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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 25, 2021 14:16:40 GMT -5
So what am I missing here? pulmonarymd? lurkyloo? I read an article yesterday that said that MN had 89 cases of covid in fully vaccinated subjects and they were going to investigate this. I went to do some digging, and found that MN had 896,000 fully vaccinated people in the state. With a vaccine that is 95% effective, there would be an expected 45,000 cases. This is much lower than expected. So why the concern over 89 cases?
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Post by anciana on Mar 25, 2021 14:46:41 GMT -5
Yes. very encouraging! sourcePfizer has begun testing its Covid-19 vaccine in children under 12 … Moderna also is beginning a trial of its vaccine in children six months to 12 years of age. Both companies have been testing their vaccines in children 12 and older, and expect those results in the next few weeks.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 25, 2021 19:12:39 GMT -5
So what am I missing here? pulmonarymd? lurkyloo? I read an article yesterday that said that MN had 89 cases of covid in fully vaccinated subjects and they were going to investigate this. I went to do some digging, and found that MN had 896,000 fully vaccinated people in the state. With a vaccine that is 95% effective, there would be an expected 45,000 cases. This is much lower than expected. So why the concern over 89 cases? I think 2 things are happening. I suspect the group being vaccinated still were careful, so they were less likely to come down with it. I also suspect the vaccine is more effective than we think
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Post by lurkyloo on Mar 25, 2021 19:20:32 GMT -5
So what am I missing here? pulmonarymd ? lurkyloo ? I read an article yesterday that said that MN had 89 cases of covid in fully vaccinated subjects and they were going to investigate this. I went to do some digging, and found that MN had 896,000 fully vaccinated people in the state. With a vaccine that is 95% effective, there would be an expected 45,000 cases. This is much lower than expected. So why the concern over 89 cases? Shock value Also, is there a time component? It takes time for immunity to kick in, but also for people to be exposed. I think you’d expect 45,000 cases if this was a challenge trial where they actively tried to infect the vaccinated. Actual case rate among the vaccinated should be around 5% of what you see for the rest of the state, in a crude sense unless you plan to match the controls for risk level.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 19:21:47 GMT -5
So what am I missing here? pulmonarymd ? lurkyloo ? I read an article yesterday that said that MN had 89 cases of covid in fully vaccinated subjects and they were going to investigate this. I went to do some digging, and found that MN had 896,000 fully vaccinated people in the state. With a vaccine that is 95% effective, there would be an expected 45,000 cases. This is much lower than expected. So why the concern over 89 cases? Pulmonarymd gave you a much better answer that I could about why the number of cases was lower than expected. Why the concern? Well, there's a segment of the population that will freak out if you find 89 people who died in fatal car crashes after getting vaccinated. They'll be certain the vaccine caused it. One set of numbers I saw from Germany (a week or so ago, so out of date now) found 30 cases of blood clots in the Astra Zeneca vaccine out of something like 5 million doses. That was enough to stop administration of that vaccine till they did more work. I believe they're back to giving it but with informed consent. People will latch onto a tiny number because they don't understand statistical significance.
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Post by lurkyloo on Mar 25, 2021 19:21:52 GMT -5
Got my first shot of Moderna. Fair warning, my arm was hella sore for a day or so. DS tried to kiss it better and I yelped kind of sore
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Post by saveinla on Mar 25, 2021 19:46:29 GMT -5
Got my first shot of Moderna. Fair warning, my arm was hella sore for a day or so. DS tried to kiss it better and I yelped kind of sore [img class="smile" alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png"] Thanks for the warning - it seems ok now, but I will keep an eye out.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Mar 25, 2021 20:13:04 GMT -5
My state is opening the floodgates next Tuesday. Anyone 16 or older.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 25, 2021 20:19:18 GMT -5
My state is opening the floodgates next Tuesday. Anyone 16 or older. Same here supposedly on the 5th. Likely still won't be able to get an appointment. Iowa does not have a central registration page so you have look through each and every individual pharmacy website. While you are doing that all the appointments on the page you haven't gotten to yet have been taken.🤬
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Post by countrygirl2 on Mar 25, 2021 20:27:38 GMT -5
After April 6th our state is stopping the mask requirement, I think that is way premature. Some businesses are going to continue to require it.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 25, 2021 20:28:58 GMT -5
Got my first shot of Moderna. Fair warning, my arm was hella sore for a day or so. DS tried to kiss it better and I yelped kind of sore Same! I got the Pfizer one, but it messed me up. I'm taking a couple of days off for my second one just in case.
