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Post by giramomma on Nov 3, 2020 13:50:27 GMT -5
So the first catholic school on our side of town closed for two weeks due to cases.
There's been cases in our "school community." Have no idea what that actually means. I don't think school will close down until metrics in our city get worse. Right now, there's 51/100K cases (red), a 6% positivity rate (yellow), and staffing is at yellow levels. I think the positivity rate has to get to 8% before they would consider closing. It will be interesting to see what the number of cases per 100K will get to when we have a 8% positivity rate.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 3, 2020 16:13:04 GMT -5
Would you believe positivity in my county has been over 20% for about a week and no change to schools and no countywide mask mandate.
At last night's county board of supervisors meeting, the supervisors got reamed out by the county board of health, spokespeople from both hospitals, a doctor from the local physician's association and individual employees from both hospitals.
They took the information under consideration. One supervisor has not said recently how he would vote--most likely because he is up for reelection. In the spring he was pushing for a mask mandate for the county. If he wins, the topic will be brought up again and he can do whatever he wants. If he loses, he is there until January. If he wins, he has 4 more years.
The small towns in the county are very much against a mask mandate. However, numbers are released every week by zip code and every zip code is at or over 20%.
Time will tell if they will attempt something to mitigate the spread.
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Post by irishpad on Nov 3, 2020 16:14:13 GMT -5
Our protocols seem to have been working. No infection cases stemming from our school or church thus far. The church has been doing daily and weekend services since the end of May. School started right before Labor Day. Have had 5 students (out of 230) that have been infected all due to contact outside of the school. No school or church employees infected but about 6 that have or are on two week quarantines due to close contact. I was so happy when the state mandated masks as that made it much easier to mandate them at the parish and school.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 8:42:35 GMT -5
Our protocols seem to have been working. No infection cases stemming from our school or church thus far. The church has been doing daily and weekend services since the end of May. School started right before Labor Day. Have had 5 students (out of 230) that have been infected all due to contact outside of the school. No school or church employees infected but about 6 that have or are on two week quarantines due to close contact. I was so happy when the state mandated masks as that made it much easier to mandate them at the parish and school. Just take care of yourself, irishpad. This week I learned that the priest at the church I attended in Ohio as a child is in the hospital with COVID. I met him when I went back for a reunion- really good guy who has worked hard for the church and the school after the parish was torn apart by a scandal and he's built a thriving community. The first COVID-19 case I knew personally was an Episcopal priest who thinks she and another church leader got it from a guy who came into the office asking for help. My church has also been open since May 31 with all precautions. (No coffee hour! ) We did have a family develop COVID but they're pretty sure it was on the road trip the couple took to bring her in-laws back to this area to move into a retirement home. All four (husband, wife and her parents) have recovered and no other church members were affected.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Nov 4, 2020 11:30:18 GMT -5
Yeah that’s hard to say. On one hand, our numbers have quadrupled since September, and the only thing that’s changed is the fact that the kids are in school. We’ve been open since Late June , and our numbers were trending down between the middle of July and September. On the other hand, school kids represent disproportionately small share of the cases. And there’s a lot of contact tracing testing still being done around here. So you’d think that asymptomatic kids who infected their parents would get picked up. So it could be asymptomatic school kids spreading disease, or there could be something else going on. School opened up right after Labor Day, which also coinsided with gyms, theaters, and a few other venues opening up--the last vestiges of the shutdown. Prior to that, cases in my county were increasing by 0-10/day. After that, cases increased by 0-20/day. A half week after Trump brought his superspreader rally to my county airport, cases have risen by, well let me start just prior to the rally, just to demonstrate a little of the trend prior to the rally boost: 16th 18 cases 17th day of rally 15 cases 19th (Sun + Mon) 22 cases for the 2 days combined 20th. 16 cases 21st. 26 cases 22nd 48 cases. Hello, I've never seen such a high number. I've tracked since the beginning. 23rd 38 cases this is still significantly higher than I had seen until the 48 24th 85 cases 26th 69 cases (for the 2 days) 27th 53 cases 28th 79 cases 29th 116 cases. (what?!) 30th 101 cases Prior to this last week, I thought we might be able to swing trick or treat for the kids in some kind of safe manner. I'm no longer even going to chance it. That ticks me off, because it didn't have to be this way. In my area, the only thing that changed in September was the kids going back to school. Restaurants in Gyms had already been open with restrictions for months. We did have some protest over the summer, but those were winding down long before school started. Personally I am all for the idea of keeping restaurants and bars closed so that the schools can stay open. Schools are much more important than bars. But the date in my area doesn’t really support the hypothesis. We had several months of open gyms and restaurants without the case counts getting out of control, then the schools open and the case counts quadrupled. The only caveat I would add is that we don’t have much of a bar scene in this town.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 4, 2020 13:27:30 GMT -5
