January 6th Bomb Exploded

[Opti]

Aug 11, 2024 7:39:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 10, 2024 10:16:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Assuming "one" means kill line, I am not sure how it would apply. What "line" would the government cross? Inaugurating a legally elected President?

I don't think you got the meaning. If there is fighting it could esclate to something very severe. I'm not talking about some rednecks with rifles either. These groups are highly armed, and well financed. Like I said I hope it doesn't happen because they are not going to care about casualties. Most likely the capitol will not be their target. We will be under martial law just to contain it no matter who is president. 

If the Wagner group did not succeed in Russia, I don't think whoever these peeps are will succeed here. We have military all over the world that can come back and neutralize them. 

[obelisk]

Aug 11, 2024 7:43:41 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 11, 2024 7:39:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't think you got the meaning. If there is fighting it could esclate to something very severe. I'm not talking about some rednecks with rifles either. These groups are highly armed, and well financed. Like I said I hope it doesn't happen because they are not going to care about casualties. Most likely the capitol will not be their target. We will be under martial law just to contain it no matter who is president. 

If the Wagner group did not succeed in Russia, I don't think whoever these peeps are will succeed here. We have military all over the world that can come back and neutralize them. 

What peeps are you referring to

[pulmonarymd]

Who is calling for a civil war? Who is refusing to accept the results of the 2020 election? Who is calling into question the results of a not yet run election? Trump and conservatives are the ones with the violent rhetoric and inciting this talk. The way it gets ratched down is to accept that 2020 was fair, that 2024 is going to be fair, and actually say you will accept the results. Think Trump will do that? Should he lose, it is likely that more people’s lives will be ruined, and likely more will die, and that can be placed squarely on the shoulders of Trump and his enablers.

[billisonboard]

Aug 11, 2024 7:39:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 10, 2024 10:16:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Assuming "one" means kill line, I am not sure how it would apply. What "line" would the government cross? Inaugurating a legally elected President?

I don't think you got the meaning. If there is fighting it could esclate to something very severe. I'm not talking about some rednecks with rifles either. These groups are highly armed, and well financed. Like I said I hope it doesn't happen because they are not going to care about casualties. Most likely the capitol will not be their target. We will be under martial law just to contain it no matter who is president. 

Thank you for clarifying. I agree there is the real possibility of mass causality events. I think too few Americans really understand that possibility and thus will help create it by making this election close enough to ignite it. After the bullshit Trump pulled with the last election, there is no way he should have been nominated this time. This thread started with his text calling for a "wild" event and he got it. I have no doubt that he would "double down" should he lose again, creating a very ugly situation. Any blood that is spilled will be on the hands of each and every one of his supporters. Will they care? Perhaps not. While I certainly don't "want" things to come to that extreme, I am not sure it is avoidable at this point.

[billisonboard]

I typed reply 3213 earlier then came across this: The MAGA misinformation-industrial complex has gathered steam since 2020. Here’s how

We listened as speaker after speaker explained that Trump was certain to win the 2020 presidential election – then just weeks away – in a landslide. Anything less would be a sign the Democrats had cheated.

If that happened, warned a man from the podium, we may need to take matters into our own hands. Political violence, he argued, wasn’t all that bad – American history had been shaped by it after all.

A little more than two months later that man would take part in an attack on the US Capitol. He is now serving an 11-year prison sentence.

...

Millions of Americans are now getting their news, information, and misinformation on these platforms – and they are being primed for another “stolen” election if things don’t ’s way.

I have no doubt there will be violence if Trump loses. It will only be a matter of how extensive it will become. What would be interesting is, if he is able to overthrow the current system to manipulate his way into office, how the anti-Trump side will react.

[Opti]

Aug 11, 2024 10:16:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I typed reply 3213 earlier then came across this: The MAGA misinformation-industrial complex has gathered steam since 2020. Here’s how

We listened as speaker after speaker explained that Trump was certain to win the 2020 presidential election – then just weeks away – in a landslide. Anything less would be a sign the Democrats had cheated.

If that happened, warned a man from the podium, we may need to take matters into our own hands. Political violence, he argued, wasn’t all that bad – American history had been shaped by it after all.

A little more than two months later that man would take part in an attack on the US Capitol. He is now serving an 11-year prison sentence.

