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Post by stillmovingforward on Oct 14, 2020 13:27:44 GMT -5
Gs11rmb - that's me as well. Private and magnet schools are great in theory but how does one get their kids to and fro every day? Plus the social economic pressure of clothes and 'haves'. I'd sooner focus on the public school environment where they have to care for everyone. I think mainly because my DH was a 'throw away' child who was so angry that it caused no one to want help him so he would have never had a chance to get into a private or charter school. His help had to come from public school because no one else cared what happened to him. He turned himself around in his early twenties. It was hard.
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Post by Clifford on Oct 14, 2020 14:55:23 GMT -5
Gs11rmb - that's me as well. Private and magnet schools are great in theory but how does one get their kids to and fro every day? Plus the social economic pressure of clothes and 'haves'. I'd sooner focus on the public school environment where they have to care for everyone. I think mainly because my DH was a 'throw away' child who was so angry that it caused no one to want help him so he would have never had a chance to get into a private or charter school. His help had to come from public school because no one else cared what happened to him. He turned himself around in his early twenties. It was hard. We generally cannot support the private schools either. Around here, most are segregation academies. I know that’s maybe not their motivation today, although sadly many of the student bodies still seem to reflect it.
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 14, 2020 17:45:59 GMT -5
Gs11rmb - that's me as well. Private and magnet schools are great in theory but how does one get their kids to and fro every day? Plus the social economic pressure of clothes and 'haves'. I'd sooner focus on the public school environment where they have to care for everyone. I think mainly because my DH was a 'throw away' child who was so angry that it caused no one to want help him so he would have never had a chance to get into a private or charter school. His help had to come from public school because no one else cared what happened to him. He turned himself around in his early twenties. It was hard. In NJ, towns are obligated to provide transportation to private or charter schools or the dollar amount that parents can use - equivalent to costs for the public school
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Post by giramomma on Oct 14, 2020 19:04:32 GMT -5
Gs11rmb - that's me as well. Private and magnet schools are great in theory but how does one get their kids to and fro every day? Plus the social economic pressure of clothes and 'haves'. I'd sooner focus on the public school environment where they have to care for everyone. I think mainly because my DH was a 'throw away' child who was so angry that it caused no one to want help him so he would have never had a chance to get into a private or charter school. His help had to come from public school because no one else cared what happened to him. He turned himself around in his early twenties. It was hard. I still support the public schools, even though we do private. I'm not naive enough to think that the public schools have to care for everyone though. Because they don't. I think you pick what you can live with. It's easier for me to explain how Sally's parents are a dr married to a lawyer, and therefore, yes, Sally lives in a nice neighborhood and her parents can afford to put her in travel ball and buy her the newest iPhone. I can also explain that neither DH nor I are drs and lawyers, our resources are limited, and therefore, we live a lifestyle reflective of that. Up maybe the past 4 years.. in a 20 kid class, 3rd-5th graders...about 10% were doing math at grade level, and the school's goal was to get that up to 20%. How do you explain that to your child? And it's NOT because there's a 90% ELL population at the kids school. The ELL population is about 40%. I mean...I'm sorry, but I just couldn't stomach having my kids being one of 4 in a class of 20 doing math at grade level.
In order to stabilize our neighborhood school, they opened up a food pantry, a personal items pantry, and a clothing pantry. The school system was NOT putting items on the shelves. The neighborhood (including us) are the ones donating to try to help out. I do believe the school did find computers to open up a computer lab just for parents. (rather than relying on donations).
Or, how do you convince your kids that the African American HS graduation rate (in 4 years) is 68% should be interpreted as the kids being cared for by the school?
And, in our city, by law, the public school bussing system also has to accommodate the kids who go to private school.
