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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 26, 2022 17:53:05 GMT -5
trump will just think it away for stone.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 27, 2022 23:06:30 GMT -5
‘I hope you suffer’: Ex-D.C. officer confronts Jan. 6 attacker in courtKyle Young was sentenced to seven years and two months in prison for the attack on police officer Michael Fanone, who was dragged into the mob and beaten A member of the mob that launched a series of violent attacks on police — including D.C. officer Michael Fanone — in a tunnel under the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, apologized Tuesday as a judge sentenced him to seven years and two months in prison. Kyle Young, 38, is the first rioter to be sentenced for the group attack on Fanone, who was dragged into the mob, beaten and electrocuted until he suffered a heart attack and lost consciousness. “You were a one-man wrecking ball that day,” Judge Amy Berman Jackson said. “You were the violence.” Fanone resigned from the D.C. police late last year, saying fellow officers turned on him for speaking so publicly about the Capitol attack and former president Donald Trump’s role in it. In court Tuesday, Fanone directly confronted his attacker, telling Young, “I hope you suffer.” “The assault on me by Mr. Young cost me my career,” Fanone said. “It cost me my faith in law enforcement and many of the institutions I dedicated two decades of my life to serving.” Rest of article here: ‘I hope you suffer’: Ex-D.C. officer confronts Jan. 6 attacker in court
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Post by Opti on Sept 28, 2022 2:10:31 GMT -5
So awful those officers who were attacked were not mostly supported by their peers.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 28, 2022 6:30:16 GMT -5
Stone says it’s a deep state fake video - that never even happened. Spoken in true MAGA fashion.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2022 10:59:06 GMT -5
they can use voice recognition software to prove him wrong. fortunately for the prosecution, he blabbers all the time. they can match it word for word. it will be like having a handprint rather than a fingerprint.
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Oath Keepers trial: A 1800s-inspired defense meets most significant Jan. 6 prosecution yetStewart Rhodes and others from the Oath Keepers, the armed paramilitary organization he founded, begin their trial this week in one of the most high-profile prosecutions to emerge from the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. The stakes are high for the federal government, which seeks to make the case not only that Rhodes and the others helped lead the attack on Jan. 6, 2021, but that they did so as the apogee of a conspiracy they had been planning for months or years. Specifically, Rhodes and others are accused of attempting to oppose by force the peaceful transition of presidential power by disrupting Congress as it certified the results of the 2020 election. That conspiracy, prosecutors allege, involved training, communication and firearms. While hundreds of Jan. 6 prosecutions and plea agreements have dozens of people to prison with typical sentences of just a few weeks, the Oath Keepers trial, scheduled to last six to seven weeks, could see the defendants serve decades in prison. The heavy sentences are not the only thing that makes this case more consequential. The trial almost feels like a referendum on the insurrection itself, and whatever the outcome, it will have reverberations across the landscape of American far-right extremism, said Jared Holt, a senior researcher at the think tank the Institute for Strategic Dialogue and an expert on domestic extremism. “Prosecutors are really going for the three-pointer shot instead of a layup,” Holt said. “If they're successful, it will send a very powerful message, and if they're not successful, that could also be a powerful message in a more negative way.” Reflecting the historic nature of the trial, Rhodes’ attorneys have crafted an extraordinary legal defense that they claim has never been tested before. Befitting Rhodes’ personal background as a gruff-talking Yale law school graduate and constitutional scholar, the defense relies on an arcane and controversial interpretation of the Insurrection Act, a statute from the 19th century. But three legal experts told USA TODAY they don’t see that argument standing up in court. And with so much of what the defendants are accused of doing enshrined in video evidence and in weeks of secret messages between them, the Oath Keepers will have an uphill battle convincing a jury they should be set free, said Mary McCord, executive director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. “The indictment is replete with evidence of a conspiracy to actually do exactly what the Oath Keepers then did on January 6,” McCord said. “So jurors don't have to sit there and wonder, ‘Well, maybe they were just joking;’ or ‘Maybe they were just fantasizing,’ or ‘Maybe they really wouldn't have done it,’ because they actually did do it.” Rest of article here: Oath Keepers trial: A 1800s-inspired defense meets most significant Jan. 6 prosecution yet
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 29, 2022 11:12:48 GMT -5
