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Post by giramomma on Oct 28, 2020 20:11:25 GMT -5
Parents are so desperate to get their kids out of their hair, they don't care. And again, part of it is the attitude towards outsourcing. If the housecleaner was hired, you assume someone else has vetted their competence as a cleaner. You don't think twice about doing background checks, making sure the cleaner is properly bonded and assure. You just want to fork over you money and come home to a clean house. Parents just want to send their kids to school, make sure the homework gets done before parents come home from work, and then parents will feed and drive the kids to travel sports. That's what most of the parents at our school want. It’s not as simple as that. You’re assuming that the parents are actually able to successfully teach their kids while keeping a roof over their heads and food on the table. Most employers aren’t going to tolerate employees that do a half assed job for a year or more because they’re trying to homeschool their children. Not every couple with school-age kids have jobs that can be done from home. And not everybody is able to teach their children whether they’re working or not. At the girls' parochial school, it actually is. We've been there for 11 years. The culture doesn't change, even if families move through faster than we will. In the 11 years I've been there, I know/knew exactly three single moms with no support, two the father of their children is incarcerated.
There are very little working class parents at our kids school. One of the above moms happens to be.
There are no sanitation folks, workers who drive plows in the winter, fire fighters, police officers. There are some folks, like nurses married to someone with an unstable work schedule that minimize childcare costs by doing things like working opposite shifts, like DH and I do. Those that are highly compensated either have someone staying at home full time or can afford to hire a nanny. And I'd agree that no everyone is able to teach their kids, particularly at the HS level. I wouldn't want to touch geometry with a 12 foot pole. But, the girls' school is 4K-8..so we don't have to worry about such things. I also don't really feel like we are "teaching" the peanut. Overseeing her work..yes.(OK. Do your cursive and tell me when your done. You are done with cursive? Ok. Practice your spelling words.)...Reading through a math workbook with her and maybe talking through some concepts she doesn't get. I really do consider these things to be in the parenting realm, not the teaching realm.
But. I'm not coming up with the lesson plans, learning objectives, assessments, the list goes on and on. Given that I also moonlight as a teacher, I can absolutely say that how I teach my students is not how I work with my bio kids.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 28, 2020 20:19:58 GMT -5
Your area is considered remote according to our state's COVID protocols, so they might have been open. However, statewide, fourth through twelfth grade is not open in our state except for what's termed "limited in-person instruction". The rural communities demanded an exemption and were granted it. I'm sure COVID loves exemptions. They closed the elementary, middle, and high school in Burns for 2 weeks for "deep cleaning" and to see where the community spread is by then. I was surprised they closed, but I really don't think they have much choice.
In our state, based on the RSSL, there is clear definition of "rural" and "remote". Not all areas are both. Not all counties asked for exemptions. Not all counties that asked were granted them. The state government will deny funding if a district blatantly defies the RSSL.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 28, 2020 20:21:27 GMT -5
It doesn't look as if our school district will go back before January, even though all of the suburban Atlanta school districts are offering an in-person option. My district has asked parents to decide whether their students will remain virtual or return to a hybrid in-class/virtual setting. There are certainly plenty of parents screaming that if you're choosing to send your children back then clearly you don't care about other people. I do care about the pandemic. I don't want anyone to get sick. I am prioritizing the emotional health of my children. It's a super hard decision for everyone involved--regardless of the decision they make.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 28, 2020 20:32:36 GMT -5
I'm going to be intentionally vague. I have a teacher telling me they're sick with a fever and headaches, and now they're saying they didn't meant it. They've changed their story because now it means that they can't take their child to school for Halloween costumes tomorrow.
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Post by oped on Oct 28, 2020 20:38:46 GMT -5
What's the general rule for sick right now? I'd have her follow those protocols and no she can't bring the kid to school for Halloween. Be lucky she isn't being more formally reprimanded for lying.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 28, 2020 20:47:31 GMT -5
I'm going to be intentionally vague. I have a teacher telling me they're sick with a fever and headaches, and now they're saying they didn't meant it. They've changed their story because now it means that they can't take their child to school for Halloween costumes tomorrow.
Wow, that's really shitty of the teacher. Either he/she lied because they didn't want to come to work or they don't care about the health of others. What did you tell them?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 28, 2020 20:57:00 GMT -5
Our school isn't doing Halloween costumes this year.