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Post by gs11rmb on Oct 14, 2020 19:58:03 GMT -5
giramomma I do not condemn parents for choosing the best education they can for their children. We are fortunate that our zoned schools are good (although Great Schools would probably disagree) but there are quite a few in our district where I would never enroll my children. Our choices would then be to enter the School Choice lottery, move to a better school zone, or go private and I recognize that we are fortunate to have those options. I am in a Facebook group for "Integrated Schools" where parents are working very hard to both turn around failing schools and to get parents to recognize that a school with a high proportion of poor children doesn't necessarily mean that the quality of education is poor. At the same time, no one seems to be addressing what to do when a school is failing by every conceivable measure. When it comes to financial support, if I had $20,000 to give annually (which, I do not) then I could pay for a scholarship kid at one of Atlanta's private schools*. I think that giving that same $20,000 to the local school district to cover a third of the salary for a reading-recovery teacher whose sole focus is to get the assigned kids up to grade level would do much more to address educational inequities. *Unless, of course that kid is dyslexic or has some other learning disability then it'll be another ~$10K
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Post by stillmovingforward on Oct 14, 2020 20:08:09 GMT -5
That is wonderful that since areas give transportation to multicare and charter schools. I didn't know any did. Never heard of it in our area. I don't disagree with private schools at all. One needs to do what is best for one's children and family. We looked into it with one of our kids and we almost homeschooled another one. With covid, I think I would have gone the homeschool route. It's just that after everything I've seen, i'm a big supporter of public schools. Because of how they are required to step up and parent those kids who aren't being parented, for whatever reasons. And the money isn't there.
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Post by oped on Oct 14, 2020 20:10:00 GMT -5
Around here I know of several that also piggyback private school students... as in the regular buses pick up those kids too and then the privaatedrives them from the public to the private.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 14, 2020 21:08:46 GMT -5
I'm opposed to private schools, for a lot of reasons. Only one of which being they won't take ds because of his diabetes so I can't claim to be objective.
We also love our homeschool. I'd consider the health assistant there as ds 2nd mom and were always impressed at the amount of individual support the kids got despite limited resources. I expect dd to return once we feel like its safe to do so.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 14, 2020 21:47:33 GMT -5
I want to preface what I'm about to say with the comments that 1) I am not philosophically opposed to homeschools or private schools; 2) I know that everyone is trying to do their very best for their families; and 3) I believe that many members of this board are interested in and concerned about educational equity. If a state bases educational funding on previous year's enrollment then pulling children from public schools to either home school or send private for one year could, in the collective, have a devastating financial and educational impact. The statistic I saw banded about was that in Georgia for every 20 students who don't enroll, a school loses a teacher. In some districts 10% of the expected kindergarten students didn't enroll. I am very worried about next year when the education budget is slashed overall because of revenue shortfalls, funding per school is based on the number of students this year, and the 'missing' students re-enroll. Yes this budget impact is concerning But the school district and/or state education department should or could rewrite? Amend? Procedures to take into account the impact of the pandemic We call that laying-off employees.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 14, 2020 21:49:05 GMT -5
Yes this budget impact is concerning But the school district and/or state education department should or could rewrite? Amend? Procedures to take into account the impact of the pandemic But they will not... Revenue is down and all budgets will be impacted and have to take cuts. Keeping your children enrolled in public schools (if you intend to use them in the future) is something that parents can do to help. They will. It's called laying off employees or cutting wages and benefits because in public education, 85% of the funding goes toward salaries and benefits.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 14, 2020 21:50:16 GMT -5
I hope you don't think I'm trying to criticize you. I know we're all trying to do what's best. I had no interest in joining a pod because the equity issue bothers me but then I turned around and hired a reading tutor. I am now spending hundreds of dollars a month on my child all the while knowing that there are thousands of children in our district that need additional help, are not receiving any, and will fall further and further behind. I was just trying to bring attention to the funding issue in the hopes that if a parent can keep their child enrolled in a public school that they do so. Well if somebody pulls out at this point, wouldn’t the funding stay put? It depends on the state. In my state the enrollment is averaged based on a count on December 1st and May 1st.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 14, 2020 21:51:55 GMT -5
Well if somebody pulls out at this point, wouldn’t the funding stay put? That's a very good point. I'm sure the drop dates vary from state to state but I would imagine by November they'd all have 'taken' enrollment. That's not a good assumption. Each state has its own funding formula. However, I don't know why anyone would assume that one count in the fall would be the only measurement. Enrollment fluctuates throughout the school year.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 14, 2020 21:53:56 GMT -5
