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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 9, 2020 18:20:34 GMT -5
While I sympathize with everyone who is suffering from the pandemic and the restrictions imposed, the issue is that everyone has things they need to do to remain sane. This is part of the reason we are in the state we are in. So, person A does x, person B does Y, person C does Z. And we all think they are equally important. To keep spread of the virus manageable, and try to limit deaths, we need to draw a line somewhere. Some people will be more affected than others. If we could have had competent leadership and decided what is really important, we could be in a better spot. But bars, sports, and other less essential activities have to be the ones sacrificed so we can have other, more important things. I am personally tired of all this, and have sacrificed things I wish to do. But there really is no other option. And if we continue down this path, by news years we may be in an untenable situation So what line would you draw? On one hand I feel like we are super stringent, but we have concessions, and I hate to remove our few remaining activities for the kids. Do we cut out all in person activities with 2+ households? Indoor ones? Indoor but masked, total household exposure, etc. I heard that 1 in 20 people have it in Colorado and I'm at decision fatigue trying to figure the right answer.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 9, 2020 18:22:35 GMT -5
While I sympathize with everyone who is suffering from the pandemic and the restrictions imposed, the issue is that everyone has things they need to do to remain sane. This is part of the reason we are in the state we are in. So, person A does x, person B does Y, person C does Z. And we all think they are equally important. To keep spread of the virus manageable, and try to limit deaths, we need to draw a line somewhere. Some people will be more affected than others. If we could have had competent leadership and decided what is really important, we could be in a better spot. But bars, sports, and other less essential activities have to be the ones sacrificed so we can have other, more important things. I am personally tired of all this, and have sacrificed things I wish to do. But there really is no other option. And if we continue down this path, by news years we may be in an untenable situation With the case counts where I live, I will keep sacrificing and staying home. We are running out of hospital beds and staff. I will not contribute to that problem.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 9, 2020 18:27:36 GMT -5
While I sympathize with everyone who is suffering from the pandemic and the restrictions imposed, the issue is that everyone has things they need to do to remain sane. This is part of the reason we are in the state we are in. So, person A does x, person B does Y, person C does Z. And we all think they are equally important. To keep spread of the virus manageable, and try to limit deaths, we need to draw a line somewhere. Some people will be more affected than others. If we could have had competent leadership and decided what is really important, we could be in a better spot. But bars, sports, and other less essential activities have to be the ones sacrificed so we can have other, more important things. I am personally tired of all this, and have sacrificed things I wish to do. But there really is no other option. And if we continue down this path, by news years we may be in an untenable situation So what line would you draw? On one hand I feel like we are super stringent, but we have concessions, and I hate to remove our few remaining activities for the kids. Do we cut out all in person activities with 2+ households? Indoor ones? Indoor but masked, total household exposure, etc. I heard that 1 in 20 people have it in Colorado and I'm at decision fatigue trying to figure the right answer. I think school is the most important thing to open once you have the essentials covered. All school extracurricular’s would depend on how pervasive the virus is. We screwed this up from the beginning when things were shut. There should have been a graded reopening based on infections. You open some, wait, open some, etc. masks would help you open up. I think the pod approach to personal interactions is the way to go. You plan who you wish to socialize with, and keep your social circle small Opening bars is crazy, having large gatherings, sports tournaments, and other in person entertainment is difficult to condone
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 9, 2020 18:29:44 GMT -5
While I sympathize with everyone who is suffering from the pandemic and the restrictions imposed, the issue is that everyone has things they need to do to remain sane. This is part of the reason we are in the state we are in. So, person A does x, person B does Y, person C does Z. And we all think they are equally important. To keep spread of the virus manageable, and try to limit deaths, we need to draw a line somewhere. Some people will be more affected than others. If we could have had competent leadership and decided what is really important, we could be in a better spot. But bars, sports, and other less essential activities have to be the ones sacrificed so we can have other, more important things. I am personally tired of all this, and have sacrificed things I wish to do. But there really is no other option. And if we continue down this path, by news years we may be in an untenable situation With the case counts where I live, I will keep sacrificing and staying home. We are running out of hospital beds and staff. I will not contribute to that problem. When you get to that pint, you are in major trouble, and unless you do something drastic to contain infections, are going to be in a place I don’t want to imagine. You need to protect yourself and pray. Good luck, I wish I could give better advice
