January 6th Bomb Exploded

[chiver78]

Jan 12, 2021 16:10:34 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jan 12, 2021 12:39:55 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I'm watching ABC live news on Hulu right now, and I am soooo sick of all the republicans now calling for peace and moving forward! They are calling to bridge the divide NOW, after 4 years of dividing us, and now they want us to come together?!?! No accountability for what Trump and his minions have done? 


I will never again even try to understand republicans.  They are just too far gone in my opinion.  

On Sunday there was a senator on 60 minutes who had the gall to say that the Dems need to be careful and become good at listening as they should not dismiss the 74m who voted for the Loser.  While that is a valid statement the first thing that came to my mind was so it is NOT ok to dismiss the voice of the minority of voters but it WAS ok to ignore the voice of the majority of voters for the last 4 years? The Repubs with all their bluster just love to ignore that the Loser NEVER won the popular vote and that the Loser and  they trampled all over what the majority would like to see.

Double standard much? 

YASS! a friend of mine posted to FB earlier today...

Donald Trump was only the eleventh incumbent in U.S. history - and the first in 28 years - to run for reelection and lose.

Joe Biden's share of the vote - 51.3% - was the largest won by any challenger to any incumbent since FDR beat Hoover in 1932.

This happened in an election with the highest voter turnout in 120 years.

You'd better stop threatening America with how "angry" you say 74.2 million Trump voters are...

... and start worrying instead that last week's violent insurrection against the United States has left 81.3 million anti-Trump voters a hell of a lot angrier than you.

A hell of a lot angrier.

[billisonboard]

Jan 12, 2021 16:16:10 GMT -5 oped said:

Jan 12, 2021 11:30:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

"Terrorism" is a slippery term easily used to attack those with which a person disagrees. I don't want to see it made a chargeable crime. I could support a well written law which allows for it to be used as a sentence enhancer much like "hate" is currently used.

And FWIW, I don't think the attack on the Capital was "terrorism". I think it was a straight forward attempt to overthrow the government of the United States.

Grrr... you always make me go back to look for sources... but I was reading where a GOP congressman went home expecting questions of concern about how he was doing, and instead was asked.. do you think congress got the message? 

Also that some of the members who voted against accepting electoral votes did so because they were afraid for their families if they did not. 

And McCarthy told his members not to speak out against gop who vote for impeachment because it could get them killed.

so I’m going with terrorists.

I'm getting there with you as I hear more. Thanks for your part in that.

[oped]

Chiver can you repost that so I can repost that?

[chiver78]

Jan 12, 2021 17:26:08 GMT -5 oped said:

Chiver can you repost that so I can repost that?

he rarely makes posts public. please feel free to copy/paste.

[happyhoix]

So the mommas of some of the terrorists arrested for assaulting our democracy would like you to know their babies are very nice boys. ‘

www.salon.com/2021/01/12/capitol-riot-moms-stand-behind--or-alongside--their-sons/

One actually went to DC and stormed the capital with him. - another is worried her baby won’t get organic food in prison and he feels bad when he doesn’t eat organic food. 

This is probably my favorite idiot mom story, though. 

thehill.com/homenews/534092-teen-publicly-identified-family-members-who-were-in-DC-for-protests

[djAdvocate]

all moms think their boys are nice kids.
possibly because it reflects badly on them if they are evil fucks.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jan 13, 2021 18:43:46 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So the mommas of some of the terrorists arrested for assaulting our democracy would like you to know their babies are very nice boys. ‘

www.salon.com/2021/01/12/capitol-riot-moms-stand-behind--or-alongside--their-sons/

One actually went to DC and stormed the capital with him. - another is worried her baby won’t get organic food in prison and he feels bad when he doesn’t eat organic food. 

This is probably my favorite idiot mom story, though. 

thehill.com/homenews/534092-teen-publicly-identified-family-members-who-were-in-DC-for-protests

Mamas don't let your sons grow up to be terrorists.

[kadee79]

Jan 13, 2021 20:06:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

all moms think their boys are nice kids.
possibly because it reflects badly on them if they are evil fucks.

My son is nice in some respects but he is stupid in politics...and it isn't my fault, I raised him right.  The military did it to him while he was in.  He retired from the Navy.  They brainwashed him!!!