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Post by teen persuasion on Mar 25, 2021 20:59:18 GMT -5
Got my first shot of Moderna. My arm is a bit sore, not bad at all right now. It was 4 hours before I even noticed it had gotten sore, and has abated some already. The Fire department running the clinic had plenty of manpower, and everything moved smoothly. Biggest problem was that they needed a sign on the corner to direct you to the entrance on the side street instead of trying to go in the DO NOT ENTER drive for the fire truck bays. The ENTER HERE sign was only visible after you turned down the side street. Everyone had colored vests on depending on roles, and lots of tape X's on the floor for your next checkpoint. Someone came around with a tablet to schedule your second shot during your 15 minute wait, preregistering you thru the state website. Very efficient, no waitlines at all.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 25, 2021 21:45:22 GMT -5
So what am I missing here? pulmonarymd ? lurkyloo ? I read an article yesterday that said that MN had 89 cases of covid in fully vaccinated subjects and they were going to investigate this. I went to do some digging, and found that MN had 896,000 fully vaccinated people in the state. With a vaccine that is 95% effective, there would be an expected 45,000 cases. This is much lower than expected. So why the concern over 89 cases? I think 2 things are happening. I suspect the group being vaccinated still were careful, so they were less likely to come down with it. I also suspect the vaccine is more effective than we thinkThis was the conclusion I came to, but the way the article was written was ‘OMG! We have 89 cases in vaccinated people!!!!’ and no one was paying attention to the math. Unfortunately, there was no way to comment on the supposedly shockingly (low) number of cases in regards to the article. I’m really getting tired of this crap.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 26, 2021 6:32:51 GMT -5
I think 2 things are happening. I suspect the group being vaccinated still were careful, so they were less likely to come down with it. I also suspect the vaccine is more effective than we thinkThis was the conclusion I came to, but the way the article was written was ‘OMG! We have 89 cases in vaccinated people!!!!’ and no one was paying attention to the math. Unfortunately, there was no way to comment on the supposedly shockingly (low) number of cases in regards to the article. I’m really getting tired of this crap. I agree. The inability to put things in context is inexcusable. The biggest question in relation to those cases is: Did anyone get hospitalized or die? If not, the vaccine did its job
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Post by tractor on Mar 26, 2021 7:19:41 GMT -5
For anyone not sure about getting vaccinated, keep this in mind. One of my close co-workers started yesterday as just another day, when he got home he found his wife having trouble breathing. She was rushed to the hospital and died just a couple hours later. She was fine when he left for work.
I don’t know if it was the new, or old strain of COVID, but it’s still out there. She was 41 and leaves behind her husband and three kids.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 26, 2021 7:28:51 GMT -5
My state is opening the floodgates next Tuesday. Anyone 16 or older. Same here supposedly on the 5th. Likely still won't be able to get an appointment. Iowa does not have a central registration page so you have look through each and every individual pharmacy website. While you are doing that all the appointments on the page you haven't gotten to yet have been taken.🤬 If you are looking for Walgreens, the appointments seem to show up between 6 AM and 7 AM. Hy-Vee shows up next.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 26, 2021 7:31:07 GMT -5
Cases and hospitalizations are slowly increasing here. I don't think the governor is concerned but the health care people are concerned.
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Post by lurkyloo on Mar 26, 2021 8:19:01 GMT -5
Fair warning, my arm was hella sore for a day or so. DS tried to kiss it better and I yelped kind of sore [img alt=" " class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png"] Same! I got the Pfizer one, but it messed me up. I'm taking a couple of days off for my second one just in case. I can take the day after shot #2 off, if I need to. At least we know it’s doing something!
