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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 15, 2020 21:49:05 GMT -5
Money goes to parents with children enrolled in private school. If I remember we had to get form signed by their private school. I'd still say thats government funds going to private institutions who practice discrimination. Just creative distribution. I can’t speak to other states/areas, but locally the district has to bus the kids as long as the private achool is within a certain distance from the home district. Neither the parents or the private school receive any money. The transportation company that has the bussing contract for the district has to provide the transportation
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 15, 2020 22:27:04 GMT -5
Money goes to parents with children enrolled in private school. If I remember we had to get form signed by their private school. I'd still say thats government funds going to private institutions who practice discrimination. Just creative distribution. You just throw out the term practicing discrimination with nothing to support this awful charge.
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 15, 2020 22:29:52 GMT -5
Money goes to parents with children enrolled in private school. If I remember we had to get form signed by their private school. I'd still say thats government funds going to private institutions who practice discrimination. Just creative distribution. You just throw out the term practicing discrimination with nothing to support this awful charge. Many public schools are great but some are disgraceful. And some parents feel their kids would be better off not in a public school.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 16, 2020 0:21:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 5:44:46 GMT -5
Yes, private schools are allowed to "discriminate" in many ways. The public school system is required to give everyone a free education till -what?- age 16? Private schools can require applications, have academic requirements based on standardized testing and can expel you if you have behavioral or academic problems. There's an Afro-centric charter school in my area. I'm guessing that has some specific entrance criteria.
And, while some private schools, especially in the South, originated so that white parents could send their kids to white-only schools, my son went to NY Military Academy for HS and had more black instructors and classmates than he ever would have had in our HCOL suburb. That, to me, was a huge bonus. He's at ease working on diverse teams in his job because that was part of his education.
Anyway, I couldn't save every kid for whom the public school system wasn't working but I saved one- and probably more since I cheerfully paid the sticker price knowing part of it would go towards scholarships for kids whose parents cared enough to get them the education they deserved but who didn't have the extra bucks. I continued to contribute to them for years after that. No guilt for taking care of my son. He's got an excellent job and has been in the ranks of the taxpayers for years now.
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Post by azucena on Oct 16, 2020 6:21:08 GMT -5
We got an email at 3 pm saying a teacher left early to get tested after a family member received a positive test, but he/she didn't have symptoms. Then, another email at 8 pm saying the teacher tested positive and was now having symptoms. They are trying to protect privacy, but our school is small enough to figure it out because they tell us what grades are potentially exposed. In this case, it was K, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Piecing it together it's DD's 7th grade homeroom teacher. I confirmed that with a couple of other families as DD didn't realize he left early. His only immediate family member is his wife who teaches in our ECC. It's possible it's his grown son who lives nearby. Teacher does history for 4-8 and I guess is teaching K pe this year because his granddaughter is in that class.
I checked in with a nurse friend who's also a parent at the school. Her specialty happens to be infectious diseases. We laugh that between the two of us we have a unique set of skills for this - she counts the infections, I count the deaths. It's morbid I know. Anyway, she says it's likely the spouse was exposed or had symptoms somewhere in 10/12 to 14 and likely went to get tested on 10/14 and was waiting for results 10/15 and received them which prompted him to leave. So now we have a 10 to 14 day window to wait with average onset at day 5. If we use 10/13 (midpt) as the day the spouse infection started, our most likely window is early next week.
School has checked with the health dept and is following CDC guidelines. They are being really good about masking except for eating (teachers are at a different table) and when they are outside. So, technically, no student was around him in close contact for more than 15 minutes. DD feels like that's accurate for her as well. So, school resumes today with parents choosing what to do. DH and I decided that exposure has already happened so going today doesn't make things worse. DD is more worried about the teacher because he's in his mid-50s and "so old". I don't think he has other health issues and isn't obese, so hoping it's a minor case.