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 9, 2020 18:39:32 GMT -5
While I sympathize with everyone who is suffering from the pandemic and the restrictions imposed, the issue is that everyone has things they need to do to remain sane. This is part of the reason we are in the state we are in. So, person A does x, person B does Y, person C does Z. And we all think they are equally important. To keep spread of the virus manageable, and try to limit deaths, we need to draw a line somewhere. Some people will be more affected than others. If we could have had competent leadership and decided what is really important, we could be in a better spot. But bars, sports, and other less essential activities have to be the ones sacrificed so we can have other, more important things. I am personally tired of all this, and have sacrificed things I wish to do. But there really is no other option. And if we continue down this path, by news years we may be in an untenable situation "Sports" - going to an indoor stadium and watching a professional game with ten thousand people or "Sports" - 12 kids on an outside field with one adult in a mask? I see a huge difference.
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Post by teen persuasion on Nov 9, 2020 19:13:34 GMT -5
My region's positivity rate reached 5%! Even outside the microclusters, the state's rate is 2 something % and rising (from below 1%). Cuomo is labeling part of Erie county a yellow zone (also Monroe and Onondaga counties, so cities #2, 3, and 4 in the state). Yellow zone restrictions don't seem like much of anything (except for the bars must close at midnight, horrors) but there's a requirement that schools test 20% of students weekly. Ok, sounds reasonable, right? There's instant tests from the state for this. Well, DH says he's likely going to full remote by the end of the week due to this. His school is in Erie county, but they have no way to test, no guidance. Then there's county residence issues - he can't be tested in E county, he'd have to be tested by our county. He also has students from a variety of counties, they'd also have to be tested by their home counties. So the administration expects to be forced to go remote because they can't comply with testing requirements. And yet schools don't go fully remote until they reach red zone, under the color scheme plan. Even with the majority of the increase in E county, it's still spilling over into my county. We had 151 new cases yesterday, highest ever. A bunch were at a university on the other side of the county, 47 at last count, and 160 quarantining due to contact there. It seems most of the blame is being put on Halloween parties across the region for the uptick. Up to this point, the schools have been very good - any positives are from outside contacts, not in school (especially travel sports teams and private parties).
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 9, 2020 19:14:43 GMT -5
While I sympathize with everyone who is suffering from the pandemic and the restrictions imposed, the issue is that everyone has things they need to do to remain sane. This is part of the reason we are in the state we are in. So, person A does x, person B does Y, person C does Z. And we all think they are equally important. To keep spread of the virus manageable, and try to limit deaths, we need to draw a line somewhere. Some people will be more affected than others. If we could have had competent leadership and decided what is really important, we could be in a better spot. But bars, sports, and other less essential activities have to be the ones sacrificed so we can have other, more important things. I am personally tired of all this, and have sacrificed things I wish to do. But there really is no other option. And if we continue down this path, by news years we may be in an untenable situation "Sports" - going to an indoor stadium and watching a professional game with ten thousand people or "Sports" - 12 kids on an outside field with one adult in a mask? I see a huge difference. If that is what it is, sure. But when I drive by some fields, that is not what I see. There are a significant numbers of spectators, few of them socially distanced
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Post by Opti on Nov 9, 2020 19:18:17 GMT -5
While I sympathize with everyone who is suffering from the pandemic and the restrictions imposed, the issue is that everyone has things they need to do to remain sane. This is part of the reason we are in the state we are in. So, person A does x, person B does Y, person C does Z. And we all think they are equally important. To keep spread of the virus manageable, and try to limit deaths, we need to draw a line somewhere. Some people will be more affected than others. If we could have had competent leadership and decided what is really important, we could be in a better spot. But bars, sports, and other less essential activities have to be the ones sacrificed so we can have other, more important things. I am personally tired of all this, and have sacrificed things I wish to do. But there really is no other option. And if we continue down this path, by news years we may be in an untenable situation "Sports" - going to an indoor stadium and watching a professional game with ten thousand people or "Sports" - 12 kids on an outside field with one adult in a mask? I see a huge difference. I think that's one of the many things that should be addressed and could have been addressed back in April. Playing tennis is less risky than playing football. Track and field could be modified to be safer instead of crowded races.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 20:27:53 GMT -5
If everyone would have sacrificed their church service, sports, school, and other non-essential activities for a month or two, and the government issued stimulus like every other civilized country did, we would be in a much better place.
