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Post by swamp on Apr 14, 2022 14:05:39 GMT -5
Trump can’t fathom someone would do something because it’s the right thing to do
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 14, 2022 14:56:05 GMT -5
Trump can’t fathom someone would do something because it’s the right thing to do sure he can. just not as a primary reason. if something is profitable (more profitable than not doing it or doing the opposite) AND the right thing, then it is fine. but i get your point. the right thing for him, if it ever happens, happens on accident.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 15, 2022 8:20:42 GMT -5
I have no problem with what the two in the article said. They supported the initial legal challenges but once it became clear there was no legal basis for changing the result, they voted to certify it.
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Post by tbop77 on Apr 15, 2022 8:36:35 GMT -5
I have no problem with what the two in the article said. They supported the initial legal challenges but once it became clear there was no legal basis for changing the result, they voted to certify it. The problem I have is they all knew...and let it happen. What kind of member of Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution does not speak up? Just go ahead and let that stake be driven in the heart of the federal republic? "We're driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic," Roy texted Meadows on January 1. On December 31 Roy expressed even more concern in a text to Meadows. "The president should call everyone off. It's the only path. If we substitute the will of states through electors with a vote by congress every 4 years... we have destroyed the electoral college... Respectfully," Roy wrote.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 15, 2022 8:48:40 GMT -5
I have no problem with what the two in the article said. They supported the initial legal challenges but once it became clear there was no legal basis for changing the result, they voted to certify it. The problem I have is they all knew...and let it happen. What kind of member of Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution does not speak up? Just go ahead and let that stake be driven in the heart of the federal republic? "We're driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic," Roy texted Meadows on January 1. On December 31 Roy expressed even more concern in a text to Meadows. "The president should call everyone off. It's the only path. If we substitute the will of states through electors with a vote by congress every 4 years... we have destroyed the electoral college... Respectfully," Roy wrote. Yeah, they could have been more public in their statements against what was happening but at least they were condemning it directly to the White House.
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In the leaked audio of the Jan. 10 phone call, first posted Thursday by The New York Times and aired on Rachel Maddow’s MSNBC show, McCarthy is heard saying he would advise Trump to resign. In a follow up audio release from a Republican conference call on Jan. 11, McCarthy is heard saying: “I asked him personally today, does he hold responsibility for what happened? … He told me he does have some responsibility for what happened and he’d need to acknowledge that.” “He made a call. I heard the call. I didn’t like the call,” Trump said, referring to the leaked audio. “But almost immediately as you know, because he came here and we took a picture right there — you know, the support was very strong,” Trump said, referring to a picture taken of the two men at Mar-a-Lago following a cordial meeting in the days after the riot.www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-never-claimed-responsibility-for-jan-6-attack-contradicting-mccarthy/ar-AAWv7no?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a39dd100dc834be68533be15d1abe949
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 23, 2022 11:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 23, 2022 16:36:50 GMT -5
she clearly did suggest that. with her words, even.
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This is scary. During J6, the SS tried to get Pence to get into a bullet proof limo and drive off - but Pence refused, because he was certain the SS guys driving the limo reported directly to Trump and he suspected they would drive him away and keep him somewhere off site so he wouldn’t be able to certify the election. So he refused to get in the car. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-refusing-to-get-in-secret-service-car-on-jan-6-chilling-raskin/ar-AAWwuVd?cvid=362e8028f58b44cbb1c38535cd519302So I wonder if he did get in the limo, would they have driven him out to the sticks and kept him locked up in a cabin somewhere until Trump had successfully gotten Congress to declare him the winner? Or would he have met with a fatal accident someplace?
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Post by Opti on Apr 24, 2022 8:10:06 GMT -5
This is scary. During J6, the SS tried to get Pence to get into a bullet proof limo and drive off - but Pence refused, because he was certain the SS guys driving the limo reported directly to Trump and he suspected they would drive him away and keep him somewhere off site so he wouldn’t be able to certify the election. So he refused to get in the car. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-refusing-to-get-in-secret-service-car-on-jan-6-chilling-raskin/ar-AAWwuVd?cvid=362e8028f58b44cbb1c38535cd519302So I wonder if he did get in the limo, would they have driven him out to the sticks and kept him locked up in a cabin somewhere until Trump had successfully gotten Congress to declare him the winner? Or would he have met with a fatal accident someplace? I hadn't thought about this possibility until you posted it, but Pence knows how Trump thinks.
