks about it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 29, 2021 18:44:17 GMT -5
They need to determine if vaccinated can be asymptomatic carriers and infect susceptible individuals first. From my understanding, the data is being collected and it is looking promising. I wish that they'd finish up too, but understand why they're holding off on releasing a yay or nay on this. This metric is a lot more time consuming, which is why it was not included in the original metrics of the clinical trials. At the time, it was more important to determine whether or not the vaccine prevented severe disease, hospitalization and death. [br Oh,I thought they had pretty much determined that it is not transmitted from vaccinated people. Also, if everyone at a function is vaccinated then I see no issues as the CDC has said vaccinated people can get together and not distance or wear a mask. Honestly, telling people to get vaccinated but nothing is going to change for you is not encouraging vaccination. It needs to be done in stages. The recent updated recommendations are a step in that direction. Hopefully, if infections stay down, and we become more confident that infections are not being spread, and we get continued proof that the vaccinations are really this good, life will return to normal. We are just in a strange place for a few more weeks
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 29, 2021 18:56:55 GMT -5
Mayor of NYC announced city will be fully opened July 1 , but then read theatres by September!! Very exciting!
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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 29, 2021 19:03:27 GMT -5
How about this incentive? My brother qualifies. He just got his second dose last week. I don't know if it will nudge people who weren't interested.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 19:32:19 GMT -5
Dh and I chatted curbside briefly with our neighbor tonight about missed trash collection. Just a few weeks ago he was whining that his doctor hadn't called him to schedule a vaccine. Tonight he said "I'm one of them, I'm not getting one". He also said he has a visit with his cardiologist in a couple of weeks (major heart issues, A-Fib, multiple stents) and would ask the doc what he thought. He's a heavy smoker and coughed non-stop during our conversation. Early 60's. I'm not sure what's going on with him. Whatever it is, I can't fix it.
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Post by lurkyloo on Apr 29, 2021 21:45:30 GMT -5
Our county is also tying reopening to vaccination percentages. I think it makes a lot of sense. The CDC is now estimating that a third of the US population has already had covid, which is kind of mind blowing. Might mean that we could actually achieve herd immunity even with vaccine hesitancy. I have to think that places like North Dakota came close to achieving herd immunity naturally Employers can’t require covid vaccination yet bc it’s still under emergency use authorization but I think a lot of them (and schools too ) will once the FDA grants full authorization. The Chinese and Russian vaccines are pretty sketchy. The Chinese one isn’t nearly as effective as the Western ones, and the Russian one apparently didn’t adequately deactivate the adenovirus it’s based on
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Post by movingforward on Apr 30, 2021 6:32:46 GMT -5
Yep, between all the people that have already had it and the vaccinations I feel like we will get to herd immunity. I'm kind of at the point to where i think we need to stop talking about herd immunity so much. I'm mainly just wanting everyone who wants to get vaccinated to get it. I'm done with thoe that are refusing vaccination. If they want to build immunity the old fashioned way then that's their problem. Plus, I think it makes them just dig their heels in more by them being told to do it.
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Post by Opti on Apr 30, 2021 6:40:18 GMT -5
Dh and I chatted curbside briefly with our neighbor tonight about missed trash collection. Just a few weeks ago he was whining that his doctor hadn't called him to schedule a vaccine. Tonight he said "I'm one of them, I'm not getting one". He also said he has a visit with his cardiologist in a couple of weeks (major heart issues, A-Fib, multiple stents) and would ask the doc what he thought. He's a heavy smoker and coughed non-stop during our conversation. Early 60's. I'm not sure what's going on with him. Whatever it is, I can't fix it. In his case, probably not worth worrying about. If he gets it, he might die of a Covid induced heart attack.
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Post by Opti on Apr 30, 2021 6:56:31 GMT -5
Our county is also tying reopening to vaccination percentages. I think it makes a lot of sense. The CDC is now estimating that a third of the US population has already had covid, which is kind of mind blowing. Might mean that we could actually achieve herd immunity even with vaccine hesitancy. I have to think that places like North Dakota came close to achieving herd immunity naturally Employers can’t require covid vaccination yet bc it’s still under emergency use authorization but I think a lot of them (and schools too ) will once the FDA grants full authorization. The Chinese and Russian vaccines are pretty sketchy. The Chinese one isn’t nearly as effective as the Western ones, and the Russian one apparently didn’t adequately deactivate the adenovirus it’s based on I saw those estimates as well. I'm not sure I believe them. An article yesterday was discussing a surge in Washington state, and their daily numbers are still lower than NJ. Yet we are opening up more as are most places. I was hoping the overall numbers of the US would continue to tick down, but I have a feeling we are going to get back to the 60Ks soon, given yesterdays total.