...

Millions of Americans are now getting their news, information, and misinformation on these platforms – and they are being primed for another “stolen” election if things don’t ’s way.

I have no doubt there will be violence if Trump loses. It will only be a matter of how extensive it will become. What would be interesting is, if he is able to overthrow the current system to manipulate his way into office, how the anti-Trump side will react.

I don't think he will succeed. Organizations like the Proud Boys are aware that jail time would be in their future because of J6.
They can always become mercenaries for Putin and see if he will carve out a piece of Russia or Ukraine for them.

[billisonboard]

Aug 11, 2024 10:19:58 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 11, 2024 10:16:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I typed reply 3213 earlier then came across this: The MAGA misinformation-industrial complex has gathered steam since 2020. Here’s how

We listened as speaker after speaker explained that Trump was certain to win the 2020 presidential election – then just weeks away – in a landslide. Anything less would be a sign the Democrats had cheated.

If that happened, warned a man from the podium, we may need to take matters into our own hands. Political violence, he argued, wasn’t all that bad – American history had been shaped by it after all.

A little more than two months later that man would take part in an attack on the US Capitol. He is now serving an 11-year prison sentence.

...

Millions of Americans are now getting their news, information, and misinformation on these platforms – and they are being primed for another “stolen” election if things don’t ’s way.

I have no doubt there will be violence if Trump loses. It will only be a matter of how extensive it will become. What would be interesting is, if he is able to overthrow the current system to manipulate his way into office, how the anti-Trump side will react.

I don't think he will succeed. Organizations like the Proud Boys are aware that jail time would be in their future because of J6.
They can always become mercenaries for Putin and see if he will carve out a piece of Russia or Ukraine for them.

True Patriots are willing to die for their country.

[billisonboard]

Aug 11, 2024 10:19:58 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 11, 2024 10:16:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I typed reply 3213 earlier then came across this: The MAGA misinformation-industrial complex has gathered steam since 2020. Here’s how

We listened as speaker after speaker explained that Trump was certain to win the 2020 presidential election – then just weeks away – in a landslide. Anything less would be a sign the Democrats had cheated.

If that happened, warned a man from the podium, we may need to take matters into our own hands. Political violence, he argued, wasn’t all that bad – American history had been shaped by it after all.

A little more than two months later that man would take part in an attack on the US Capitol. He is now serving an 11-year prison sentence.

...

Millions of Americans are now getting their news, information, and misinformation on these platforms – and they are being primed for another “stolen” election if things don’t ’s way.

I have no doubt there will be violence if Trump loses. It will only be a matter of how extensive it will become. What would be interesting is, if he is able to overthrow the current system to manipulate his way into office, how the anti-Trump side will react.

I don't think he will succeed. Organizations like the Proud Boys are aware that jail time would be in their future because of J6.
They can always become mercenaries for Putin and see if he will carve out a piece of Russia or Ukraine for them.

If you are saying Trump will not succeed in overturning the election by actions involving organizations like the Proud Boys, I fully agree. People with briefcases, not guns, will be his effective soldiers.

[happyhoix]

Aug 11, 2024 8:41:47 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 11, 2024 7:39:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't think you got the meaning. If there is fighting it could esclate to something very severe. I'm not talking about some rednecks with rifles either. These groups are highly armed, and well financed. Like I said I hope it doesn't happen because they are not going to care about casualties. Most likely the capitol will not be their target. We will be under martial law just to contain it no matter who is president. 

Thank you for clarifying. I agree there is the real possibility of mass causality events. I think too few Americans really understand that possibility and thus will help create it by making this election close enough to ignite it. After the bullshit Trump pulled with the last election, there is no way he should have been nominated this time. This thread started with his text calling for a "wild" event and he got it. I have no doubt that he would "double down" should he lose again, creating a very ugly situation. Any blood that is spilled will be on the hands of each and every one of his supporters. Will they care? Perhaps not. While I certainly don't "want" things to come to that extreme, I am not sure it is avoidable at this point.

I think it depends on how close the election is. If there is a blue wave, and a big gap in polling prior to the election, I think Trump will have a harder time mustering ‘patriots’ to go to war for him. 