We'll see if masking works. So far, our school has had 3 positive students - each isolated events with no spread.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Oct 16, 2020 7:01:24 GMT -5
The not following Individuals with Disability Education Act has always irked me. I know it irked my sister and her teacher friends. All of the kids with disabilities whose siblings are in the parochial school, go to the public school. This means all of us pay taxes for their kid, as well as contribute to the bussing of their kids. When my sister was still a para, she was assigned to one girl one on one for 2 schools years that I know of. At that time, the school, the parent's and the girl's doctor felt she had become too attached to my sister and she got a different para to be with her all day. She is an adult now and if sister runs in to her or her parents, they are very excited. In pre-pandemic days, the girl always gave her a big hug and would tell her how much she missed her. Yes, her siblings went to the parochial school.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 7:21:56 GMT -5
All of the kids with disabilities whose siblings are in the parochial school, go to the public school. This means all of us pay taxes for their kid, as well as contribute to the bussing of their kids. And the parents of parochial school students get nothing for the portion of their property taxes that go to public schools- except for whatever busing costs. "All of you" get the rest of their tax money for public schools.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 16, 2020 7:23:14 GMT -5
I'd still say thats government funds going to private institutions who practice discrimination. Just creative distribution. You just throw out the term practicing discrimination with nothing to support this awful charge. Many public schools are great but some are disgraceful. And some parents feel their kids would be better off not in a public school. It honestly didn't occur to me it needed to be proven, but Chloe provided links and a succinct explanation. I already stated one reason I dislike private schools is because they would deny admission to my son based on his diabetes. Academically and attitude/behavior wise he would be welcome, but his medical condition that has almost 0 impact on otger students makes him too different to accept. There are other examples I won't get into because my point here is that I don't want government funds going to institutions run that way. The idea of taking funds from public schools (who must serve everyone) to give financial assistance to an already privileged few is particularly hard to stomach.
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 16, 2020 9:13:55 GMT -5
We had our 2 sons in private HS, 8 years in total. So for 8 years we paid tuition for them and maybe got $4000 total for transportation. Our school system is about $12500/year cost per pupil. (Not sure if this is actual). So school system didn’t need $12,000 x 8 or $96,000 for our kids. We paid prop taxes during that time and continue. Actually for first 2 years we didn’t get anything for transport Of course now that our kids aren’t in school we still pay property taxes. In NJ since the prop taxes are so high it’s fairly common for people to buy house in ‘good’ school district that has high taxes so their kids can go to the schools. Then sell the house as soon as kids are out of school. In our town most pay about $16000 of which about 80% is for schools. So these parents think of the taxes as a relatively inexpensive cost for good school then get out when school is over. Private tuition might be $20 or $25000/year Any objections to this??!
Yes we are fortunate to be able to afford this. I worked with many single moms who worked so hard to keep their kids in parochial school cause their town schools were both dangerous and gave poor education. We also give to charity that gives out scholarships to help kids whose parents desperately want out of their public school Our state taxes also go to some inner city districts to help. It infuriates me when I see in the paper that one system has 70% of their kids failing. Kids have one chance to get an education. I feel that I’m complicit by sending money to these disgraceful schools.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 16, 2020 9:35:50 GMT -5
You just throw out the term practicing discrimination with nothing to support this awful charge. Many public schools are great but some are disgraceful. And some parents feel their kids would be better off not in a public school. It honestly didn't occur to me it needed to be proven, but Chloe provided links and a succinct explanation. I already stated one reason I dislike private schools is because they would deny admission to my son based on his diabetes. Academically and attitude/behavior wise he would be welcome, but his medical condition that has almost 0 impact on otger students makes him too different to accept. There are other examples I won't get into because my point here is that I don't want government funds going to institutions run that way. The idea of taking funds from public schools (who must serve everyone) to give financial assistance to an already privileged few is particularly hard to stomach. I’m honestly not following what you are saying. In my area, if a parent chooses to send their child to a private achool, they still pay their real estate taxes and they also pay tuition to the private school. The district does have to transport the kids to the private school but that money is not paid to the private school or the parents. The transportation company that is under contract with the district provides the busing. The school district is making out because they are still getting the property taxes but only providing transportation and not the education I have no idea why they won’t take your son. Were you looking into private school and they denied your son?