School opened up right after Labor Day, which also coinsided with gyms, theaters, and a few other venues opening up--the last vestiges of the shutdown. Prior to that, cases in my county were increasing by 0-10/day. After that, cases increased by 0-20/day. A half week after Trump brought his superspreader rally to my county airport, cases have risen by, well let me start just prior to the rally, just to demonstrate a little of the trend prior to the rally boost: 16th 18 cases 17th day of rally 15 cases 19th (Sun + Mon) 22 cases for the 2 days combined 20th. 16 cases 21st. 26 cases 22nd 48 cases. Hello, I've never seen such a high number. I've tracked since the beginning. 23rd 38 cases this is still significantly higher than I had seen until the 48 24th 85 cases 26th 69 cases (for the 2 days) 27th 53 cases 28th 79 cases 29th 116 cases. (what?!) 30th 101 cases Prior to this last week, I thought we might be able to swing trick or treat for the kids in some kind of safe manner. I'm no longer even going to chance it. That ticks me off, because it didn't have to be this way. In my area, the only thing that changed in September was the kids going back to school. Restaurants in Gyms had already been open with restrictions for months. We did have some protest over the summer, but those were winding down long before school started. Personally I am all for the idea of keeping restaurants and bars closed so that the schools can stay open. Schools are much more important than bars. But the date in my area doesn’t really support the hypothesis. We had several months of open gyms and restaurants without the case counts getting out of control, then the schools open and the case counts quadrupled. The only caveat I would add is that we don’t have much of a bar scene in this town. Well, I don't have the data from all the districts, but mine is among the largest in the county, and the cases so far have been low in numbers and contained. So far, it seems like the precautions they are maintaining are keeping it from spreading within the school.
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Post by irishpad on Nov 4, 2020 15:43:21 GMT -5
Our protocols seem to have been working. No infection cases stemming from our school or church thus far. The church has been doing daily and weekend services since the end of May. School started right before Labor Day. Have had 5 students (out of 230) that have been infected all due to contact outside of the school. No school or church employees infected but about 6 that have or are on two week quarantines due to close contact. I was so happy when the state mandated masks as that made it much easier to mandate them at the parish and school. Just take care of yourself, irishpad. This week I learned that the priest at the church I attended in Ohio as a child is in the hospital with COVID. I met him when I went back for a reunion- really good guy who has worked hard for the church and the school after the parish was torn apart by a scandal and he's built a thriving community. The first COVID-19 case I knew personally was an Episcopal priest who thinks she and another church leader got it from a guy who came into the office asking for help. My church has also been open since May 31 with all precautions. (No coffee hour! ) We did have a family develop COVID but they're pretty sure it was on the road trip the couple took to bring her in-laws back to this area to move into a retirement home. All four (husband, wife and her parents) have recovered and no other church members were affected. Thanks, I have been trying my best. Proper social distancing at all Masses. With funerals we lay down the law in keeping distance throughout funeral, lunch, burial. For weddings, I limit my time at rehearsal dinners, reception dinners. Most of the receptions are in North Dakota (right across the river from us) and they have lax rules so I don't trust their protocols. For a parish of 4000 people, it has been great that we haven't had cases stemming from our services (granted, only having about 40% of people coming to Sunday worship)
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Post by formerroomate99 on Nov 4, 2020 17:33:14 GMT -5
In my area, the only thing that changed in September was the kids going back to school. Restaurants in Gyms had already been open with restrictions for months. We did have some protest over the summer, but those were winding down long before school started. Personally I am all for the idea of keeping restaurants and bars closed so that the schools can stay open. Schools are much more important than bars. But the date in my area doesn’t really support the hypothesis. We had several months of open gyms and restaurants without the case counts getting out of control, then the schools open and the case counts quadrupled. The only caveat I would add is that we don’t have much of a bar scene in this town. Well, I don't have the data from all the districts, but mine is among the largest in the county, and the cases so far have been low in numbers and contained. So far, it seems like the precautions they are maintaining are keeping it from spreading within the school. We’re kind of in the same position. Cases skyrocketed once school started, but almost none of the cases are school-age kids. And it’s so easy to get tested here, if asymptomatic kids were infecting their families, I would think most of the the kids would be getting tested too. I’m not sure what to make of it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 4, 2020 17:41:36 GMT -5
It is due to community spread. The virus is well entrenched, and the more people let the guard down, the more social interaction there is, and the better the conditions for spread become, the more cases we will see. Just simple epidemiology. The virus is so well entrenched now, that figuring all this out becomes very difficult without extensive modeling, testing, and tracing
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 4, 2020 18:33:20 GMT -5
I think most of it is an all or nothing response. Once people decided they couldnt handle "all" for a long period of time they threw up their hands and went to "nothing".