Public health and the CDC need to issue clear guidance on what should be "safe" and "permitted" and when.
Instead, we have an orange toddler trying to stage a coup, get his narcissistic supply by watching his actions kill people en masse, and a pandemic spreading fast enough to devastate our healthcare system.
Winning...
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 9, 2020 20:46:33 GMT -5
We gave up all of that for nearly 3 months before a slow reopen. A monthly stimulus might have helped slow the reopen even more...maybe but I'm not positive. It wouldnt help small business or most self employed peoole. Regardless we're still fucked now.
I'm feeling pretty hopeless right now.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 9, 2020 22:28:43 GMT -5
"Sports" - going to an indoor stadium and watching a professional game with ten thousand people or "Sports" - 12 kids on an outside field with one adult in a mask? I see a huge difference. If that is what it is, sure. But when I drive by some fields, that is not what I see. There are a significant numbers of spectators, few of them socially distanced I can't defend other people's choices or situations, I can only say the reasons I have chosen to take the risk of sending my son to soccer. My son is driving age, so very few spectators go to his practices - we don't go either. For games, we are outside, wearing masks and 6 feet apart from other parents. Some of the fields are half empty (half the fields being used, so an entire field between us an another game). Others, have more space between fields and we are able to stay away from other games. They have changed the rules on where spectators can sit, so we can now sit behind the goals, or in the golf cart lanes and they re-arranged the team benches. Even people who are clearly annoyed by the whole situation are being respectful of others. My friend watched her son's football game streamed live. Football would make me more nervous - Huddles, and the two lines facing each other, etc, but I am not sure what their safety measures are. Maybe football players aren't breathing into each other any more than soccer players. Basketball, even though they are inside, the teams are smaller. If they stream the game and disallow spectators, maybe the good outweighs the bad.
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Post by irishpad on Nov 9, 2020 23:00:41 GMT -5
We have pretty strict procedures at our school and church. There have been several positive cases but none stemming from contact in the school or church so I think we have been doing pretty well. In the school, we keep students in pods so that has limited the number of students / teachers that have had to go into quarantine. People need to practice the same principles that we have in our institution in their day to day life. It's easy to blame the institutions, but we need to be consistent in our personal lives also. Granted, some institutions have been reckless and they are responsible for that behavior, but don't lump us all into the same batch
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 9, 2020 23:03:37 GMT -5
If that is what it is, sure. But when I drive by some fields, that is not what I see. There are a significant numbers of spectators, few of them socially distanced I can't defend other people's choices or situations, I can only say the reasons I have chosen to take the risk of sending my son to soccer. My son is driving age, so very few spectators go to his practices - we don't go either. For games, we are outside, wearing masks and 6 feet apart from other parents. Some of the fields are half empty (half the fields being used, so an entire field between us an another game). Others, have more space between fields and we are able to stay away from other games. They have changed the rules on where spectators can sit, so we can now sit behind the goals, or in the golf cart lanes and they re-arranged the team benches. Even people who are clearly annoyed by the whole situation are being respectful of others. My friend watched her son's football game streamed live. Football would make me more nervous - Huddles, and the two lines facing each other, etc, but I am not sure what their safety measures are. Maybe football players aren't breathing into each other any more than soccer players. Basketball, even though they are inside, the teams are smaller. If they stream the game and disallow spectators, maybe the good outweighs the bad. The problem we are in is that we have to sacrifice something. Not everything can be open, and some things are more important than others. For you, sports is important. Others, not so much. Some people will be disappointed, or we will have worsening spread of the virus. Something has to give.