The screening for my work, is any one of: fever, uncontrolled coughing, or shortness of breath, or two of: sore throat, severe headache, diarrhea, vomiting, abdominal pain. I'm not sure if there isn't one or two more, but that teacher totally should stay home and get tested by these criteria.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 28, 2020 21:52:40 GMT -5
These are the protocols.
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Post by oped on Oct 28, 2020 21:55:31 GMT -5
Is lying fireable?
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 28, 2020 22:11:22 GMT -5
Depends on where the person is on the progressive discipline journey.
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Post by oped on Oct 28, 2020 22:12:55 GMT -5
Right. Sigh. I am not sure I could trust her? Can you send her home till she gets a negative test? Obviously no coming with the kid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 9:30:16 GMT -5
I know that my kids were glad when schools opened up for hybrid option, even though they had to wear a mask, keep distance and have no contact. I was glad for them as I trusted that the schools would take all the precautions they promised and was hoping that this would award them the minimum of social contact they craved. It is very lonely being cut off from friends and extended family for such a long time even if it is for the best. We had to evaluate weekly the need to preserve both their physical health and emotional health. Online chats go only so far 7 months later. We are continuing to do everything we can to keep them safe and healthy, but this will be a long and hard winter. I get that- my great-nieces and -nephews are having varied reactions to schooling at home. Some are just fine because they can learn at their own pace and in their own ways (with appropriate supervision to make sure they meet objectives) and others are climbing the walls because they miss their friends and can't sit still in front of the computer for the long scheduled intervals required. And yes, the article about the effects of lockdown on residents in long-term care facilities hit home- Dad is in one and it's a very good one but it's killing family nearby. All they can do is see him through glass and talk on the phone. They do put him into a wheel chair and take him out by the nurse's station and occasionally to the dining room, which is a major effort given that he can't do it himself- but we miss being able to talk face-to-face, bring him favorite foods, help him with technology, etc.
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Post by oped on Oct 29, 2020 10:05:51 GMT -5
Just to point out... most homeschoolers do NOT spend all or even most of their time at home, even us introverts. So this is unprecedented times for everyone.
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 29, 2020 10:05:55 GMT -5
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Post by oped on Oct 29, 2020 10:07:12 GMT -5
We could have prioritized schooling. We did not.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Oct 30, 2020 16:07:18 GMT -5
We could have prioritized schooling. We did not. Yeah that’s hard to say. On one hand, our numbers have quadrupled since September, and the only thing that’s changed is the fact that the kids are in school. We’ve been open since Late June , and our numbers were trending down between the middle of July and September. On the other hand, school kids represent disproportionately small share of the cases. And there’s a lot of contact tracing testing still being done around here. So you’d think that asymptomatic kids who infected their parents would get picked up. So it could be asymptomatic school kids spreading disease, or there could be something else going on.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 30, 2020 16:53:07 GMT -5
We could have prioritized schooling. We did not. Yeah that’s hard to say. On one hand, our numbers have quadrupled since September, and the only thing that’s changed is the fact that the kids are in school. We’ve been open since Late June , and our numbers were trending down between the middle of July and September. On the other hand, school kids represent disproportionately small share of the cases. And there’s a lot of contact tracing testing still being done around here. So you’d think that asymptomatic kids who infected their parents would get picked up. So it could be asymptomatic school kids spreading disease, or there could be something else going on. School opened up right after Labor Day, which also coinsided with gyms, theaters, and a few other venues opening up--the last vestiges of the shutdown. Prior to that, cases in my county were increasing by 0-10/day. After that, cases increased by 0-20/day. A half week after Trump brought his superspreader rally to my county airport, cases have risen by, well let me start just prior to the rally, just to demonstrate a little of the trend prior to the rally boost: 16th 18 cases 17th day of rally 15 cases 19th (Sun + Mon) 22 cases for the 2 days combined 20th. 16 cases 21st. 26 cases 22nd 48 cases. Hello, I've never seen such a high number. I've tracked since the beginning. 23rd 38 cases this is still significantly higher than I had seen until the 48 24th 85 cases 26th 69 cases (for the 2 days) 27th 53 cases 28th 79 cases 29th 116 cases. (what?!) 30th 101 cases Prior to this last week, I thought we might be able to swing trick or treat for the kids in some kind of safe manner. I'm no longer even going to chance it. That ticks me off, because it didn't have to be this way.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 30, 2020 17:49:52 GMT -5
There is some upper limit of soci as l interaction that can occur before cases increase. We failed to come up with a coherent plan, and The trump administration continuously interfered with the cdc when they attempted to provide guidance. Governors cared about opening bars instead of focusing on what was truly important and necessary.
