January 6th Bomb Exploded

[thyme4change]

Jan 19, 2021 22:00:48 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

Remember Comet Pizza in DC and the pizzagate foolishness? There were protesters there again tonight, and somebody started blaring a RuPaul song. It turned into a dance party, and the protesters gave up and left  

It's not on any news reports yet, but DD alerted me that it's on Twitter.

Here is a story with video.

joseph-morris.com/comet-pizzagate-protest-2021/

[Tennesseer]

Relax by Frankie Goes To Hollywood would have been a good dance song for the Comet patrons too.

[Tennesseer]

Capitol siege highlights powerful pull of conspiracy theories: Experts

On Jan. 6, an angry mob staged a deadly siege at the U.S. Capitol.

The almost unthinkable act, on the day that Congress was ratifying Joe Biden's victory, was based for many on the erroneous belief that the election was "stolen," a notion that President Trump and many of his allies propagated since November (and laid the groundwork for long before).

The only problem was that the assertion was untrue.

Still, President Trump and a number of his congressional allies pushed forward, repeating unfounded assertions that the election was unlawful and irregularities had occurred.

Now -- five deaths and dozens of arrests later -- the nation is left grappling with the very real and harmful effects of conspiracy theories, which have gained larger audiences in recent years.

Who is susceptible and why?

Scientific literature tells us that everyone -- regardless of political leanings -- is equally vulnerable to the pull of conspiracy theories. But in recent years, some dangerous narratives have been given extra oxygen, fueled by the uncertainty of a global pandemic, an unregulated social media landscape and authority figures willing to peddle falsehoods for political gain.

Experts say that feelings like uncertainty and fear create suspicions in people, leading them to search for answers that provide them a feeling of regaining control.

“Psychologically [conspiracy theories] serve to give people a sense that they understand what's happening, because we don't like uncertainty and it's a very scary time," said Dr. Richard Friedman, a professor of clinical psychiatry and the director of the Psychopharmacology Clinic at Weill Cornell Medical College.

The coronavirus pandemic has exacerbated this fear, experts said.

"The virus could strike at any moment to any one person," Friedman said. "If you had a theory that explained exactly what's going on, even if it's bad, you would have an explanation for what was happening, and it will make you feel a little bit better."

Bree McEwan, an associate professor of communication studies at DePaul's College of Communication, said that conspiracy theories help close gaps.

“People are afraid,” said McEwan. “If you have some uncertainty about something and there's a message that seems to fill in that gap, sew in the information for you, you're likely to believe that.”

Complete article here: Capitol siege highlights powerful pull of conspiracy theories: Experts

[billisonboard]

"Make no mistake, there will be a trial and when that trial ends, senators will have to decide if they believe Donald John Trump incited the erection... insurrection against the United States," (Schumer) said.

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"Well, it WAS an uprising!" Bloomberg’s Robert George quipped.

link

[Rukh O'Rorke]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rioter-who-helped-drag-officer-down-us-capitol-steps-tried-to-flee-to-switzerland-feds/ar-BB1d0wRY?li=BBnb7Kz

A man who helped drag a police officer down the U.S. Capitol steps tried to flee to Switzerland after the day of the siege and then, in what authorities called a different type of flight effort, attempted suicide, prosecutors told a judge on Friday.





Jeffrey Patrick Sabol, 51, has not been charged with assault but rather under a civil disorder statute barring any effort to “obstruct, impede, or interfere” law enforcement.

another one for justice to sort out.

[Tiny]

Jan 22, 2021 11:34:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

  

“Psychologically [conspiracy theories] serve to give people a sense that they understand what's happening, because we don't like uncertainty and it's a very scary time," said Dr. Richard Friedman, a professor of clinical psychiatry and the director of the Psychopharmacology Clinic at Weill Cornell Medical College.
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“People are afraid,” said McEwan. “If you have some uncertainty about something and there's a message that seems to fill in that gap, sew in the information for you, you're likely to believe that.”

