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Post by anciana on Sept 21, 2021 11:25:41 GMT -5
I am hoping they will be approved for at least the 50 to 65 set. Apparently part of the reluctance for a blanket everyone booster approval was the reaction in younger people. Pfizer was designed to trigger less of an antibody response than Moderna, so that's probably why Moderna lasts longer. No, Moderna has at least 28 days between doses. Pfizer 21 days. Even a week difference is sufficient to change longevity of response. We always found optimal antibody responses occurred with 30-45 days between dosing. However, I get why they did it this way…..they wanted as many people fully protected as quickly as possible. But it was at the expense of longevity. One thing to consider, antibody is only one part of multiple parts in your immune system….it’s not everything. If I was going to be boosted with anything, I would get boosted with either AZ or J&J. I read a really interesting study that switching them up provided more protection than either alone. Canada and other countries may have done a better job than the US in this. I think Canada and UK were doing studies where they mixed different vaccines in addition to using a longer time in between shots and concluded that it was good.
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Post by anciana on Sept 21, 2021 11:31:25 GMT -5
I check a COVID tracker on MSN for numbers. A few days ago it said that the US has past 50% of the total population fully vaccinated. It is going soooo slow. Never would I imagine it would be this low and this slow once the vaccines were available and abundant.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Sept 21, 2021 12:16:06 GMT -5
The number of vaccinated just doesn't increase here. We are just a bit over 50%, but not 51%.
The county where my family lives stays at 30%. One of the high school football teams had to forfeit this weeks game because the team has Covid. High school kids are old enough to be vaccinated. I would guess a lot of them are not.
This year it's a forfeit. Last year it was a no contest. Parts of this state will never learn and I don't think that area ever will.
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Post by dannylion on Sept 21, 2021 13:51:08 GMT -5
I am hoping they will be approved for at least the 50 to 65 set. Apparently part of the reluctance for a blanket everyone booster approval was the reaction in younger people. Pfizer was designed to trigger less of an antibody response than Moderna, so that's probably why Moderna lasts longer. No, Moderna has at least 28 days between doses. Pfizer 21 days. Even a week difference is sufficient to change longevity of response. We always found optimal antibody responses occurred with 30-45 days between dosing. However, I get why they did it this way…..they wanted as many people fully protected as quickly as possible. But it was at the expense of longevity. One thing to consider, antibody is only one part of multiple parts in your immune system….it’s not everything. If I was going to be boosted with anything, I would get boosted with either AZ or J&J. I read a really interesting study that switching them up provided more protection than either alone. Canada and other countries may have done a better job than the US in this. That's interesting, Mich, thanks for that clarification. I was in the early cohort of people receiving vaccines from Walgreen's when they were scheduling all doses 4 weeks apart, if I recall correctly, because it was easier just to make all appointments 4 weeks apart without the extra complication of having to determine which vaccine would be given or something. I got the Pfizer shots 4 weeks apart, which it would seem might have been serendipitously somewhat beneficial. At any rate, I will be scheduling the third shot when it is available here. It will have been 6 months since my last dose at the end of September, so I'm hoping for sometime in October.
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Post by saveinla on Sept 21, 2021 14:10:29 GMT -5
I saw on the news, that J&J has also tested their booster shot and its increasing the efficacy to 94% or something like that - is that true? The 3 of us each received a different vaccine, so I am interested in all 3 - luckily I received Moderna as I am the weakest link in the chain
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Post by anciana on Sept 21, 2021 14:23:46 GMT -5
I saw on the news, that J&J has also tested their booster shot and its increasing the efficacy to 94% or something like that - is that true? The 3 of us each received a different vaccine, so I am interested in all 3 - luckily I received Moderna as I am the weakest link in the chain It looks like J&J finished their booster study: J&J: Booster Shot Increases Protection Against Coronavirus
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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 21, 2021 14:37:14 GMT -5
No, Moderna has at least 28 days between doses. Pfizer 21 days. Even a week difference is sufficient to change longevity of response. We always found optimal antibody responses occurred with 30-45 days between dosing. However, I get why they did it this way…..they wanted as many people fully protected as quickly as possible. But it was at the expense of longevity. One thing to consider, antibody is only one part of multiple parts in your immune system….it’s not everything. If I was going to be boosted with anything, I would get boosted with either AZ or J&J. I read a really interesting study that switching them up provided more protection than either alone. Canada and other countries may have done a better job than the US in this. I think Canada and UK were doing studies where they mixed different vaccines in addition to using a longer time in between shots and concluded that it was good.If that is true DS2 will be the best protected in my, but for the little ones, fully vaccinated family. His first dose was AZ with something like 13 weeks until the second dose. However. Germany discontinued the use of AZ in that gap and his second dose was Pfizer ~10 weeks after his AZ shot.