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An attendee of former President Donald Trump's Ohio rally on Saturday claimed that Princess Diana of Wales, former first lady Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis (often referred to as Jackie O.) and popstar Michael Jackson are "alive" and currently ruling the world. Trump's rally at the Delaware County Fairgrounds is set to start at 7 p.m., with doors having opened earlier in the afternoon. Local media reported that Trump supporters flocked to the event from across the country. Ahead of the event, Right Side Broadcasting Network (RSBN) sent some of its correspondents out to interview those attending the rally. An RSBN reporter spoke with a small group of women holding cut-out photos of Trump's head, according to video from the network's live stream. One of the women wore a pink "Women for Trump" hat and a pink shirt featuring Jackson, Kennedy and Princess Diana. The reporter then asked the woman for a detailed explanation, telling the group they looked "so cute." "Right, so, living, living and we know living," the woman responded, pointing individually at each photo of the three deceased celebrities on her shirt. "Ruling the world—and you don't take down evil by being quiet or silent, right," she added. "So, people need to understand who they are. Do they look like them today? No." The reporter interjected, asking, "You think Princess Diana's still alive?" "Absolutely, 100 percent," the woman replied immediately. "Do you?" she asked. "I didn't. But maybe you know something that I don't know," the reporter replied. "Well, you know God speaks to us, right?" the woman answered. "There's ways that we can figure these things out." Kennedy died in 1994, as did Princess Diana in 1997 and Jackson in 2009. While fringe conspiracy theories have been floated that they are still alive, there is no evidence to corroborate these bizarre claims. Unusual conspiracy theories have become a staple at Trump rallies and among some supporters of the former president. Rest of article here: Trump Rally-Goer Claims Princess Diana, Jackie O. 'Alive' and Ruling World
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This is scary. During J6, the SS tried to get Pence to get into a bullet proof limo and drive off - but Pence refused, because he was certain the SS guys driving the limo reported directly to Trump and he suspected they would drive him away and keep him somewhere off site so he wouldn’t be able to certify the election. So he refused to get in the car. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-refusing-to-get-in-secret-service-car-on-jan-6-chilling-raskin/ar-AAWwuVd?cvid=362e8028f58b44cbb1c38535cd519302So I wonder if he did get in the limo, would they have driven him out to the sticks and kept him locked up in a cabin somewhere until Trump had successfully gotten Congress to declare him the winner? Or would he have met with a fatal accident someplace? I hadn't thought about this possibility until you posted it, but Pence knows how Trump thinks. That plus Pence had had many pre J6 conversations with Trump and his lawyers and Meadows, while they attempted to convince him it would be legal for him to send some of the electoral votes back to the states. One meeting in particular was extremely acrimonious, with Trump screaming at Pence that he had to do this. I don’t blame him for being extremely cautious.
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Post by swamp on May 2, 2022 14:27:53 GMT -5
I also read in a publication for lawyers that Judge Beryl Howard has requested the SSA to review disability claims of persons who took part in the riot.
She noted that a person who drove several hours from their home to DC, stood in the cold for hours, walked up to the Capitol, and then threw objects around/lifted his arms up over his head didn't appear to be disabled and probably shouldn't be collecting Social Security Disability.
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I also read in a publication for lawyers that Judge Beryl Howard has requested the SSA to review disability claims of persons who took part in the riot. She noted that a person who drove several hours from their home to DC, stood in the cold for hours, walked up to the Capitol, and then threw objects around/lifted his arms up over his head didn't appear to be disabled and probably shouldn't be collecting Social Security Disability. One of my favorite HR hearings when a PI hired by disability insurance provider to prove an employee out on disability and receiving pay is actually not disabled as proven by a video of employee taken by the PI. Employee usually terminated for fraud after the hearing.