So now here we are, soon to have 100k cases a day, soon to pass our peak hospitalizations, followed by an increase in deaths. Hope all those who didn’t listen are hsppy
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 30, 2020 18:32:01 GMT -5
AZ Governor Doug Ducey announced new, less stringent metrics for schools being open. He claimed to have worked with educators, but no one will take credit for the collaboration.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 31, 2020 10:11:27 GMT -5
Oregon's governor and department of education announced yesterday less stringent metrics for schools also. The governor did work with educators who work in the actual schools. I can assure everyone of this as I am married to one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 11:27:58 GMT -5
Oregon's governor and department of education announced yesterday less stringent metrics for schools also. The governor did work with educators who work in the actual schools. I can assure everyone of this as I am married to one of them. And, yet, even the CDC now admits those kids go home from school and infect everyone else... "Findings from a prospective household study with intensive daily observation for ≥7 consecutive days indicate that transmission of SARS-CoV-2 among household members was frequent from either children or adults." www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6944e1.htm?s_cid=mm6944e1_w
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Post by TheOtherMe on Oct 31, 2020 12:35:37 GMT -5
Iowa has set a new record for the number of people hospitalized every day since last Tuesday. Not a good record to have.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 13:14:54 GMT -5
The US hit 100K cases yesterday. It's now expected 500K will die by the time the new administration takes over. If Trump is reelected, this country is completely screwed and will have no healthcare system left by the time they leave. 2,000 healthcare workers in the US have already died from COVID and many more are working despite being positive. When a country kills off it's doctors and nurses, there is no healthcare - for COVID or anything else. One city in Belgium already has many of their healthcare workers infected. www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/europe/belgium-coronavirus-hospitals-intl/index.html
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 1, 2020 7:22:13 GMT -5
I won't say that anecdote = data, but our district is doing well. They're are various quarantines as needed, but no outbreaks. Elementary is in person, middle and highschool is hybrid.
I think theyre doung a lot of things right. Fewer bodies in school, handwashing at every entry, masks, social distancing and cleaning.
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Post by nittanycheme on Nov 2, 2020 9:04:43 GMT -5
Well, you know, the school systems sold the parents a bill of goods. Yeah, it was so expensive to live in those school districts, between the cost of houses AND the sky-high property taxes ("It's for the children") but it was worth all that money even if it took two parents working outside the home to foot the bill. And now they've changed the game and expect at least one responsible adult to be on the premises. Can't always be done. I am sure it is true for some people that they are tired of being around their own family they live with and have had to totally or partially quarantine with, their own school age kids included. I don't think it is true for all. I know that my kids were glad when schools opened up for hybrid option, even though they had to wear a mask, keep distance and have no contact. I was glad for them as I trusted that the schools would take all the precautions they promised and was hoping that this would award them the minimum of social contact they craved. It is very lonely being cut off from friends and extended family for such a long time even if it is for the best. We had to evaluate weekly the need to preserve both their physical health and emotional health. Online chats go only so far 7 months later. We are continuing to do everything we can to keep them safe and healthy, but this will be a long and hard winter. Here is an article that doesn't talk about school age children, but nursing home residents to show an extreme of what the lack of socialization can do: Her father fell victim to the pandemic. But it wasn't Covid that killed him.While I do feel sorry for these families, there are many, many older people in non-Covid days that suffered from social isolation. Many older people don't have families (for many reasons) or families that don't visit. I know when my dad and grandpa used to visit my grandma in the nursing home where she was the last few years because of her alzhiemer's, they used to talk about how many residents didn't have any visitors. That's what they use for meals on wheels volunteers too - usually they are the few people elderly people in their home see (or the mailman). I get that these are the lucky older folks who have family who care (or, at least, seem to. I'm sure my Uncle would've kicked up the same fuss about my grandma but he never visited and barely called), but not many people seemed to care about the social isolation of elders pre-covid. Maybe this will highlight that issue, but I'm sure post-covid most people will go back to not caring. Also, does anyone know with the USPS cutbacks are they still doing the wellness checks on elders? I know that was a program for a while.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 2, 2020 11:36:40 GMT -5
I won't say that anecdote = data, but our district is doing well. They're are various quarantines as needed, but no outbreaks. Elementary is in person, middle and highschool is hybrid. I think theyre doung a lot of things right. Fewer bodies in school, handwashing at every entry, masks, social distancing and cleaning. Same with our district.