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Post by anciana on Sept 21, 2021 14:45:24 GMT -5
I think Canada and UK were doing studies where they mixed different vaccines in addition to using a longer time in between shots and concluded that it was good.If that is true DS2 will be the best protected in my, but for the little ones, fully vaccinated family. His first dose was AZ with something like 13 weeks until the second dose. However. Germany discontinued the use of AZ in that gap and his second dose was Pfizer ~10 weeks after his AZ shot. I thought we talked about this earlier this year. Check out this post: ymam.proboards.com/post/3274331/thread
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Post by Opti on Sept 21, 2021 14:46:32 GMT -5
The number of vaccinated just doesn't increase here. We are just a bit over 50%, but not 51%. The county where my family lives stays at 30%. One of the high school football teams had to forfeit this weeks game because the team has Covid. High school kids are old enough to be vaccinated. I would guess a lot of them are not. This year it's a forfeit. Last year it was a no contest. Parts of this state will never learn and I don't think that area ever will. I m sad as to where the US is at vaccination rate wise. I do hope that opening up the vaccine to the 5 to 11 set later this year will help.
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Post by Opti on Sept 22, 2021 13:03:53 GMT -5
This is a sad story of a breakthrough case of a teacher who had a kidney transplant. They expect him to pull through, however its still scary to me as it makes teaching seem like a very dangerous profession right now. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/teacher-who-received-3-pfizer-shots-required-masks-in-classroom-hospitalized-from-covid/ar-AAOI4eS?ocid=msedgntpAn Oklahoma man said he caught COVID-19 while teaching at college preparatory high school despite receiving three shots of the Pfizer vaccine and requiring students to wear masks.
He spoke with the newspaper from a hospital bed at Integris Baptist Medical Center, where he is being treated for complications from COVID-19.
Hartley, 62, is a teacher at Harding Fine Arts Academy, a charter school in Oklahoma City that now requires masks for all students. A kidney transplant 10 years ago left Hartley immunocompromised, which resulted in him taking extra precautions in regards to the coronavirus since studies have shown that COVID-19 poses a higher risk for people with compromised immune systems.
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Post by anciana on Sept 22, 2021 13:54:35 GMT -5
The number of vaccinated just doesn't increase here. We are just a bit over 50%, but not 51%. The county where my family lives stays at 30%. One of the high school football teams had to forfeit this weeks game because the team has Covid. High school kids are old enough to be vaccinated. I would guess a lot of them are not. This year it's a forfeit. Last year it was a no contest. Parts of this state will never learn and I don't think that area ever will. I m sad as to where the US is at vaccination rate wise. I do hope that opening up the vaccine to the 5 to 11 set later this year will help. Please, correct me if I'm getting my numbers wrong, but I think there's about 25 million of kids 5-11. If only about +50% of the adults, their parents presumably, got vaccinated, I don't think more than about half of those kids will be vaccinated either. So, we're potentially talking about 12-14 million kids within how many months after the vaccine is available to them. With the population being around 333 million those kids getting vaccinated would move the total vaccination percentage by only 3-4%. Still sad.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Sept 22, 2021 14:01:45 GMT -5
I m sad as to where the US is at vaccination rate wise. I do hope that opening up the vaccine to the 5 to 11 set later this year will help. Please, correct me if I'm getting my numbers wrong, but I think there's about 25 million of kids 5-11. If only about +50% of the adults, their parents presumably, got vaccinated, I don't think more than about half of those kids will be vaccinated either. So, we're potentially talking about 12-14 million kids within how many months after the vaccine is available to them. With the population being around 333 million those kids getting vaccinated would move the total vaccination percentage by only 3-4%. Still sad. Isn't the 50% vaccination rate of total population though? Meaning it includes all those under the age of 12 that aren't eligible yet.