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Donald Trump’s dangerous view of state violenceWhat’s revealing about former defense secretary Mark T. Esper’s description of Donald Trump’s response to protesters who surrounded the White House in early June 2020 isn’t really the response itself. According to Axios, which reported on the contents of Esper’s new book, Trump casually wondered whether federal law enforcement might simply shoot and wound the protesters — say, in their legs — to disperse the crowds. This has been reported previously. Last year, journalist Michael C. Bender reported on the same comment, apparently relayed to him by Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Mark A. Milley. Trump would demand that the protesters be treated with physical force, that someone “crack their skulls,” according to Bender. Even when that report came out, there was no reason to doubt it. At an event on Long Island in 2017, Trump made a comment about police officers not worrying about physically injuring suspects as they were detaining them. That followed a repeated embrace of responding to protesters at his 2016 campaign rallies with strong-arm tactics. In 2018, Trump reportedly suggested that migrants seeking entry to the United States might similarly be shot in the legs to deter their progress. And, of course, there was his explicit advocacy of using deadly force in response to looting at the time of the Black Lives Matters protests in late May and early June 2020. Donald Trump’s dangerous view of state violenceMeanwhile... Trump calls officer who fatally shot rioter Ashli Babbitt a "murderer"Former President Trump issued a statement Wednesday criticizing law enforcement who responded to the Capitol insurrection and praising Ashli Babbitt, who was fatally shot while participating in the riot. Why it matters: Babbitt was one of five people to die as a result of the Jan. 6 Capitol attack that caused some $500 million in damage to the building and resulted in the arrests of hundreds of people. The Justice Department found insufficient evidence to support criminal prosecution against the officer who shot Babbitt in a shoulder as she tried to enter the Speaker's Lobby through a door's broken window. What he's saying: "I spoke to the wonderful mother and husband of Ashli Babbitt, who was murdered at the hands of someone who should have never pulled the trigger of his gun," Trump said in an emailed statement to news outlets calling for "justice." "If this happened to the 'other side,' there would be riots all over America, and yet there are far more people represented by Ashli, who truly loved America, than there are on the other side." Trump calls officer who fatally shot rioter Ashli Babbitt a "murderer"
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Donald Trump’s dangerous view of state violenceWhat’s revealing about former defense secretary Mark T. Esper’s description of Donald Trump’s response to protesters who surrounded the White House in early June 2020 isn’t really the response itself. According to Axios, which reported on the contents of Esper’s new book, Trump casually wondered whether federal law enforcement might simply shoot and wound the protesters — say, in their legs — to disperse the crowds. This has been reported previously. Last year, journalist Michael C. Bender reported on the same comment, apparently relayed to him by Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Mark A. Milley. Trump would demand that the protesters be treated with physical force, that someone “crack their skulls,” according to Bender. Even when that report came out, there was no reason to doubt it. At an event on Long Island in 2017, Trump made a comment about police officers not worrying about physically injuring suspects as they were detaining them. That followed a repeated embrace of responding to protesters at his 2016 campaign rallies with strong-arm tactics. In 2018, Trump reportedly suggested that migrants seeking entry to the United States might similarly be shot in the legs to deter their progress. And, of course, there was his explicit advocacy of using deadly force in response to looting at the time of the Black Lives Matters protests in late May and early June 2020. Donald Trump’s dangerous view of state violenceMeanwhile... Trump calls officer who fatally shot rioter Ashli Babbitt a "murderer"Former President Trump issued a statement Wednesday criticizing law enforcement who responded to the Capitol insurrection and praising Ashli Babbitt, who was fatally shot while participating in the riot. Why it matters: Babbitt was one of five people to die as a result of the Jan. 6 Capitol attack that caused some $500 million in damage to the building and resulted in the arrests of hundreds of people. The Justice Department found insufficient evidence to support criminal prosecution against the officer who shot Babbitt in a shoulder as she tried to enter the Speaker's Lobby through a door's broken window. What he's saying: "I spoke to the wonderful mother and husband of Ashli Babbitt, who was murdered at the hands of someone who should have never pulled the trigger of his gun," Trump said in an emailed statement to news outlets calling for "justice." "If this happened to the 'other side,' there would be riots all over America, and yet there are far more people represented by Ashli, who truly loved America, than there are on the other side." Trump calls officer who fatally shot rioter Ashli Babbitt a "murderer" what an asshole
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Post by djAdvocate on May 2, 2022 15:44:38 GMT -5
yeah, it is not really self defense when you are the aggressor. whoda thunk?
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I also read in a publication for lawyers that Judge Beryl Howard has requested the SSA to review disability claims of persons who took part in the riot. She noted that a person who drove several hours from their home to DC, stood in the cold for hours, walked up to the Capitol, and then threw objects around/lifted his arms up over his head didn't appear to be disabled and probably shouldn't be collecting Social Security Disability. One of my favorite HR hearings when a PI hired by disability insurance provider to prove an employee out on disability and receiving pay is actually not disabled as proven by a video of employee taken by the PI. Employee usually terminated for fraud after the hearing. These stories danced in my mind while I was on short-term disability. I was wondering where the line was with my injury. Were some of the things I did inappropriate even if they wouldn't cause pain to a person in my situation?