Trump's legal troubles mount as Oath Keepers plan to throw him under the bus at sedition trialWith Hurricane Ian bearing down on Florida, it's completely understandable why the House committee investigating the January 6 insurrection postponed Wednesday's scheduled hearing. No new date has been scheduled, though it will be coming soon and is likely to be another doozy of a hearing. As Heather "Digby" Parton, notes, the word is that the committee will focus heavily on the role of long-time Donald Trump confidante Roger Stone, and the role he played in planning and executing the Capitol riot. But even without the January 6 hearing to provoke Trump's ravings on social media, Trump has a lot of legal problems to sweat this week. That's because jury selection began for the trial of Oath Keepers head Stewart Rhodes and four other members of his far-right militia. The Oath Keepers, as with the Proud Boys, are both heavily linked to Stone and both were central to the Capitol insurrection. The Department of Justice has a treasure trove of evidence against the Oath Keepers. Two of the members charged with seditious conspiracy have already struck deals, pleading guilty and cooperating with prosecutors. In addition, the government has a mother lode of text messages between group members that not only showcases their planning but also their links to Stone and other people in Trump's orbit. Unable to deny that they were up to their necks in seditious conspiring, the five Oath Keepers are going to trial with a novel defense: Blaming Trump for telling them to do it. "They intend to tell the jury that when armed teams of Oath Keepers made plans to rush into Washington from Virginia on Jan. 6, 2021, they believed they would be following legal orders from the president himself," the New York Times reports. Because they claim to have been acting on orders from Trump, the defendants plan to argue they believed the insurrection was legal. Roger Stone, Donald Trump and the Jan. 6 coup: Is a major bombshell coming?
While it's questionable they actually thought secretly planning a deadly assault on the Capitol was legal, there's a mountain of public evidence already that the Oath Keepers, as well as the Proud Boys, had every reason to believe they were acting on Trump's orders. Trump did go on national television, during a 2020 debate with Joe Biden, and instruct the Proud Boys to "stand by." Newly released video footage shows Stone raving on the day before Election Day, "F**k the voting, let's get right to the violence." The Oath Keepers kept steady contact with Stone and knew full well that he was in regular contact with Trump, who commuted Stone's sentence for previous crimes committed in defense of Trump. Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson testified that on January 6 Trump showed every sign that he planned to join the Oath Keepers and other insurrectionists, and was only stopped by a Secret Service agent. Already, the DOJ and Attorney General Merrick Garland are finding it harder than ever to avoid the topic of a Trump indictment. So far, no evidence has been made public that Trump directly instructed the Oath Keepers or Proud Boys, or used a conduit like Stone to offer direct instructions. It would certainly bolster the Oath Keeper case if such communications existed. But, as Trump's former fixer Michael Cohen testified to Congress in 2019, Trump is very talented at making his desires known to his followers without giving direct orders which could be used against him in court. Like Cohen, the Oath Keepers may be another group of Trump sycophants who intuited what he wanted and acted on his implied command, without realizing it means they could go to prison while Trump skates away scot-free. Still, there's no universe in which it looks good for Trump to be accused in court of giving those instructions, either directly or through implication. Especially not if the January 6 committee, once they finally have a chance to reconvene, recommends the DOJ formally prosecute Trump himself for leading a seditious conspiracy. Already, the DOJ and Attorney General Merrick Garland are finding it harder than ever to avoid the topic of a Trump indictment. He refused for months to return classified documents he illegally took from the government until the FBI was forced to raid Mar-a-Lago to retrieve them. Then Trump and his legal team decided, as is Trump's habit, to hit back as hard as possible against the DOJ, making unsubtle threats of violence and filing lawsuits to impede the DOJ's work. Rest of article here: rump's legal troubles mount as Oath Keepers plan to throw him under the bus at sedition trial
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 29, 2022 11:41:13 GMT -5
Trump's legal troubles mount as Oath Keepers plan to throw him under the bus at sedition trialWith Hurricane Ian bearing down on Florida, it's completely understandable why the House committee investigating the January 6 insurrection postponed Wednesday's scheduled hearing. No new date has been scheduled, though it will be coming soon and is likely to be another doozy of a hearing. As Heather "Digby" Parton, notes, the word is that the committee will focus heavily on the role of long-time Donald Trump confidante Roger Stone, and the role he played in planning and executing the Capitol riot. But even without the January 6 hearing to provoke Trump's ravings on social media, Trump has a lot of legal problems to sweat this week. That's because jury selection began for the trial of Oath Keepers head Stewart Rhodes and four other members of his far-right militia. The Oath Keepers, as with the Proud Boys, are both heavily linked to Stone and both were central to the Capitol insurrection. The Department of Justice has a treasure trove of evidence against the Oath Keepers. Two of the members charged with seditious conspiracy have already struck deals, pleading guilty and cooperating with prosecutors. In addition, the government has a mother lode of text messages between group members that not only showcases their planning but also their links to Stone and other people in Trump's orbit. Unable to deny that they were up to their necks in seditious conspiring, the five Oath Keepers are going to trial with a novel defense: Blaming Trump for telling them to do it. "They intend to tell the jury that when armed teams of Oath Keepers made plans to rush into Washington from Virginia on Jan. 6, 2021, they believed they would be following legal orders from the president himself," the New York Times reports. Because they claim to have been acting on orders from Trump, the defendants plan to argue they believed the insurrection was legal. Roger Stone, Donald Trump and the Jan. 6 coup: Is a major bombshell coming?