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 16, 2020 10:09:27 GMT -5
I don't want to derail this thread any more on my issues with private schools. If someone starts a new thread I'm sure I won't be able to stay away.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 10:17:37 GMT -5
I don't want to derail this thread any more on my issues with private schools. If someone starts a new thread I'm sure I won't be able to stay away. Agreed- I’ll be there, too!
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Post by teen persuasion on Oct 16, 2020 12:02:27 GMT -5
I'm not understanding the transportation issue, either.
Here, it's state law that the school district has to provide transportation (up to 15 miles).
In elementary school, we had a separate bus run for our school (not mixed with the public kids). In HS, we all rode the bus together; public kids got dropped off at their school first, then all the private kids got taken to the transfer point where we swapped busses - my brother got on a bus going to his all-boys school, I got on a different one going to my all-girls school. I'm sure there were several other destinations, too, as there were multiple privates, but many drew more from one region vs another (southtowns vs city vs northtowns). In the afternoon, it was a different process - we could get on any of the busses for our district, ride to a (different) transfer point, and swap for the bus for your neighborhood (my brother could get directly on our "home" bus, as it went to his school, but I always had to change busses). My HS in the city drew from lots of suburban towns, so each sent various numbers of busses to pick up their students. My town's residents made up large enough % of the school that anytime our district closed for snow, that automatically closed the school (in addition to the city district it was located in).
City residents had it different - they didn't have school busses, at least at the HS level. They were given a bus pass for the transit system instead.
ETA: DH's day students are transported to his agency by each of their home districts, too.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 16, 2020 12:16:24 GMT -5
I don't think my state's public schools provide any transportation to the private schools, unless it is for special ed. At least, they didn't when I attended, and I've never heard or seen anything like that as a parent. The charter schools also handle their own transportation, or don't provide any in most cases. I even got ina battle over transportation in my own school district, as we sent our kids to the elementary near our daycare lady, instead of the one near our house. In that case, they refused to drop off my kindergartner in front of her house like they would any other kindergartner. The regular bus stop was just around the corner, but across a 45 mph road on an adjoining 45 mph road.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Oct 16, 2020 14:11:58 GMT -5
There are bus stops around this small time to take kids to middle school and high school. Elementary school is within walking distance.
Both parochial students and public students ride the same bus, as required by state law.
Parochial schools are not happy that public school is on a 4 day a week in person schedule right now and parochial is on 5 day a week. That means they have to provide their own transportation on Fridays.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 16, 2020 16:20:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 19:22:36 GMT -5
Totally agreed that we ALL benefit from public education and I never complain about paying taxes to support it even though I haven't had a kid in the public school system since 1996. I don't want to go back to the days when only rich kids got an education because their parents could hire tutors.
BUT- I do care about my tax dollars being used wisely and effectively. What I see are gigantic buildings, bloated bureaucracies, kids getting up crazy early to be bussed to bigger schools further away, and very few improvements in the way things are taught. Common Core was founded on a good principle (that educational objectives should be consistent across all states) but has spawned some truly awful curricula. I see schools struggling to take up the slack when parents don't feed their kids or provide them with school supplies. We're still starting foreign languages disgracefully late and the early-start programs are 99% Spanish. NTTAWTT but there are other languages, you know.
We've had to tear apart a lot of what we have and do it differently and maybe we need to re-think the old ways. Do you really need to hire a Japanese teacher, a French teacher, a Chinese teacher so kids can learn other languages? They're all on-line. Should a 5th grader who reads at 5th grade level but is fascinated by chemistry or math or computer coding be restricted to whatever they're teaching the average 5th grader in those subjects?