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Post by anciana on Sept 22, 2021 14:23:45 GMT -5
Please, correct me if I'm getting my numbers wrong, but I think there's about 25 million of kids 5-11. If only about +50% of the adults, their parents presumably, got vaccinated, I don't think more than about half of those kids will be vaccinated either. So, we're potentially talking about 12-14 million kids within how many months after the vaccine is available to them. With the population being around 333 million those kids getting vaccinated would move the total vaccination percentage by only 3-4%. Still sad. Isn't the 50% vaccination rate of total population though? Meaning it includes all those under the age of 12 that aren't eligible yet. I believe so, yes, 50% of total population, approximately 166.5 million, right? Adding about 50% of kids age 5-11, which I figured would be ~12.5 million, makes only 179 million of (total) people in US vaccinated. That's barely 54% of total population. So, 50% now and 54% by early spring if we're lucky, still pretty low number
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Post by haapai on Sept 22, 2021 14:30:09 GMT -5
I think that we're up to 55% fully vaccinated for all ages and nation-wide. About 64% of the total population of the US has had at least one dose. Those numbers are quite a bit higher than the last time that I looked, but they are still pathetic. I've never figured out when the NYT updates that data and why I am constantly hearing a different numbers spat out at the same time.
It's truly painful to be seeing those numbers go up so slowly. I also find it frustrating that I'm not seeing articles that give me a handle on how many of those new doses are going into the arms of the newly-eligible. Those bumps when a younger bunch become eligible are great, but they are so small. I've got zero sense of what the uptake trend is in adults 18-65 is and suspect that it is quite flat.
It's really sad to see adults behave like this.
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Post by Opti on Sept 22, 2021 14:35:53 GMT -5
This website says- Overall, 181,728,072 people or 55% of the population have been fully vaccinated. usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/Not sure how accurate it is, given NJ is only at 63% fully vaxed. But IMO getting the 5 to 11 yrs old vaxxed will help significantly given we have in person school and they have significant exposure every day.
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Post by jerseygirl on Sept 22, 2021 15:20:38 GMT -5
Woman that put in my butterfly gardens got first vaccine last week. I tried to convince her this summer. She said she ‘lives healthy’ and remained sceptical. She called today to tell me her neurologist cousin persuaded her. she also got tired of seeing crazy messages on FB and people sending her wild conspiracy plots. Like the British funeral director who said everyone he buries is vaccinated She’s a master gardener and said she finally realized she uses real data derived information in her work. So maybe some people are slooow but will get vaccine Anyway she’s now thinking to be an example to her ‘spiritual’ friends
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Sept 22, 2021 15:29:26 GMT -5
Isn't the 50% vaccination rate of total population though? Meaning it includes all those under the age of 12 that aren't eligible yet. I believe so, yes, 50% of total population, approximately 166.5 million, right? Adding about 50% of kids age 5-11, which I figured would be ~12.5 million, makes only 179 million of (total) people in US vaccinated. That's barely 54% of total population. So, 50% now and 54% by early spring if we're lucky, still pretty low number What I mean is, more than 50% of the eligible population is vaccinated. What percentage of the population is under the age of 12? 20% maybe? There are almost 20 million under the age of 5, so that's 6% right there, even if all the eligible population was vaccinated it would only be 80-85% of the total.
My state reports vaccination rates as ages 12+, ages 16+, and ages 65+. We're at 70% for 16+ and 93% for ages 65+
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Post by haapai on Sept 22, 2021 15:32:45 GMT -5
About 15% of the total US population is under 12. Sorry, I can't break out the under-fives.
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Post by haapai on Sept 22, 2021 15:37:04 GMT -5
You can also figure out the percentage of your state that is under 12 by comparing the over-12 and everyone vaccination data and doing math. You don't need population numbers, just algebra.
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Post by anciana on Sept 22, 2021 15:41:11 GMT -5
I believe so, yes, 50% of total population, approximately 166.5 million, right? Adding about 50% of kids age 5-11, which I figured would be ~12.5 million, makes only 179 million of (total) people in US vaccinated. That's barely 54% of total population. So, 50% now and 54% by early spring if we're lucky, still pretty low number What I mean is, more than 50% of the eligible population is vaccinated. What percentage of the population is under the age of 12? 20% maybe? There are almost 20 million under the age of 5, so that's 6% right there, even if all the eligible population was vaccinated it would only be 80-85% of the total.
My state reports vaccination rates as ages 12+, ages 16+, and ages 65+. We're at 70% for 16+ and 93% for ages 65+
Yes, correct, children ages 0-11 make about 15% of the total population so if everyone eligible was vaccinated, we would be at 85% but instead we're at ~50%. I think that's really low.
