Vaccinated

[raeoflyte]

Jan 1, 2022 18:27:45 GMT -5 azucena said:

Dd13 had a positive home test today. We saw my brother on Fri and sat at limited family gatherings. He had negative test on Fri that he took as precaution. His symptoms started mon night, tested Tues, result Thurs. Dd13 started with sore throat weds, fever Thurs, actually felt better yesterday, lousy today. Still mild.

Guess we'll be isolating for a while. Her second shot was in June and her age group isn't eligible for boosters yet. The rest of us have had more recent shots.

Sorry azucena. I hope it's mild and no one else gets it.

[raeoflyte]

Dec 30, 2021 18:19:01 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 30, 2021 18:00:35 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

I REALLY wish they could fix this.  When I took my PCR test before my Alaskan cruise I was paranoid as heck that I might be shedding dead viruses and test positive and would have had to walk away from the cost of the cruise.  It makes me wonder about the positive tests among the mega-ships recently- how many were shedding only dead viruses? 

IIRC, Mich noted that it's very complicated to distinguish between live and dead viruses.

It is the nature of the technology. It is very accurate and sensitive, and you can get an answer quickly, but that is one of its limitations. The only way to know if it is alive is to grow it. That takes time and is not so easy. These tests are always tradeoffs. One reason I think we need to stop testing asymptomatic fully vaccinated individuals

The last part is interesting. My limited understanding is that vaccinated people can still pass it on, so I would think we should be testing if exposed?

But I'd test the kids once or twice a week if I could just because we've caught everything this year and are always scrambling for a test with every sniffle and scratchy throat. I'd almost rather just have the tests part if our schedule, but that would be ridiculously wasteful.


Nvm - as I wake up more I'm thinking of people with symptoms.

I'm torn on travel though. I feel like testing should still be required them regardless of symptoms.

[pulmonarymd]

We are having staffing problems in medicine right now. Keeping asymptotic vaccinated workers out of work is potentially dangerous for the people in the hospital, especially if we cannot know if the virus is alive. Everyone in the hospital is masked. It is a risk/benefit calculation. Asymptomatic vaccinated individuals are mostly a risk to the unvaccinated. Protecting them when they won’t protect themselves seems to be pointless at this point.

When life returns to normal we will need to treat this as if it is no different than any other contagious respiratory infection. We do not test asymptotic people for the flu, for example. Might as well start treating this the same way

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jan 2, 2022 9:57:46 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Dec 30, 2021 18:19:01 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It is the nature of the technology. It is very accurate and sensitive, and you can get an answer quickly, but that is one of its limitations. The only way to know if it is alive is to grow it. That takes time and is not so easy. These tests are always tradeoffs. One reason I think we need to stop testing asymptomatic fully vaccinated individuals

The last part is interesting. My limited understanding is that vaccinated people can still pass it on, so I would think we should be testing if exposed?

But I'd test the kids once or twice a week if I could just because we've caught everything this year and are always scrambling for a test with every sniffle and scratchy throat. I'd almost rather just have the tests part if our schedule, but that would be ridiculously wasteful.


Nvm - as I wake up more I'm thinking of people with symptoms.

I'm torn on travel though. I feel like testing should still be required them regardless of symptoms.

The problem is that you do not know if you are testing dead virus or live virus.  Chances are, you are testing and seeing positive results, it’s from dead virus if you are testing in a vaccinated individual.  

Right now, we really have no feel as to how frequently we encounter a virus and our immune system deals with it.  Testing positive doesn’t necessarily mean that it can be passed on, just that it has been encountered, your immune system has killed it and your body is shedding pieces of virus….just like it does for all waste it encounters.  .  

In a time where flights are being canceled, surgeries are getting put off for yet another 4 months, supplies are not getting delivered to grocery stores, all due to lack of staff, this is now becoming a problem.  Testing  more doesn’t make sense.  

[imamazed]

M DS just tested and he tested NEGATIVE!! He'd been sick since the 27th. He's still not feeling his best, but...

My DDIL is still sick with fatigue mostly and sleeps a lot. She tested anyway and is still positive. DS said he thinks she's about a half a day to a day behind him. 

They'll both do PCR tests again he said. 

I can't imagine what would have happened if they both were not vaccinated as sick as they've been. They'd be hospitalized likely. 

[anciana]

FDA authorizes Covid vaccine boosters for children 12-15

[anciana]

Did anyone see that the FDA also shortened the timing of Pfizer's booster shots from six months to five months after the initial series of shots, based on Israeli research, for everyone over age 12? 