The pre-COVID public school educational system was pretty inflexible. Their buildings. Their schedule. Their curriculum. Their teachers. Suddenly they're heavily dependent on parents providing the building, the coaching, the supervision. I hope it makes everyone re-think how to do public school that's better tailored to each kid, and not just the ones with IEPs.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 19, 2020 11:50:42 GMT -5
Totally agreed that we ALL benefit from public education and I never complain about paying taxes to support it even though I haven't had a kid in the public school system since 1996. I don't want to go back to the days when only rich kids got an education because their parents could hire tutors. BUT- I do care about my tax dollars being used wisely and effectively. What I see are gigantic buildings, bloated bureaucracies, kids getting up crazy early to be bussed to bigger schools further away, and very few improvements in the way things are taught. Common Core was founded on a good principle (that educational objectives should be consistent across all states) but has spawned some truly awful curricula. I see schools struggling to take up the slack when parents don't feed their kids or provide them with school supplies. We're still starting foreign languages disgracefully late and the early-start programs are 99% Spanish. NTTAWTT but there are other languages, you know. We've had to tear apart a lot of what we have and do it differently and maybe we need to re-think the old ways. Do you really need to hire a Japanese teacher, a French teacher, a Chinese teacher so kids can learn other languages? They're all on-line. Should a 5th grader who reads at 5th grade level but is fascinated by chemistry or math or computer coding be restricted to whatever they're teaching the average 5th grader in those subjects? The pre-COVID public school educational system was pretty inflexible. Their buildings. Their schedule. Their curriculum. Their teachers. Suddenly they're heavily dependent on parents providing the building, the coaching, the supervision. I hope it makes everyone re-think how to do public school that's better tailored to each kid, and not just the ones with IEPs. I wonder how everything will change, and how much will go back to previous modes. What I could also see happening is that schools will snap back to previous methods, but enterprising / creative schools will start incorporating certain things into their curriculum. Maybe everyone still goes to school, but there is a virtual learning room where they can take one class that the school doesn't have to offer. Use one teacher to proctor online classes. Or, maybe there are days they learn from home, or whatever. I don't see widespread adoption of online elementary school. Those facilities will likely continue. As kids mature, who knows what will be the right mix.
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Post by oped on Oct 19, 2020 11:59:59 GMT -5
Agree with this wholeheartedly. And yet, it seems despite public education I have ended up in a country with a bunch of ‘stupid’ people incapable of critical thinking or without a basic understanding of history and political, economic and social systems....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 16:04:16 GMT -5
Agree with this wholeheartedly. And yet, it seems despite public education I have ended up in a country with a bunch of ‘stupid’ people incapable of critical thinking or without a basic understanding of history and political, economic and social systems.... Ack.. don't get me started. People who don't know when to use to, two or too, or their vs. they're or clearly aren't readers because they spell words the way they sound.. and yes, I remember an American coworker who would have been in HS when the Berlin Wall fell ask our German colleagues, "So how did there get to be a East Germany and a West Germany?" And how many Americans speak a language other than English or the native tongues of their parents? Oh, and people who don't understand compound interest and get in massive trouble because of it. Oops. You got me started
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Post by gs11rmb on Oct 19, 2020 17:11:04 GMT -5
Agree with this wholeheartedly. And yet, it seems despite public education I have ended up in a country with a bunch of ‘stupid’ people incapable of critical thinking or without a basic understanding of history and political, economic and social systems.... Ack.. don't get me started. People who don't know when to use to, two or too, or their vs. they're or clearly aren't readers because they spell words the way they sound.. and yes, I remember an American coworker who would have been in HS when the Berlin Wall fell ask our German colleagues, "So how did there get to be a* East Germany and a West Germany?" And how many Americans speak a language other than English or the native tongues of their parents? Oh, and people who don't understand compound interest and get in massive trouble because of it. Oops. You got me started * an
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 17:34:51 GMT -5
* an Oops. I'm a terrible keyboarder. I try to proofread before I post but I do miss things.
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Post by gs11rmb on Oct 19, 2020 19:53:23 GMT -5
* an Oops. I'm a terrible keyboarder. I try to proofread before I post but I do miss things. I was just teasing! I have no doubt you know when to use an before a word.
