Vaccinated

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

The fact that this vaccine was as effective as it was right out of the gate is a bloody miracle that most don’t understand.  

The first generation polio vaccine was about 60% effective and it was deemed an utter miracle back in the 1950s, when polio was running wild.  

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Dec 30, 2021 17:30:27 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I went digging my bad it is 75-84% at preventing serious illness and hospitalization.  If you get the booster so far data shows you go back up into the 90th percentile.

So yeah you'll feel like crap but your odds are still higher being vaccinated that you will come out the other side than then being unvaccinated.  

Meanwhile with the flu shot you still have about a 50% chance of developing complications.   I do often wonder how many people who refuse the COVID shot dutifully trot off to get the flu shot without question.

Many I know are the same people who use the same argument against the COVID vaccine as they do the flu shot.  What the miss is the flu has been circulating around long enough that even without the flu shot you got enough evolutionary pressure going on it still likely won't kill you.   COVID is novel and it doesn't care. 

I have gotten a flu shot yearly….even when I stopped working in a flu cesspool of a medical center.  Each vaccine I received trained my immune system to either ‘see’ a new strain of virus, or ‘remind’ it of one it has seen in the past via vaccination.  IOW, it is cumulative over years.

I really expect covid is going to go the same way.  The more my immune system sees, the more protected I’ll be.  Goal is to wind up avoiding hospitalization and death.  

[Opti]

www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/2-new-omicron-variant-symptoms-you-haven-t-heard-about-yet/ar-AASdWjb?ocid=msedgntp


a professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s College London, recently told The Daily Express in the U.K. that those who are fully vaccinated have experienced some symptoms, too.



“Quite a few of them had nausea, slight temperature, sore throats and headaches,” he said.

However, there are two new symptoms that have emerged.



Vomiting.

Loss of appetite

Vomiting is a newer symptom that hasn’t been common with COVID-19 infections. Loss of appetite makes sense, too, if one of the main new symptoms is vomiting.



Many of the common omicron variant symptoms resemble other COVID-19 symptoms. In fact, the most common omicron variant symptoms so far include muscle aches, fatigue, scratchy throat and night sweats, which are not overly severe, as I wrote for the Deseret News.

That said, early reports from South Africa — where the omicron variant was first discovered and announced, though it’s unclear if that’s where it originated — found that omicron variant leads to milder symptoms among fully vaccinated people compared to previous COVID-19 variants.

[Opti]

Dec 30, 2021 12:11:22 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

Got my Shringrix vaccine and blood work done this morning.  In the lab area, it was more crowded.  I look around and two people have the required masks hanging on their chins.  I look at another guy and he isn't wearing a mask.  Looked again and he was drinking prep stuff for a test.  He gets a pass.  

Go upstairs for the vaccine.  I pick a spot where there is a single chair and no one else as I knew I would be in and out, which I was.  Two women come and they are together.  One is carrying the mask.  Once seated she ties it on her face but not over her nose.  Then to talk to the other person, she takes it completely off.  I told the nurse it was a good thing they didn't try to sit by me.  I would have made a scene.

What you experienced was too common with visitors at the facility. Especially if they were waiting and wanted to talk on the cellphone. (Go outside then, if you must do it maskless.)

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Dec 30, 2021 17:19:43 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Plus people need to remember that PCR cannot distinguish live or dead.  I could test positive but that doesn't mean I spread it, I could be shedding dead virus because my immune system already knocked it out.  

I REALLY wish they could fix this.  When I took my PCR test before my Alaskan cruise I was paranoid as heck that I might be shedding dead viruses and test positive and would have had to walk away from the cost of the cruise.  It makes me wonder about the positive tests among the mega-ships recently- how many were shedding only dead viruses? 

IIRC, Mich noted that it's very complicated to distinguish between live and dead viruses.

[pulmonarymd]

Again, here is the data from where I work.

You are 4x as likely to get sick if you are unvaccinated.
You are 13x more likely to be hospitalized if you are unvaccinated
You are 13x more likely to die if you are unvaccinated.

Put this into context. No medical treatment is 100% effective. If we had something that decreased your risk of breast cancer by 75%, women would be clamoring to get it. Yet, a covid vaccine, a disease you are much more likely to get, is disappointing because it is not 100% effective. Mind-boggling.