Gs11rmb - that's me as well. Private and magnet schools are great in theory but how does one get their kids to and fro every day? Plus the social economic pressure of clothes and 'haves'. I'd sooner focus on the public school environment where they have to care for everyone. I think mainly because my DH was a 'throw away' child who was so angry that it caused no one to want help him so he would have never had a chance to get into a private or charter school. His help had to come from public school because no one else cared what happened to him. He turned himself around in his early twenties. It was hard. In NJ, towns are obligated to provide transportation to private or charter schools or the dollar amount that parents can use - equivalent to costs for the public school That's unfortunate. I'd be really upset if that policy existed in my state. The exception would be if the state is actually funding that transportation cost to the district.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 14, 2020 21:55:51 GMT -5
The funding in my state is based 75% off the count done the first Wednesday in October, and the rest from a second count towards the end of February. They really stress the importance of that first count. This year, the funding formula is getting a boost from the legislature due to covid-19.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 14, 2020 21:56:37 GMT -5
That is wonderful that since areas give transportation to multicare and charter schools. I didn't know any did. Never heard of it in our area. I don't disagree with private schools at all. One needs to do what is best for one's children and family. We looked into it with one of our kids and we almost homeschooled another one. With covid, I think I would have gone the homeschool route. It's just that after everything I've seen, i'm a big supporter of public schools. Because of how they are required to step up and parent those kids who aren't being parented, for whatever reasons. And the money isn't there. I appreciate your sentiment, but I don't think that's wonderful. It's a burden on the school district caused by people who are essentially telling the school district to eff off. No one should eve use that as an excuse to be negative toward anyone of those children who use that service. But for a school district's transportation department to have to manage additional students who don't actually go to that district is too big of a request in my opinion.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 14, 2020 21:57:55 GMT -5
Some states are two-years behind tax revenue collection. So, for the tax revenue going down this year due to unemployment because of COVID, the effect of that reduction will not occur until the 2022 state budget.
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 15, 2020 0:00:23 GMT -5
In NJ, towns are obligated to provide transportation to private or charter schools or the dollar amount that parents can use - equivalent to costs for the public school That's unfortunate. I'd be really upset if that policy existed in my state. The exception would be if the state is actually funding that transportation cost to the district. Don’t agree, parents are paying property taxes for schools. In NJ about 80% of property taxes are for schools ( our taxes are about $16000/year). If sending kid to private school not costing the public school any money except maybe $500/year towards transportation.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 15, 2020 5:22:04 GMT -5
That's unfortunate. I'd be really upset if that policy existed in my state. The exception would be if the state is actually funding that transportation cost to the district. Don’t agree, parents are paying property taxes for schools. In NJ about 80% of property taxes are for schools ( our taxes are about $16000/year). If sending kid to private school not costing the public school any money except maybe $500/year towards transportation. It's taking government money and giving it to institutions who can and do discriminate.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Oct 15, 2020 6:50:04 GMT -5
Public schools in Iowa must also provide transportation to private school students. The local school district says the funding does not cover the additional cost in a large area wise rural school district.
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 15, 2020 9:23:31 GMT -5
Don’t agree, parents are paying property taxes for schools. In NJ about 80% of property taxes are for schools ( our taxes are about $16000/year). If sending kid to private school not costing the public school any money except maybe $500/year towards transportation. It's taking government money and giving it to institutions who can and do discriminate. No the money goes to parents not the schools
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 15, 2020 9:27:23 GMT -5
It's taking government money and giving it to institutions who can and do discriminate. No the money goes to parents not the schools How does that work? Everyone gets the money? Or only parents who show they have kids enrolled in private schools?
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 15, 2020 10:06:36 GMT -5
No the money goes to parents not the schools How does that work? Everyone gets the money? Or only parents who show they have kids enrolled in private schools? Money goes to parents with children enrolled in private school. If I remember we had to get form signed by their private school.
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Post by Clifford on Oct 15, 2020 10:18:52 GMT -5
Then again, you can count kids however/whenever the law says, and apply the funding based on that law, and your state can just refuse to actually provide the money. From a 2018 article...
“Since 1997, the state has used the Mississippi Adequate Education Program (MAEP) to determine public school funding. The Legislature, under the leadership of both Democrats and Republicans, has fully funded MAEP only twice since then, and last fall the Mississippi Supreme Court decided the state is not required to do so.”
