Vaccinated

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 6, 2021 12:43:57 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Dec 6, 2021 12:23:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Vaccination done in pharmacies. Make an appointment online. My son came home for Thanksgiving and got an appointment within 24 hours. We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the nation. Massachusetts is also in the top 5. How is it that Utah is so much lower, yet you are congratulating yourself for living somewhere where the government works?

You have to make a distinction between the availability of the vaccines for those who want them and the willingness of people to get them. They're two separate issues. There's no excuse for lack of availability anywhere these days, but there are some people who wouldn't get vaccinated even if you showed up at their door with a dose, and Utah may have a higher % of them.

I agree. And this has nothing to do with how well the government works. She was trying to score political points over something where it is irrelevant. Areas with high vaccination rates did something right. Utah's availability may have to do with less demand, and nothing to do with governmental incompetence

[lurkyloo]

Personally I love living in an area where it was hard to get DS’s first vaccine shot scheduled because demand was so high   Totally worth the minor inconvenience of driving to VA for his shot to know that so many of my neighbors were getting their kids vaccinated right away too.

[wvugurl26]

I keep telling all my coworkers to bring their kids to my county. Many appointments available all day long. It does not surprise me.

[raeoflyte]

Dec 6, 2021 13:31:31 GMT -5 lurkyloo said:

Personally I love living in an area where it was hard to get DS’s first vaccine shot scheduled because demand was so high   Totally worth the minor inconvenience of driving to VA for his shot to know that so many of my neighbors were getting their kids vaccinated right away too.

Agreed! I'm seeing a decent # of the kids friends getting vaccinated which is a relief.

[anciana]

Has anyone heard anything about approving boosters for teenagers any time this winter? My kids are now 6 months past their 2nd vax shot.

[formerroomate99]

Dec 6, 2021 12:23:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 6, 2021 11:47:06 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

DH and I rather impulsively decided to attend one of those no appointment required community vaccination events to get our boosters. They were at least 50 people ahead of me in line and within 20 minutes, I was getting my shot.

The county health department has been having these events several times a week at school’s all over the county. I love living in a place where the government actually works. I don’t even want to ask if my step brother in Massachusetts managed to get himself and my parents their boosters. They make it so hard to get vaccinated out there.

Yeah, because that is what it is. Vaccination done in pharmacies. Make an appointment online. My son came home for Thanksgiving and got an appointment within 24 hours. We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the nation. Massachusetts is also in the top 5. How is it that Utah is so much lower, yet you are congratulating yourself for living somewhere where the government works?

Are you too stupid to realize that the state making it easy for people to get vaccinated and the citizens being smart enough to get vaccinated or two separate issues?

In my county, each town has at least three pharmacies that are doing vaccinations. In my parents neck of the woods, only about one and three towns had a pharmacy that was doing vaccinations. In my parents neck of the woods, they had exactly one mass vaccination site, and it was such a disorganized shit show that my step brother, who is a policeman, was afraid to take my parents there. We had three mass vaccination sites, and they were all well run. Our local health department is going to three different public schools every week to do vaccine clinics, and they have enough sense to pick the schools that are in less affluent areas and closer to public transit. They also have vaccination clinics where they don’t even ask your name, so the undocumented folks can get their shots. My parents metro area is a little less than half of the population in my metro area, but they have less than 1/10 as many places to get vaccinated.

When my husband and I became eligible for the vaccination, I was able to go online and get us an appointment on the first week. With my parents, my step brother and I were trying unsuccessfully for over a month before we could get them an appointment. So don’t sit there and tell me that it’s just as easy to get vaccinated in Massachusetts as it is in Utah. It isn’t.

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 6, 2021 14:04:08 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

Dec 6, 2021 12:23:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Yeah, because that is what it is. Vaccination done in pharmacies. Make an appointment online. My son came home for Thanksgiving and got an appointment within 24 hours. We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the nation. Massachusetts is also in the top 5. How is it that Utah is so much lower, yet you are congratulating yourself for living somewhere where the government works?

Are you too stupid to realize that the state making it easy for people to get vaccinated and the citizens being smart enough to get vaccinated or two separate issues?

In my county, each town has at least three pharmacies that are doing vaccinations. In my parents neck of the woods, only about one and three towns had a pharmacy that was doing vaccinations. In my parents neck of the woods, they had exactly one mass vaccination site, and it was such a disorganized shit show that my step brother, who is a policeman, was afraid to take my parents there. We had three mass vaccination sites, and they were all well run. Our local health department is going to three different public schools every week to do vaccine clinics, and they have enough sense to pick the schools that are in less affluent areas and closer to public transit. They also have vaccination clinics where they don’t even ask your name, so the undocumented folks can get their shots. My parents metro area is a little less than half of the population in my metro area, but they have less than 1/10 as many places to get vaccinated.