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Post by irishpad on Nov 9, 2020 23:11:25 GMT -5
pulmonarymd I would not be opposed to a shut down of church's again. The last 5 months have been intense with funerals, wedding baptisms (20 just the last 4 weeks and we do all of them individually to keep family contacts separate) I could use a break
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 10, 2020 6:58:07 GMT -5
pulmonarymd I would not be opposed to a shut down of church's again. The last 5 months have been intense with funerals, wedding baptisms (20 just the last 4 weeks and we do all of them individually to keep family contacts separate) I could use a break Don’t think either one of us is going to get that lucky
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 10, 2020 8:40:21 GMT -5
With the case counts where I live, I will keep sacrificing and staying home. We are running out of hospital beds and staff. I will not contribute to that problem. When you get to that pint, you are in major trouble, and unless you do something drastic to contain infections, are going to be in a place I don’t want to imagine. You need to protect yourself and pray. Good luck, I wish I could give better advice Tell me about it. The governor is supposed to have a press conference today. I expect her to do nothing except say Iowans will do the right thing. That is why I am staying home except for grocery pick up and drive thru chai. That is my big treat. The governor won't even do a mask mandate. She said while she was out campaigning for a month people told her they want a choice. She was only talking to Republicans at those events. Pictures showed she was not usually masked nor were the attendees. The state positivity rate yesterday was 29%. We are screwed.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 10, 2020 8:43:44 GMT -5
If everyone would have sacrificed their church service, sports, school, and other non-essential activities for a month or two, and the government issued stimulus like every other civilized country did, we would be in a much better place. Public health and the CDC need to issue clear guidance on what should be "safe" and "permitted" and when. Instead, we have an orange toddler trying to stage a coup, get his narcissistic supply by watching his actions kill people en masse, and a pandemic spreading fast enough to devastate our healthcare system. Winning... Would we be in a "much better place"? I guess we have to define "much better" - but it isn't like the rest of the world is beating it. They are doing better than us, but they aren't in control. There are very few countries that are winning.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 10, 2020 8:47:03 GMT -5
Last week, Iowa held the girls' state volleyball tournament. It was televised. I watched some matches in their entirety and parts of the others. There were 5 matches.
Masks were required for entry. Students sections were just like everything is normal. Every time they panned to the crowd many of the students had their masks around their chin. They didn't show the parents' sections to I have no idea of what they were doing.
They did enforce any player and coach not in the game had to wear a mask. The officials enforced that. The players on the court did not have to wear a mask. I did see the usual high 5's when players were substituted.
The announcers were in a studio, not at the event.
The softball tournament in August was a scene of no mask wearing and no social distancing.