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Post by Ryan on Apr 30, 2021 9:18:09 GMT -5
I think probably 90% of my dept does not want to return to the office. Sure, they miss people but that doesn't outweigh the dread of having to deal with everything else that goes along with to a return. There are definitely benefits to being in the office, I have only been in there one day since the pandemic started and saw some of the upsides again. If i'm in the office, I do talk to my co-workers about lingering issues quite a bit more. The problem is that it's also sort of one of the downsides, people just get up and talk to you about something trivial and then you end up spending 10 minutes talking about something else. That's why I'm hoping for 1-2 days a week in the office at a max.
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Post by anciana on Apr 30, 2021 9:35:18 GMT -5
Our county is also tying reopening to vaccination percentages. I think it makes a lot of sense. The CDC is now estimating that a third of the US population has already had covid, which is kind of mind blowing. Might mean that we could actually achieve herd immunity even with vaccine hesitancy. I have to think that places like North Dakota came close to achieving herd immunity naturally Employers can’t require covid vaccination yet bc it’s still under emergency use authorization but I think a lot of them (and schools too ) will once the FDA grants full authorization. The Chinese and Russian vaccines are pretty sketchy. The Chinese one isn’t nearly as effective as the Western ones, and the Russian one apparently didn’t adequately deactivate the adenovirus it’s based on There is some overlap between the people who had already had covid and those who are vaccinated. I keep trying to find the numbers but haven't found any just yet. So, we can't just add the numbers and say we have two thirds already protected through either natural immunity or vaccination. I'd rather see as many people as possible vaccinate in order to achieve protection for many or most. I've anecdotally heard of some employers requiring vaccination for the employees to return to the office. Yes, they can choose not to vaccinate but some of them might not be able to keep their jobs if the employer doesn't allow working from home. Some colleges are planning on requiring vaccination as well. There are exemptions for people who are willing to fill out forms. It's a bit of a wild west out there right now as everyone is trying to figure out what to do.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 30, 2021 9:38:45 GMT -5
My organization is small. We have all been vaccinated and are back in the office 2-3 days a week. This is perfect for me. It gives the opportunity for better communication, flushing out some lingering things (like Ryan said), lunches together, etc. I enjoy going to the office 2-3 days and having the other days at home. It is a nice "blend" for me. I feel healthier both mentally and physically that way. On the days I work from home I don't have to rush, can make healthier meals, go for a walk during my lunch break, etc. While in the office I tend to follow-up better with my team and I enjoy seeing people a few days a week.
March is our busiest month and I had to work 12 days straight in the office 10-14 hour days. I felt so terrible by the time it was over with. I couldn't figure out if I had just gotten lazy due to covid or if I am just getting too old for that kind of thing - probably some of both...I actually have been thinking about starting a thread because I felt so tired and unhealthy after it was over with (more so than any previous years). It took me several days to feel "human" again. It didn't used to be like that...I had so many thoughts about feeling inadequate since other people seem to do it without issue. Maybe I will start that thread...
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Post by Ryan on Apr 30, 2021 9:48:52 GMT -5
I never really thought of the church that we went to as being all that political, but the pandemic really brought it out. Early on when they opened up, masks were highly encouraged but optional. After I heard that probably 75% of the congregation were maskless, I really started scratching my head (our state has a mask mandate). After the surge in the fall, they made masks mandatory. Then as things improved in the Spring, they stopped pushing the message...the only way you'd know is if you read the website.
We went a total of 3 times. The first time was around Christmas where they had everyone spaced out. The second time around Spring when there were no spacing requirements, but everyone still wearing masks except 1 person. Next time we went, I noticed there were probably 15 people not wearing a mask. Next time was about 30 people not wearing one and we decided to take a break there. Turns out that there are 5 people now that we know of that are positive with COVID, probably more.
There is some equal blame to go around. Church Leadership could've enforced it from the beginning. From the congregation side, it annoyed me more that these idiots would choose church as their place to act in defiance. Would they do it in a grocery store? Probably not, because they are cowards and would be afraid of getting thrown out. They probably knew nothing would happen and decided to take a stand.