While it's questionable they actually thought secretly planning a deadly assault on the Capitol was legal, there's a mountain of public evidence already that the Oath Keepers, as well as the Proud Boys, had every reason to believe they were acting on Trump's orders. Trump did go on national television, during a 2020 debate with Joe Biden, and instruct the Proud Boys to "stand by." Newly released video footage shows Stone raving on the day before Election Day, "F**k the voting, let's get right to the violence." The Oath Keepers kept steady contact with Stone and knew full well that he was in regular contact with Trump, who commuted Stone's sentence for previous crimes committed in defense of Trump. Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson testified that on January 6 Trump showed every sign that he planned to join the Oath Keepers and other insurrectionists, and was only stopped by a Secret Service agent. Already, the DOJ and Attorney General Merrick Garland are finding it harder than ever to avoid the topic of a Trump indictment. So far, no evidence has been made public that Trump directly instructed the Oath Keepers or Proud Boys, or used a conduit like Stone to offer direct instructions. It would certainly bolster the Oath Keeper case if such communications existed. But, as Trump's former fixer Michael Cohen testified to Congress in 2019, Trump is very talented at making his desires known to his followers without giving direct orders which could be used against him in court. Like Cohen, the Oath Keepers may be another group of Trump sycophants who intuited what he wanted and acted on his implied command, without realizing it means they could go to prison while Trump skates away scot-free. Still, there's no universe in which it looks good for Trump to be accused in court of giving those instructions, either directly or through implication. Especially not if the January 6 committee, once they finally have a chance to reconvene, recommends the DOJ formally prosecute Trump himself for leading a seditious conspiracy. Already, the DOJ and Attorney General Merrick Garland are finding it harder than ever to avoid the topic of a Trump indictment. He refused for months to return classified documents he illegally took from the government until the FBI was forced to raid Mar-a-Lago to retrieve them. Then Trump and his legal team decided, as is Trump's habit, to hit back as hard as possible against the DOJ, making unsubtle threats of violence and filing lawsuits to impede the DOJ's work. Rest of article here: rump's legal troubles mount as Oath Keepers plan to throw him under the bus at sedition trial Trump throws everyone in his orbit under the bus, seems fair!
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2022 12:25:04 GMT -5
Trump showed every sign that he planned to join the Oath Keepers and other insurrectionists, and was only stopped by a Secret Service agent.
i am truly starting to wonder if this guy saved Mike Pence.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Sept 29, 2022 12:52:34 GMT -5
Trump showed every sign that he planned to join the Oath Keepers and other insurrectionists, and was only stopped by a Secret Service agent. i am truly starting to wonder if this guy saved Mike Pence. If I remember correctly MP's SS detail was urging him to get in a car during the insurrection. Mike refused to do so. I believe he was very concerned about his safety if he did. My impression is that he believed a possible conspiracy to get rid of him.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2022 16:10:11 GMT -5
Trump showed every sign that he planned to join the Oath Keepers and other insurrectionists, and was only stopped by a Secret Service agent. i am truly starting to wonder if this guy saved Mike Pence. If I remember correctly MP's SS detail was urging him to get in a car during the insurrection. Mike refused to do so. I believe he was very concerned about his safety if he did. My impression is that he believed a possible conspiracy to get rid of him. thanks for making that connection.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 29, 2022 18:23:27 GMT -5
Trump showed every sign that he planned to join the Oath Keepers and other insurrectionists, and was only stopped by a Secret Service agent. i am truly starting to wonder if this guy saved Mike Pence. If I remember correctly MP's SS detail was urging him to get in a car during the insurrection. Mike refused to do so. I believe he was very concerned about his safety if he did. My impression is that he believed a possible conspiracy to get rid of him. I heard that too - but I also heard that Pence was afraid the SS would drive him to a remote location and would refuse to return him to the capital so he could do his ceremonial part in counting the votes for Biden- hopefully that’s all that would have happened. I choose to think no one would have killed him - or at least the SS wouldn’t have killed him.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 1, 2022 8:10:55 GMT -5
I agree Mitch and all the J6 enablers agree to be criticized but why does Trump have to take shots at Mitch’s wife - China loving Coco Chow? Didn’t Trump think enough of Chow to have her in his cabinet, and now he’s trashing her? What is it about the MAGA game book that requires all of them to be obnoxious fourth grade bullies?
