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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 11, 2021 21:29:16 GMT -5
sounds like another impeachment is in order. my expectations are low for it though. I really worry that biden is going to gloss over things and try to get to unity and that it will be something that in retrospect was a terrible decision. I hope I am wrong - about both parts. Biden is aware that this is a congressional matter. the only thing he is pushing for is bifurcation. look it up.  I'm pretty sure that's a dental term, but ok I'll look for it.... |
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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 12, 2021 10:16:00 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time with the idea that a week has past and we have so little to show for it. Some arrests, but mostly everything new is just how much worse it was than we thought last Wednesday.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 12, 2021 10:30:41 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time with the idea that a week has past and we have so little to show for it. Some arrests, but mostly everything new is just how much worse it was than we thought last Wednesday. Once you lance the abscess, the pus oozes out slowly.... |
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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 12, 2021 10:44:36 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time with the idea that a week has past and we have so little to show for it. Some arrests, but mostly everything new is just how much worse it was than we thought last Wednesday. Once you lance the abscess, the pus oozes out slowly.... True, but have we lanced? |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 12, 2021 10:49:14 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time with the idea that a week has past and we have so little to show for it. Some arrests, but mostly everything new is just how much worse it was than we thought last Wednesday. Once you lance the abscess, the pus oozes out slowly.... Though I refuse to watch it, lancing abcesses is reminding me of the TLC(?) show Dr. Pimple Popper. |
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Post by bean29 on Jan 12, 2021 11:07:56 GMT -5
What they should do is pass a domestic terrorism law so that if there are armed protests that get out of hand in the states, they can charge the participants with Terrorism. I think it was MSNBC (Morning Joe) had Frank Flaguzzi (? sp) on this am, and he mentioned that we do not have a domestic terrorism law - which might be why the charges seem light for what they were attempting to do.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 12, 2021 11:30:11 GMT -5
What they should do is pass a domestic terrorism law so that if there are armed protests that get out of hand in the states, they can charge the participants with Terrorism. I think it was MSNBC (Morning Joe) had Frank Flaguzzi (? sp) on this am, and he mentioned that we do not have a domestic terrorism law - which might be why the charges seem light for what they were attempting to do. "Terrorism" is a slippery term easily used to attack those with which a person disagrees. I don't want to see it made a chargeable crime. I could support a well written law which allows for it to be used as a sentence enhancer much like "hate" is currently used. And FWIW, I don't think the attack on the Capital was "terrorism". I think it was a straight forward attempt to overthrow the government of the United States. |
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Jan 12, 2021 11:50:32 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time with the idea that a week has past and we have so little to show for it. Some arrests, but mostly everything new is just how much worse it was than we thought last Wednesday. Once you lance the abscess, the pus oozes out slowly.... <MPL sets aside her yogurt> |
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Post by Tiny on Jan 12, 2021 12:01:27 GMT -5
What they should do is pass a domestic terrorism law so that if there are armed protests that get out of hand in the states, they can charge the participants with Terrorism. I think it was MSNBC (Morning Joe) had Frank Flaguzzi (? sp) on this am, and he mentioned that we do not have a domestic terrorism law - which might be why the charges seem light for what they were attempting to do. I wouldn't call what happened at the Capitol terrorism. I think that was an attempt to over throw the government. I also don't think we need a domestic terrorism law. I don't think the BLM looters/rioters were terrorists. I don't think Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist. He's committed murder and guilty of hate crime(s). I don't think the next bunch of looters/rioters or just plain old "lets damage public property because we WON!!" people who go on a spree when their home town Sports Ball team wins are terrorists. Nor do I think protestors who get into fights or who are arrested are terrorists. What happened at the Capitol wasn't a "protest" gone bad. I have never been to or witnessed on TV a "protest" (on public property/government property) that looked like what happened at the Capitol. That was an attempt to over throw the government. It was a coup attempt by trump. They weren't terrorists. |
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 12, 2021 12:13:00 GMT -5
What they should do is pass a domestic terrorism law so that if there are armed protests that get out of hand in the states, they can charge the participants with Terrorism. I think it was MSNBC (Morning Joe) had Frank Flaguzzi (? sp) on this am, and he mentioned that we do not have a domestic terrorism law - which might be why the charges seem light for what they were attempting to do. I wouldn't call what happened at the Capitol terrorism. I think that was an attempt to over throw the government. I also don't think we need a domestic terrorism law. I don't think the BLM looters/rioters were terrorists. I don't think Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist. He's committed murder and guilty of hate crime(s). I don't think the next bunch of looters/rioters or just plain old "lets damage public property because we WON!!" people who go on a spree when their home town Sports Ball team wins are terrorists. Nor do I think protestors who get into fights or who are arrested are terrorists. What happened at the Capitol wasn't a "protest" gone bad. I have never been to or witnessed on TV a "protest" (on public property/government property) that looked like what happened at the Capitol. That was an attempt to over throw the government. It was a coup attempt by trump. They weren't terrorists. Certainly vandals celebrating a team win are not terrorists. The rest seem debatable.  |