[djAdvocate]

Jan 13, 2021 21:59:17 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Jan 13, 2021 20:06:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

all moms think their boys are nice kids.
possibly because it reflects badly on them if they are evil fucks.

My son is nice in some respects but he is stupid in politics...and it isn't my fault, I raised him right.  The military did it to him while he was in.  He retired from the Navy.  They brainwashed him!!!

military folks get dipped in the sauce pretty good.

it is hard to think straight after that.

[Opti]

I wonder how many violent Trump protestors we are going to find out about in the future? 

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/arkansas-man-accused-of-beating-officer-with-american-flag-at-u-s-capitol/ar-BB1cLgwU?ocid=msedgntp

An officer wearing his official police uniform stood in an archway to prevent a group from breaching the Capitol.



Some people grabbed the officer and dragged him down the stairs. They forced him into a prone position and hit him repeatedly in the head and body with various objects.



This incident was captured on videos, which were posted on Twitter. Witnesses identified Peter Francis Stager from the videos, according to the court documents.



One video shows Stager using an American flag to repeatedly strike the officer, the document states.

[Opti]

This is funnier, kind of...


But the former mayor of New York City claims he didn't mean to incite violence with references to literal combat — he was simply channeling Tyrion Lannister.

"I was referencing the kind of trial that took place for Tyrion in that very famous documentary about fictitious medieval England," Giuliani told The Hill's White House reporter Brett Samuels. "When Tyrion, who is a very small man, is accused of murder. He didn't commit murder, he can't defend himself, and he hires a champion to defend him."



When Samuels asked whether he was referring to "Game of Thrones," which is certainly not a documentary, as Giuliani rather concerningly referred to HBO's medieval fantasy series based on the books by George R.R. Martin, Giuliani said "100 percent."



(For those who haven't seen the series, Tyrion Lannister, played by Peter Dinklage, spoke of a "trial by combat" twice in the show. Once in Season 1 while he was on trial at the Eyrie, and in Season 4 when he was on trial again at the Red Keep. Both instances resulted in violence).

www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/rudy-giuliani-says-tyrion-from-game-of-thrones-inspired-us-capitol-speech/ar-BB1cL9sL?ocid=msedgntp

[dondub]

Rudy is also a “very small man”.

[Opti]

This might be fire extinguisher guy. Article seems vague on purpose.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/retired-firefighter-charged-with-beating-three-capitol-police-with-extinguisher-during-capitol-insurrection/ar-BB1cLgVA?ocid=msedgntp

Federal prosecutors have charged Robert Sanford, a 55-year-old from Pennsylvania, with four federal charges, including allegations that he assaulted three Capitol Police officers by hitting them in the head with a fire extinguisher.



Sanford can be seen in photographs wearing a “CFD” hat, referring to the Keystone State’s Chester Fire Department.

[happyhoix]

Jan 14, 2021 18:46:28 GMT -5 Opti said:

This might be fire extinguisher guy. Article seems vague on purpose.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/retired-firefighter-charged-with-beating-three-capitol-police-with-extinguisher-during-capitol-insurrection/ar-BB1cLgVA?ocid=msedgntp

Federal prosecutors have charged Robert Sanford, a 55-year-old from Pennsylvania, with four federal charges, including allegations that he assaulted three Capitol Police officers by hitting them in the head with a fire extinguisher.



Sanford can be seen in photographs wearing a “CFD” hat, referring to the Keystone State’s Chester Fire Department.

This is ‘a fire extinguisher guy’ but not ‘the fire extinguisher guy’ he wasn’t the guy who killed the officer.

But beating officers is enough- hope he has serious consequences.

[happyhoix]

Jan 14, 2021 17:38:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

This is funnier, kind of...


But the former mayor of New York City claims he didn't mean to incite violence with references to literal combat — he was simply channeling Tyrion Lannister.

"I was referencing the kind of trial that took place for Tyrion in that very famous documentary about fictitious medieval England," Giuliani told The Hill's White House reporter Brett Samuels. "When Tyrion, who is a very small man, is accused of murder. He didn't commit murder, he can't defend himself, and he hires a champion to defend him."



When Samuels asked whether he was referring to "Game of Thrones," which is certainly not a documentary, as Giuliani rather concerningly referred to HBO's medieval fantasy series based on the books by George R.R. Martin, Giuliani said "100 percent."