People will take last ditch cancer treatments with 10% efficacy. The comments about this not working up to some unachievable standard is ridiculous.

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 30, 2021 18:00:35 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Dec 30, 2021 17:19:43 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Plus people need to remember that PCR cannot distinguish live or dead.  I could test positive but that doesn't mean I spread it, I could be shedding dead virus because my immune system already knocked it out.  

I REALLY wish they could fix this.  When I took my PCR test before my Alaskan cruise I was paranoid as heck that I might be shedding dead viruses and test positive and would have had to walk away from the cost of the cruise.  It makes me wonder about the positive tests among the mega-ships recently- how many were shedding only dead viruses? 

IIRC, Mich noted that it's very complicated to distinguish between live and dead viruses.

It is the nature of the technology. It is very accurate and sensitive, and you can get an answer quickly, but that is one of its limitations. The only way to know if it is alive is to grow it. That takes time and is not so easy. These tests are always tradeoffs. One reason I think we need to stop testing asymptomatic fully vaccinated individuals

[imamazed]

Dec 30, 2021 16:32:12 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Dec 30, 2021 16:06:07 GMT -5 imamazed said:

On Christmas day they had invited my daughter-in-laws sister and her husband to their home for breakfast. The husband said he wasn't feeling well. He had been to a company Christmas party on the 22nd and thought he had eaten something bad or it was because he had a hangover. Obviously, he wasn't wearing a mask because he was eating and drinking. As the day went on, he became sicker so he did a rapid test a few days later. It was positive. 

For Christmas dinner they went to an in-laws house where there were 8 altogether, all fully vaccinated with boosters. So far, 4 have tested positive including daughter-in-law's 81 year old grandfather who so far, is not in the hospital. 

That is really sad.  You'd think someone who had been to a group gathering and didn't feel well later would stay the heck at home out of caution and consideration for others.  

I hope your DS and DDIL recover quickly.  My DS and DDIL had it about a month ago and so did 2 of their 3 kids.  The adults were vaccinated and all are fine now.  I did stay home for Thanksgiving- small price to pay to see them all well over Christmas!

I guess he wasn't sick enough to stay home. He thought it was either a hangover or something bad he ate, he wasn't thinking he had covid at all. It was a couple of days later when he still wasn't feeling well, he decided to test and it came up positive. 

[imamazed]

Dec 30, 2021 16:35:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 30, 2021 16:11:41 GMT -5 imamazed said:

My DS as sick as he is has said the shots have kept him out of the hospital, and that is great, but
what upsets me is the shots don't seem to protect us against Omicron. My DH and I are fullly vaxxed and wear a mask whever we go, which isn't far these days. I don't even want to go out anymore. 

The vaccines prevent death and hospitalization. Not sure what is do disappointing about that. 800,000 people are dead and millions have been hospitalized so far. Keeping people from dying was always goal #1

I understand. I'm disappointed because I thought if you wore a mask and got the two shots plus a booster, you'd be pretty safe from getting covid. i now realize i was wrong. 

[imamazed]

Dec 30, 2021 16:46:23 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Dec 30, 2021 16:11:41 GMT -5 imamazed said:

My DS as sick as he is has said the shots have kept him out of the hospital, and that is great, but
what upsets me is the shots don't seem to protect us against Omicron. My DH and I are fullly vaxxed and wear a mask whever we go, which isn't far these days. I don't even want to go out anymore. 

The vaccine was never meant to keep you from getting it period.  It was to prevent serious illness and death. Which all three of them successfully do, even without a booster.

It's more akin to the flu shot than a polio vaccine.   The flu shot is only 50-60% effective.  The mRNA vaccines even with Omicron are still at higher efficacy than that which is an incredible feat of science.

I get being frustrated but that's just the nature of disease.  The only one we have ever managed to eradicate is smallpox and that's because we are the only vector for it.  Everything else you are vaccinated for still exists.  I'm sure if you tested me every day of my life eventually I'd test positive for measles, but the vaccines efficacy rate is such that my body wipes it out before I get sick.

The flu shot on the other hand I can still get the flu I just don't die from ripping my abdominal muscles in half or drowning in my own mucus.  I have to have one every year because it mutates but those shots are cumulative which means each time I get one my immune system is better primed for the next variant.   Based on current data that is likely where COVID shots will go too.

