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Post by anciana on Oct 20, 2020 16:26:24 GMT -5
Our schools were hybrid for a just a few weeks and we're looking and going back to remote sooner than later.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Oct 21, 2020 10:25:38 GMT -5
Special ed kids are more expensive to educate than main stream kids. If a particular school has a higher number of special ed kids, it’s going to make it a lot harder for them to pay their bills and still provide the proper services. That’s not fair. If the school is trying to educate more special needs kids then it should get more money. The funding structure shouldn’t just be X dollars per kid. It should take into account what kind of kid. In other words, the school that is educates my autistic child should get more money for him than the schools my other two children are attending. If it is a Public school, where is the money coming from. Private schools can raise tuition We’re having parallel arguments here. Someone on this thread made the point that private schools are evil because they are not able to handle special ed kids. I made the point that most of them simply don’t have the budget for this sort of thing. Let’s not pretend that most private schools can just raise the tuition infinitely. A big argument against charter schools, or giving a tiny amount of help to private schools is that you were siphoning off the kids that are easy to educate, and leaving the public schools with a higher percentage of children that are very expensive to educate. That’s a fair argument. But just because school funding has been based purely on headcount in the past doesn’t mean it has to be done that way until the end of time. These things can be changed.
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 22, 2020 0:31:53 GMT -5
If it is a Public school, where is the money coming from. Private schools can raise tuition We’re having parallel arguments here. Someone on this thread made the point that private schools are evil because they are not able to handle special ed kids. I made the point that most of them simply don’t have the budget for this sort of thing. Let’s not pretend that most private schools can just raise the tuition infinitely. A big argument against charter schools, or giving a tiny amount of help to private schools is that you were siphoning off the kids that are easy to educate, and leaving the public schools with a higher percentage of children that are very expensive to educate. That’s a fair argument. B ut just because school funding has been based purely on headcount in the past doesn’t mean it has to be done that way until the end of time. These things can be changed.Actually it already did. It used to be that special ed kids were not mainstreamed. I am not arguing that they should not be, but when people fought to get the children educated with all others they changed the funding by not fighting just as hard for increased funding for kids that have special needs. Unfortunately this drive to lower taxes at all cost has resulted in stingier funding for schools so in times like these, when tax revenues are even lower there is very little chance that additional money will be made available. we will need to raise taxes to fix this says the woman who as a single person (with not a single family member in the US school system) is paying quite a lot in taxes already. Or, and I like this better, we need to re-evaluate what we do with the taxes raised. for instance do we really need a military complex that outspends what the next seven countries spend combined? We may need to examine our priorities and act accordingly. Do we want to have the schools and the infrastructure from those good old days? Look up the tax rates at the time.
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Post by giramomma on Oct 25, 2020 14:59:17 GMT -5
Well, the principal sent out a message saying that the whole school will be going virtual the week after thankgiving break and the week after Christmas break. I imagine 80% of the parents sending their kids to hybrid (2 days per week face to face) are pretty pissed off right about now. The principal also asked parents to reconsider sleepovers, playdates, and unmasked extra curricular for their kids, so that our school community might experience less positive cases.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 25, 2020 15:22:12 GMT -5
Just found out that the middle school near us is closing due to outbreaks.
We talked about it - my son says that in person school (2 days per week) is helping him feel more engaged and is a mood lift. So, we will leave him in school for now. I am willing to pull him back to virtual only, but we will have to agree.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 27, 2020 18:06:22 GMT -5
My kids' school has its first confirmed case as of today. There were 7 in quarantine yesterday, and six today. All students--no staff. Last week, I think there was just a couple in quarantine. Quarantine could be for any of a number of reasons. School started Sept 8th. Trump's coronaFest was held a couple miles away about 10 days ago.
We'll see how this proceeds. I was hoping to figure out a safe, social distancing way to do trick or treating, but not if the current trend in this area continues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 18:29:12 GMT -5
We have a 2nd grade class here that's been quarantined.
School is still open, but due to the outbreak and community spread, public health warned people yesterday they may close the schools.
They should have never opened them in the first place...
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Post by giramomma on Oct 27, 2020 18:30:38 GMT -5
We'll see how this proceeds. I was hoping to figure out a safe, social distancing way to do trick or treating, but not if the current trend in this area continues. My county is at 49/100K infections, with a 19% positivity rate. I told the kids I would buy them a bag of their favorite candy and call it a day. They didn't give me any problems.