(For those who haven't seen the series, Tyrion Lannister, played by Peter Dinklage, spoke of a "trial by combat" twice in the show. Once in Season 1 while he was on trial at the Eyrie, and in Season 4 when he was on trial again at the Red Keep. Both instances resulted in violence).

www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/rudy-giuliani-says-tyrion-from-game-of-thrones-inspired-us-capitol-speech/ar-BB1cL9sL?ocid=msedgntp

For those who haven’t seen this show, it has dragons and a kind of snow zombie- if Giuliani really thinks this is a history of Britain it proves he’s got dementia problems.

As if we need extra proof.

[Opti]

Video in this link shows the fire extinguisher toss.

patch.com/pennsylvania/haverford/ex-delco-firefighter-arrested-attacking-officer-capitol

[billisonboard]

Jan 14, 2021 17:38:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

This is funnier, kind of...


But the former mayor of New York City claims he didn't mean to incite violence with references to literal combat — he was simply channeling Tyrion Lannister.

"I was referencing the kind of trial that took place for Tyrion in that very famous documentary about fictitious medieval England," Giuliani told The Hill's White House reporter Brett Samuels. "When Tyrion, who is a very small man, is accused of murder. He didn't commit murder, he can't defend himself, and he hires a champion to defend him."



When Samuels asked whether he was referring to "Game of Thrones," which is certainly not a documentary, as Giuliani rather concerningly referred to HBO's medieval fantasy series based on the books by George R.R. Martin, Giuliani said "100 percent."



(For those who haven't seen the series, Tyrion Lannister, played by Peter Dinklage, spoke of a "trial by combat" twice in the show. Once in Season 1 while he was on trial at the Eyrie, and in Season 4 when he was on trial again at the Red Keep. Both instances resulted in violence).

www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/rudy-giuliani-says-tyrion-from-game-of-thrones-inspired-us-capitol-speech/ar-BB1cL9sL?ocid=msedgntp

No wonder Trump is unhappy with Giuliani, him telling the crowd they need to fight in a trial by combat because little man Trump can't defend himself.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Why the hell would you sit there and use the He was only joking defense?! Like they guy on CNN said this morning what is wrong with you people?!


I get he is entitled to representation but REALLY?  I'm surprised the claim wasn't made that the prosecutors are snowflakes.   In all your lawerly expertise that's what you go with.

If I was the judge I might have thrown my gavel at the lawyer.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 14, 2021 18:15:19 GMT -5 dondub said:

Rudy is also a “very small man”.

he has lost so much stature it is a wonder he is visible.

[Tennesseer]

Dozens of people on the FBI's terrorists watchlist were in DC during the siege on the Capitol showing yet another security failure

Dozens of people on the FBI's terrorist watchlist were in Washington, DC, during the siege on the Capitol last week, The Washington Post reported.

The FBI warned some on the list not to go, but dozens still went.

It's not clear if any of those already arrested for charges relating to the ransacking of the Capitol were on the FBI list.

Dozens on the Federal Bureau of Investigation's terrorist watchlist - mainly those categorized as white supremacists - were in Washington, DC, on the day the Capitol was stormed, The Washington Post reported.

The new information comes after it was found that a January 5 FBI report had warned that pro-Trump insurrectionists were planning to wage a "war" at the US Capitol the next day.

On January 6, supporters of President Donald Trump breached the Capitol and clashed with law enforcement, halting the joint session of Congress as lawmakers were debating challenges to electoral votes. Five people died, including a Capitol Police officer and a woman who was shot by law-enforcement officials.

One week later, Trump became the only president in US history to be impeached twice after the House of Representatives brought forth an article of impeachment against him on a charge of "incitement of insurrection."

FBI agents had visited some suspected extremists on the list and advised them not to travel to the Capitol ahead of the certification, but dozens still did so, The Post reported.

Complete article here: Dozens of people on the FBI's terrorists watchlist were in DC during the siege on the Capitol showing yet another security failure

[tbop77]

Senator Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) has suggested delaying the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden until the COVID-19 pandemic is under better control—a move that would violate the U.S. Constitution.