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Post by azucena on Nov 3, 2020 12:39:47 GMT -5
7th grade teacher had COVID diagnosis 10/14 and hasn't been at school since. DD12's sore throat started 10/29 which seemed outside the window. Her throat would feel better by mid-day so I was thinking change in weather, dry furnace air, maybe a cold. Yesterday she added sniffles. I've kept her home since the 29th but have been sending DD8. Figured out yesterday that DD12 is one of 4 staying home the last couple of days. One friend has a slight fever, nothing else. Two others have a mom/dad that was exposed at work and then tested positive. Their kids haven't been tested since they are all quarantining anyway. Frustrated with the school that isn't telling us about those choosing to quarantine and parent positives - they reported the first few, anonymously of course. Now, it seems disingenuous that I had to notice the absentee list amongst DD's homework list, think man 4 out of 20 is a lot, and then call around and see what I could learn. I only called the 3rd family who volunteered the info on the 4th. Called the principal to see what she would tell me - she vaguely confirmed that she was beginning to notice a pattern and is watching closely and in contact with health dept. I pointed out that 3 of these 4 families, ours included, have siblings in second grade so it's a bit of potential double exposure. She hadn't realized that yet.
Called ped this morning and gave this info and requested test. DH took her so I can keep working. Now we wait 2-3 days keeping both kids at home and hunkering down even more than we have been.
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Post by azucena on Nov 3, 2020 13:07:23 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with the dr. Apparently they also did a strep test which was negative.
As I gave her the timeline of events, she was shocked that the teacher was positive and the class continued in person. The health dept said it was okay because all were masked (ie no more than 15 mins of unprotected time). Now, I'm feeling like I let DD down. And I was already experiencing decision fatigue and likely have let our guard down too much lately including halloween where we went to a handful of neighbors who had set out treat bags. We were outside and masked and kept distanced. And, we have upcoming things like the basketball season that I was leaning towards doing.
So tired. And crappy timing as everyone is anxious about the election. I haven't been able to concentrate on work this week.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 3, 2020 13:15:07 GMT -5
We started the year with a hybrid schedule. Half the class in for 2 days a week, other half 2 days a week. Everyone remote on Friday. When they are not in the class, then they zoom in from home. It's ok, but tough for teachers to manage.
We are now doing everyone in, but they can't maintain 6 feet across the board. As a result, if you're within 6 feet of infected student, you have to quarantine as well. This has become an issue as cases start to pile up. Our K-5 has 12 positive cases and almost 80 kids quarantined for 2 weeks.
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Post by anciana on Nov 3, 2020 13:29:23 GMT -5
7th grade teacher had COVID diagnosis 10/14 and hasn't been at school since. DD12's sore throat started 10/29 which seemed outside the window. Her throat would feel better by mid-day so I was thinking change in weather, dry furnace air, maybe a cold. Yesterday she added sniffles. I've kept her home since the 29th but have been sending DD8. Figured out yesterday that DD12 is one of 4 staying home the last couple of days. One friend has a slight fever, nothing else. Two others have a mom/dad that was exposed at work and then tested positive. Their kids haven't been tested since they are all quarantining anyway. Frustrated with the school that isn't telling us about those choosing to quarantine and parent positives - they reported the first few, anonymously of course. Now, it seems disingenuous that I had to notice the absentee list amongst DD's homework list, think man 4 out of 20 is a lot, and then call around and see what I could learn. I only called the 3rd family who volunteered the info on the 4th. Called the principal to see what she would tell me - she vaguely confirmed that she was beginning to notice a pattern and is watching closely and in contact with health dept. I pointed out that 3 of these 4 families, ours included, have siblings in second grade so it's a bit of potential double exposure. She hadn't realized that yet. Called ped this morning and gave this info and requested test. DH took her so I can keep working. Now we wait 2-3 days keeping both kids at home and hunkering down even more than we have been. Many hugs, azucena, hang in there!
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