Complete article here: Capitol siege highlights powerful pull of conspiracy theories: Experts

So you accept something that should sound absurd? Because you are afraid or uncertain or feel powerless/out of control??    

I have to wonder what kind of horrible every day lives these people have.  To think that such horrible stuff is "run of the mill" -  it can't be too much further off than their everyday experiences (which would make it seem less absurd becuase it's not unlike their everyday life).  
 

[billisonboard]

Jan 22, 2021 16:13:07 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Jan 22, 2021 11:34:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

  

“Psychologically [conspiracy theories] serve to give people a sense that they understand what's happening, because we don't like uncertainty and it's a very scary time," said Dr. Richard Friedman, a professor of clinical psychiatry and the director of the Psychopharmacology Clinic at Weill Cornell Medical College.
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“People are afraid,” said McEwan. “If you have some uncertainty about something and there's a message that seems to fill in that gap, sew in the information for you, you're likely to believe that.”

Complete article here: Capitol siege highlights powerful pull of conspiracy theories: Experts

So you accept something that should sound absurd? Because you are afraid or uncertain or feel powerless/out of control??    

I have to wonder what kind of horrible every day lives these people have.  To think that such horrible stuff is "run of the mill" -  it can't be too much further off than their everyday experiences (which would make it seem less absurd becuase it's not unlike their everyday life).  
 

I don't see it as necessary their life be horrible in an extreme sense. I can see it playing like this: "I have done everything right in life. I stayed in high school and graduated like I was told I was supposed to. I didn't get/get anyone pregnant. I got some training/education beyond that. But none of it is paying off the way I think it should. Why? It can't be me. It must be them. How dare they do this to me. I am a great gal/guy. But why be against me?  It has to be that they are evil. Really evil."

[raeoflyte]

Jan 22, 2021 16:13:07 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Jan 22, 2021 11:34:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

  

“Psychologically [conspiracy theories] serve to give people a sense that they understand what's happening, because we don't like uncertainty and it's a very scary time," said Dr. Richard Friedman, a professor of clinical psychiatry and the director of the Psychopharmacology Clinic at Weill Cornell Medical College.
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“People are afraid,” said McEwan. “If you have some uncertainty about something and there's a message that seems to fill in that gap, sew in the information for you, you're likely to believe that.”

Complete article here: Capitol siege highlights powerful pull of conspiracy theories: Experts

So you accept something that should sound absurd? Because you are afraid or uncertain or feel powerless/out of control??    

I have to wonder what kind of horrible every day lives these people have.  To think that such horrible stuff is "run of the mill" -  it can't be too much further off than their everyday experiences (which would make it seem less absurd becuase it's not unlike their everyday life).  
 

I think its lots of people with normal lives dealing with anxiety and/or depression. Unable to turn off the worst case scenario options running through their head.

I swear dh and I start out on the same wavelength but he takes it to these crazy conclusions.

[Opti]

Jan 22, 2021 16:13:07 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Jan 22, 2021 11:34:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

  

“Psychologically [conspiracy theories] serve to give people a sense that they understand what's happening, because we don't like uncertainty and it's a very scary time," said Dr. Richard Friedman, a professor of clinical psychiatry and the director of the Psychopharmacology Clinic at Weill Cornell Medical College.
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“People are afraid,” said McEwan. “If you have some uncertainty about something and there's a message that seems to fill in that gap, sew in the information for you, you're likely to believe that.”

Complete article here: Capitol siege highlights powerful pull of conspiracy theories: Experts

So you accept something that should sound absurd? Because you are afraid or uncertain or feel powerless/out of control??    

I have to wonder what kind of horrible every day lives these people have.  To think that such horrible stuff is "run of the mill" -  it can't be too much further off than their everyday experiences (which would make it seem less absurd becuase it's not unlike their everyday life).  
 

While that may be true for people under stress, I think it does not explain most of the current conspiracy theories. I think its more of a us good, OM how bad are those people! thing.