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Oath Keepers founder tried to phone Trump on Jan. 6, group member tells court
WASHINGTON — The Oath Keepers founder facing seditious conspiracy charges attempted to speak directly with former President Donald Trump on the night of Jan. 6, and implored an intermediary to tell the president to use militia groups to stop the transfer of power, a fellow Oath Keepers member said in court Wednesday. William Todd Wilson, a member of the far-right militia group who pleaded guilty Wednesday to seditious conspiracy and obstruction of an official proceeding in connection with the Jan. 6 riot, said in federal court that he joined Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes in a suite at the Phoenix Park Hotel not far from the Capitol shortly after the attack and listened as Rhodes called an unnamed Trump intermediary on speakerphone. As he listened, he heard Rhodes “repeatedly implore the individual to tell President Trump to call upon groups like the Oath Keepers to forcibly oppose a transfer of power,” Wilson and prosecutors said. The individual on the line “denied Rhodes’ request to speak directly with President Trump,” according to the agreed upon statement of offense in Wilson’s case. The alleged phone call, which Wilson said was made just after 5 p.m., would have taken place when rioters were still being cleared on the grounds of the Capitol, after Trump tweeted a video calling the rioters "very special" but before he tweeted, at 6:01 p.m., "Remember this day forever!” Jonathan Moseley, a disbarred attorney who has worked with Rhodes, told NBC News on Wednesday night that the Oath Keepers “have always scoffed at the idea that they had anyway to talk to Trump or his team.” Attorneys for Rhodes, who has pleaded not guilty to the charges against him, did not immediately respond to requests for comment Wednesday night. But they pushed back in comments to CNN. “None of them still show evidence of an actual plan to do something,” said Phillip Linder, one of the attorneys for Rhodes. Wilson has been cooperating with the FBI and Justice Department investigation into Jan. 6, and agreed as part of his plea agreement to testify before grand juries and at jury trials if necessary. Reporters from NBC News and CNN were waiting outside the courtroom before Wilson's plea hearing on Wednesday as Wilson, his lawyers and government officials discussed the logistics of Wilson's forthcoming testimony before a federal grand jury. Wilson was the third Oath Keepers member to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy. In a separate hearing following Wilson's guilty plea, Judge Amit Mehta agreed to release Arizona Oath Keeper Edward Vallejo, who is also facing a seditious conspiracy charge, until trial. The FBI has arrested nearly 800 people in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, and more than 250 defendants have pleaded guilty. Federal authorities have the names of hundreds more who have not yet been arrested, and the Biden administration has requested more resources to prosecute cases already in the pipeline and the hundreds more that are expected to come. Oath Keepers founder tried to phone Trump on Jan. 6, group member tells court
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Oath Keepers founder tried to phone Trump on Jan. 6, group member tells court
WASHINGTON — The Oath Keepers founder facing seditious conspiracy charges attempted to speak directly with former President Donald Trump on the night of Jan. 6, and implored an intermediary to tell the president to use militia groups to stop the transfer of power, a fellow Oath Keepers member said in court Wednesday. William Todd Wilson, a member of the far-right militia group who pleaded guilty Wednesday to seditious conspiracy and obstruction of an official proceeding in connection with the Jan. 6 riot, said in federal court that he joined Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes in a suite at the Phoenix Park Hotel not far from the Capitol shortly after the attack and listened as Rhodes called an unnamed Trump intermediary on speakerphone.As he listened, he heard Rhodes “repeatedly implore the individual to tell President Trump to call upon groups like the Oath Keepers to forcibly oppose a transfer of power,” Wilson and prosecutors said. The individual on the line “denied Rhodes’ request to speak directly with President Trump,” according to the agreed upon statement of offense in Wilson’s case. The alleged phone call, which Wilson said was made just after 5 p.m., would have taken place when rioters were still being cleared on the grounds of the Capitol, after Trump tweeted a video calling the rioters "very special" but before he tweeted, at 6:01 p.m., "Remember this day forever!” Jonathan Moseley, a disbarred attorney who has worked with Rhodes, told NBC News on Wednesday night that the Oath Keepers “have always scoffed at the idea that they had anyway to talk to Trump or his team.” Attorneys for Rhodes, who has pleaded not guilty to the charges against him, did not immediately respond to requests for comment Wednesday night. But they pushed back in comments to CNN. “None of them still show evidence of an actual plan to do something,” said Phillip Linder, one of the attorneys for Rhodes. Wilson has been cooperating with the FBI and Justice Department investigation into Jan. 6, and agreed as part of his plea agreement to testify before grand juries and at jury trials if necessary. Reporters from NBC News and CNN were waiting outside the courtroom before Wilson's plea hearing on Wednesday as Wilson, his lawyers and government officials discussed the logistics of Wilson's forthcoming testimony before a federal grand jury. Wilson was the third Oath Keepers member to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy. In a separate hearing following Wilson's guilty plea, Judge Amit Mehta agreed to release Arizona Oath Keeper Edward Vallejo, who is also facing a seditious conspiracy charge, until trial. The FBI has arrested nearly 800 people in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, and more than 250 defendants have pleaded guilty. Federal authorities have the names of hundreds more who have not yet been arrested, and the Biden administration has requested more resources to prosecute cases already in the pipeline and the hundreds more that are expected to come. Oath Keepers founder tried to phone Trump on Jan. 6, group member tells court Don't we have a poster who kept saying there was no sedition, no treason, no conspiracy?