The number of kids 0-9 coming down with covid in my city has more than doubled in the past 6 weeks..it's almost increased 1.5x (and that reporting is a day behind). I know a 2% hospitalization rate for kids 0-9 isn't completely awful..but, it's just a statistic I don't want to be a part of. And ending up at the field hospital in my state, though close to us, doesn't interest me right now.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Oct 27, 2020 18:39:22 GMT -5
In my area, 90% of the cases among school-age kids are the high school kids. So it seems to me like the measures they’re taking in school working, but it’s what’s going on outside of school that is spreading disease. Teenagers will be teenagers. And don’t even get me started on the stupid parents having their kids play close contact sports.
So far, none of my children’s schools have had any Covid cases. The kids all came down with the fall sniffle, so I had to keep him home for a while until the Covid tests came back negative.
Since we’re halfway through the year, we have the option of switching between online and in person school. I don’t see there being that many takers.
We are at least a month into one hell of a surge in cases, but still very few deaths. I’m not sure how long the hospitals are going to be able to hold out. The deaths are going to go up dramatically once they start having to prioritize ICU beds. They’re already talking about that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 19:26:41 GMT -5
The local elementary school just closed. Not sure if that includes the high school or not.
They said they have 60 students on quarantine, staff on quarantine, and positive cases among both groups.
They said they'd hoped to keep the virus out of the school but with community spread it isn't possible.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 27, 2020 19:49:11 GMT -5
The local elementary school just closed. Not sure if that includes the high school or not. They said they have 60 students on quarantine, staff on quarantine, and positive cases among both groups. They said they'd hoped to keep the virus out of the school but with community spread it isn't possible. Your area is considered remote according to our state's COVID protocols, so they might have been open. However, statewide, fourth through twelfth grade is not open in our state except for what's termed "limited in-person instruction".
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Post by oped on Oct 27, 2020 21:10:17 GMT -5
I’d like to tell daughter just to come home next week for voting and stay. The school is doing ok for now, but that County is rising. She has switched back to all delivery or pick up she told me. If the school stays in yellow though she has some classes she is expected to go to. Her French class has been canceled two days this week because the rof is sick... I assume he’s been tested, but...
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Post by giramomma on Oct 27, 2020 21:26:27 GMT -5
In my area, 90% of the cases among school-age kids are the high school kids. So it seems to me like the measures they’re taking in school working, but it’s what’s going on outside of school that is spreading disease. Teenagers will be teenagers. And don’t even get me started on the stupid parents having their kids play close contact sports. I only quoted 0-9 because that's the only group I can be assured of that is going to k-12 schooling. The next age bracket is 10-19. Which, who knows how many of those numbers are minors. In addition, parents at the girls' 4k-8 school only really look at the 0-9 age group as a data point for opening up the school. They pushed for school to open, because for the first 7-8ish months, kids 0-9 had 213 total cases.
In the past 6 weeks, that number has grown to almost 500 kids. Ooops. Turns out the kids can really be at risk for getting the covids. But, I guess since only 2% are hospitalized, we shouldn't care. After all, the kids aren't actually dying. So, I guess parents really can rationalize it by saying "what risk?"
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 27, 2020 21:35:54 GMT -5
In my area, 90% of the cases among school-age kids are the high school kids. So it seems to me like the measures they’re taking in school working, but it’s what’s going on outside of school that is spreading disease. Teenagers will be teenagers. And don’t even get me started on the stupid parents having their kids play close contact sports. I only quoted 0-9 because that's the only group I can be assured of that is going to k-12 schooling. The next age bracket is 10-19. Which, who knows how many of those numbers are minors. In addition, parents at the girls' 4k-8 school only really look at the 0-9 age group as a data point for opening up the school. They pushed for school to open, because for the first 7-8ish months, kids 0-9 had 213 total cases.
In the past 6 weeks, that number has grown to almost 500 kids. Ooops. Turns out the kids can really be at risk for getting the covids. But, I guess since only 2% are hospitalized, we shouldn't care. After all, the kids aren't actually dying. So, I guess parents really can rationalize it by saying "what risk?"