The Comet Pizza thing is very similar to the fake pedophile politician ring thing. Both are anti-Democrat and they don't lessen uncertainty if anything they increase anxiety. Much like the fake Clinton killing machine theory. I see it more like the death grip on abortion, a way to see yourself as good, without necessarily doing anything good on your own. 

The Sandy Hook never happened conspiracy theory though allows people to do nothing and not worry. That's a bit closer to the expert theories than I think any of these political scary stories.

[geenamercile]

I have a question based kind of on this.


Watkins also seemed to blame Trump for what he said were "months of lies" and "misrepresentations" that were "designed to inflame, enrage, and motivate" the mob on January 6, according to Law & Crime.  www.yahoo.com/news/lawyer-q-shaman-stormed-capitol-133123893.html  and Trump's impeachment. 


If trump is convicted in the senate, will that strengthen the rioters' case that they were only following orders and not be held accountable?    

[tallguy]

If trump is fully impeached (convicted) in the senate....

[geenamercile]

Fixed it for you TG.

[oped]

Jan 23, 2021 11:54:56 GMT -5 geenamercile said:

I have a question based kind of on this.


Watkins also seemed to blame Trump for what he said were "months of lies" and "misrepresentations" that were "designed to inflame, enrage, and motivate" the mob on January 6, according to Law & Crime.  www.yahoo.com/news/lawyer-q-shaman-stormed-capitol-133123893.html  and Trump's impeachment. 


If trump is convicted in the senate, will that strengthen the rioters' case that they were only following orders and not be held accountable?    

That isn’t a valid defense.

[djAdvocate]

this is something that really needs fixing.
40% of the population believes stuff that is verifiably false.

[happyhoix]

Have you noticed how much quieter things have been with Trump’s social media turned off? If we can just keep him off the airwaves, I think the number of citizens who get sucked into these really outlandish conspiracy theories will dwindle. 

Hopefully, more and more of them will suddenly realize that it’s impossible for 50% of the country to be child stealing, demonic cannibals and yet not one of them has ever been caught in the act. 

I mean, if everyone who voted democrat ate kids, there would be no kids anymore, right? 



Unless, I guess, they think the kids they see running around are holograms or robots or something, which, come to think of it, is just exactly what they probably think. 


Sigh. 

[Rukh O'Rorke]

www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/politics/garret-miller-capitol-riot-threaten-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/index.html

The Justice Department revealed new charges against a Texas man who allegedly participated in the Capitol attack and posted online death threats against Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and a US Capitol Police officer.



Garret Miller of Texas faces five criminal charges stemming from the Capitol insurrection, including trespassing offenses and making death threats. Miller allegedly tweeted, "assassinate AOC," according to court documents.

He also said the police officer who fatally shot a Trump supporter during the attack "deserves to die" and won't "survive long" because it's "huntin[g] season."

disgusting

[Rukh O'Rorke]

www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/politics/capitol-riot-andrew-ericson-kevin-strong/index.html

Kevin Strong of California was charged with three crimes related to the attack, including knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building without lawful authority, and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. He confessed to breaching the Capitol in an interview with investigators and was arrested on Friday, according to the Justice Department. Strong told law enforcement he hadn't done any damage or attacked law enforcement, according to the affidavit.


Strong works for the Federal Aviation Administration and is a follower of the QAnon conspiracy movement, according to court documents. A day after the insurrection, an employee in the FAA's internal investigation branch contacted the FBI and reported Strong to law enforcement.


Prosecutors say a tipster told the FBI that Strong has been "stockpiling items and telling others to get ready for martial law." Based on that report, the FBI opened an investigation into Strong on December 30, according to the affidavit. The FBI says it searched Strong's home on January 16 and seized two guns owned by Strong's uncle and multiple digital devices, and that investigators found QAnon items during a search of his home.


Andrew Ericson of Oklahoma, 23, was charged with two misdemeanors related to the attack. Prosecutors say he live-streamed himself entering the Capitol, walking into House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office and taking "what appeared to be a beer out of a refrigerator in an office," according to someone identified in court documents as "Witness 1," who watched the footage and recognized Ericson from a previous professional relationship.