My cousin, who is a doctor, in Des Moines, put a plea for people not to have Thanksgiving with anyone outside their own household, to wear a mask when not at home and to social distance. He said they are out of hospital beds and staff to care for them. I don't expect our freedom loving cousins to heed his advice.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 10, 2020 12:38:59 GMT -5
I can't defend other people's choices or situations, I can only say the reasons I have chosen to take the risk of sending my son to soccer. My son is driving age, so very few spectators go to his practices - we don't go either. For games, we are outside, wearing masks and 6 feet apart from other parents. Some of the fields are half empty (half the fields being used, so an entire field between us an another game). Others, have more space between fields and we are able to stay away from other games. They have changed the rules on where spectators can sit, so we can now sit behind the goals, or in the golf cart lanes and they re-arranged the team benches. Even people who are clearly annoyed by the whole situation are being respectful of others. My friend watched her son's football game streamed live. Football would make me more nervous - Huddles, and the two lines facing each other, etc, but I am not sure what their safety measures are. Maybe football players aren't breathing into each other any more than soccer players. Basketball, even though they are inside, the teams are smaller. If they stream the game and disallow spectators, maybe the good outweighs the bad. The problem we are in is that we have to sacrifice something. Not everything can be open, and some things are more important than others. For you, sports is important. Others, not so much. Some people will be disappointed, or we will have worsening spread of the virus. Something has to give. I think everyone is sacrificing. Nobody is getting everything they want, and few are even asking for everything. The amount of activities, events and places to go that are canceled or closed is significanlty larger than the things that are still open and happening - especially if you count in terms of headcount per instance. And the number of things that are still happening without significant changes is even smaller. A national mask mandate would be far more efficacious than a "lockdown" given that we have found out that everyone still needs groceries and hospitals and pharmacies and gas stations and car repairs and take out and housing and plumbers and income and dog food and human contact and booze and exercise and package deliveries. There are just too many things we are not able to cancel. Adding on a few more things, adjusted for the situation, to keep people placated isn't the problem. The problem is letting things happen with no adjustments. And that was a national leadership problem, which encouraged a local leadership problem.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 10, 2020 13:31:02 GMT -5
State volleyball tournament is now being called a super spreader event as people who attended are testing positive.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Nov 10, 2020 13:50:28 GMT -5
While I sympathize with everyone who is suffering from the pandemic and the restrictions imposed, the issue is that everyone has things they need to do to remain sane. This is part of the reason we are in the state we are in. So, person A does x, person B does Y, person C does Z. And we all think they are equally important. To keep spread of the virus manageable, and try to limit deaths, we need to draw a line somewhere. Some people will be more affected than others. If we could have had competent leadership and decided what is really important, we could be in a better spot. But bars, sports, and other less essential activities have to be the ones sacrificed so we can have other, more important things. I am personally tired of all this, and have sacrificed things I wish to do. But there really is no other option. And if we continue down this path, by news years we may be in an untenable situation With the case counts where I live, I will keep sacrificing and staying home. We are running out of hospital beds and staff. I will not contribute to that problem. That’s how I feel about it. I have a job I can do from home, so there’s really no reason for me to be out and about.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Nov 10, 2020 13:51:00 GMT -5
State volleyball tournament is now being called a super spreader event as people who attended are testing positive. Again, I will never understand the sports people.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Nov 10, 2020 13:54:40 GMT -5
If everyone would have sacrificed their church service, sports, school, and other non-essential activities for a month or two, and the government issued stimulus like every other civilized country did, we would be in a much better place. Public health and the CDC need to issue clear guidance on what should be "safe" and "permitted" and when. Instead, we have an orange toddler trying to stage a coup, get his narcissistic supply by watching his actions kill people en masse, and a pandemic spreading fast enough to devastate our healthcare system. Winning... It was the Democrat lead house that held up the last round of stimulus that would’ve helped people. They were so intent on getting bail outs for a big city budgets but they were perfectly content to keep people from getting extra unemployment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 13:56:07 GMT -5
State volleyball tournament is now being called a super spreader event as people who attended are testing positive. At this point, your area has reached that state Fauci warned about a few months ago where you have to actively protect yourself from the rest of the population. There is, unfortunately, a large section of the US population refusing to do what's necessary to help stop the spread. They are selfish. They are willing to die for Trump's stupidity. They refuse to listen to science. And, we have to actively protect ourselves from them as they kill themselves and others off. There's a March on Washington for Trump this weekend in Washington DC. There's liable to be riots in the street regardless of how this election mess shakes out. If you (the general you) are so inclined and able, I would stock up and prepare to avoid the world as much as possible in the next couple of months. Living in a big city makes it even more urgent.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 10, 2020 14:07:38 GMT -5
If everyone would have sacrificed their church service, sports, school, and other non-essential activities for a month or two, and the government issued stimulus like every other civilized country did, we would be in a much better place. Public health and the CDC need to issue clear guidance on what should be "safe" and "permitted" and when. Instead, we have an orange toddler trying to stage a coup, get his narcissistic supply by watching his actions kill people en masse, and a pandemic spreading fast enough to devastate our healthcare system. Winning... It was the Democrat lead house that held up the last round of stimulus that would’ve helped people. They were so intent on getting bail outs for a big city budgets but they were perfectly content to keep people from getting extra unemployment. Keep telling yourself that. What has the senate passed? The senate wanted liability protection in its bill. And next year, when red states budgets are also a mess due to their refusal to control their pandemic, will it then be ok to bail them out because they are in trouble?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 14:44:14 GMT -5
Ultimately, we can work together to control COVID and protect our healthcare system or we can play politics.