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Post by tallguy on Oct 1, 2022 12:01:51 GMT -5
I agree Mitch and all the J6 enablers agree to be criticized but why does Trump have to take shots at Mitch’s wife - China loving Coco Chow? Didn’t Trump think enough of Chow to have her in his cabinet, and now he’s trashing her? What is it about the MAGA game book that requires all of them to be obnoxious fourth grade bullies? Because one has to be an obnoxious fourth-grade bully to be part of it? Nah, that's too easy.
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Post by Opti on Oct 1, 2022 13:18:49 GMT -5
Trump showed every sign that he planned to join the Oath Keepers and other insurrectionists, and was only stopped by a Secret Service agent. i am truly starting to wonder if this guy saved Mike Pence. If I remember correctly MP's SS detail was urging him to get in a car during the insurrection. Mike refused to do so. I believe he was very concerned about his safety if he did. My impression is that he believed a possible conspiracy to get rid of him. Given Trump and all the other plotters, he's not wrong to realize a mob can overwhelm a car or two pretty easily.
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I agree Mitch and all the J6 enablers agree to be criticized but why does Trump have to take shots at Mitch’s wife - China loving Coco Chow? Didn’t Trump think enough of Chow to have her in his cabinet, and now he’s trashing her? What is it about the MAGA game book that requires all of them to be obnoxious fourth grade bullies? Her name is Elaine Chao
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 3, 2022 23:04:58 GMT -5
Ignore the ad at the beginning of the video. Haberman asks Trump how he found out about the insurrection. Hear his replyCNN’s Brianna Keilar and New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman discuss what former President Donald Trump told Haberman he was doing on January 6 during the Capitol riot. Haberman interviewed the former president for an upcoming book. Haberman asks Trump how he found out about the insurrection. Hear his reply
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Proud Boys member is first to plead guilty to seditious conspiracyJeremy Bertino, a top lieutenant to Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio, pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy in federal court on Thursday, and is cooperating with the Justice Department’s investigation into the far-right extremist group. Bertino, 43, also pleaded guilty to unlawful possession of a firearm by a prohibited person. He is the first member of the Proud Boys to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy – a major boost to the historic prosecution of the organization. He could spend more than five years in prison, according to his plea agreement, which was read aloud in court, though prosecutors could ask a judge for a lesser sentence depending on his level of cooperation with the investigation. The judge did not set a sentencing date. Bertino’s next hearing is scheduled for February 2023. Bertino will not be held in jail. He will not be able to have a passport or firearms, and will not be able to return to Washington unless it is to meet with prosecutors or participate in court proceedings. Bertino was listed in previous indictments as “PERSON-1,” but has not publicly faced charges. He is not alleged to have been in Washington, DC, on January 6, 2021. Prosecutors have previously outlined his involvement in Proud Boys leadership and extensive planning meetings and chats. Even though he was not present for the Capitol riot, Bertino could provide crucial testimony for prosecutors in the Proud Boys seditious conspiracy trial, which is set to begin in December of this year. According to the Proud Boys seditious conspiracy indictment, Bertino was in a number of encrypted group chats meant to plan for January 6. The groups, including the main “Boots on Ground” channel, included all of the Proud Boys sedition defendants – Tarrio, Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs, and Zachary Rehl. They have pleaded not guilty. Bertino posted instructions for January 6 in the chats, prosecutors say, telling Proud Boys where to meet and to not wear the usual Proud Boys colors, though he ultimately did not travel to Washington because he was recovering from a stab injury from a previous DC rally. After 1 p.m. on January 6, Bertino, along with another member of the group posted messages in a Proud Boys chat to “Push inside! Find some eggs and rotten tomatoes!” and asking if “they deploy the mace yet,” according to the indictment. Bertino posted publicly to rioters, writing “DO NOT GO HOME. WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF SAVING THE CONSTITUTION.” Bertino also texted Tarrio on the evening of January 6, saying: “Brother. You know we made this happen” and “I’m so proud of my country today,” according to the indictment. “I know,” Tarrio allegedly replied. Rest of article here: Proud Boys member is first to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 6, 2022 22:05:36 GMT -5
ok. so we now OFFICIALLY have a seditious conspiracy against the US.
