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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 12, 2020 12:15:33 GMT -5
Do you really want a laundry list of what Trump did wrong? EVERYONE knew that this was going to happen, the only unknown was when. Bush saw this happening decades ago and got the ball rolling. How about lets start with removing the US sentinel from China - you know, the person whose job it was to actually SEE if China is being up front about things? Who did that? How about gutting all the agencies whose job it is to keep an eye on world pandemics? Who did that? Knowing what was going to happen, exactly who was looking into the National Stockpile of goods? It had been partially depleted at the end of Obama's administration, but this was not deemed important. Who did that? And what was left of it, who decided to play politics and make governors of blue states suck up to him for help? Hell, this was a HUGE article not that long ago in the Atlantic, that since the larger cities were getting hit hard early, and those were likely blue, that they may as well take advantage of slowing help to them. Whose idea was that? Maybe not Trump, but his mouthpiece, Kuschner. Once the virus hit the US, who turned down the world's offer for a test? And not only that, who turned down an offer by local universities who have the capability of doing such testing? Who absconded with supplies that states managed to acquire on their own? Lemme give you a hint, FEMA. Now let's talk about hydroxychoroquine. It appeared it had anecdotal help, but scientists wanted to take things cautiously and do some studies as it could have some pretty severe side effects in badly compromised patients. Who continued to push it, AFTER studies came in suggesting that it increases the death rate. Oh, and you can thank your local VA for being a guinea pig for this. He continues to push it, despite this. Do you know how much effort was expanded on beating a dead horse? Effort that could have gone looking for other, more likely treatments (biological plausibility for this treatment was sketchy at best). Who wanted the US opened up for Easter, when cases were still increasing and NYC and surrounding cities were asshole deep in alligators? I seem to remember Trump talking about filling all those beautiful church pews for Easter Sunday. Easter Sunday this year was April 12. Who continued to push for opening? These pushes did not fall on deaf ears, so why do you suspect that many of the southern states are now asshole deep in alligators themselves right now? Should I continue? Let's talk about schools. Gotta get those schools open. Let's threaten schools that if they don't open, lets withhold money. So schools are opening, and they are seeing cases of community spread of the disease because in many cases, it is almost impossible to keep crowds to a minimum. Oh, and let's talk about Trump's assertion that children have immunity. Yeah, they don't get the disease as badly as do adults, but they act as perfect little vectors in spreading it, bringing down teachers, administrators, bus drivers and their parents. Trump is the president. The buck stops there. When you walk into the president's role, your job is to hire the best people you can in order to run this country. Trump DOES have some of the best people helping him, but ultimately HE is the one who makes the decisions. Their job is to advise him. He is not getting shitty advice, other than from Jared Kuschner, and the other flunkies that he has hired. Yeah.... it's all Trump's fault. Not the pandemic, but our response to it. A lot of posting filler, for an impossible absolute. (bolded) Politics indeed. So in other words, you prefer a president that abrogates responsibility? This did not have to be as hard as it is right now. Had the US remained shut down for another 3 weeks like Italy is, we'd be looking at an R0 of less than 1. That we can live with. But Trump's speech does not fall on deaf ears, and now it's a clusterfuck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 12:20:52 GMT -5
A lot of posting filler, for an impossible absolute. (bolded) Politics indeed. So in other words, you prefer a president that abrogates responsibility? This did not have to be as hard as it is right now. Had the US remained shut down for another 3 weeks like Italy is, we'd be looking at an R0 of less than 1. That we can live with. But Trump's speech does not fall on deaf ears, and now it's a clusterfuck. The only other words, are those you are projecting. I have said nothing of the sort.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 12, 2020 12:42:31 GMT -5
(snipped for brevity) It wasn't that hard, was it ? You think you are so clever. If my posts are that pointless to you, why don't you just block me. Or, do you think you need to educate me?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 11:42:15 GMT -5
(snipped for brevity) It wasn't that hard, was it ? You think you are so clever. If my posts are that pointless to you, why don't you just block me. Or, do you think you need to educate me? You are saying this, not me. Why would I block you ? (bolded) You are not like the few Lib-Trolls that we have here, they are quite locked into their own behavior patterns. Their oppositional confrontation style of posting seems to be all they have, it bores me. You, so far, seem to have more. I'm not clever at all, just following logical progression while removing posturing filler. I do it most of the time, not singling you out. You will educate yourself on whatever you wish, I feel no need at all. I have little to no ego, you'll get used to it if we continue to converse. Devolving any topic into pointless personal descriptive meanderings, will be totally ineffective on me. Call me names, describe my behavior with ones own perceptions, oblique second hand references ? Childs play for a person with a memory and PHD in psych.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 13, 2020 12:19:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 12:24:33 GMT -5
It's not just the physical virus that we have to contend with this upcoming school year. Quote; The end of summer often brings the back-to-school jitters, but this year, there will undoubtedly be an extra layer of concern due to COVID-19. Families have the opportunity to prepare their kids for this new “first,” starting now. Getting back school—whether online, in-person, at home, or a hybrid model—could come with different challenges for different families. There is no single clear right answer for all, and parents are working hard to assess what’s right for their child and circumstances. Whatever route parents take this year, there are some common ways to help children cope and adjust as well as possible given these challenging circumstances.