If you had Pfizer and want a booster, you can get it now 5 months after your last shot.

[raeoflyte]

Jan 3, 2022 22:15:51 GMT -5 anciana said:

FDA authorizes Covid vaccine boosters for children 12-15

This is wonderful! Thank you for posting. Ds was 6 months out 1/1. I'll see how quick I can get him in.

Just got a message that bil tested positive today. They came to dd hot chocolate stand on Sunday, but we were outside and they couldn't have been here more than 15 minutes.

[anciana]

Jan 4, 2022 13:26:16 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Jan 3, 2022 22:15:51 GMT -5 anciana said:

FDA authorizes Covid vaccine boosters for children 12-15

This is wonderful! Thank you for posting. Ds was 6 months out 1/1. I'll see how quick I can get him in.

Just got a message that bil tested positive today. They came to dd hot chocolate stand on Sunday, but we were outside and they couldn't have been here more than 15 minutes.

Yes, FDA approved it. I was hoping CDC would be quicker to approve it but they won't even talk about it till tomorrow (I could have gotten my kiddo an appointment this afternoon and cross my fingers that they do it even if the state might be lagging). So, I made an appointment for Thursday instead. 

Hope your DD stays healthy after an encounter with your BIL, and wishing him and his family speedy recovery!

[jerseygirl]

Why are we needing to wait for CDC to ‘approve’? With other drugs just FDA , no need for another approval from CDC

[raeoflyte]

Jan 4, 2022 13:34:48 GMT -5 anciana said:

Jan 4, 2022 13:26:16 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

This is wonderful! Thank you for posting. Ds was 6 months out 1/1. I'll see how quick I can get him in.

Just got a message that bil tested positive today. They came to dd hot chocolate stand on Sunday, but we were outside and they couldn't have been here more than 15 minutes.

Yes, FDA approved it. I was hoping CDC would be quicker to approve it but they won't even talk about it till tomorrow (I could have gotten my kiddo an appointment this afternoon and cross my fingers that they do it even if the state might be lagging). So, I made an appointment for Thursday instead. 

Hope your DD stays healthy after an encounter with your BIL, and wishing him and his family speedy recovery!

I made an appointment for next Tuesday. I had to lie about dob but I figure the systems will catch up by then and I can fill out docs in person correctly.

[Opti]

I guess its time to be concerned as to how long you are on a plane.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/125-plane-passengers-test-positive-for-covid-as-ambulances-swarm-airport/ar-AASvd8i?ocid=msedgntp

More than 100 people who were on a flight to India from Italy have reportedly tested positive for COVID-19.



A total of 125 travelers who arrived in Amritsar, a city in the northern Indian state of Punjab, on a flight from Milan tested positive at the airport, according to local media outlets.



There were 179 passengers on the chartered flight, operated by Portuguese company EuroAtlantic Airways, which landed in Amritsar at around 1:30 p.m. on Wednesday, the Times of India reported.



According to the Times report, 160 adult passengers were tested on arrival at Amritsar. The remaining 19 children and infants on the flight were exempt from screening.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jan 6, 2022 14:01:10 GMT -5 Opti said:

I guess its time to be concerned as to how long you are on a plane.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/125-plane-passengers-test-positive-for-covid-as-ambulances-swarm-airport/ar-AASvd8i?ocid=msedgntp

More than 100 people who were on a flight to India from Italy have reportedly tested positive for COVID-19.



A total of 125 travelers who arrived in Amritsar, a city in the northern Indian state of Punjab, on a flight from Milan tested positive at the airport, according to local media outlets.



There were 179 passengers on the chartered flight, operated by Portuguese company EuroAtlantic Airways, which landed in Amritsar at around 1:30 p.m. on Wednesday, the Times of India reported.



According to the Times report, 160 adult passengers were tested on arrival at Amritsar. The remaining 19 children and infants on the flight were exempt from screening.

As this was a private flight, had they been tested before boarding?  The article doesn’t say.  

The article also does not say as to whether a private flight needs to comply with mask mandates.  When we flew to Athens, we had to wear an N-94 the whole flight.

Interesting that the children were exempt from screening, but they are as likely (if not more) to transmit the virus as adults.

[daisylu]

Rationing treatment becoming an issue between vaxed and unvaxed:

At the onset of the coronavirus pandemic in 2020, scarce ventilators and protective equipment faced strict rationing. Today, as the pandemic rages into its third year, another precious category of products is coming under tight controls: treatments to stave off severe COVID-19.