When my husband and I became eligible for the vaccination, I was able to go online and get us an appointment on the first week. With my parents, my step brother and I were trying unsuccessfully for over a month before we could get them an appointment. So don’t sit there and tell me that it’s just as easy to get vaccinated in Massachusetts as it is in Utah. It isn’t.

I will insult your intelligence just like you insulted mine. Are you too stupid to understand supply and demand? When it was difficult to get a vaccination in MA, it was because of LIMITED supply with excess demand. No solution fixes that problem. They could have done a birthday lottery, and it would have been easier to schedule a vaccination, but there would have been complaints. 

Results matter. MA(and all of NE) far outstrip Utah in percent of those vaccinated. Try and spin that any way you want. But it basically says that people in Utah are too dumb to get vaccinated, and that it is easier logistically to set up a system when demand is limited.
 

[TheOtherMe]

There are lots of stupid people in Iowa when it comes to vaccines.  Sadly some of them are related to me.

[chiver78]

I happen to live in MA, and I can assure you that the pain involved in getting appointments for myself and each of my parents had nothing to do with MA government not working well and everything to do with everyone trying to get their shots as soon as possible. we had 4 "mass vaccination sites" around the state, with other clinics set up that probably could also be described that way. I had to drive two hours each way in order to get my first shot, but that clinic ran like a well-oiled machine. I think you're seeing what you want to see, and failing at spinning the rest. par for the course, I'd say, based on your posts around all things COVID. 

as for me, I finally got a booster appointment. woo hoo! I'll have to drive a bit, but that's okay. I picked Saturday, in case I end up on the couch the day after. both my parents were down for the count on Thanksgiving after getting boosters on Wednesday. all three of us were fine after dose #2, so I'm guessing I'll be a couch potato for Sunday football. 

[Opti]

I think much of it is demand and timing plus how your area is laid out. I would not think my experience in my county had much to do with other counties because I simply do not know. Some towns in NJ are small, I don't think there is room for three pharmacies to be supported in every NJ town let alone do Covid shots.

I am grateful someone pointed out some options to me, and I was able to go quickly. 

[Deleted]

Dec 6, 2021 14:18:01 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

There are lots of stupid people in Iowa when it comes to vaccines.  Sadly some of them are related to me.

Yep.  I'm grateful DS and DDIL, who live in IA, finally got vaccinated and were fully vaccinated by the time COVID hit their family (so far only the 2.5-year old has escaped but thank heaven the other cases have been light).   I've noted this before but I really saw the mentality up there when I took the two older girls (5 and 7) to stay in a nearby hotel a couple of months ago with signs saying masks were optional for those who were vaccinated.   A few business meetings going on and I'd say about 95% of the adults were unmasked.   Fortunately the girls think it's great fun to have dinner in the room from the grocery store (microwaved mac and cheese and Disney Princess Spaghetti-Os are great treats) and prefer to select breakfast items downstairs and bring those up to enjoy in the room, too.

Whole lotta lyin' goin' on.

[swamp]

Dec 6, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I happen to live in MA, and I can assure you that the pain involved in getting appointments for myself and each of my parents had nothing to do with MA government not working well and everything to do with everyone trying to get their shots as soon as possible. we had 4 "mass vaccination sites" around the state, with other clinics set up that probably could also be described that way. I had to drive two hours each way in order to get my first shot, but that clinic ran like a well-oiled machine. I think you're seeing what you want to see, and failing at spinning the rest. par for the course, I'd say, based on your posts around all things COVID. 

as for me, I finally got a booster appointment. woo hoo! I'll have to drive a bit, but that's okay. I picked Saturday, in case I end up on the couch the day after. both my parents were down for the count on Thanksgiving after getting boosters on Wednesday. all three of us were fine after dose #2, so I'm guessing I'll be a couch potato for Sunday football. 

This.

DH worked at one of the mass vaccination sites set up by NYS. it was a bitch to get an appointment at the Beginning because of limited supply. Everybody wanted a shot. It was a small vaccination pod and they were running 1000 to 2000 vaccinations day and they were people driving up from Long Island to upstate New York to get their vaccine. It has nothing to do with incompetent government, and everything to do with the amount of vaccines available

Now that supply, you can generally just walk into any pharmacy and get your shot

But then, my husband worked at the nonexistent Covid hospital at the Javits Center in New York City in April 2020 not treating hundreds of Covid patients. So what do I know

[formerroomate99]

Dec 6, 2021 13:23:02 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 6, 2021 12:43:57 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

You have to make a distinction between the availability of the vaccines for those who want them and the willingness of people to get them. They're two separate issues. There's no excuse for lack of availability anywhere these days, but there are some people who wouldn't get vaccinated even if you showed up at their door with a dose, and Utah may have a higher % of them.