"We probably could have had a swearing-in and inauguration later after we got this virus behind us a little bit. Again, we're talking about Washington, D.C," the senator added.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tommy-tuberville-wants-joe-biden-inauguration-delayed-until-covid-behind-us/ar-BB1cModB?ocid=msedgntp

Which one ticks me off more?  They ignored the virus which has caused death and destruction to our country...or the party of Trump cares so little about the constitution.  

[Opti]

Jan 15, 2021 6:52:34 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Senator Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) has suggested delaying the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden until the COVID-19 pandemic is under better control—a move that would violate the U.S. Constitution.


"We probably could have had a swearing-in and inauguration later after we got this virus behind us a little bit. Again, we're talking about Washington, D.C," the senator added.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tommy-tuberville-wants-joe-biden-inauguration-delayed-until-covid-behind-us/ar-BB1cModB?ocid=msedgntp

Which one ticks me off more?  They ignored the virus which has caused death and destruction to our country...or the party of Trump cares so little about the constitution.  

He's a Trump loyalist. They don't care about reality or generally even dealing with the pandemic. Its just an excuse he came up with to keep Trump and to humor him.

[pulmonarymd]

Jan 15, 2021 6:52:34 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Senator Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) has suggested delaying the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden until the COVID-19 pandemic is under better control—a move that would violate the U.S. Constitution.


"We probably could have had a swearing-in and inauguration later after we got this virus behind us a little bit. Again, we're talking about Washington, D.C," the senator added.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tommy-tuberville-wants-joe-biden-inauguration-delayed-until-covid-behind-us/ar-BB1cModB?ocid=msedgntp

Which one ticks me off more?  They ignored the virus which has caused death and destruction to our country...or the party of Trump cares so little about the constitution.  

There's a pandemic? Who knew. Listening to Republicans you would think it is perfect out there. Maybe he should mention that to the other republicans in Congress, you know, the ones who still refuse to wear a mask. Maybe they will listen to the idiot freshman senator. 

Sorry, you do not get to ignore, downplay, mismanage, and exacerbate a pandemic, then use your incompetence to your advantage. And read the Fucking constitution if you plan to run for Congress!

[thyme4change]

Jan 15, 2021 6:52:34 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Senator Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) has suggested delaying the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden until the COVID-19 pandemic is under better control—a move that would violate the U.S. Constitution.


"We probably could have had a swearing-in and inauguration later after we got this virus behind us a little bit. Again, we're talking about Washington, D.C," the senator added.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tommy-tuberville-wants-joe-biden-inauguration-delayed-until-covid-behind-us/ar-BB1cModB?ocid=msedgntp

Which one ticks me off more?  They ignored the virus which has caused death and destruction to our country...or the party of Trump cares so little about the constitution.  

Unity now! **

**Unless we can still get our way and do whatever the fuck we want. Then screw unity and screw you.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Federal prosecutors offered the most chilling description yet of rioters who seized the Capitol last week, writing in a new court filing that the intention was "to capture and assassinate elected officials."



The view was included in a memo seeking to keep Jacob Anthony Chansley, who rallied people inside the Capitol using a bullhorn, in detention. According to Capitol Police information included in the filing, Chansley was notable for his headdress, face paint and carrying of a six-foot spear.



"Strong evidence, including Chansley's own words and actions at the Capitol, supports that the intent of the Capitol rioters was to capture and assassinate elected officials in the United States government," government prosecutors wrote.

www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/capitol-capture-assassinate-elected-officials/index.html

[chiver78]

CNN has a link to the filing, my phone downloaded a pdf, and I haven't figured out how to share. I encourage you to find and read it. there is some very strong language in it. 😳


ETA: here's the link - Government's Brief in Support of Detention

[Tennesseer]

Jan 14, 2021 18:59:38 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jan 14, 2021 18:46:28 GMT -5 Opti said:

This might be fire extinguisher guy. Article seems vague on purpose.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/retired-firefighter-charged-with-beating-three-capitol-police-with-extinguisher-during-capitol-insurrection/ar-BB1cLgVA?ocid=msedgntp

Federal prosecutors have charged Robert Sanford, a 55-year-old from Pennsylvania, with four federal charges, including allegations that he assaulted three Capitol Police officers by hitting them in the head with a fire extinguisher.



Sanford can be seen in photographs wearing a “CFD” hat, referring to the Keystone State’s Chester Fire Department.