I dont feel like we are overly cautious and we have more exposure than many but I definitely feel like we are the people most likely to say no at this point unless you include my parents who are truly quarantining/isolating until their is a vaccine.
It isn't as simple as just demanding everyone stay home but there are so many gaps in cdc guidelines its exhausting trying to decide how to navigate everything.
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Post by azucena on Nov 5, 2020 11:17:06 GMT -5
DD12's test was negative. Back to school tomorrow. It did make us think even harder about how many people we'd seen in the last week even though we've been trying to be very minimal still.
And if I'm honest, I have mixed feelings. Woulda been kinda nice to have a mild version and just get it over with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 12:43:03 GMT -5
DD12's test was negative. Back to school tomorrow. It did make us think even harder about how many people we'd seen in the last week even though we've been trying to be very minimal still. And if I'm honest, I have mixed feelings. Woulda been kinda nice to have a mild version and just get it over with.Except, science tells us you can get reinfected in 3 months or have life-long medical problems.
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Post by azucena on Nov 5, 2020 13:31:08 GMT -5
DD12's test was negative. Back to school tomorrow. It did make us think even harder about how many people we'd seen in the last week even though we've been trying to be very minimal still. And if I'm honest, I have mixed feelings. Woulda been kinda nice to have a mild version and just get it over with.Except, science tells us you can get reinfected in 3 months or have life-long medical problems. Oh, I know and trust the science. I was just expressing my decision fatigue. I should have been more clear, so I didn't unintentionally mislead anyone. Remember I count dead people for a living. ...again slightly tongue-in-cheek but I'm a life insurance actuary so pretty darn close.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 16:59:48 GMT -5
It's concerning that even with Biden elected and actively looking at containing the outbreaks better, there's clearly still going to be a way-too-big portion of our population that will flat-out refuse to do their part.
If Trump were to retain control, then all bets are off and everyone better pray they can make a vaccine and that people agree to take it.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 5, 2020 17:03:44 GMT -5
It's concerning that even with Biden elected and actively looking at containing the outbreaks better, there's clearly still going to be a way-too-big portion of our population that will flat-out refuse to do their part. If Trump were to retain control, then all bets are off and everyone better pray they can make a vaccine and that people agree to take it. Let's be honest here - no matter the politics, this would still be a bad deal. Most European countries are having a surge. Yes, ours is worse, and we are still handling it badly, but it isn't like we were going to skate around this, scot-free.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 17:23:18 GMT -5
It's concerning that even with Biden elected and actively looking at containing the outbreaks better, there's clearly still going to be a way-too-big portion of our population that will flat-out refuse to do their part. If Trump were to retain control, then all bets are off and everyone better pray they can make a vaccine and that people agree to take it. Let's be honest here - no matter the politics, this would still be a bad deal. Most European countries are having a surge. Yes, ours is worse, and we are still handling it badly, but it isn't like we were going to skate around this, scot-free. Totally agree. COVID19 is a formidable foe for the planet. I read yesterday that some country or another is killing all their minks in farms because COVID jumps between minks and humans. They said it does the same in ferrets. If it can spread through other animals, it seems like containing things could be even more challenging. I listed my house for sale exactly a year ago. Who the heck ever thought a pandemic was in our future back then... dang...
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 5, 2020 18:01:56 GMT -5
It's concerning that even with Biden elected and actively looking at containing the outbreaks better, there's clearly still going to be a way-too-big portion of our population that will flat-out refuse to do their part. If Trump were to retain control, then all bets are off and everyone better pray they can make a vaccine and that people agree to take it. Let's be honest here - no matter the politics, this would still be a bad deal. Most European countries are having a surge. Yes, ours is worse, and we are still handling it badly, but it isn't like we were going to skate around this, scot-free. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if we made any real effort at leadership, and we didn’t have a toddler in the White House with the attention span to match. This would have been a challenge for a competent leader. Too bad we didn’t have one. The world thought we were best positioned to be able to deal with an outbreak. Boy, we’re they wrong. And every time a republican compares our response to other countries, saying the were just as bad as we were, I keep thinking the slogan, “Keep America mediocre” doesn’t have the same appeal
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 5, 2020 18:56:36 GMT -5
It hasn't helped that Republican governors mostly followed his leads and Republican legislatures sued Democratic governors to get orders rescinded.
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Post by giramomma on Nov 5, 2020 19:15:04 GMT -5
Two more cases at the girls school. One was in school, but not while they were symptomatic. Other one symptomatic. From Monday-Wednesday this week, there were 6-10 staff absences because the staff was sick, exposed, or taking care of sick children. My best guess, there are about 20-25 staff members for K4-5th grade those three days.