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 12, 2021 12:21:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't call what happened at the Capitol terrorism. I think that was an attempt to over throw the government. I also don't think we need a domestic terrorism law. I don't think the BLM looters/rioters were terrorists. I don't think Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist. He's committed murder and guilty of hate crime(s). I don't think the next bunch of looters/rioters or just plain old "lets damage public property because we WON!!" people who go on a spree when their home town Sports Ball team wins are terrorists. Nor do I think protestors who get into fights or who are arrested are terrorists. What happened at the Capitol wasn't a "protest" gone bad. I have never been to or witnessed on TV a "protest" (on public property/government property) that looked like what happened at the Capitol. That was an attempt to over throw the government. It was a coup attempt by trump. They weren't terrorists. Certainly vandals celebrating a team win are not terrorists. The rest seem debatable.  I agree that it is debatable. That becomes the issue. Intimidation and violence are already crimes. Prosecute people for those crimes and don't get into the realm of politics in a criminal case. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 12, 2021 12:39:05 GMT -5
What they should do is pass a domestic terrorism law so that if there are armed protests that get out of hand in the states, they can charge the participants with Terrorism. I think it was MSNBC (Morning Joe) had Frank Flaguzzi (? sp) on this am, and he mentioned that we do not have a domestic terrorism law - which might be why the charges seem light for what they were attempting to do. "Terrorism" is a slippery term easily used to attack those with which a person disagrees. I don't want to see it made a chargeable crime. I could support a well written law which allows for it to be used as a sentence enhancer much like "hate" is currently used. And FWIW, I don't think the attack on the Capital was "terrorism". I think it was a straight forward attempt to overthrow the government of the United States. I think it was both.
edit: having said that, I find the term very troublesome, and highly questionable in terms of how it is defined. i think terrorism is a tactic of war, as well. governments do it, too, not just civilians.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jan 12, 2021 12:39:55 GMT -5
I'm watching ABC live news on Hulu right now, and I am soooo sick of all the republicans now calling for peace and moving forward! They are calling to bridge the divide NOW, after 4 years of dividing us, and now they want us to come together?!?! No accountability for what Trump and his minions have done?
I will never again even try to understand republicans. They are just too far gone in my opinion.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 12, 2021 12:43:15 GMT -5
yeah, fuck that. they are not the party of peace. they are the party of destruction and agitation.
we are not moving on until we have spent some time on this.
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Post by swamp on Jan 12, 2021 12:45:09 GMT -5
It’s not over. Round 2 is Inauguration Day.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 12, 2021 12:59:26 GMT -5
It’s not over. Round 2 is Inauguration Day. if you don't count the 20000 lies that preceded round one. |
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 12, 2021 13:02:06 GMT -5
It’s not over. Round 2 is Inauguration Day. Although I keep hearing about the 16th. I am thinking "overthrow the government on Saturday, church on Sunday, barbecue on MLK, JR. Monday, back to work Tuesday, watch President Trump be inaugurated Wednesday. Life is good.".  |
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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 12, 2021 13:14:56 GMT -5
Trump is saying his speech that day to rioters was totally appropriate. Why is he allowed to answer questions or fly around the country right now? What measures are in place to control him? It's disgusting.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 12, 2021 14:02:58 GMT -5
Trump is saying his speech that day to rioters was totally appropriate. Why is he allowed to answer questions or fly around the country right now? What measures are in place to control him? It's disgusting. he thinks everything he did is perfect. that's him.
it is up to the rest of us to show him it is not perfect. not even close.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 12, 2021 14:27:51 GMT -5
Trump is saying his speech that day to rioters was totally appropriate. Why is he allowed to answer questions or fly around the country right now? What measures are in place to control him? It's disgusting. he thinks everything he did is perfect. that's him.
it is up to the rest of us to show him it is not perfect. not even close.
That’s impossible. Trump is not capable of self reflection or accepting blame. Nothing is ever his fault, every thing he does is wonderful. Anyone who thinks otherwise has something wrong with them. Pointless to argue with him. We just need to relegate him somewhere out of the way so we can forget him. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 12, 2021 14:30:20 GMT -5
he thinks everything he did is perfect. that's him.
it is up to the rest of us to show him it is not perfect. not even close.