I agree. And this has nothing to do with how well the government works. She was trying to score political points over something where it is irrelevant. Areas with high vaccination rates did something right. Utah's availability may have to do with less demand, and nothing to do with governmental incompetence

A difference in demand doesn’t explain why an area with half the population of mine and sky high taxes as less than 1/10 as many places to get vaccinated.

And bear in mind, my county has a very young population, while my parents area is older. My parents county should’ve had more vaccination sites per capita not less.

As for for scoring political points, exactly where in my post did I say that all or even most of the red states are doing a better job of distributing vaccines? Did I tell the people in poorly red one red states that their problems were all in their heads, like you implied with me? When you’ve lived in as many places as I have, you learn real quick that incompetence and corruption are not a red or blue thing.

[formerroomate99]

Dec 6, 2021 14:11:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 6, 2021 14:04:08 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

Are you too stupid to realize that the state making it easy for people to get vaccinated and the citizens being smart enough to get vaccinated or two separate issues?

In my county, each town has at least three pharmacies that are doing vaccinations. In my parents neck of the woods, only about one and three towns had a pharmacy that was doing vaccinations. In my parents neck of the woods, they had exactly one mass vaccination site, and it was such a disorganized shit show that my step brother, who is a policeman, was afraid to take my parents there. We had three mass vaccination sites, and they were all well run. Our local health department is going to three different public schools every week to do vaccine clinics, and they have enough sense to pick the schools that are in less affluent areas and closer to public transit. They also have vaccination clinics where they don’t even ask your name, so the undocumented folks can get their shots. My parents metro area is a little less than half of the population in my metro area, but they have less than 1/10 as many places to get vaccinated.

When my husband and I became eligible for the vaccination, I was able to go online and get us an appointment on the first week. With my parents, my step brother and I were trying unsuccessfully for over a month before we could get them an appointment. So don’t sit there and tell me that it’s just as easy to get vaccinated in Massachusetts as it is in Utah. It isn’t.

I will insult your intelligence just like you insulted mine. Are you too stupid to understand supply and demand? When it was difficult to get a vaccination in MA, it was because of LIMITED supply with excess demand. No solution fixes that problem. They could have done a birthday lottery, and it would have been easier to schedule a vaccination, but there would have been complaints. 

Results matter. MA(and all of NE) far outstrip Utah in percent of those vaccinated. Try and spin that any way you want. But it basically says that people in Utah are too dumb to get vaccinated, and that it is easier logistically to set up a system when demand is limited.
 

How do you explain the fact that nearly every grocery store and drugstore in Utah was giving out Covid vaccines, while the majority of the grocery stores and drugstores in my parents neck of the woods were not? How do you explain the fact that a county with 1 million people had three mass vax sites while a Massachusetts county with 600,000 people had only one.?

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 6, 2021 15:41:32 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

Dec 6, 2021 14:11:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I will insult your intelligence just like you insulted mine. Are you too stupid to understand supply and demand? When it was difficult to get a vaccination in MA, it was because of LIMITED supply with excess demand. No solution fixes that problem. They could have done a birthday lottery, and it would have been easier to schedule a vaccination, but there would have been complaints. 

Results matter. MA(and all of NE) far outstrip Utah in percent of those vaccinated. Try and spin that any way you want. But it basically says that people in Utah are too dumb to get vaccinated, and that it is easier logistically to set up a system when demand is limited.
 

How do you explain the fact that nearly every grocery store and drugstore in Utah was giving out Covid vaccines, while the majority of the grocery stores and drugstores in my parents neck of the woods were not? How do you explain the fact that a county with 1 million people had three mass vax sites while a Massachusetts county with 600,000 people had only one.?

STATE              % fully vaccinated               At least 1 dose          Population            Total doses given

MA                        71.9                                86.7                        7 million                   6,069,000    


UTAH                     55.9                               65.1                         3.1 million                2,018,100

MA has done a terrible job, you are right.

You have done this repeatedly, distorting facts about COVID to fit your narrative. By any measure, MA has done a better job at vaccinating people than Utah has. The number of young people has little to do with it, as vaccines have been freely available for all but those under 12 for months. Early on, when vaccine was in short supply, yes, there were difficulties, due to a mismatch in supply and demand. This has been pointed out to you repeatedly, and by others just in this thread. But you continue with your fantasy about how your government has done better. At the end of the day, results matter, and the percent fully vaccinated matters most. Your narrative is skewed by your beliefs.