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 20, 2020 1:57:27 GMT -5
So bringing the thread back to schooling due to the pandemic - I must admit as a European I have never understood why it is the school's responsibility to get kids to and from school but that is a different discussion
In Germany the infection rates are increasing as well, though it is not as bad as over here, and they are trying to keep schools open. Last week new guidance came down. Up until now all students were wearing masks inside the school all day, with the exception of Kindy and first grade. Those kids were allowed to remove the mask while at there distanced desks. No more, they too have to keep on their mask all day except while eating lunch at their desk. Then back on the masks go. They also advised parents to dress their kids in layers as the classrooms will be aired out for 5 minutes every 20 minutes. That is going to be interesting with winter coming up.
Still I do hope it works for the sake of DGS1 and all his peers. Not sure what will happen with pre-K but I am sure I will find out as that is what DGS2 attends.
Maybe they get lucky and things won't get out of control in Munich
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Post by formerroomate99 on Oct 20, 2020 11:04:47 GMT -5
Most private schools operate on a fraction of the budget that the public schools get. There’s simply not equipped to deal with anything other than main stream kids. This is one reason why it’s horribly unfair that the public schools are funded based on headcount and that they don’t get extra for the special ed kids. And frankly, it’s something that needs to be changed.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 20, 2020 11:49:53 GMT -5
Most private schools operate on a fraction of the budget that the public schools get. There’s simply not equipped to deal with anything other than main stream kids. This is one reason why it’s horribly unfair that the public schools are funded based on headcount and that they don’t get extra for the special ed kids. And frankly, it’s something that needs to be changed. Why, private school is a choice. If you want to send your child to one, you pay. Comparing outcomes to public schools when they can avoid the students who are potentially problematic is unfair. Conservatives all like to tell people they can pay for what they want such as insurance. How is this any different
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Post by formerroomate99 on Oct 20, 2020 15:59:44 GMT -5
Most private schools operate on a fraction of the budget that the public schools get. There’s simply not equipped to deal with anything other than main stream kids. This is one reason why it’s horribly unfair that the public schools are funded based on headcount and that they don’t get extra for the special ed kids. And frankly, it’s something that needs to be changed. Why, private school is a choice. If you want to send your child to one, you pay. Comparing outcomes to public schools when they can avoid the students who are potentially problematic is unfair. Conservatives all like to tell people they can pay for what they want such as insurance. How is this any different Special ed kids are more expensive to educate than main stream kids. If a particular school has a higher number of special ed kids, it’s going to make it a lot harder for them to pay their bills and still provide the proper services. That’s not fair. If the school is trying to educate more special needs kids then it should get more money. The funding structure shouldn’t just be X dollars per kid. It should take into account what kind of kid. In other words, the school that is educates my autistic child should get more money for him than the schools my other two children are attending.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 20, 2020 16:02:13 GMT -5
Well, one thing about schooling during a pandemic: I'm keeping the kids home at the slightest hint of illness. 2 days home for my 8 year old because he was sneezing a little bit more than normal. Now my 10 yo says he has a sore throat after having soccer practice in the rain last night with 40 degree temps (go figure).
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 20, 2020 16:15:20 GMT -5
Why, private school is a choice. If you want to send your child to one, you pay. Comparing outcomes to public schools when they can avoid the students who are potentially problematic is unfair. Conservatives all like to tell people they can pay for what they want such as insurance. How is this any different Special ed kids are more expensive to educate than main stream kids. If a particular school has a higher number of special ed kids, it’s going to make it a lot harder for them to pay their bills and still provide the proper services. That’s not fair. If the school is trying to educate more special needs kids then it should get more money. The funding structure shouldn’t just be X dollars per kid. It should take into account what kind of kid. In other words, the school that is educates my autistic child should get more money for him than the schools my other two children are attending. If it is a Public school, where is the money coming from. Private schools can raise tuition
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