Only problem is that those kids are parented by adults who ARE susceptible. Who do they think takes care of kids? The Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 27, 2020 21:50:22 GMT -5
We'll see how this proceeds. I was hoping to figure out a safe, social distancing way to do trick or treating, but not if the current trend in this area continues. My county is at 49/100K infections, with a 19% positivity rate. I told the kids I would buy them a bag of their favorite candy and call it a day. They didn't give me any problems.
The number of kids 0-9 coming down with covid in my city has more than doubled in the past 6 weeks..it's almost increased 1.5x (and that reporting is a day behind). I know a 2% hospitalization rate for kids 0-9 isn't completely awful..but, it's just a statistic I don't want to be a part of. And ending up at the field hospital in my state, though close to us, doesn't interest me right now.
Ouch. I wouldn't be going anywhere in Wisconsin right now. I think we're still below 10% positivity in my county, but it was around 2-3% just a couple weeks ago.
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Post by giramomma on Oct 27, 2020 21:50:25 GMT -5
I only quoted 0-9 because that's the only group I can be assured of that is going to k-12 schooling. The next age bracket is 10-19. Which, who knows how many of those numbers are minors. In addition, parents at the girls' 4k-8 school only really look at the 0-9 age group as a data point for opening up the school. They pushed for school to open, because for the first 7-8ish months, kids 0-9 had 213 total cases.
In the past 6 weeks, that number has grown to almost 500 kids. Ooops. Turns out the kids can really be at risk for getting the covids. But, I guess since only 2% are hospitalized, we shouldn't care. After all, the kids aren't actually dying. So, I guess parents really can rationalize it by saying "what risk?"
Only problem is that those kids are parented by adults who ARE susceptible. Who do they think takes care of kids? The Flying Spaghetti Monster? College girls take care of the kids. Hospitalization rates for the college kids are probably even less. There were 60 hospitalizations for folks 10-39. No deaths. College kids aren't dying either. Parents at the girls' school really look at enrolling their kids in private school (and any other related care...like before or after school care) as outsourcing the kids education, much in the same way the families outsource the house cleaning and lawn care. How many people care so deeply about their house cleaners so that they prioritize their house cleaners health over making more money? Or the lawn boy?
I mean, the parents don't even care that the school is basically hiring warm bodies to keep the school open. One of the second grade teachers that was hired this year has no education background.This is the first time in the decade we've been at the school that we've seen that happen. Parents are so desperate to get their kids out of their hair, they don't care. And again, part of it is the attitude towards outsourcing. If the housecleaner was hired, you assume someone else has vetted their competence as a cleaner. You don't think twice about doing background checks, making sure the cleaner is properly bonded and assure. You just want to fork over you money and come home to a clean house. Parents just want to send their kids to school, make sure the homework gets done before parents come home from work, and then parents will feed and drive the kids to travel sports. That's what most of the parents at our school want.
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Post by teen persuasion on Oct 27, 2020 23:13:36 GMT -5
Just saw in the newspaper that DS5's university has decided that students must get tested before going home at Thanksgiving (to prevent transmission to other communities/family members). Good plan. Pretty sure there's no in person classes after Thanksgiving at all (not that there's much now - DS5 is fully remote).
A different article was talking about the rise in homeschooling numbers locally. Mentioned in there were a few interesting tidbits I didn't know about NYS rules. If you switch to homeschooling, and then switch back, you have to completely retake any courses you did homeschool. You also can't do homeschool and get a Regents diploma. That's just mind boggling, not getting a Regents diploma - they've made it almost impossible to get a so-called local diploma, they want everyone to be getting at least the basic Regents if not Advanced Regents. A lack-of-a-Regents-diploma/local-diploma-instead is understood to mean you can't perform academically.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 27, 2020 23:18:37 GMT -5
My kids' school has its first confirmed case as of today. There were 7 in quarantine yesterday, and six today. All students--no staff. Last week, I think there was just a couple in quarantine. Quarantine could be for any of a number of reasons. School started Sept 8th. Trump's coronaFest was held a couple miles away about 10 days ago. We'll see how this proceeds. I was hoping to figure out a safe, social distancing way to do trick or treating, but not if the current trend in this area continues. Assuming I get my act together we're going to reverse trick or treat. Get costumes on and deliver goody bags to friends and family - drop off on porches and visit from driveways during the day. Then buy ungodly amounts of candy for ourselves and watch movies. I managed to get cookie dough made, but not rolled out or cut. Havent tried popcorn balls yet, but hopefully can figure them out and make it happen.