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 6, 2021 15:41:32 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

Dec 6, 2021 14:11:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I will insult your intelligence just like you insulted mine. Are you too stupid to understand supply and demand? When it was difficult to get a vaccination in MA, it was because of LIMITED supply with excess demand. No solution fixes that problem. They could have done a birthday lottery, and it would have been easier to schedule a vaccination, but there would have been complaints. 

Results matter. MA(and all of NE) far outstrip Utah in percent of those vaccinated. Try and spin that any way you want. But it basically says that people in Utah are too dumb to get vaccinated, and that it is easier logistically to set up a system when demand is limited.
 

How do you explain the fact that nearly every grocery store and drugstore in Utah was giving out Covid vaccines, while the majority of the grocery stores and drugstores in my parents neck of the woods were not? How do you explain the fact that a county with 1 million people had three mass vax sites while a Massachusetts county with 600,000 people had only one.?

Did you even see Chiver's post?

In the spring, doses were given on allocation. Doses were not redirected from areas with low demand to areas with high demand(although they should have), because of the outrage that republican areas would have expressed. You have the inability to understand that. 

ETA: If you want to give out a large number of doses, and not waste any(a concern early on), doing so in large sites made sense. We did that here as well. It was difficult to schedule an appointment until April due to demand. You refuse to accept that last point.

[empress of self-improvement]

Dec 6, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I happen to live in MA, and I can assure you that the pain involved in getting appointments for myself and each of my parents had nothing to do with MA government not working well and everything to do with everyone trying to get their shots as soon as possible. we had 4 "mass vaccination sites" around the state, with other clinics set up that probably could also be described that way. I had to drive two hours each way in order to get my first shot, but that clinic ran like a well-oiled machine. I think you're seeing what you want to see, and failing at spinning the rest. par for the course, I'd say, based on your posts around all things COVID. 

as for me, I finally got a booster appointment. woo hoo! I'll have to drive a bit, but that's okay. I picked Saturday, in case I end up on the couch the day after. both my parents were down for the count on Thanksgiving after getting boosters on Wednesday. all three of us were fine after dose #2, so I'm guessing I'll be a couch potato for Sunday football. 

Same here with everything chiverbrat said. Took me awhile to get an appt. at a mass vax site but at least I didn't need to drive 2 hours for it. Too lazy for that. Same for my booster. I managed to snag an appt. at CVS down the street for Sunday. I'm thrilled.

[Lizard Queen]

Dec 6, 2021 15:41:32 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

Dec 6, 2021 14:11:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I will insult your intelligence just like you insulted mine. Are you too stupid to understand supply and demand? When it was difficult to get a vaccination in MA, it was because of LIMITED supply with excess demand. No solution fixes that problem. They could have done a birthday lottery, and it would have been easier to schedule a vaccination, but there would have been complaints. 

Results matter. MA(and all of NE) far outstrip Utah in percent of those vaccinated. Try and spin that any way you want. But it basically says that people in Utah are too dumb to get vaccinated, and that it is easier logistically to set up a system when demand is limited.
 

How do you explain the fact that nearly every grocery store and drugstore in Utah was giving out Covid vaccines, while the majority of the grocery stores and drugstores in my parents neck of the woods were not? How do you explain the fact that a county with 1 million people had three mass vax sites while a Massachusetts county with 600,000 people had only one.?

So you've got two data points. Here's #3. I've been fully vaxed since mid April despite being <50, and not qualifying through any medical issues. It was at a mass vax clinic that ran like clockwork, located just 10 minutes from my home. Demand was already dropping by the time I got my second shot.

I'm also 3 weeks past my booster. I scheduled it just a couple days in advance, at my grocery store pharmacy just 1 mile from home. I could've gotten one even earlier, but I was looking to get moderna instead of another Pfizer.

My kids are already 1 week post second vax--clinic right at my older son's school. I could've gotten them their shots at the same grocery pharmacy a couple days earlier, but it was simply more convenient to go with the school clinic.

Unfortunately, my area's vax rate is similar to yours. I'd feel better to live in a place with more people getting the vax to having it be as incredibly convenient as it was. Oh well--you do the best with the circumstances presented to you.

[chiver78]

Dec 6, 2021 16:03:53 GMT -5 empress of self-improvement said:

Dec 6, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I happen to live in MA, and I can assure you that the pain involved in getting appointments for myself and each of my parents had nothing to do with MA government not working well and everything to do with everyone trying to get their shots as soon as possible. we had 4 "mass vaccination sites" around the state, with other clinics set up that probably could also be described that way. I had to drive two hours each way in order to get my first shot, but that clinic ran like a well-oiled machine. I think you're seeing what you want to see, and failing at spinning the rest. par for the course, I'd say, based on your posts around all things COVID. 

as for me, I finally got a booster appointment. woo hoo! I'll have to drive a bit, but that's okay. I picked Saturday, in case I end up on the couch the day after. both my parents were down for the count on Thanksgiving after getting boosters on Wednesday. all three of us were fine after dose #2, so I'm guessing I'll be a couch potato for Sunday football. 