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Post by mollyc on Sept 22, 2021 16:41:07 GMT -5
The Devil's in the details with the % of population vaccinated. I thought BC was doing pretty good with 1st shots in the 80% range and 2nd shots in the 70% range. What the finer details show is that a number of the higher population centres have a lot of their 12+ age groupings in the 90+% for 1st shots and 80+% range for 2nd shots which carries the places like north and west of me which are in the 60% range for 1st shots and upper 50% range for 2nd overall (worse when you look at age groups). I've found a new link for BC Data. It includes data on Vax progess in the different parts of BC and case/hospitalization data with respect to vaccination status. It is only updated once a week but the current details were posted yesterday. Visualizations for Case/Case Rate per 100,000/Vax Coverage
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We are at the stage of the pandemic where local conditions will be what matters. Places in New England, with vaccination rates over 70% will be in a different place than the areas down in the 40s, as we are seeing now. So even though we are 55% nationwide, it varies widely. Here, adding 5-12 may get us over 80%, close to where it becomes an endemic illness, and hopefully more like a bad cold or the flu. For those of you in areas with low adult vaccination rates, you still have a way to go
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We need an’organic gluten free’ vaccine
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Why?
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Post by lurkyloo on Sept 22, 2021 19:12:34 GMT -5
I think we are going to need over 90% total pop vaccinated or naturally infected for control. My county is at 74.9% of total population fully vaccinated (88.3% of over-12s fully vaxxed, maybe 97% with one dose). We also have an indoor public area mask mandate and fairly solid protocols for schools (masking, random and directed testing, quarantine policy). All this is good for just keeping us bouncing back and forth between substantial and high levels of transmission. We held out longer than many/most states on the surge, and our peak/plateau has been among the lowest in the country, but it‘s still about 20/100,000/day statewide and 12-14 in our county. I m still struggling with anxiety about my under-12 kid going to school in person. I think living basically anywhere else I’d need to be sedated. It does look like the case rates may have peaked in many of the redder states. I have to hope that fewer cases trickling over from other areas will translate to better control locally. At the same time it’s rather disturbing to wonder what % of red state population has truly been infected to get to that point. Confirmed cases are always going to be an undercount even if you could trust all the state reported numbers.
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Post by busymom on Sept 22, 2021 20:20:40 GMT -5
Well, the virus has officially hit students in our school district. They do have the policy in place that you're supposed to keep your kids home a certain number of days if you find out you've been in contact with anyone who tests positive. We'll see how many cases it takes before they begin to shut things down. The schools here started up the day after Labor Day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 7:11:10 GMT -5
BF's 5-year old grandson was sent home to quarantine yesterday because of one of his classmates tested positive. Parents are vaccinated but he has a sister who's 7 and another who's only 2.
I have a great-niece who was born with an underdeveloped heart chamber. It was detected on the ultrasound and they didn't know if she'd survive the birth but she had open-heart surgery when she was a week old and then 2 more times. She's 8 now, a real pistol who lives a pretty normal life but will always have to be careful of her health. My niece is home-schooling her this year.
I forget which podcast covered this but the percentage of kids in the USA who are home-schooled has doubled in the last year.
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Post by bobosensei on Sept 23, 2021 7:20:59 GMT -5
A guy I graduated high school with has been in the hospital with COVID about 10 days now mostly in the ICU on a vent. Earlier this week he had to have blood and now he’s on dialysis. He has two young daughters. I feel awful for his family but I’m so irritated at old school friends just now getting a vaccine because of this. I mean did they really think this was all lies? We are 39/40 and I thought some of them had half a brain, but apparently not.
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Post by anciana on Sept 23, 2021 12:36:39 GMT -5
I think we are going to need over 90% total pop vaccinated or naturally infected for control. My county is at 74.9% of total population fully vaccinated (88.3% of over-12s fully vaxxed, maybe 97% with one dose). We also have an indoor public area mask mandate and fairly solid protocols for schools (masking, random and directed testing, quarantine policy). All this is good for just keeping us bouncing back and forth between substantial and high levels of transmission. We held out longer than many/most states on the surge, and our peak/plateau has been among the lowest in the country, but it‘s still about 20/100,000/day statewide and 12-14 in our county. I m still struggling with anxiety about my under-12 kid going to school in person. I think living basically anywhere else I’d need to be sedated. It does look like the case rates may have peaked in many of the redder states. I have to hope that fewer cases trickling over from other areas will translate to better control locally. At the same time it’s rather disturbing to wonder what % of red state population has truly been infected to get to that point. Confirmed cases are always going to be an undercount even if you could trust all the state reported numbers. The vaccines for younger kids are coming soon. I am hoping that Pfizer submits to the FDA in the next couple of weeks and then if FDA takes the usual 4 weeks to approve, your son could get the first shot in early November and the second one before Thanksgiving. I know that every day feels like it's super long, I've been there waiting for all the previous approvals. But, at least there are precautions taken at his school, and the high vaccination rate and low cases in your community will keep him safer. Hang in there!
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