There is a greater menu of COVID pills and infusions now than at any point in the pandemic. The problem is that the supplies of those that work against the omicron variant are extremely limited.



That has forced state health officials and doctors nationwide into the fraught position of deciding which patients get potentially lifesaving treatments and which don’t. Some people at high risk of severe COVID are being turned away because they are vaccinated.



Some hospitals have run out of certain drugs; others report having only a few dozen treatment courses on hand. Staff are dispensing vitamins in lieu of authorized drugs. Others are scrambling to develop algorithms to decide who gets treatments.



Unvaccinated people are at far greater risk of hospitalization or death from COVID. But giving them priority access to treatments leaves people feeling “like you are rewarding intransigence,” said Dr. Matthew K. Wynia, the director of the Center for Bioethics and Humanities at the University of Colorado, who has advised the state on how to ration COVID treatments.




link

[Opti]

www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/i-am-just-horrified-family-says-grandma-died-of-covid-after-person-hid-positive-test/ar-AASqDZP?ocid=msedgntp


A family who lost their grandmother to COVID-19 believes she contracted the coronavirus from someone who was knowingly infected but still attended a card game.



The Nash family is mourning the loss of Barb Bartolovich, 82, who died from COVID-19 on December 21 after being hospitalized in Ohio. Nearly two years into the pandemic, the family is trying to use the woman's death as a reminder to others that they need to stay home if they feel sick or test positive.

Despite being vaccinated, the 82-year-old was at a high risk of dying from COVID-19 because of her age and her status as a blood cancer survivor. Cancer survivors are at particular risk because cancers can weaken a person's immune system and could mean a person has not mounted a sufficient antibody response to COVID-19 after being vaccinated.



Nash told WXYZ that her grandmother took as many precautions as she could and socialized only with people who took the pandemic as seriously as she did. Before a card game, she confirmed that everyone was vaccinated, but one person decided to attend despite testing positive for the virus.

[Opti]

Jan 6, 2022 14:45:50 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jan 6, 2022 14:01:10 GMT -5 Opti said:

I guess its time to be concerned as to how long you are on a plane.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/125-plane-passengers-test-positive-for-covid-as-ambulances-swarm-airport/ar-AASvd8i?ocid=msedgntp

More than 100 people who were on a flight to India from Italy have reportedly tested positive for COVID-19.



A total of 125 travelers who arrived in Amritsar, a city in the northern Indian state of Punjab, on a flight from Milan tested positive at the airport, according to local media outlets.



There were 179 passengers on the chartered flight, operated by Portuguese company EuroAtlantic Airways, which landed in Amritsar at around 1:30 p.m. on Wednesday, the Times of India reported.



According to the Times report, 160 adult passengers were tested on arrival at Amritsar. The remaining 19 children and infants on the flight were exempt from screening.

As this was a private flight, had they been tested before boarding?  The article doesn’t say.  

The article also does not say as to whether a private flight needs to comply with mask mandates.  When we flew to Athens, we had to wear an N-94 the whole flight.

Interesting that the children were exempt from screening, but they are as likely (if not more) to transmit the virus as adults.

It doesn't say. I would guess they were not wearing N-95 masks if they were masked.

[thyme4change]

Rumor - Betty White died from her Covid booster. 🙄🙄🙄

Why else would a woman who is 99 years and 49 weeks old die?

[Deleted]

Jan 7, 2022 8:05:04 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Rationing treatment becoming an issue between vaxed and unvaxed:

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Unvaccinated people are at far greater risk of hospitalization or death from COVID. But giving them priority access to treatments leaves people feeling “like you are rewarding intransigence,” said Dr. Matthew K. Wynia, the director of the Center for Bioethics and Humanities at the University of Colorado, who has advised the state on how to ration COVID treatments.

link

IMO, totally wrong to give priority to people who chose not to vaccinate. They took their chances and lost.

Jan 7, 2022 9:53:24 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nash told WXYZ that her grandmother took as many precautions as she could and socialized only with people who took the pandemic as seriously as she did. Before a card game, she confirmed that everyone was vaccinated, but one person decided to attend despite testing positive for the virus.

How can someone attend a card game with an 82-year old immune-compromised woman KNOWING they tested positive? Too bad they can't be charged with manslaughter.