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Post by resolution on Apr 30, 2021 10:20:23 GMT -5
Michigan’s Governor announced an easing of restrictions today, based on the percent of residents vaccinated. I like the carrot/stick approach. Her plan provides some targets and seems reasonable. Were at 48.8% now, once we reach 55% we can return to the office, then as we progress through stages, bars will be open longer, less restrictions on indoor sporting events, etc. The final prize is at 70% vaccinated, all restrictions will be lifted. Will it work? I have no idea, but it’s a start. I figured if they really wanted vaccine acceptance, the state should buy the first round when we reach 70% 🙂 You say that as if returning to the office is a desire for workers. About half of my coworkers are just dying to get back into the office. They are extroverts and miss talking to each other.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 30, 2021 11:40:44 GMT -5
You say that as if returning to the office is a desire for workers. About half of my coworkers are just dying to get back into the office. They are extroverts and miss talking to each other. My son was adamant that he would not return to in person school. My daughter and a bunch of his friends went back a few weeks ago, and I casually said "Now that you are vaccinated, do you want to go back?" And he grunted "sure". He saw that those that did go back have a little energy in their life that he has been lacking. He told his friends I am making him go back. I suspect most people would find at least some benefits to going back. But most will deny it.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 30, 2021 11:49:31 GMT -5
My company announced last week that everyone will be coming back the second week in June, no exceptions. There are hundreds that have been out in our facility alone and we've been doing record business the past year, so I was really surprised by this hardcore response when there's been all this talk recently on the news about how companies are embracing this new normal, especially with how well we've been doing. Since I'm kind of frontline in the engineering department I've been mostly back since last June already, but my ideal world would allow the option to work from home. It sure was nice last Winter when we'd get a nasty storm to not have to worry about how I was going to make the trip to town and leave the 10 year old home alone.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Apr 30, 2021 12:13:15 GMT -5
All vacced up with my 2nd Moderna dose today! 😊
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Post by teen persuasion on Apr 30, 2021 12:17:19 GMT -5
Yay, my 2 youngest boys are vaccinated - just got their seconds shots! DS5 is currently in school 2 days a week, but learned a few of his buddies are doing 4 days a week (an option if you need it academically). He'd kind of like to go to 4 days, ...so he and buddies can spend more time in the fitness room (which they just learned they have access to, if they sign up for Track-done). I don't think so, bud - there's been a spate of positive cases in the ES and MS since they both went 4 days after Spring break. We are definitely shifting to loosening restrictions. At work we are dropping quarantining items from 3 days to 1 day, dropping the temp taking. We've already gradually dropped the time limits on computer use - people stay for hours. We've been back to full hours since the fall, but other libraries in the system were informed they must go back to at least minimum hours to meet state compliance. Some were frantic - they can't staff enough hours (no idea why, budget, or lost staff ). I see the HS Prom is a go for June this year. I'm beginning to see more people maskless in stores, now. Grocery store at 9 am, one young guy w/o mask (but his buddy had a gaiter on, at least). Drug store at 10 am (busy for vaccinations), everyone had a mask. Guess it depends on the crowd.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 30, 2021 12:41:41 GMT -5
All vacced up with my 2nd Moderna dose today! 😊 Got my second Moderna about 24 hours ago. Arm was sore this morning. Not feeling great but our weather turned to crap which does impact me so not sure cause.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 30, 2021 12:45:33 GMT -5
I get my second tomorrow. My GF got hers in February, and is already talking about getting a booster this summer so she can travel more safely.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 30, 2021 14:58:48 GMT -5
Yay, my 2 youngest boys are vaccinated - just got their seconds shots! DS5 is currently in school 2 days a week, but learned a few of his buddies are doing 4 days a week (an option if you need it academically). He'd kind of like to go to 4 days, ...so he and buddies can spend more time in the fitness room (which they just learned they have access to, if they sign up for Track-done). I don't think so, bud - there's been a spate of positive cases in the ES and MS since they both went 4 days after Spring break. We are definitely shifting to loosening restrictions. At work we are dropping quarantining items from 3 days to 1 day, dropping the temp taking. We've already gradually dropped the time limits on computer use - people stay for hours. We've been back to full hours since the fall, but other libraries in the system were informed they must go back to at least minimum hours to meet state compliance. Some were frantic - they can't staff enough hours (no idea why, budget, or lost staff ). I see the HS Prom is a go for June this year. I'm beginning to see more people maskless in stores, now. Grocery store at 9 am, one young guy w/o mask (but his buddy had a gaiter on, at least). Drug store at 10 am (busy for vaccinations), everyone had a mask. Guess it depends on the crowd. In regards to staffing, I have been hearing first hand from a lot of people who say they can't find people to work as things are opening back up. People are making more money with the extra unemployment.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 30, 2021 15:03:29 GMT -5
Yay, my 2 youngest boys are vaccinated - just got their seconds shots! DS5 is currently in school 2 days a week, but learned a few of his buddies are doing 4 days a week (an option if you need it academically). He'd kind of like to go to 4 days, ...so he and buddies can spend more time in the fitness room (which they just learned they have access to, if they sign up for Track-done). I don't think so, bud - there's been a spate of positive cases in the ES and MS since they both went 4 days after Spring break. We are definitely shifting to loosening restrictions. At work we are dropping quarantining items from 3 days to 1 day, dropping the temp taking. We've already gradually dropped the time limits on computer use - people stay for hours. We've been back to full hours since the fall, but other libraries in the system were informed they must go back to at least minimum hours to meet state compliance. Some were frantic - they can't staff enough hours (no idea why, budget, or lost staff ). I see the HS Prom is a go for June this year. I'm beginning to see more people maskless in stores, now. Grocery store at 9 am, one young guy w/o mask (but his buddy had a gaiter on, at least). Drug store at 10 am (busy for vaccinations), everyone had a mask. Guess it depends on the crowd. In regards to staffing, I have been hearing first hand from a lot of people who say they can't find people to work as things are opening back up. People are making more money with the extra unemployment. I wonder if this is the reason why our vet’s office hasn’t been able to find kenneling staff? I know we were not the only people looking as the receptionist had a list of other suppliers at her fingertips, of kennels other clients used.