Investigators say they tracked down Ericson after Witness 1 watched his livestream on Snapchat and provided his name to the FBI. Ericson was arrested Friday, according to an FBI affidavit and the Justice Department.

two more

[Rukh O'Rorke]

www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/01/23/teen-jackson-reffitt-capitol-riot-intv-full-cuomo-cpt-vpx.cnn


www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/01/23/teen-jackson-reffitt-capitol-riot-intv-full-cuomo-cpt-vpx.cnn

son turns in father after he low-key threatens to shot his kids if they do turn him in?? Yikes.

[Tennesseer]

Some pretty sick individuals out there.

The interesting thing is some of the delusional trump supporters are now lost in the forest.  trump didn't overturn the election as he said he would and left Washington pretty quietly.  And prior to trump leaving Washington he didn't pardon any and all criminals who stormed and broke into the Capital building.

They don't know what to believe now.  trump left them out in the cold.

[djAdvocate]

the worst leaders- the most evil bastards on Earth- they just leave their followers in the Wild. because there is nothing else for them to do. there is nowhere else to go.

[thyme4change]

I watched Trial of thr Chicago 7 last night. Good movie - I recommend it.

My husband and I had to sketch out whose side we were on, and why it is so different from what happened at the Capitol.

I am not sure I back the protestors in Chicago, but that judge was very problematic!

[Rukh O'Rorke]

www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/us/ohio-army-veteran-capitol-riot/index.html

Woodstock, Ohio (CNN)In her Ohio hometown, she's known as an Army veteran who runs a bar and set up a small self-styled militia her boyfriend says she created to help neighbors if tornadoes hit.



To the FBI, she's a militant leader who traveled to Washington, DC, and stormed the US Capitol, encouraging others to do the same.  

The two worlds of Jessica Watkins crashed into each other in the small village of Woodstock, Ohio, when FBI agents turned up early one morning to arrest her for her alleged role in the January 6 insurrection.

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Watkins is accused, along with two other military veterans, of a multitude of charges: conspiracy, conspiracy to impede an officer, destruction of government property, obstruction of an official proceeding, entering a restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.  

The three veterans were the first to face conspiracy charges, some of the most severe charges so far for those who breached the Capitol on January 6. 

Three more....

[thyme4change]

Jan 23, 2021 20:31:34 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Some pretty sick individuals out there.

The interesting thing is some of the delusional trump supporters are now lost in the forest.  trump didn't overturn the election as he said he would and left Washington pretty quietly.  And prior to trump leaving Washington he didn't pardon any and all criminals who stormed and broke into the Capital building.

They don't know what to believe now.  trump left them out in the cold.

Apparently, flat earthers are making fun of them.

[happyhoix]

Here is another person who needs to face consequences for attempting to subvert the election. 

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/calls-mount-for-republican-rep-scott-perry-to-resign-for-reported-role-in-effort-to-overturn-georgia-election/ar-BB1d31dx

Scott Perry, a GOP PA representative, schemed with a DOJ person who was sympathetic to Trump having the election stolen from him to get Trump to get rid of the acting AG Rosen and replace him with the sympathetic DOJ character - who would then apply pressure to GA state legislators to throw out the 2020 GA presidential vote. 

Perry also voted against certifying the election for Biden.  

A good candidate for the 14th amendment clause, I think.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 24, 2021 12:05:25 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Here is another person who needs to face consequences for attempting to subvert the election. 

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/calls-mount-for-republican-rep-scott-perry-to-resign-for-reported-role-in-effort-to-overturn-georgia-election/ar-BB1d31dx

Scott Perry, a GOP PA representative, schemed with a DOJ person who was sympathetic to Trump having the election stolen from him to get Trump to get rid of the acting AG Rosen and replace him with the sympathetic DOJ character - who would then apply pressure to GA state legislators to throw out the 2020 GA presidential vote. 