Same here with everything chiverbrat said. Took me awhile to get an appt. at a mass vax site but at least I didn't need to drive 2 hours for it. Too lazy for that. Same for my booster. I managed to snag an appt. at CVS down the street for Sunday. I'm thrilled.

I wouldn't have had to drive that far if I didn't have the allergies to consider. there was one mass vax site out in South Coast, but they only had Pfizer. I actually got assigned that location in the lottery before they opened up the mass vax sites to let you pick your own. actually, most of the Cape was Pfizer with some J&J mixed in. we have a CVS on every other corner in this state, and somehow they are still booking a couple weeks out, too.    whatever. I'll take a quick drive up to the Marshfield Fairgrounds, it's fine. 

[chiver78]

Dec 6, 2021 16:01:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 6, 2021 15:41:32 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

How do you explain the fact that nearly every grocery store and drugstore in Utah was giving out Covid vaccines, while the majority of the grocery stores and drugstores in my parents neck of the woods were not? How do you explain the fact that a county with 1 million people had three mass vax sites while a Massachusetts county with 600,000 people had only one.?

Did you even see Chiver's post?

In the spring, doses were given on allocation. Doses were not redirected from areas with low demand to areas with high demand(although they should have), because of the outrage that republican areas would have expressed. You have the inability to understand that. 

ETA: If you want to give out a large number of doses, and not waste any(a concern early on), doing so in large sites made sense. We did that here as well. It was difficult to schedule an appointment until April due to demand. You refuse to accept that last point.

it doesn't fit her narrative, so she's ignoring it. I'm not offended. 

[formerroomate99]

Dec 6, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I happen to live in MA, and I can assure you that the pain involved in getting appointments for myself and each of my parents had nothing to do with MA government not working well and everything to do with everyone trying to get their shots as soon as possible. we had 4 "mass vaccination sites" around the state, with other clinics set up that probably could also be described that way. I had to drive two hours each way in order to get my first shot, but that clinic ran like a well-oiled machine. I think you're seeing what you want to see, and failing at spinning the rest. par for the course, I'd say, based on your posts around all things COVID. 

as for me, I finally got a booster appointment. woo hoo! I'll have to drive a bit, but that's okay. I picked Saturday, in case I end up on the couch the day after. both my parents were down for the count on Thanksgiving after getting boosters on Wednesday. all three of us were fine after dose #2, so I'm guessing I'll be a couch potato for Sunday football. 

My county, which has a mere 1 million people had three mass vaccination site, and you’re bragging about the fact that a state with 7 million people had four of them? Are you freaking kidding me?

By the way, I was trying to get my parents vaccinations a month after I got mine, well after the initial rush, and well before the 12 to 17 group got approved. I was online every day for a month, along with signing up for that thing where they will text you when they have an opening. My step brother did the same. And the only reason they got vaccinated was because he was willing to call off work in the middle of the day and take them to a place three towns over.

The next town over from my parents has at least a half a dozen chain grocery stores and drugstores. At most one of them was doing Covid vaccines. In my area pretty much all of them are doing vaccines. That makes a big difference with capacity. Maybe it’s different in your area. My parents are on the western side.

As for the situation at the local mass vax site, I wasn’t there, I’m just repeating my stepbrother’s opinion, which may have been based on what he had heard not what he had seen. If you say it was a well oiled machine, I have no reason not to believe you.

[haapai]

Welcome to my world, PMD. 

I'm viewing this world through really scratched-up specs.  Reading is difficult.  Reading is taxing.  Errors are common.  I frequently resort to pulling out a magnifying glass and apologizing profusely to folks for how long it is taking me to understand the simple words in front of me. 

I usually get treated badly when I do that. 

But at least I make an effort to understand what is being presented to me.  When misunderstandings arise, I instinctively go back and re-read what I might have misunderstood. 

I wish that more people would admit that they might have misread or misinterpreted things more often. 