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Post by anciana on Oct 28, 2020 10:45:20 GMT -5
My kids' school has its first confirmed case as of today. There were 7 in quarantine yesterday, and six today. All students--no staff. Last week, I think there was just a couple in quarantine. Quarantine could be for any of a number of reasons. School started Sept 8th. Trump's coronaFest was held a couple miles away about 10 days ago. We'll see how this proceeds. I was hoping to figure out a safe, social distancing way to do trick or treating, but not if the current trend in this area continues. Assuming I get my act together we're going to reverse trick or treat. Get costumes on and deliver goody bags to friends and family - drop off on porches and visit from driveways during the day. Then buy ungodly amounts of candy for ourselves and watch movies. I managed to get cookie dough made, but not rolled out or cut. Havent tried popcorn balls yet, but hopefully can figure them out and make it happen. Rae, our kids don't want to go house to house but still want to pass out candy and see other kids dressed up. We're working on creating a chute down our driveway so we can dress up and sit by the garage door while we slide candy 10 feet down as I keep hearing other people are still planning on the usual trick-or-treating in our neighborhood
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Post by azucena on Oct 28, 2020 12:15:43 GMT -5
We are going to set candy bags on a table in our front yard to limit interaction.
I like the idea of a reverse trick or treat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 12:35:53 GMT -5
The local elementary school just closed. Not sure if that includes the high school or not. They said they have 60 students on quarantine, staff on quarantine, and positive cases among both groups. They said they'd hoped to keep the virus out of the school but with community spread it isn't possible. Your area is considered remote according to our state's COVID protocols, so they might have been open. However, statewide, fourth through twelfth grade is not open in our state except for what's termed "limited in-person instruction". The rural communities demanded an exemption and were granted it. I'm sure COVID loves exemptions. They closed the elementary, middle, and high school in Burns for 2 weeks for "deep cleaning" and to see where the community spread is by then. I was surprised they closed, but I really don't think they have much choice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 15:34:18 GMT -5
Parents are so desperate to get their kids out of their hair, they don't care. And again, part of it is the attitude towards outsourcing. If the housecleaner was hired, you assume someone else has vetted their competence as a cleaner. You don't think twice about doing background checks, making sure the cleaner is properly bonded and assure. You just want to fork over you money and come home to a clean house. Parents just want to send their kids to school, make sure the homework gets done before parents come home from work, and then parents will feed and drive the kids to travel sports. That's what most of the parents at our school want. Well, you know, the school systems sold the parents a bill of goods. Yeah, it was so expensive to live in those school districts, between the cost of houses AND the sky-high property taxes ("It's for the children") but it was worth all that money even if it took two parents working outside the home to foot the bill. And now they've changed the game and expect at least one responsible adult to be on the premises. Can't always be done.
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Post by giramomma on Oct 28, 2020 15:56:40 GMT -5
Parents are so desperate to get their kids out of their hair, they don't care. And again, part of it is the attitude towards outsourcing. If the housecleaner was hired, you assume someone else has vetted their competence as a cleaner. You don't think twice about doing background checks, making sure the cleaner is properly bonded and assure. You just want to fork over you money and come home to a clean house. Parents just want to send their kids to school, make sure the homework gets done before parents come home from work, and then parents will feed and drive the kids to travel sports. That's what most of the parents at our school want. Well, you know, the school systems sold the parents a bill of goods. Yeah, it was so expensive to live in those school districts, between the cost of houses AND the sky-high property taxes ("It's for the children") but it was worth all that money even if it took two parents working outside the home to foot the bill. And now they've changed the game and expect at least one responsible adult to be on the premises. Can't always be done. This is at my girls' private school. So, it's not tied to expensive housing. I mean, don't get me wrong, the money flows at the girls school and there are families with two homes, including a vacation home that is nicer than the home that we reside in. But, location is not considered when going to the giris' private school.
I have no problems with the money. We elected not to be a partner in a law firm, so we need to accept that we will not have that income. I have a problem with the attitudes that come with the flow of money. This being one of them.