Perry also voted against certifying the election for Biden.  

A good candidate for the 14th amendment clause, I think.

And another reason to hold Trump legally accountable for trying to fix the election.

[happyhoix]

Jan 24, 2021 12:08:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 24, 2021 12:05:25 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Here is another person who needs to face consequences for attempting to subvert the election. 

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/calls-mount-for-republican-rep-scott-perry-to-resign-for-reported-role-in-effort-to-overturn-georgia-election/ar-BB1d31dx

Scott Perry, a GOP PA representative, schemed with a DOJ person who was sympathetic to Trump having the election stolen from him to get Trump to get rid of the acting AG Rosen and replace him with the sympathetic DOJ character - who would then apply pressure to GA state legislators to throw out the 2020 GA presidential vote. 

Perry also voted against certifying the election for Biden.  

A good candidate for the 14th amendment clause, I think.

And another reason to hold Trump legally accountable for trying to fix the election.

Can you imagine the shit storm that would happen if someone told Georgia they had to throw out their election vote and redo it - and this time get it ‘right?’ 

Trump claims not to understand how he could have possibly lost - it’s easy. Big suburbs around the metro areas have large populations of non-Southerners and ethic groups that might have voted for every other GOP candidate on the ticket but did not vote for Trump this time (more of them did vote for him in 2016).  If he had any advisors who weren’t scared to be honest with him he would know that. 

[Tennesseer]

Jan 24, 2021 12:37:18 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jan 24, 2021 12:08:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And another reason to hold Trump legally accountable for trying to fix the election.

Can you imagine the shit storm that would happen if someone told Georgia they had to throw out their election vote and redo it - and this time get it ‘right?’ 

Trump claims not to understand how he could have possibly lost - it’s easy. Big suburbs around the metro areas have large populations of non-Southerners and ethic groups that might have voted for every other GOP candidate on the ticket but did not vote for Trump this time (more of them did vote for him in 2016).  If he had any advisors who weren’t scared to be honest with him he would know that. 

trump's approval rating versus Biden's approval rating.

Should have been obvious to the vast majority of voters who would probably win the election without any massive election fraud.

[djAdvocate]

i haven't been able to track this /\ because I usually follow PRESIDENTIAL approval, not personal approval. for example: Obama and Bush were far more liked personally than as a president.

it will be interesting to see where Biden's presidential numbers go.

[happyhoix]

Jan 24, 2021 12:52:19 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 24, 2021 12:37:18 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Can you imagine the shit storm that would happen if someone told Georgia they had to throw out their election vote and redo it - and this time get it ‘right?’ 

Trump claims not to understand how he could have possibly lost - it’s easy. Big suburbs around the metro areas have large populations of non-Southerners and ethic groups that might have voted for every other GOP candidate on the ticket but did not vote for Trump this time (more of them did vote for him in 2016).  If he had any advisors who weren’t scared to be honest with him he would know that. 

trump's approval rating versus Biden's approval rating.

Should have been obvious to the vast majority of voters who would probably win the election without any massive election fraud.

Should have also been obvious that Trump never intended to accept the results of the election by the way he started claiming elections are rigged way back in 2016 when he didn’t win the popular vote.

This was always going to be the outcome if he lost. Not surprising coming from a man who has cheated and bullied his way through life.

His minions can’t see that though.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

(CNN)Federal prosecutors have charged a man in connection to the riot and insurrection at the Capitol on January 6, after a Washington, DC, airport police officer helped identify him.

In an affidavit filed in federal court, a special agent with the US Capitol Police says the man, John Lolos, was identified by a Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority police officer after Lolos was kicked off a Delta flight the afternoon of January 8 at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. The crew had decided to turn the plane around while it was taxiing, according to the agent, because Lolos was causing a disturbance by "continuously yelling 'Trump 2020!'"

www.cnn.com/2021/01/25/politics/capitol-hill-rioter-kicked-off-plane-trnd/index.html

Again, very obliging to make themselves so obvious..