I do realize this now. I didn't before. 

I've been around since the 50's and got a polio shot and a sugar cube by lining up in the school hallway to receive each. 

My grandma had a friend who had polio. She had braces on both legs and walked with two canes that were clasped to her arms beneath her elbows. The image of her is ingrained in my brain. I'll never forget it. 

[imamazed]

Dec 30, 2021 16:51:39 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Dec 30, 2021 16:11:41 GMT -5 imamazed said:

My DS as sick as he is has said the shots have kept him out of the hospital, and that is great, but
what upsets me is the shots don't seem to protect us against Omicron. My DH and I are fullly vaxxed and wear a mask whever we go, which isn't far these days. I don't even want to go out anymore. 

Protecting from the virus was never the end point of the study.  The end point of the studies on the vaccine were do they prevent hospitalization (yes), and do they prevent death (yes).  So yes, you are protected from hospitalization and death.

That's what my DS has told me. The shots have prevented him from being hospitalized. It's actually prevented all four who've tested positive from being in the hospital or worse, dying. I'm very grateful for that. Thank you!

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 30, 2021 18:37:31 GMT -5 imamazed said:

Dec 30, 2021 16:35:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The vaccines prevent death and hospitalization. Not sure what is do disappointing about that. 800,000 people are dead and millions have been hospitalized so far. Keeping people from dying was always goal #1

I understand. I'm disappointed because I thought if you wore a mask and got the two shots plus a booster, you'd be pretty safe from getting covid. i now realize i was wrong. 

It may have been true with the previous versions of the virus. But the virus will do what it will do if we let it. We let it mutate because we didn’t control it, and we got the more infectious variants, delta, and now omicron. We are fortunate that the vaccines still work as well as they do

[Tennesseer]

[imamazed]

Dec 30, 2021 17:20:14 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Half of Carrot's cousin and his uncle have covid now, but sounds like they're still trying to figure out how to have their Christmas this weekend with the "non-sick".  They all live in the same house. 

I hope Carrot doesn't get it. 

[imamazed]

Dec 30, 2021 19:03:50 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 30, 2021 18:37:31 GMT -5 imamazed said:

I understand. I'm disappointed because I thought if you wore a mask and got the two shots plus a booster, you'd be pretty safe from getting covid. i now realize i was wrong. 

It may have been true with the previous versions of the virus. But the virus will do what it will do if we let it. We let it mutate because we didn’t control it, and we got the more infectious variants, delta, and now omicron. We are fortunate that the vaccines still work as well as they do

You're right about this. I never realized it was different with Omicron. Hopefully, I'll never get it, but if I do, I hope I don't have to be hospitalized. I'm up there in age. 

Is it true that the boosters only last plus or minus 10 weeks? And, do you expect there will be another mutation? 

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 30, 2021 20:47:13 GMT -5 imamazed said:

Dec 30, 2021 19:03:50 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It may have been true with the previous versions of the virus. But the virus will do what it will do if we let it. We let it mutate because we didn’t control it, and we got the more infectious variants, delta, and now omicron. We are fortunate that the vaccines still work as well as they do

You're right about this. I never realized it was different with Omicron. Hopefully, I'll never get it, but if I do, I hope I don't have to be hospitalized. I'm up there in age. 

Is it true that the boosters only last plus or minus 10 weeks? And, do you expect there will be another mutation? 

No idea how long boosters last. Time will tell. There will be some limit to infectivity and severity. I think we may be near the limit, but again time will tell. I know these are not definitive, but predicting the behavior of biological systems is not easy

[Opti]

Dec 30, 2021 19:06:30 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Cruel Tenn, but it might be true.

[CCL]

Dec 29, 2021 11:28:39 GMT -5 giramomma said:

Well, my county just reported 1K cases in the past 24 hours. The vaccination rate is like 77%. Hospitals are stressed. Actually there's one in my state that is getting help from the army or some such place.

The National Guard has been activated here to assist at several hospitals.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 30, 2021 18:46:10 GMT -5 imamazed said:

Dec 30, 2021 16:46:23 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

The vaccine was never meant to keep you from getting it period.  It was to prevent serious illness and death. Which all three of them successfully do, even without a booster.