[chiver78]

Dec 6, 2021 16:16:20 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

Dec 6, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I happen to live in MA, and I can assure you that the pain involved in getting appointments for myself and each of my parents had nothing to do with MA government not working well and everything to do with everyone trying to get their shots as soon as possible. we had 4 "mass vaccination sites" around the state, with other clinics set up that probably could also be described that way. I had to drive two hours each way in order to get my first shot, but that clinic ran like a well-oiled machine. I think you're seeing what you want to see, and failing at spinning the rest. par for the course, I'd say, based on your posts around all things COVID. 

as for me, I finally got a booster appointment. woo hoo! I'll have to drive a bit, but that's okay. I picked Saturday, in case I end up on the couch the day after. both my parents were down for the count on Thanksgiving after getting boosters on Wednesday. all three of us were fine after dose #2, so I'm guessing I'll be a couch potato for Sunday football. 

My county, which has a mere 1 million people had three mass vaccination site, and you’re bragging about the fact that a state with 7 million people had four of them? Are you freaking kidding me?

By the way, I was trying to get my parents vaccinations a month after I got mine, well after the initial rush, and well before the 12 to 17 group got approved. I was online every day for a month, along with signing up for that thing where they will text you when they have an opening. My step brother did the same. And the only reason they got vaccinated was because he was willing to call off work in the middle of the day and take them to a place three towns over.

The next town over from my parents has at least a half a dozen chain grocery stores and drugstores. At most one of them was doing Covid vaccines. In my area pretty much all of them are doing vaccines. That makes a big difference with capacity. Maybe it’s different in your area. My parents are on the western side.

As for the situation at the local mass vax site, I wasn’t there, I’m just repeating my stepbrother’s opinion, which may have been based on what he had heard not what he had seen. If you say it was a well oiled machine, I have no reason not to believe you.

did you miss the bold, or are you just having comprehension issues? what was called a mass vax site was both sides of the Club seats at Gillette Stadium (home of the Patriots), a couple different concourse sections at Fenway Park (home of the Red Sox), a huge retail location that was vacant b/c Circuit City went bankrupt, and I think the 4th was a hotel up near Empress. the place I went wasn't called a mass vax site, but it was a vacant former supermarket that had rows of chairs set up. my booster is going to be at a drive-thru place that has a bunch of lanes, at a regional fairgrounds. so, while neither my 1st nor my booster were technically "mass vax" sites, they essentially were. 

feel free to poke around here, and tell me we don't have enough vaccination locations. COVID-19 Vaccine Availability via Mass.gov 

[Opti]

Dec 6, 2021 15:41:32 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

Dec 6, 2021 14:11:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I will insult your intelligence just like you insulted mine. Are you too stupid to understand supply and demand? When it was difficult to get a vaccination in MA, it was because of LIMITED supply with excess demand. No solution fixes that problem. They could have done a birthday lottery, and it would have been easier to schedule a vaccination, but there would have been complaints. 

Results matter. MA(and all of NE) far outstrip Utah in percent of those vaccinated. Try and spin that any way you want. But it basically says that people in Utah are too dumb to get vaccinated, and that it is easier logistically to set up a system when demand is limited.
 

How do you explain the fact that nearly every grocery store and drugstore in Utah was giving out Covid vaccines, while the majority of the grocery stores and drugstores in my parents neck of the woods were not? How do you explain the fact that a county with 1 million people had three mass vax sites while a Massachusetts county with 600,000 people had only one.?

Here's a thought. Go talk to your parent's county government and do some research to find out. When Congress passed Covid relief bills, in order to get them passed, states with low populations got more funding per capita than states like NJ and NY who really needed it. So Utah made some decisions MA apparently did not. They were also far more flush with federal money. Alaska used to be one of the leaders in vax rates in the beginning because of that money. Now they are firmly towards the bottom in vax rates. Utah is in the middle at 26th per one link, NY & NJ are 6th and 7th with MA above them.

The only county that large in Utah is Salt Lake County at 1,185,238 in population. With three clinics, that would be one per 395K residents. You know some results. You don't know why though, and that's pretty important to know to judge why it was the way it was.

[formerroomate99]

Dec 6, 2021 16:01:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 6, 2021 15:41:32 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

How do you explain the fact that nearly every grocery store and drugstore in Utah was giving out Covid vaccines, while the majority of the grocery stores and drugstores in my parents neck of the woods were not? How do you explain the fact that a county with 1 million people had three mass vax sites while a Massachusetts county with 600,000 people had only one.?

Did you even see Chiver's post?

In the spring, doses were given on allocation. Doses were not redirected from areas with low demand to areas with high demand(although they should have), because of the outrage that republican areas would have expressed. You have the inability to understand that. 

ETA: If you want to give out a large number of doses, and not waste any(a concern early on), doing so in large sites made sense. We did that here as well. It was difficult to schedule an appointment until April due to demand. You refuse to accept that last point.