Some kids doing home or online schooling may be relieved by not having to get up as early or face some of the social pressures of the schoolyard. Others may be disappointed to miss out on seeing friends or worried about the tensions that can arise between parent and child when trying to navigate coursework together...www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/what-say-kids/202008/back-school-during-covid-19
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 12:26:33 GMT -5
Not a good thing to be first at. Most school systems do not have the ability to control the children, so that they follow virus avoidance protocol. Oppositional authority defiance is always present.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 13, 2020 12:29:08 GMT -5
1% is not a lot until it happens to you. We have a saying in medicine, if it happens to you, you do not care if 1000 people do ok. To you, it is 100%. Reason why all of these discussions are difficult. It is all a risk/benefit calculation. Wish we would at least have the guts to say that
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Post by Opti on Aug 13, 2020 12:33:03 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that, I would have thought Florida would be in the lead not AZ.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 13, 2020 15:16:47 GMT -5
1% is not a lot until it happens to you. We have a saying in medicine, if it happens to you, you do not care if 1000 people do ok. To you, it is 100%. Reason why all of these discussions are difficult. It is all a risk/benefit calculation. Wish we would at least have the guts to say that I got slapped in the face with this myself. You’re right, when you are part of the 1%, you really don’t give a shit that the risk is only 1%....especially if it is a life altering event. And I do understand risk/benefit calculations! I am still not sure how to deal with this, and even today something that risks my hips STILL gives me a sick feeling in m6 stomach.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 13, 2020 15:46:13 GMT -5
1% is not a lot until it happens to you. We have a saying in medicine, if it happens to you, you do not care if 1000 people do ok. To you, it is 100%. Reason why all of these discussions are difficult. It is all a risk/benefit calculation. Wish we would at least have the guts to say that I got slapped in the face with this myself. You’re right, when you are part of the 1%, you really don’t give a shit that the risk is only 1%....especially if it is a life altering event. And I do understand risk/benefit calculations! I am still not sure how to deal with this, and even today something that risks my hips STILL gives me a sick feeling in m6 stomach. Yes, it is one of the most difficult things to balance. From the physician point, you have to balance a bad outcome with making the correct decision. Unfortunately, "shit happens" to people just because of bad luck or whatever the reason. It is part f what I deal with regularly. Horrible for the patient that has it happen, but you can hurt more people if you become skittish. art of the inherent risk of living, but no one likes it
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 13, 2020 17:35:20 GMT -5
1% would be 3.5 million Americans.
1%, if everyone got the disease, means no one would be more than 2 degrees of separation from someone who dies. And many people would lose multiple people.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2020 20:02:06 GMT -5
1% would be 3.5 million Americans. 1%, if everyone got the disease, means no one would be more than 2 degrees of separation from someone who dies. And many people would lose multiple people. I think the death rate is 50% higher. but the number of infections at "herd immunity" is 2/3 of that. but the resulting figure is the same.
herd immunity before a vaccine would kill 2-4M Americans.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 13, 2020 21:18:17 GMT -5
1% would be 3.5 million Americans. 1%, if everyone got the disease, means no one would be more than 2 degrees of separation from someone who dies. And many people would lose multiple people. Unfortunately, the distribution would not be even across the age groups. You’d have a lot of kids growing up not knowing their grandparents. I guess older people are expendable. After all, that’ll help solve the Social Security and Medicare problem. The bigger problem would be how many people would wind up possibly permanently disabled. That would be an even bigger problem.
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