That’s impossible. Trump is not capable of self reflection or accepting blame. Nothing is ever his fault, every thing he does is wonderful. Anyone who thinks otherwise has something wrong with them. Pointless to argue with him. We just need to relegate him somewhere out of the way so we can forget him. sorry, I was a little vague there.
by "him", I meant "him and his followers". and by "show" I meant enforce the laws and never let them forget.
they don't need to learn a fucking thing. they need to have the book thrown at them.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 12, 2021 14:38:19 GMT -5
I'm watching ABC live news on Hulu right now, and I am soooo sick of all the republicans now calling for peace and moving forward! They are calling to bridge the divide NOW, after 4 years of dividing us, and now they want us to come together?!?! No accountability for what Trump and his minions have done? I will never again even try to understand republicans. They are just too far gone in my opinion. has this been a trend? Everytime they take something away, then it is oh- lets work together now (if they need cooperation) then it is raming whatever we want down everyone's throat (when they have the votes to do it). My only real hope on this is Nancy. She is on top of this and moving like lightning while everyone else is in slow motion. I had to look up her age. 80. Incredible. Yes. Let's move forward and prosecute every last one of them. civilians, military, politicians who aided and abetted. These people were out to kill the VP and speaker of house! Wake up! |
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 12, 2021 15:59:11 GMT -5
I'm watching ABC live news on Hulu right now, and I am soooo sick of all the republicans now calling for peace and moving forward! They are calling to bridge the divide NOW, after 4 years of dividing us, and now they want us to come together?!?! No accountability for what Trump and his minions have done? I will never again even try to understand republicans. They are just too far gone in my opinion. It's more than four years. Remember when they were hell-bent on opposing EVERYTHING Obama did? Now they want to "bridge the divide"? Pull my other leg. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 12, 2021 16:01:01 GMT -5
he thinks everything he did is perfect. that's him.
it is up to the rest of us to show him it is not perfect. not even close.
That’s impossible. Trump is not capable of self reflection or accepting blame. Nothing is ever his fault, every thing he does is wonderful. Anyone who thinks otherwise has something wrong with them. Pointless to argue with him. We just need to relegate him somewhere out of the way so we can forget him. From his comments this morning, this is absolutely true. He doesn't get it. |
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 12, 2021 16:10:34 GMT -5
I'm watching ABC live news on Hulu right now, and I am soooo sick of all the republicans now calling for peace and moving forward! They are calling to bridge the divide NOW, after 4 years of dividing us, and now they want us to come together?!?! No accountability for what Trump and his minions have done? I will never again even try to understand republicans. They are just too far gone in my opinion. On Sunday there was a senator on 60 minutes who had the gall to say that the Dems need to be careful and become good at listening as they should not dismiss the 74m who voted for the Loser. While that is a valid statement the first thing that came to my mind was so it is NOT ok to dismiss the voice of the minority of voters but it WAS ok to ignore the voice of the majority of voters for the last 4 years? The Repubs with all their bluster just love to ignore that the Loser NEVER won the popular vote and that the Loser and they trampled all over what the majority would like to see. Double standard much? |
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Post by oped on Jan 12, 2021 16:16:10 GMT -5
What they should do is pass a domestic terrorism law so that if there are armed protests that get out of hand in the states, they can charge the participants with Terrorism. I think it was MSNBC (Morning Joe) had Frank Flaguzzi (? sp) on this am, and he mentioned that we do not have a domestic terrorism law - which might be why the charges seem light for what they were attempting to do. "Terrorism" is a slippery term easily used to attack those with which a person disagrees. I don't want to see it made a chargeable crime. I could support a well written law which allows for it to be used as a sentence enhancer much like "hate" is currently used. And FWIW, I don't think the attack on the Capital was "terrorism". I think it was a straight forward attempt to overthrow the government of the United States. Grrr... you always make me go back to look for sources... but I was reading where a GOP congressman went home expecting questions of concern about how he was doing, and instead was asked.. do you think congress got the message? Also that some of the members who voted against accepting electoral votes did so because they were afraid for their families if they did not. And McCarthy told his members not to speak out against gop who vote for impeachment because it could get them killed. so I’m going with terrorists. |
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Post by oped on Jan 12, 2021 16:17:19 GMT -5
GOP is basically saying all over today that impeachment will cause violence. Meaning do what we want or...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 12, 2021 16:52:01 GMT -5
I'm watching ABC live news on Hulu right now, and I am soooo sick of all the republicans now calling for peace and moving forward! They are calling to bridge the divide NOW, after 4 years of dividing us, and now they want us to come together?!?! No accountability for what Trump and his minions have done? I will never again even try to understand republicans. They are just too far gone in my opinion. On Sunday there was a senator on 60 minutes who had the gall to say that the Dems need to be careful and become good at listening as they should not dismiss the 74m who voted for the Loser. While that is a valid statement the first thing that came to my mind was so it is NOT ok to dismiss the voice of the minority of voters but it WAS ok to ignore the voice of the majority of voters for the last 4 years? The Repubs with all their bluster just love to ignore that the Loser NEVER won the popular vote and that the Loser and they trampled all over what the majority would like to see. Double standard much? no. this is not a moment for empathizing with the 74M. this is a moment for taking back the middle ground, and holding it.
the 74M voted for an extremist, and they need to understand how dangerous that vote was. sucking up to them is NOT how we do that.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 12, 2021 16:58:58 GMT -5
GOP is basically saying all over today that impeachment will cause violence. Meaning do what we want or... A bit to late for that... they do not get to get away Scott free from this, him more than anyone else. |
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