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Post by swamp on Apr 30, 2021 15:05:21 GMT -5
About half of my coworkers are just dying to get back into the office. They are extroverts and miss talking to each other. My son was adamant that he would not return to in person school. My daughter and a bunch of his friends went back a few weeks ago, and I casually said "Now that you are vaccinated, do you want to go back?" And he grunted "sure". He saw that those that did go back have a little energy in their life that he has been lacking. He told his friends I am making him go back. I suspect most people would find at least some benefits to going back. But most will deny it. My daughter was also adamant she did not want to go back abs I was making her. Yesterday she admitted she was ably to pay attention more and her her work done in school. Online it’s easy not to submit your work. When you’re in school it’s hard to look the teacher in the eye and tell them your homework isn’t done.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 30, 2021 16:09:25 GMT -5
In regards to staffing, I have been hearing first hand from a lot of people who say they can't find people to work as things are opening back up. People are making more money with the extra unemployment. I wonder if this is the reason why our vet’s office hasn’t been able to find kenneling staff? I know we were not the only people looking as the receptionist had a list of other suppliers at her fingertips, of kennels other clients used. Funny you mentioned kenneling staff because a person who works in my office has a 21 year old son who was working as kennel staff and he does not want to go back to work because he is making more on unemployment. My board consists of mainly doctors and they are having a hard time finding techs and office support staff. My best friend works in the travel industry and said they are having a heck of a time finding people to fill the lower level positions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 17:12:22 GMT -5
I'm going to delay our senior kitty's annual wellness visit and vaccines until our vet hospital allows clients to enter with their pets. They say that will be when all staff who wish to be vaccinated are, and I have a little bit (more than a little bit) of an issue with that caveat.
Our cat was totally traumatized by his last visit without his human family, and they were unable to actually examine him so I paid a crap ton for a diagnosis based on my verbal description of observed symptoms. Fortunately, the diagnosis was accurate and he recovered. Why would I take him in for a physical exam they can't actually accomplish without us present? No blood draw, no metabolic panel, no vaccines administered-ain't paying hundreds for that! He's totally indoor so other than being 17 years of age, he's not at risk of anything.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 30, 2021 17:31:11 GMT -5
I get my second tomorrow. My GF got hers in February, and is already talking about getting a booster this summer so she can travel more safely. Are booster shots available? If so, where did you learn about this as I have not heard this.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 30, 2021 17:36:44 GMT -5
I get my second tomorrow. My GF got hers in February, and is already talking about getting a booster this summer so she can travel more safely. Are booster shots available? If so, where did you learn about this as I have not heard this. No, boosters are not yet available, recommended, or required. It is being discussed, and the vaccine manufacturers are working on vaccines against variants s. Like everything with the virus, we are in a learning phase
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 30, 2021 17:38:00 GMT -5
I'm going to delay our senior kitty's annual wellness visit and vaccines until our vet hospital allows clients to enter with their pets. They say that will be when all staff who wish to be vaccinated are, and I have a little bit (more than a little bit) of an issue with that caveat. Our cat was totally traumatized by his last visit without his human family, and they were unable to actually examine him so I paid a crap ton for a diagnosis based on my verbal description of observed symptoms. Fortunately, the diagnosis was accurate and he recovered. Why would I take him in for a physical exam they can't actually accomplish without us present? No blood draw, no metabolic panel, no vaccines administered-ain't paying hundreds for that! He's totally indoor so other than being 17 years of age, he's not at risk of anything. This is going to be an issue for us. Both animals had appointments Dec 2019 when we boarded them before we left for South America. Both are due for vaccinations when we need to board them. I have no idea how the vet is handling vet appointments now.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 30, 2021 17:40:07 GMT -5
Are booster shots available? If so, where did you learn about this as I have not heard this. No, boosters are not yet available, recommended, or required. It is being discussed, and the vaccine manufacturers are working on vaccines against variants s. Like everything with the virus, we are in a learning phase Thank you. I've been trying to pay attention and had not heard about a booster.
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