If the election is close, I think there will be violence. Mostly I think there will be pockets of minions throughout the country that declare themselves liberated from the union.  I don’t think there will be enough of them to actually launch an attack on a populated area, and I hope our government would just fence off those areas and let the MAGA minions foment amongst themselves until they run out of food/ammunition and get bored and go home (or to jail).  Although I’m sure there will be some federal buildings that will get attacked, hopefully at night when they aren’t populated. 

If Trump wins, well, I think there will be protests but not militia assaults. I think more Americans will leave the country, if not permanently, at least for four years. Whether they come back or not depends on how successful Trump and his corrupt pals are in turning this democracy into a kind of theocracy. I believe this is the exact premise of the Handmaid’s Tale, and why so many ex-Americans are living in Canada in that series. 

[scgal]

Aug 11, 2024 7:43:41 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 11, 2024 7:39:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't think you got the meaning. If there is fighting it could esclate to something very severe. I'm not talking about some rednecks with rifles either. These groups are highly armed, and well financed. Like I said I hope it doesn't happen because they are not going to care about casualties. Most likely the capitol will not be their target. We will be under martial law just to contain it no matter who is president. 

If the Wagner group did not succeed in Russia, I don't think whoever these peeps are will succeed here. We have military all over the world that can come back and neutralize them. 

It's not about the succeeding it's about the carnage that i'm worried about.

[billisonboard]

Aug 11, 2024 15:02:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 7:43:41 GMT -5 Opti said:

If the Wagner group did not succeed in Russia, I don't think whoever these peeps are will succeed here. We have military all over the world that can come back and neutralize them. 

It's not about the succeeding it's about the carnage that i'm worried about.

I just hope that most casualties are volunteer martyrs for Trump's ego.

[pulmonarymd]

Just sacrifices on the alter of freedom! Isn’t that what good conservatives believe

[Opti]

Aug 11, 2024 15:02:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 7:43:41 GMT -5 Opti said:

If the Wagner group did not succeed in Russia, I don't think whoever these peeps are will succeed here. We have military all over the world that can come back and neutralize them. 

It's not about the succeeding it's about the carnage that i'm worried about.

You have all those guns so you should be fine, right?

[Opti]

Aug 11, 2024 10:34:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 11, 2024 10:19:58 GMT -5 Opti said:

I don't think he will succeed. Organizations like the Proud Boys are aware that jail time would be in their future because of J6.
They can always become mercenaries for Putin and see if he will carve out a piece of Russia or Ukraine for them.

True Patriots are willing to die for their country.

These aren't true patriots. I thought you posted that brilliant folk song about the takeover of the wildlife refuge.

[scgal]

Aug 11, 2024 17:34:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 11, 2024 15:02:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

It's not about the succeeding it's about the carnage that i'm worried about.

You have all those guns so you should be fine, right?

Cute...I'm underpowered

[Opti]

Aug 11, 2024 17:39:09 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 17:34:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

You have all those guns so you should be fine, right?

Cute...I'm underpowered

Do you really think they will storm your house and raid your fridge on the way to DC?

[tallguy]

Aug 11, 2024 15:34:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 11, 2024 15:02:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

It's not about the succeeding it's about the carnage that i'm worried about.

I just hope that most casualties are volunteer martyrs for Trump's ego.

I hope their funeral pyre can be seen from Saturn.

[billisonboard]

Aug 11, 2024 17:35:22 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 11, 2024 10:34:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

True Patriots are willing to die for their country.

These aren't true patriots. I thought you posted that brilliant folk song about the takeover of the wildlife refuge.

True Patriots are willing to die for their country. You seemed to suggest Proud Boys would not act out of fear of a little jail time. My post was meant to be mocking in nature, i.e. if you are a True Patriots you would not only be willing to be imprisoned but die to save the country from godless commies, brown people, and a female politcian from Cali-forn-eye-ayyy.

[Opti]

Aug 11, 2024 19:35:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 11, 2024 17:35:22 GMT -5 Opti said:

These aren't true patriots. I thought you posted that brilliant folk song about the takeover of the wildlife refuge.

True Patriots are willing to die for their country. You seemed to suggest Proud Boys would not act out of fear of a little jail time. My post was meant to be mocking in nature, i.e. if you are a True Patriots you would not only be willing to be imprisoned but die to save the country from godless commies, brown people, and a female politcian from Cali-forn-eye-ayyy.