[jerseygirl]

Jan 7, 2022 9:56:00 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Jan 7, 2022 8:05:04 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Rationing treatment becoming an issue between vaxed and unvaxed:

<snip>
Unvaccinated people are at far greater risk of hospitalization or death from COVID. But giving them priority access to treatments leaves people feeling “like you are rewarding intransigence,” said Dr. Matthew K. Wynia, the director of the Center for Bioethics and Humanities at the University of Colorado, who has advised the state on how to ration COVID treatments.

link

IMO, totally wrong to give priority to people who chose not to vaccinate. They took their chances and lost.

Jan 7, 2022 9:53:24 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nash told WXYZ that her grandmother took as many precautions as she could and socialized only with people who took the pandemic as seriously as she did. Before a card game, she confirmed that everyone was vaccinated, but one person decided to attend despite testing positive for the virus.

How can someone attend a card game with an 82-year old immune-compromised woman KNOWING they tested positive? Too bad they can't be charged with manslaughter.

Maybe manslaughter charges are possible. Think people who knowingly pass on other diseases e.g. AIDS can be charged

[Tiny]

Jan 7, 2022 9:56:00 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

How can someone attend a card game with an 82-year old immune-compromised woman KNOWING they tested positive?

I'll hazard a guess - their right to choose is MORE important than other people's right to choose. I'm guessing the person who tested positive didn't tell the others they tested positive - thus removing the other people who attended right to choose to attend or not.


America - where the Individual is ALWAYS more important than society.   

[resolution]

This is an interesting site that lets you pull up the hospital capacity in your local area. www.hospitalbed.space/

My local hospital's ICU is currently 105% filled.

[TheOtherMe]

Hospital system in Cedar Rapids is down 1000 employees who have Covid in the last 7 days.  Down to 5 available beds, none in the ICU because they can't staff any more.  

Have receptionists serving meals, etc.  Director everyone is pitching in and not to go there unless it's an emergency.  You will be sent away if all you want is a Covid test.

[thyme4change]

Jan 7, 2022 10:17:33 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Jan 7, 2022 9:56:00 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

How can someone attend a card game with an 82-year old immune-compromised woman KNOWING they tested positive?

I'll hazard a guess - their right to choose is MORE important than other people's right to choose. I'm guessing the person who tested positive didn't tell the others they tested positive - thus removing the other people who attended right to choose to attend or not.


America - where the Individual is ALWAYS more important than society.   

I'm guessing it was another 80+ year old, who is "fine" therefore everyone else is fine.

[mollyanna58]

Jan 7, 2022 10:32:36 GMT -5 resolution said:

This is an interesting site that lets you pull up the hospital capacity in your local area. www.hospitalbed.space/

My local hospital's ICU is currently 105% filled.

My local hospital has 54% of ICU beds, 10% of patients in ICU confirmed with COVID.

I was there earlier this week for blood work.  No visitors allowed at all.  

[jerseygirl]

Thanks for posting website re hospitals
Most in NJ have under 70.% hospital where son primarily operates (near Princeton) is higher than most )red zone) but not full yet

Can’t post but there was a large meeting in Trenton (capital city) about schools , teachers unions, school nurses etc
Well no one from governor’s office or board of education attended although invited. Pretty angry attendees

Guess the gov and BOE had no answers and didn’t want to be screamed at
(they’re all Dems)

[pulmonarymd]

Or maybe big crowds are a bad idea right now. And screaming at elected officials at a meeting is not appropriate

[Lizard Queen]

Our local hospital was a shit show a month+ ago. Got fed help beginning Dec. 30th. At 77%, 100% ICU. 51% COVID in the ICU, 20% in the hospital.

[jerseygirl]

Jan 7, 2022 12:04:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Or maybe big crowds are a bad idea right now. And screaming at elected officials at a meeting is not appropriate

But virtual attendance was offered and still no shows. Of course screaming inappropriate - hyperbole

[pulmonarymd]

Jan 7, 2022 12:08:09 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Jan 7, 2022 12:04:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Or maybe big crowds are a bad idea right now. And screaming at elected officials at a meeting is not appropriate

But virtual attendance was offered and still no shows. Of course screaming inappropriate - hyperbole

There have been plenty of examples of screaming at these events. Virtual attendance with large crowds at another site is still a bad idea. If everyone was attending virtually, then I agree they were avoiding it

[daisylu]

Jan 7, 2022 10:32:36 GMT -5 resolution said:

This is an interesting site that lets you pull up the hospital capacity in your local area. www.hospitalbed.space/

My local hospital's ICU is currently 105% filled.

Thanks for the site.


Our local hospital shows ICU is 87% full, with 52% being confirmed Covid. I thought that number would be higher, but the city where it is located is also a TON of retirees and elderly.