It's more akin to the flu shot than a polio vaccine.   The flu shot is only 50-60% effective.  The mRNA vaccines even with Omicron are still at higher efficacy than that which is an incredible feat of science.

I get being frustrated but that's just the nature of disease.  The only one we have ever managed to eradicate is smallpox and that's because we are the only vector for it.  Everything else you are vaccinated for still exists.  I'm sure if you tested me every day of my life eventually I'd test positive for measles, but the vaccines efficacy rate is such that my body wipes it out before I get sick.

The flu shot on the other hand I can still get the flu I just don't die from ripping my abdominal muscles in half or drowning in my own mucus.  I have to have one every year because it mutates but those shots are cumulative which means each time I get one my immune system is better primed for the next variant.   Based on current data that is likely where COVID shots will go too.

I do realize this now. I didn't before. 

I've been around since the 50's and got a polio shot and a sugar cube by lining up in the school hallway to receive each. 

My grandma had a friend who had polio. She had braces on both legs and walked with two canes that were clasped to her arms beneath her elbows. The image of her is ingrained in my brain. I'll never forget it. 

A childhood friend's dad had polio as bad as you described for your friend. But God bless him-he fathered ten kids.

Another frind of mine had polio as a child. Fortunately, it was barely noticeable through most his working years. But when he hit forty, some of the physical characteristics of having had polio started to return.

[zibazinski]

My cousin on my dad’s side is in his late 70’s. He had polio as a child, iron lung and everything. He did survive but one leg longer than the other. He’s still alive but won’t let anyone see him. Not my other cousins, his siblings, or the children he raised with his wife ( step kids ) he either wouldn’t or couldn’t have biological children. He’s twisted physically and in constant pain. I can’t even imagine. My mom and my aunt were discussing polio in the car with me in the back seat and when I asked, “ What was polio?,” she pulled over because she got all emotional. She and my aunt were so grateful that their children were clueless as to that scourge.

[imamazed]

Dec 30, 2021 20:54:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 30, 2021 20:47:13 GMT -5 imamazed said:

You're right about this. I never realized it was different with Omicron. Hopefully, I'll never get it, but if I do, I hope I don't have to be hospitalized. I'm up there in age. 

Is it true that the boosters only last plus or minus 10 weeks? And, do you expect there will be another mutation? 

No idea how long boosters last. Time will tell. There will be some limit to infectivity and severity. I think we may be near the limit, but again time will tell. I know these are not definitive, but predicting the behavior of biological systems is not easy

Thank you for answering. My wish is I hope it's near the end and burns itself out.

My DS and daughter-in-law are feeling a bit better tonight. DS's doctor told them to take Zinc, Vit D, Vit C. His mother-in-law who has tested negative so far brought the stuff to them and left it on the porch. I live in another state far away from them, but that's going to end soon because my DH is sick with medical problems that can't be reversed. 

[minnesotapaintlady]

Dec 30, 2021 20:39:06 GMT -5 imamazed said:

Dec 30, 2021 17:20:14 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Half of Carrot's cousin and his uncle have covid now, but sounds like they're still trying to figure out how to have their Christmas this weekend with the "non-sick".  They all live in the same house. 

I hope Carrot doesn't get it. 

I think it's practically inevitable.  His dad is such a moron.  Two of the kids they've decided have the "flu", not sure why they seem to think that when they're living with two with covid and they haven't been tested.  The mom has pictures on Facebook of her taking the one confirmed covid kid out to dinner for her 16th birthday yesterday knowing she had it. The mom actually had a pretty bad case of covid earlier this year.  Not hospital bad, but really sick for a couple weeks. She should be trying to avoid it but isn't.  This is why I'm at the "fuck it" point in all of this now.  My kid will bring it home sooner or later. 

[Spellbound454]

We had a kid last term who drew a line on his test with a red pen ....... just because he fancied a bit of attention
Don't you just love kids.

[imamazed]

Dec 30, 2021 21:33:47 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 30, 2021 18:46:10 GMT -5 imamazed said:

I do realize this now. I didn't before. 

I've been around since the 50's and got a polio shot and a sugar cube by lining up in the school hallway to receive each. 

My grandma had a friend who had polio. She had braces on both legs and walked with two canes that were clasped to her arms beneath her elbows. The image of her is ingrained in my brain. I'll never forget it. 