And yet, parents are asking for basketball practices to go on as normal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 19:17:50 GMT -5
Two more cases at the girls school. One was in school, but not while they were symptomatic. Other one symptomatic. From Monday-Wednesday this week, there were 6-10 staff absences because the staff was sick, exposed, or taking care of sick children. My best guess, there are about 20-25 staff members for K4-5th grade those three days.
And yet, parents are asking for basketball practices to go on as normal.
The reason public health needs to decide these things not schools or parents. Ug.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 5, 2020 19:25:29 GMT -5
It hasn't helped that Republican governors mostly followed his leads and Republican legislatures sued Democratic governors to get orders rescinded. If we had any kind of leadership at the national level the likelyhood that this would have happened would have been much less. Another reason why our response was poor
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 6, 2020 8:14:48 GMT -5
High school football playoffs are happening in Iowa. One team can't play in the quarter finals because players have covid.
Volleyball ended last night. The favored team in one class had one player absent because of covid. Her team got destroyed. She was by far the best player on the team.
Basketball will soon be starting.
The sport that worries me the most is wrestling. Yep, Iowa is going ahead with wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 12:28:11 GMT -5
High school football playoffs are happening in Iowa. One team can't play in the quarter finals because players have covid. Volleyball ended last night. The favored team in one class had one player absent because of covid. Her team got destroyed. She was by far the best player on the team. Basketball will soon be starting. The sport that worries me the most is wrestling. Yep, Iowa is going ahead with wrestling. Hope none of those teens plan to go on to play pro sports since it's very likely they will have heart/lung damage. Even asymptomatic kids/adults can have pretty serious and permanent damage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 13:17:16 GMT -5
Y'all do realize that 20-30 years from now the candidates for public office will have been homeschooled by day drinkers, right?
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 6, 2020 13:29:23 GMT -5
A small school district is closed for at least today due to the number of cases of covid in both the school and community.
A local mayor says he attributes the spike in his city to a bowling tournament that was held 2 weeks ago and no social distancing of any kind took place.
The University of Colorado is going all remote on November 16 for the rest of the semester due to the spike of covid in Boulder. They were going remote just before Thanksgiving. They are recommending that everyone who is leaving town not leave until they have a negative covid test.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 13:38:41 GMT -5
Have to wonder how many of yesterday's 122,000+ new cases stemmed from trump's rallies. Our numbers are way up in GA, too, and I'm afraid to see what today's count will be.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 6, 2020 17:45:23 GMT -5
People, not the state, have been tracking cases in the counties near rallies in Iowa. There has been a definite increase in cases in the Polk Co area where Trump himself had a rally and an increase in Linn Co, where Jr did a rally.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Nov 9, 2020 15:14:16 GMT -5
Two more cases at the girls school. One was in school, but not while they were symptomatic. Other one symptomatic. From Monday-Wednesday this week, there were 6-10 staff absences because the staff was sick, exposed, or taking care of sick children. My best guess, there are about 20-25 staff members for K4-5th grade those three days.
And yet, parents are asking for basketball practices to go on as normal.
The reason public health needs to decide these things not schools or parents. Ug. For the life of me I will never understand sports people.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 9, 2020 17:32:59 GMT -5
The reason public health needs to decide these things not schools or parents. Ug. For the life of me I will never understand sports people. I will defend youth sports here for a minute. I get that we probably shouldn't have them. And I get the risks and dangers, but, my son has shown a very clear pattern over his years. When he is involved in practices for sports, he can focus at school and is happier. When there is even a break in practices, he gets super weird - including what I would describe as clinical depression, but also angry and a complete failure at school. Sure, I am supposed to take him to the park and run him until he gets his exercise - but it doesn't work that way. First off, I can't physically keep up, and second, running doesn't work for him (we tried that at the beginning of quarantine.) He needs that competition piece that comes with a team sport. I know you can come up with 25 things I should have done, but nothing I tried worked, especially with the pressure I was under from work. Quarantine has been a real struggle, and my son going back to sports has been a huge bright spot that changed his world dramatically. The only place we really go is his outside practices (and only he stayed there) and the grocery store. We all accept the risks we need to accept to stay sane and mentally healthy.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 9, 2020 17:45:47 GMT -5
While I sympathize with everyone who is suffering from the pandemic and the restrictions imposed, the issue is that everyone has things they need to do to remain sane. This is part of the reason we are in the state we are in. So, person A does x, person B does Y, person C does Z. And we all think they are equally important. To keep spread of the virus manageable, and try to limit deaths, we need to draw a line somewhere. Some people will be more affected than others. If we could have had competent leadership and decided what is really important, we could be in a better spot. But bars, sports, and other less essential activities have to be the ones sacrificed so we can have other, more important things.
I am personally tired of all this, and have sacrificed things I wish to do. But there really is no other option. And if we continue down this path, by news years we may be in an untenable situation
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