This is ‘a fire extinguisher guy’ but not ‘the fire extinguisher guy’ he wasn’t the guy who killed the officer.

But beating officers is enough- hope he has serious consequences.

I wonder how the fire extinguisher ended up in the hands of the protestor in the first place.

[Tennesseer]

Longtime Trump advisers connected to groups behind rally that led to Capitol attack

Three of the key advisers who helped engineer Donald Trump's' rise to the presidency in 2016, and who fell from grace under the weight of federal criminal charges, resurfaced during Trump's final days in office to help engineer his ill-fated attempt to cling to power.

Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn all participated in efforts to promote the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" event that ultimately devolved into a riotous and deadly melee at the United States Capitol, leaving five dead and causing Trump to become the only president to be impeached for a second time.

While none of them spoke at the actual rally, Stone whipped up a crowd of Trump supporters in Washington the night before, telling them the president's enemies sought "nothing less than the heist of the 2020 election."

"And we say, No way!" Stone said at the Jan. 5 rally.

Flynn promoted the so-called "Jericho March," a rally of Christians to "pray, march, fast, and rally for election integrity," according to the group's website, that also took place on Jan. 6 in the shadow of the Capitol. In the weeks leading up to the event, Flynn told his supporters that they would "need to be fearless as Americans."

Speaking at a Dec. 12 rally in Washington to promote the Trump effort to overturn the election, Flynn told supporters they had reached a "crucible moment" and "there has to be sacrifice."

"We're in a battle … for the heart and soul of the country," Flynn said. "We will win."

Complete article here: Longtime Trump advisers connected to groups behind rally that led to Capitol attack

[Tennesseer]

The U.S. Capitol Riot Was Years in the Making. Here's Why America Is So Divided

There is no advanced industrial democracy in the world more politically divided, or politically dysfunctional, than the United States today. How did the world’s most powerful country get to this point? To paraphrase a great American writer—slowly, then suddenly. The Capitol riot was not just years in the making, but decades. That’s because of three distinct features of American society that have been ignored by U.S. politicians for far too long: the enduring legacy of race, the changing nature of capitalism, and the fracturing of our collective media landscape.

Begin with race; the U.S. is far from unique in having a troubled history with race relations. But it has been particularly slow to address the structural legacy of that racism—it took nearly a century following the end of the Civil War for the 1964 Civil Rights Act to get passed, to cite just one example. Steps have been taken in recent decades to begin addressing this legacy in earnest, from anti-discrimination laws to affirmative action efforts. It has worked to bring Black Americans toward a more even footing, even paving the way for the U.S. to elect its first Black president. But as the Black Lives Matter protests this past summer made all too clear there is still much work left unfinished.

And that’s only part of the story. The other part is the backlash, as a group of white Americans—many of them white rural—are seeing their status in society threatened as a result of demographics and the recent racial reckoning. That has manifested itself both in politics—see redistricting and voter suppression schemes—as well as the violence we witnessed at the Capitol. While this anxiety has economic elements (more about that in a bit), it is best understood in terms of broader identity (and if you haven’t read Isabel Wilkerson’s Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents, you should). Years in the making, these feelings of resentment hit a fever pitch in the Trump years, culminating in last week’s deadly riot. To be clear, the U.S. is not the only country that has to deal with elements of racism in their populist movements—plenty of European countries can attest to that. But given the structural way racism has been woven into the country’s fabric combined with years of neglecting the problem, race relations have contributed mightily to the current state of U.S. political affairs.

Then there is the evolving nature of capitalism:...

Complete article here: link

[Opti]

Interesting article Tenn. I do think social media platforms have hastened the problems by their likes and engagement design. I also agree with this-


Like the 2016 proliferation of European "fake news" sites aiming to generate advertising traffic by inventing hoax political stories, Q conspiracies have been tailored to American conservative tastes because American conservatives are the richest (read: most gullible) targets. Fox News conservatives have been fed decades of tawdry but false information, all packaged with advertising pitches to buy gold, or "survival" equipment, or hyper-expensive pills sold through conservative mailing lists and on conservative programs relentlessly. It is an audience of laboratory-grown suckers, people who have been whittled down over the years to a base of the most credulous, and therefore profitable, marks.


www.alternet.org/2020/10/the-q-movement-is-a-pro-terrorist-trumpian-cult/