So far, the USA has chosen to play politics. And, one side has a psychopathic narcissist, science-denying leader.
And, here we are.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 10, 2020 18:25:35 GMT -5
I don't live in a big city but I will be mostly staying in for the foreseeable future.
Governor did issue some "mandates" today but no mask mandate.
She is limiting attends at high school and recreational sports to two people per student athlete. The local booster club is quite upset about not being able to attend basketball games and wrestling matches I guess.
The state football championships are going ahead this weekend, in a domed stadium. For some reason the boys' athletic union thinks they are exempt from the 2 person per student athlete rule.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 13, 2020 15:51:56 GMT -5
Got an update email from the district superintendent. Despite the local covid disaster, the plan is to continue in person school for now, while there is no apparent in school spread, and student and staff numbers are low: "Looking at our District-wide data can be helpful:
Currently we have 13 students that are active confirmed positive cases. With approximately 3,000 students in-person learning that is .43% of our student body, or less than ½ of a percent.
Currently we have 84 students in quarantine due to being identified as a close contact, in most cases a person in their home. With approximately 3,000 students in-person learning that is 2.8% of our student body. This means 97.2% of our students are able to attend and keep learning. The attendance rate on November 13, 2019 was 96.012% present and on November 13, 2018 it was 95.852% present.
Currently we have 1 staff member that is an active confirmed positive case."
I'm actually surprised they are low. I'd think it might be due to asymptomatic cases in kids, but the staff numbers are even lower--nearly non-existent. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if we suddenly switch back to remote learning, and the email said to be prepared for that possibility.
There is a more urban district in my area that has been remote all school year, and there is a small, rich district that recently switched to remote due to so many students out on quarantine. I'm not sure what the other districts in my area are doing. My district is suburban and on the richer side, but also has a decent share of African American students these days (which is good, but a little higher risk for serious covid per my understanding).
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Post by irishpad on Nov 13, 2020 16:14:09 GMT -5
So our current situation.
We have not had a single Covid infection traced to time in school or at our parish Masses (4000 members, about 40% attendance of pre-covid and have been having Masses again since the end of May) So our strict protocols seem to be working well for us.
However, we have had several parishioners and students get Covid in settings outside of the school/parish. For instance with the school we have seen slight spikes after the MEA (Minnesota Education Association) break where there were two days off from school and a smaller spike after Halloween.
So the problem: When kids and families are on the strict schedule, things seem to be going reasonably well. But with Thanksgiving and Christmas coming up, I'm afraid they will let their guard down again for those times and thus make it hard for us to continue with school or Masses. The next couple of weeks I'll be doing my best fire and brimstone impersonation trying to convince families to just be with immediate household for the holidays. If they don't, it affects us all.
Another rant: Totally disgusted with the "no maskers" The Diocese across the river just lost a priest due to Covid. He was a few years younger that me (I'm 58) and he was a no masker. Got to meet his maker due to his stance.
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