You do have a point about allocation. I was able to take advantage of the fact that a lot of my neighbors weren’t chomping at the bit to get vaccinated. Now that the initial wave of demand is done, I have to I wonder if they’ve opened up vaccinations to more sites? It was not convenient for my stepbrother to have to drop everything in the middle of the day and drive my parents three towns over to get them vaccinated.

[formerroomate99]

Dec 6, 2021 16:23:54 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Dec 6, 2021 16:16:20 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

My county, which has a mere 1 million people had three mass vaccination site, and you’re bragging about the fact that a state with 7 million people had four of them? Are you freaking kidding me?

By the way, I was trying to get my parents vaccinations a month after I got mine, well after the initial rush, and well before the 12 to 17 group got approved. I was online every day for a month, along with signing up for that thing where they will text you when they have an opening. My step brother did the same. And the only reason they got vaccinated was because he was willing to call off work in the middle of the day and take them to a place three towns over.

The next town over from my parents has at least a half a dozen chain grocery stores and drugstores. At most one of them was doing Covid vaccines. In my area pretty much all of them are doing vaccines. That makes a big difference with capacity. Maybe it’s different in your area. My parents are on the western side.

As for the situation at the local mass vax site, I wasn’t there, I’m just repeating my stepbrother’s opinion, which may have been based on what he had heard not what he had seen. If you say it was a well oiled machine, I have no reason not to believe you.

did you miss the bold, or are you just having comprehension issues? what was called a mass vax site was both sides of the Club seats at Gillette Stadium (home of the Patriots), a couple different concourse sections at Fenway Park (home of the Red Sox), a huge retail location that was vacant b/c Circuit City went bankrupt, and I think the 4th was a hotel up near Empress. the place I went wasn't called a mass vax site, but it was a vacant former supermarket that had rows of chairs set up. my booster is going to be at a drive-thru place that has a bunch of lanes, at a regional fairgrounds. so, while neither my 1st nor my booster were technically "mass vax" sites, they essentially were. 

feel free to poke around here, and tell me we don't have enough vaccination locations. COVID-19 Vaccine Availability via Mass.gov 

I was on that site every day for a month.

At the time I was looking, there are far fewer sites near my parents than there were near me. For some reason, only a tiny fraction of the grocery store and drugstore pharmacies were doing Covid vaccinations while nearly all of the pharmacies in the chain stores near me were doing vaccinations. And the number of non retail places near my parents was lower too.

In my neck of the woods, they took over the three convention centers in town as mass vax sites. I’m not sure if they were capable of doing 2000 shots a day, because unfortunately, the demand of my area was just not as large. I remember there being at least 20 people giving shots, and they were mostly twiddling their thumbs. 😞.

In my neck of the woods, the vaccine hesitancy seems to be driven by the under 40 crowd, which is half the population. The vaccine rates for the 60 + crowd is in the 80’s and around 75% for the 40 to 60 group.

[swamp]

Dec 6, 2021 16:16:20 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

Dec 6, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I happen to live in MA, and I can assure you that the pain involved in getting appointments for myself and each of my parents had nothing to do with MA government not working well and everything to do with everyone trying to get their shots as soon as possible. we had 4 "mass vaccination sites" around the state, with other clinics set up that probably could also be described that way. I had to drive two hours each way in order to get my first shot, but that clinic ran like a well-oiled machine. I think you're seeing what you want to see, and failing at spinning the rest. par for the course, I'd say, based on your posts around all things COVID. 

as for me, I finally got a booster appointment. woo hoo! I'll have to drive a bit, but that's okay. I picked Saturday, in case I end up on the couch the day after. both my parents were down for the count on Thanksgiving after getting boosters on Wednesday. all three of us were fine after dose #2, so I'm guessing I'll be a couch potato for Sunday football. 

My county, which has a mere 1 million people had three mass vaccination site, and you’re bragging about the fact that a state with 7 million people had four of them? Are you freaking kidding me?

By the way, I was trying to get my parents vaccinations a month after I got mine, well after the initial rush, and well before the 12 to 17 group got approved. I was online every day for a month, along with signing up for that thing where they will text you when they have an opening. My step brother did the same. And the only reason they got vaccinated was because he was willing to call off work in the middle of the day and take them to a place three towns over.

The next town over from my parents has at least a half a dozen chain grocery stores and drugstores. At most one of them was doing Covid vaccines. In my area pretty much all of them are doing vaccines. That makes a big difference with capacity. Maybe it’s different in your area. My parents are on the western side.

As for the situation at the local mass vax site, I wasn’t there, I’m just repeating my stepbrother’s opinion, which may have been based on what he had heard not what he had seen. If you say it was a well oiled machine, I have no reason not to believe you.