A childhood friend's dad had polio as bad as you described for your friend. But God bless him-he fathered ten kids.

Another frind of mine had polio as a child. Fortunately, it was barely noticeable through most his working years. But when he hit forty, some of the physical characteristics of having had polio started to return.

I'm sorry for your friend. It was a very crippling disease. I'll never forget the image of my grandma's friend. I think I was about 10 at the time. I don't remember seeing anyone else who had polio. It's something I won't ever forget. 

[minnesotapaintlady]

Dec 30, 2021 23:31:11 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Dec 30, 2021 20:39:06 GMT -5 imamazed said:

I hope Carrot doesn't get it. 

I think it's practically inevitable.  His dad is such a moron.  Two of the kids they've decided have the "flu", not sure why they seem to think that when they're living with two with covid and they haven't been tested.  The mom has pictures on Facebook of her taking the one confirmed covid kid out to dinner for her 16th birthday yesterday knowing she had it. The mom actually had a pretty bad case of covid earlier this year.  Not hospital bad, but really sick for a couple weeks. She should be trying to avoid it but isn't.  This is why I'm at the "fuck it" point in all of this now.  My kid will bring it home sooner or later. 

Apparently my mom is just as much of a moron.  She texted me this afternoon that the hosts at our family Christmas (the one I skipped on Saturday) tested positive for covid this week.  My mom and stepdad (both unvaxxed) were at that party and now I just got video of them on the Ring picking up Carrot.

Again, not that it really matters.  He's just going to his dad's where they're ringing in the New Year with a covid party.  

[imamazed]

Dec 30, 2021 21:41:25 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

My cousin on my dad’s side is in his late 70’s. He had polio as a child, iron lung and everything. He did survive but one leg longer than the other. He’s still alive but won’t let anyone see him. Not my other cousins, his siblings, or the children he raised with his wife ( step kids ) he either wouldn’t or couldn’t have biological children. He’s twisted physically and in constant pain. I can’t even imagine. My mom and my aunt were discussing polio in the car with me in the back seat and when I asked, “ What was polio?,” she pulled over because she got all emotional. She and my aunt were so grateful that their children were clueless as to that scourge.

I'm so sorry your family went through this. 

[imamazed]

Dec 31, 2021 16:47:36 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Dec 30, 2021 23:31:11 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I think it's practically inevitable.  His dad is such a moron.  Two of the kids they've decided have the "flu", not sure why they seem to think that when they're living with two with covid and they haven't been tested.  The mom has pictures on Facebook of her taking the one confirmed covid kid out to dinner for her 16th birthday yesterday knowing she had it. The mom actually had a pretty bad case of covid earlier this year.  Not hospital bad, but really sick for a couple weeks. She should be trying to avoid it but isn't.  This is why I'm at the "fuck it" point in all of this now.  My kid will bring it home sooner or later. 

Apparently my mom is just as much of a moron.  She texted me this afternoon that the hosts at our family Christmas (the one I skipped on Saturday) tested positive for covid this week.  My mom and stepdad (both unvaxxed) were at that party and now I just got video of them on the Ring picking up Carrot.

Again, not that it really matters.  He's just going to his dad's where they're ringing in the New Year with a covid party.  

Oh no! I hope Carrot or you don't get it. My prayers are with you. 

[imamazed]

DS's PCR test came back today as positive. Daughter-in-law's not back yet. 

[Spellbound454]

Daughter insisted on going to a Christmas Eve party..... now they, 10/15 are down with Covid, apart from her, thank goodness, because she was here Christmas Day and Boxing Day

Another guy, also at our Christmas table is down with Covid .......... but we haven't seen him since then, so hopefully dodged another bullet.

Its closing in for sure.

And due back at School next week with loads of virus laden kids ...... Oh Joy.

[azucena]

Dd13 had a positive home test today. We saw my brother on Fri and sat at limited family gatherings. He had negative test on Fri that he took as precaution. His symptoms started mon night, tested Tues, result Thurs. Dd13 started with sore throat weds, fever Thurs, actually felt better yesterday, lousy today. Still mild.

Guess we'll be isolating for a while. Her second shot was in June and her age group isn't eligible for boosters yet. The rest of us have had more recent shots.