I think we will agree that Trump does not attract true patriots.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 11, 2024 17:39:09 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 17:34:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

You have all those guns so you should be fine, right?

Cute...I'm underpowered

this is PRECISELY the problem.
it is surprising how close we are on this issue,
when we get down to basics.

[scgal]

Aug 11, 2024 17:40:07 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 11, 2024 17:39:09 GMT -5 scgal said:

Cute...I'm underpowered

Do you really think they will storm your house and raid your fridge on the way to DC?

I say cute because there is nothing in my arsenal that could stop what may come. They sure wouldn't be worried about me. 

[scgal]

Aug 11, 2024 19:35:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 11, 2024 17:35:22 GMT -5 Opti said:

These aren't true patriots. I thought you posted that brilliant folk song about the takeover of the wildlife refuge.

True Patriots are willing to die for their country. You seemed to suggest Proud Boys would not act out of fear of a little jail time. My post was meant to be mocking in nature, i.e. if you are a True Patriots you would not only be willing to be imprisoned but die to save the country from godless commies, brown people, and a female politcian from Cali-forn-eye-ayyy.

Agreed. Now think much bigger, more sophisticated, higher financed. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm really concerned.

[billisonboard]

Aug 12, 2024 7:22:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 19:35:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

True Patriots are willing to die for their country. You seemed to suggest Proud Boys would not act out of fear of a little jail time. My post was meant to be mocking in nature, i.e. if you are a True Patriots you would not only be willing to be imprisoned but die to save the country from godless commies, brown people, and a female politcian from Cali-forn-eye-ayyy.

Agreed. Now think much bigger, more sophisticated, higher financed. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm really concerned.

It is tricky for me to develop major concern. I am an observer of the world by nature, and am a bit fatalistic. I also live quietly in a very red small town far from the population centers which make us a blue state. Unless some local boys decide they need to shoot themselves some democrats, I wouldn't be personally impacted. I am old and not physically up for soldiering. I have no guns nor plans to get one, so I would just be dead. I see anything likely to happen will be happening "out there."

Worst case, I don't see a protracted scenario like in the movie Civil War pitching the whole country into chaos. I see concentrated battle zones around population centers. Major destruction would be likely. Tens of thousands dead in bombings possible. I see duration of even 6 months of serious action unlikely. The "Rebel Forces" will either win or run out of resources quickly.

Unless Trump turns down the heat significantly, very unlikely, violence will come. No level of "concern" any of us might have is going to change that fact.

[happyhoix]

Aug 12, 2024 9:08:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 12, 2024 7:22:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

Agreed. Now think much bigger, more sophisticated, higher financed. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm really concerned.

It is tricky for me to develop major concern. I am an observer of the world by nature, and am a bit fatalistic. I also live quietly in a very red small town far from the population centers which make us a blue state. Unless some local boys decide they need to shoot themselves some democrats, I wouldn't be personally impacted. I am old and not physically up for soldiering. I have no guns nor plans to get one, so I would just be dead. I see anything likely to happen will be happening "out there."

Worst case, I don't see a protracted scenario like in the movie Civil War pitching the whole country into chaos. I see concentrated battle zones around population centers. Major destruction would be likely. Tens of thousands dead in bombings possible. I see duration of even 6 months of serious action unlikely. The "Rebel Forces" will either win or run out of resources quickly.

Unless Trump turns down the heat significantly, very unlikely, violence will come. No level of "concern" any of us might have is going to change that fact.

I agree. The militia types will cause a stink but it will be localized.

I wonder, though, if any of our enemies will see this as an opening to attack us, siding with the militia?

If they do, I think it might backfire on them. Nothing would pull Americans together faster than an external assault.

[scgal]

Aug 12, 2024 9:08:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 12, 2024 7:22:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

Agreed. Now think much bigger, more sophisticated, higher financed. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm really concerned.

It is tricky for me to develop major concern. I am an observer of the world by nature, and am a bit fatalistic. I also live quietly in a very red small town far from the population centers which make us a blue state. Unless some local boys decide they need to shoot themselves some democrats, I wouldn't be personally impacted. I am old and not physically up for soldiering. I have no guns nor plans to get one, so I would just be dead. I see anything likely to happen will be happening "out there."