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Post by TheOtherMe on Oct 15, 2020 10:28:08 GMT -5
Money here does not go to parents. It goes to the school district who is transporting kids.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 15, 2020 11:19:58 GMT -5
How does that work? Everyone gets the money? Or only parents who show they have kids enrolled in private schools? Money goes to parents with children enrolled in private school. If I remember we had to get form signed by their private school. I'd still say thats government funds going to private institutions who practice discrimination. Just creative distribution.
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 15, 2020 12:10:34 GMT -5
Money here does not go to parents. It goes to the school district who is transporting kids. Yes school district gets money for public school transportation But for kids that go to private schools in NJ , either the public school district transports the kids e.g. parochial school in town OR if the kid goes to private school at a distance, the school district usually gives some money to parents to compensate for the kid not getting public school transport
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Post by teen persuasion on Oct 15, 2020 12:18:32 GMT -5
DS4 had a college mid term (35% of his final grade) today remotely, specific timed test. He got the posted doc from the prof, completed the test in the hour or so allotted, and when he went to submit it (thru the university's online learning platform), there was no submission link. None. He's frantically searching and emailed the prof for directions and to document that he was done within the time parameters, but now he's waiting for a response. He's afraid the prof will open the submission window briefly, and unless he sees the email in time, he could miss it.
He says this is par for the course with this prof - very little communication. DS4 wasn't sure what the test was on, how long, format, etc.; he just had an email - don't miss the time window (ends at 12:20)! No late submissions accepted without documented reason (doctor note for illness, etc). DS4 has been concerned about an internet outage at a critical time being an issue, especially with these tight deadlines - how do you prove it?
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Post by anciana on Oct 15, 2020 12:28:54 GMT -5
DS4 had a college mid term (35% of his final grade) today remotely, specific timed test. He got the posted doc from the prof, completed the test in the hour or so allotted, and when he went to submit it (thru the university's online learning platform), there was no submission link. None. He's frantically searching and emailed the prof for directions and to document that he was done within the time parameters, but now he's waiting for a response. He's afraid the prof will open the submission window briefly, and unless he sees the email in time, he could miss it. He says this is par for the course with this prof - very little communication. DS4 wasn't sure what the test was on, how long, format, etc.; he just had an email - don't miss the time window (ends at 12:20)! No late submissions accepted without documented reason (doctor note for illness, etc). DS4 has been concerned about an internet outage at a critical time being an issue, especially with these tight deadlines - how do you prove it? That sounds so stressful! Can he open the page where the link for submission is supposed to be and take screenshots? As far as internet, bottom right on my computer screen is the date and time, as well as router/internet icon that you can click on and it tells you if you're connected to internet. I would just take screenshots, not sure there's any other way to prove anything else. Good luck to your DS4!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 15, 2020 12:52:09 GMT -5
DS4 had a college mid term (35% of his final grade) today remotely, specific timed test. He got the posted doc from the prof, completed the test in the hour or so allotted, and when he went to submit it (thru the university's online learning platform), there was no submission link. None. He's frantically searching and emailed the prof for directions and to document that he was done within the time parameters, but now he's waiting for a response. He's afraid the prof will open the submission window briefly, and unless he sees the email in time, he could miss it. He says this is par for the course with this prof - very little communication. DS4 wasn't sure what the test was on, how long, format, etc.; he just had an email - don't miss the time window (ends at 12:20)! No late submissions accepted without documented reason (doctor note for illness, etc). DS4 has been concerned about an internet outage at a critical time being an issue, especially with these tight deadlines - how do you prove it? I’d take a screen shot/make a copy of the exam and email it to the professor as back up. The time the email comes in will have a time stamp on it.
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Post by teen persuasion on Oct 15, 2020 13:11:30 GMT -5
Yep, I was suggesting screenshots and emailing the document to the professor, too. He didn't think about that as backup, but figured his email to the professor would be time stamped before the time ran out. He didn't think to attach the document to the email, because they have always used the university platform to submit in the past. He was just trying to get the professor's attention to let him know it wasn't enabled, but as time went on he wondered how long he'd have to wait...
The immediacy of online communication has skewed things for remote learning, I'm realizing. You have to watch for emails, or assignments, etc. DS4 said a different professor had a typo in the time window for submission of a project. She'd told them 11am, but typed 1am instead, so those trying to submit on the last day got closed out early. She reopened it when informed of the error, but these things happen easily. Meanwhile, you are waiting...
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