Um, Massachusetts is tiny.  4 sites will cover the state well.  NY had 30 some. Why?  It’s bigger.  Utah should have had way more than 3 based on geography. 

[chiver78]

Dec 6, 2021 18:34:34 GMT -5 swamp said:

Dec 6, 2021 16:16:20 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

My county, which has a mere 1 million people had three mass vaccination site, and you’re bragging about the fact that a state with 7 million people had four of them? Are you freaking kidding me?

By the way, I was trying to get my parents vaccinations a month after I got mine, well after the initial rush, and well before the 12 to 17 group got approved. I was online every day for a month, along with signing up for that thing where they will text you when they have an opening. My step brother did the same. And the only reason they got vaccinated was because he was willing to call off work in the middle of the day and take them to a place three towns over.

The next town over from my parents has at least a half a dozen chain grocery stores and drugstores. At most one of them was doing Covid vaccines. In my area pretty much all of them are doing vaccines. That makes a big difference with capacity. Maybe it’s different in your area. My parents are on the western side.

As for the situation at the local mass vax site, I wasn’t there, I’m just repeating my stepbrother’s opinion, which may have been based on what he had heard not what he had seen. If you say it was a well oiled machine, I have no reason not to believe you.

Um, Massachusetts is tiny.  4 sites will cover the state well.  NY had 30 some. Why?  It’s bigger.  Utah should have had way more than 3 based on geography. 

☝this. the four sites were all east of Worcester, the center of the three biggest cities in the state. once you go past Worcester, the population density drops like a rock. what county are your parents in, formerroomate? I'm currently in Plymouth county, was most recently in Worcester last summer temporarily and Barnstable before that. Eastern MA is too crowded. Boston won the honor of the worst rush hour commute just prior to COVID. it's simply not even close to comparing apples to apples with eastern vs western MA.

[formerroomate99]

Dec 6, 2021 18:34:34 GMT -5 swamp said:

Dec 6, 2021 16:16:20 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

My county, which has a mere 1 million people had three mass vaccination site, and you’re bragging about the fact that a state with 7 million people had four of them? Are you freaking kidding me?

By the way, I was trying to get my parents vaccinations a month after I got mine, well after the initial rush, and well before the 12 to 17 group got approved. I was online every day for a month, along with signing up for that thing where they will text you when they have an opening. My step brother did the same. And the only reason they got vaccinated was because he was willing to call off work in the middle of the day and take them to a place three towns over.

The next town over from my parents has at least a half a dozen chain grocery stores and drugstores. At most one of them was doing Covid vaccines. In my area pretty much all of them are doing vaccines. That makes a big difference with capacity. Maybe it’s different in your area. My parents are on the western side.

As for the situation at the local mass vax site, I wasn’t there, I’m just repeating my stepbrother’s opinion, which may have been based on what he had heard not what he had seen. If you say it was a well oiled machine, I have no reason not to believe you.

Um, Massachusetts is tiny.  4 sites will cover the state well.  NY had 30 some. Why?  It’s bigger.  Utah should have had way more than 3 based on geography. 

There are three mass vaccination sites just in my county, not the whole state. The surrounding counties with decent population have their own mass vaccination sites along with a ton of retail locations and local health departments.

The folks in areas that have more cows than people don’t have it quite as easy. In those counties were talking about one health department site and a handful of retail locations. But then again, that part of the world, people are used to driving 50+ miles for groceries.

[formerroomate99]

Dec 6, 2021 18:54:58 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Dec 6, 2021 18:34:34 GMT -5 swamp said:

Um, Massachusetts is tiny.  4 sites will cover the state well.  NY had 30 some. Why?  It’s bigger.  Utah should have had way more than 3 based on geography. 

☝this. the four sites were all east of Worcester, the center of the three biggest cities in the state. once you go past Worcester, the population density drops like a rock. what county are your parents in, formerroomate? I'm currently in Plymouth county, was most recently in Worcester last summer temporarily and Barnstable before that. Eastern MA is too crowded. Boston won the honor of the worst rush hour commute just prior to COVID. it's simply not even close to comparing apples to apples with eastern vs western MA.

My parents MSA has around 600,000 people in it. They are in western Massachusetts, one town over from suburbia. Not sure about the county numbers, but I didn’t restrict my search to just their county. My county has a little over 1 million. But when I was looking, there were maybe 1/5 as many retail locations in their area, way fewer government sites and one mass vax site.

It looks like things have gotten a lot better since then though. The next town over,where they do their shopping, is very much like the town I live in, a bedroom community surrounded on three sides by multiple layers of bedroom communities and on one side by mountains. At the time I was looking, they had maybe one retail site. Now there are a half a dozen. That’s pretty comparable.