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Post by anciana on Oct 28, 2020 16:11:13 GMT -5
Parents are so desperate to get their kids out of their hair, they don't care. And again, part of it is the attitude towards outsourcing. If the housecleaner was hired, you assume someone else has vetted their competence as a cleaner. You don't think twice about doing background checks, making sure the cleaner is properly bonded and assure. You just want to fork over you money and come home to a clean house. Parents just want to send their kids to school, make sure the homework gets done before parents come home from work, and then parents will feed and drive the kids to travel sports. That's what most of the parents at our school want. Well, you know, the school systems sold the parents a bill of goods. Yeah, it was so expensive to live in those school districts, between the cost of houses AND the sky-high property taxes ("It's for the children") but it was worth all that money even if it took two parents working outside the home to foot the bill. And now they've changed the game and expect at least one responsible adult to be on the premises. Can't always be done. I am sure it is true for some people that they are tired of being around their own family they live with and have had to totally or partially quarantine with, their own school age kids included. I don't think it is true for all. I know that my kids were glad when schools opened up for hybrid option, even though they had to wear a mask, keep distance and have no contact. I was glad for them as I trusted that the schools would take all the precautions they promised and was hoping that this would award them the minimum of social contact they craved. It is very lonely being cut off from friends and extended family for such a long time even if it is for the best. We had to evaluate weekly the need to preserve both their physical health and emotional health. Online chats go only so far 7 months later. We are continuing to do everything we can to keep them safe and healthy, but this will be a long and hard winter. Here is an article that doesn't talk about school age children, but nursing home residents to show an extreme of what the lack of socialization can do: Her father fell victim to the pandemic. But it wasn't Covid that killed him.
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Post by gs11rmb on Oct 28, 2020 16:33:40 GMT -5
It doesn't look as if our school district will go back before January, even though all of the suburban Atlanta school districts are offering an in-person option. My district has asked parents to decide whether their students will remain virtual or return to a hybrid in-class/virtual setting. There are certainly plenty of parents screaming that if you're choosing to send your children back then clearly you don't care about other people. I do care about the pandemic. I don't want anyone to get sick. I am prioritizing the emotional health of my children.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 16:53:31 GMT -5
Socialization is all good and great, but when people are dying it needs to be secondary.
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Post by gs11rmb on Oct 28, 2020 19:23:39 GMT -5
Socialization is all good and great, but when people are dying it needs to be secondary. You have mentioned repeatedly that you are by nature an introvert. My children are not and I see the emotional toll this has had, particularly on my youngest. I've also read more than one article where the initial findings are that COVID is not spreading within schools that are taking the appropriate precautions. As long as our district mandates masks and tries for some social distancing then I am comfortable with the risk.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Oct 28, 2020 19:28:03 GMT -5
Parents are so desperate to get their kids out of their hair, they don't care. And again, part of it is the attitude towards outsourcing. If the housecleaner was hired, you assume someone else has vetted their competence as a cleaner. You don't think twice about doing background checks, making sure the cleaner is properly bonded and assure. You just want to fork over you money and come home to a clean house. Parents just want to send their kids to school, make sure the homework gets done before parents come home from work, and then parents will feed and drive the kids to travel sports. That's what most of the parents at our school want. It’s not as simple as that. You’re assuming that the parents are actually able to successfully teach their kids while keeping a roof over their heads and food on the table. Most employers aren’t going to tolerate employees that do a half assed job for a year or more because they’re trying to homeschool their children. Not every couple with school-age kids have jobs that can be done from home. And not everybody is able to teach their children whether they’re working or not.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Oct 28, 2020 19:33:43 GMT -5
My kids would be more feral if schooling was left up to DH. Just sayin'
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 28, 2020 20:04:36 GMT -5
My kids would be more feral if schooling was left up to DH. Just sayin' My kids would be more feral if schooling were up to either my DH or I. I can barely keep my own act together. I feel like I'm getting better, but not good enough to manage two elementary kids at the same time. I won't complain if they have to go virtual, though, because that means my area has truly gone to hell in a hand basket. My kids have to wear masks all day at school, and have not complained about it at all-even my younger son. They really appreciate being able to go and see their friends. My DH and I are constantly keeping an eye on the district's covid dashboard. No changes since yesterday, which is good. County cases rose by 78 yesterday, which is a lot. (My DH's test came back negative, which I pretty damn confident of all along.) School might be required to go back to all virtual if the cases in my group of counties keep this up. Or not--who knows with the state supreme Court shooting down the governor's executive orders. Seems like no one really knows what to follow now, so we focus on that dashboard and case percentage at 0.1%. 🙏
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