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Oath Keepers founder tried to phone Trump on Jan. 6, group member tells court
WASHINGTON — The Oath Keepers founder facing seditious conspiracy charges attempted to speak directly with former President Donald Trump on the night of Jan. 6, and implored an intermediary to tell the president to use militia groups to stop the transfer of power, a fellow Oath Keepers member said in court Wednesday. William Todd Wilson, a member of the far-right militia group who pleaded guilty Wednesday to seditious conspiracy and obstruction of an official proceeding in connection with the Jan. 6 riot, said in federal court that he joined Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes in a suite at the Phoenix Park Hotel not far from the Capitol shortly after the attack and listened as Rhodes called an unnamed Trump intermediary on speakerphone.As he listened, he heard Rhodes “repeatedly implore the individual to tell President Trump to call upon groups like the Oath Keepers to forcibly oppose a transfer of power,” Wilson and prosecutors said. The individual on the line “denied Rhodes’ request to speak directly with President Trump,” according to the agreed upon statement of offense in Wilson’s case. The alleged phone call, which Wilson said was made just after 5 p.m., would have taken place when rioters were still being cleared on the grounds of the Capitol, after Trump tweeted a video calling the rioters "very special" but before he tweeted, at 6:01 p.m., "Remember this day forever!” Jonathan Moseley, a disbarred attorney who has worked with Rhodes, told NBC News on Wednesday night that the Oath Keepers “have always scoffed at the idea that they had anyway to talk to Trump or his team.” Attorneys for Rhodes, who has pleaded not guilty to the charges against him, did not immediately respond to requests for comment Wednesday night. But they pushed back in comments to CNN. “None of them still show evidence of an actual plan to do something,” said Phillip Linder, one of the attorneys for Rhodes. Wilson has been cooperating with the FBI and Justice Department investigation into Jan. 6, and agreed as part of his plea agreement to testify before grand juries and at jury trials if necessary. Reporters from NBC News and CNN were waiting outside the courtroom before Wilson's plea hearing on Wednesday as Wilson, his lawyers and government officials discussed the logistics of Wilson's forthcoming testimony before a federal grand jury. Wilson was the third Oath Keepers member to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy. In a separate hearing following Wilson's guilty plea, Judge Amit Mehta agreed to release Arizona Oath Keeper Edward Vallejo, who is also facing a seditious conspiracy charge, until trial. The FBI has arrested nearly 800 people in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, and more than 250 defendants have pleaded guilty. Federal authorities have the names of hundreds more who have not yet been arrested, and the Biden administration has requested more resources to prosecute cases already in the pipeline and the hundreds more that are expected to come. Oath Keepers founder tried to phone Trump on Jan. 6, group member tells court Don't we have a poster who kept saying there was no sedition, no treason, no conspiracy? Yeah up until they convicted one of the oathkeeper assholes of it - then he kind of faded away.
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Don't we have a poster who kept saying there was no sedition, no treason, no conspiracy? Yeah up until they convicted one of the oathkeeper assholes of it - then he kind of faded away. It was jma23. He deleted his account. He and I got along well on just about everything but politics.
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Post by Opti on May 8, 2022 8:42:48 GMT -5
Its like they don't get they needed hard evidence, and it needed to be in by January 2021. If they had real evidence, it wouldn't wait until a movie. I guess drama peeps gotta drama.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2022 12:08:41 GMT -5
one of the hallmarks of serial narcissism is the tendency to expand the conspiracy to fit the perception, rather than question the perception.
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Post by happyhoix on May 8, 2022 13:59:04 GMT -5
What’s that mental illness called where you focus with laser intensity on a single thing and everything that happens you manage to tie back to that single thing? Hyper focus? Is that a thing? Bi polar?
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