Worst case, I don't see a protracted scenario like in the movie Civil War pitching the whole country into chaos. I see concentrated battle zones around population centers. Major destruction would be likely. Tens of thousands dead in bombings possible. I see duration of even 6 months of serious action unlikely. The "Rebel Forces" will either win or run out of resources quickly.

Unless Trump turns down the heat significantly, very unlikely, violence will come. No level of "concern" any of us might have is going to change that fact.

I'm thinking much larger designated survivor type shit. Not the local idiot with a rifle and few thousand rounds. High financed heavily armed. 

[happyhoix]

Aug 12, 2024 12:18:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 12, 2024 9:08:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It is tricky for me to develop major concern. I am an observer of the world by nature, and am a bit fatalistic. I also live quietly in a very red small town far from the population centers which make us a blue state. Unless some local boys decide they need to shoot themselves some democrats, I wouldn't be personally impacted. I am old and not physically up for soldiering. I have no guns nor plans to get one, so I would just be dead. I see anything likely to happen will be happening "out there."

Worst case, I don't see a protracted scenario like in the movie Civil War pitching the whole country into chaos. I see concentrated battle zones around population centers. Major destruction would be likely. Tens of thousands dead in bombings possible. I see duration of even 6 months of serious action unlikely. The "Rebel Forces" will either win or run out of resources quickly.

Unless Trump turns down the heat significantly, very unlikely, violence will come. No level of "concern" any of us might have is going to change that fact.

I'm thinking much larger designated survivor type shit. Not the local idiot with a rifle and few thousand rounds. High financed heavily armed. 

You don’t think the federal government is aware of arms trafficking and wouldn’t notice some attempting to bring tanks and anti aircraft weapons into the country?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 12, 2024 7:22:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 19:35:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

True Patriots are willing to die for their country. You seemed to suggest Proud Boys would not act out of fear of a little jail time. My post was meant to be mocking in nature, i.e. if you are a True Patriots you would not only be willing to be imprisoned but die to save the country from godless commies, brown people, and a female politcian from Cali-forn-eye-ayyy.

Agreed. Now think much bigger, more sophisticated, higher financed. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm really concerned.

i am not that worried, unless the military sides with the insurrection.  then we are doomed.  this is why fuckwads like Flynn scare me far more than fuckwads like Steve Bannon.

[scgal]

Aug 12, 2024 12:26:43 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 12, 2024 12:18:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

I'm thinking much larger designated survivor type shit. Not the local idiot with a rifle and few thousand rounds. High financed heavily armed. 

You don’t think the federal government is aware of arms trafficking and wouldn’t notice some attempting to bring tanks and anti aircraft weapons into the country?

You don't think that it is not already here in the wrong hands and all legally. 

[happyhoix]

Aug 12, 2024 12:34:01 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 12, 2024 12:26:43 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

You don’t think the federal government is aware of arms trafficking and wouldn’t notice some attempting to bring tanks and anti aircraft weapons into the country?

You don't think that it is not already here in the wrong hands and all legally. 

Ok the only ones who can legally have those kinds of weapons is the military.

So you think the military will rise up to set Trump on the throne if Harris wins?

I think you are wrong about that. Military leaders take a pledge to uphold the constitution and the duly elected president. Most very pointedly do not take political positions. You may get a few rogue groups, especially in the local national guards, but the rest of the military will stay loyal to the constitution.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 12, 2024 12:59:30 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 12, 2024 12:34:01 GMT -5 scgal said:

You don't think that it is not already here in the wrong hands and all legally. 

Ok the only ones who can legally have those kinds of weapons is the military.

So you think the military will rise up to set Trump on the throne if Harris wins?

I think you are wrong about that. Military leaders take a pledge to uphold the constitution and the duly elected president. Most very pointedly do not take political positions. You may get a few rogue groups, especially in the local national guards, but the rest of the military will stay loyal to the constitution.

this is part of what happened in 2020, but a very small part.  the major brass would not cooperate.  but there were a few loons that went along with the idea.  just not many.  and i think even fewer would do it this time, but it might be similar.  the advantage is that we now know what Trump is.  the disadvantage is that he has been working against that advantage for four years.