how does that impact the Trump investigation?
any thoughts?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 6, 2022 22:07:38 GMT -5
Ignore the ad at the beginning of the video. Haberman asks Trump how he found out about the insurrection. Hear his replyCNN’s Brianna Keilar and New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman discuss what former President Donald Trump told Haberman he was doing on January 6 during the Capitol riot. Haberman interviewed the former president for an upcoming book. Haberman asks Trump how he found out about the insurrection. Hear his replylies from start to finish. so, more implied guilt. he knew what he was doing was wrong.
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Post by swamp on Oct 7, 2022 12:13:18 GMT -5
The Haberman book is arriving on 10/11. I'm very excited.
I will also be sleep deprived because I won't be able to put it down.
My name is swamp and I have a problem.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 7, 2022 12:16:04 GMT -5
he sounds like a child in that interview.
"Danny, were you raiding the refrigerator at 2AM?"
"No, mom, I didn't raid the refrigerator. I was not even up at 2AM. I was asleep"
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ok. so we now OFFICIALLY have a seditious conspiracy against the US. how does that impact the Trump investigation? any thoughts? At the very beginning, when J6 participants were being picked off with misdemeanors and called community service pleas, we had a board member who kept insisting this wasn’t seditious because no one had been charged with sedition yet. Several other board members stated the government would start with the small fry and work their way to the big fish by getting the smaller fish to turn on them to avoid longer jail terms. Well we’re up to the sharks now, and actual charges of sedition. The killer whales like Stone and Bannon will be next, and then we’ll have to see if they go after the whale. I kind of doubt they will. It’s never happened before, and Nixon, for one, should have been charged, if not for the monkey wrenching, then for all the ‘gifts’ he accepted to grease the wheels of government. I suspect if we get to that point, he’ll get pardoned.
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ok. so we now OFFICIALLY have a seditious conspiracy against the US. how does that impact the Trump investigation? any thoughts? At the very beginning, when J6 participants were being picked off with misdemeanors and called community service pleas, we had a board member who kept insisting this wasn’t seditious because no one had been charged with sedition yet. Several other board members stated the government would start with the small fry and work their way to the big fish by getting the smaller fish to turn on them to avoid longer jail terms. Well we’re up to the sharks now, and actual charges of sedition. The killer whales like Stone and Bannon will be next, and then we’ll have to see if they go after the whale. I kind of doubt they will. It’s never happened before, and Nixon, for one, should have been charged, if not for the monkey wrenching, then for all the ‘gifts’ he accepted to grease the wheels of government. I suspect if we get to that point, he’ll get pardoned. I don't think there exists enough evidence to convict the former President in a court of law of sedition.
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Post by dondub on Oct 8, 2022 12:54:05 GMT -5
At the very beginning, when J6 participants were being picked off with misdemeanors and called community service pleas, we had a board member who kept insisting this wasn’t seditious because no one had been charged with sedition yet. Several other board members stated the government would start with the small fry and work their way to the big fish by getting the smaller fish to turn on them to avoid longer jail terms. Well we’re up to the sharks now, and actual charges of sedition. The killer whales like Stone and Bannon will be next, and then we’ll have to see if they go after the whale. I kind of doubt they will. It’s never happened before, and Nixon, for one, should have been charged, if not for the monkey wrenching, then for all the ‘gifts’ he accepted to grease the wheels of government. I suspect if we get to that point, he’ll get pardoned. I don't think there exists enough evidence to convict the former President in a court of law of sedition. You’ve seen all of it?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 8, 2022 13:09:04 GMT -5
I don't think there exists enough evidence to convict the former President in a court of law of sedition. You’ve seen all of it? Of course not. How would I see something that doesn't exist? I don't think he will be charged based on lack of evidence or if charged would not be convicted. Pure conjecture on my part.
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Post by dondub on Oct 8, 2022 15:36:48 GMT -5
Of course not. How would I see something that doesn't exist? I don't think he will be charged based on lack of evidence or if charged would not be convicted. Pure conjecture on my part. We can’t be sure it doesn’t exist, yet. But as he is greased up in Trump brand Vaseline I agree with you.
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