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Post by raeoflyte on Mar 26, 2021 9:07:50 GMT -5
For anyone not sure about getting vaccinated, keep this in mind. One of my close co-workers started yesterday as just another day, when he got home he found his wife having trouble breathing. She was rushed to the hospital and died just a couple hours later. She was fine when he left for work. I don’t know if it was the new, or old strain of COVID, but it’s still out there. She was 41 and leaves behind her husband and three kids. That's awful.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Mar 26, 2021 9:39:31 GMT -5
I was looking at the Walgreens site. The search for "COVID-19 vaccination" brought me to a list of merchandise that you can buy to tell people that you have been vaccinated.
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I was looking at the Walgreens site. The search for "COVID-19 vaccination" brought me to a list of merchandise that you can buy to tell people that you have been vaccinated. I'm betting it was all made in China. Seriously- I see no purpose to this. From what I've seen of people posting this on FB, you get a mix of people who are happy for you, people who are frustrated because they (or their elderly parents) can't get an appointment, and the anti-vaxers. I've mentioned mine only in commenting on others' posts and in offering whatever advice I can on getting an appointment (sign up on multiple lists, use vaccinespotter.org). And eventually all that merchandise will end up in landfills.
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Post by steph08 on Mar 26, 2021 10:29:43 GMT -5
I signed DH up yesterday on our local hospital's website despite him waffling on whether or not he would get the vaccine. (He qualifies as an essential employee and having a high-risk condition in the 16-64 age group here in PA).
They called him last night, and his first shot is scheduled for Thursday.
He was mad at me but knows it is the right thing to do.
I don't qualify yet as a healthy 35yo.
tractor - I'm so sorry for your coworker. How terrible.
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I think 2 things are happening. I suspect the group being vaccinated still were careful, so they were less likely to come down with it. I also suspect the vaccine is more effective than we thinkThis was the conclusion I came to, but the way the article was written was ‘OMG! We have 89 cases in vaccinated people!!!!’ and no one was paying attention to the math. Unfortunately, there was no way to comment on the supposedly shockingly (low) number of cases in regards to the article. I’m really getting tired of this crap. Far-Right Extremists Move From ‘Stop the Steal’ to Stop the VaccineAdherents of far-right groups who cluster online have turned repeatedly to one particular website in recent weeks — the federal database showing deaths and adverse reactions nationwide among people who have received Covid-19 vaccinations. Although negative reactions have been relatively rare, the numbers are used by many extremist groups to try to bolster a rash of false and alarmist disinformation in articles and videos with titles like “Covid-19 Vaccines Are Weapons of Mass Destruction — and Could Wipe out the Human Race” or “Doctors and Nurses Giving the Covid-19 Vaccine Will be Tried as War Criminals.” Complete article here: link
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 26, 2021 10:45:08 GMT -5
I was looking at the Walgreens site. The search for "COVID-19 vaccination" brought me to a list of merchandise that you can buy to tell people that you have been vaccinated. I'm betting it was all made in China. Seriously- I see no purpose to this. From what I've seen of people posting this on FB, you get a mix of people who are happy for you, people who are frustrated because they (or their elderly parents) can't get an appointment, and the anti-vaxers. I've mentioned mine only in commenting on others' posts and in offering whatever advice I can on getting an appointment (sign up on multiple lists, use vaccinespotter.org). And eventually all that merchandise will end up in landfills. How about this? Last night, we met up with friends for happy hour. TD and I are the only 2 not yet vaccinated as we are the youngest. We would not have gone otherwise, as this group has kept TD and I in a bubble, until we can be vaccinated....which will be as soon as it opens for us next week and we can get an appointment.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2021 10:57:56 GMT -5
Same! I got the Pfizer one, but it messed me up. I'm taking a couple of days off for my second one just in case. I can take the day after shot #2 off, if I need to. At least we know it’s doing something! My husband and I definitely needed the day after the vaccine off. My daughter and his parents had almost no side effects. You never know who will get more pronounced side effects and who gets nothing I do find it funny that I posted about my side effects and I get attacked in here by one poster. Yet the same poster hasn’t said a word to anyone else posting about their side effects.
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For anyone not sure about getting vaccinated, keep this in mind. One of my close co-workers started yesterday as just another day, when he got home he found his wife having trouble breathing. She was rushed to the hospital and died just a couple hours later. She was fine when he left for work. I don’t know if it was the new, or old strain of COVID, but it’s still out there. She was 41 and leaves behind her husband and three kids. That's awful.
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