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Post by thyme4change on Apr 9, 2021 8:14:32 GMT -5
The grocery store seems to have 100% compliance on masks, even though it is next to 5 packed bars and restaurants. Until Tuesday, when a guy with no mask and a gun in his belt was in there shopping. He looked quite out of place in this blueberry neighborhood.
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Post by Opti on Apr 9, 2021 9:02:35 GMT -5
Interesting article, however I would have liked to seen NJ's and NY's variant numbers. I normalized the numbers per 100K population and Michigan is at 16.5 cases, Florida at 14.9 cases and finally California at 2.2 cases per 100K population. I have a feeling the latter in the bottom half of the country. I did like the article pointing out that people in Michigan were more likely in indoor spaces recently as opposed to those in Florida which may have helped the spread.
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Post by Opti on Apr 9, 2021 9:12:41 GMT -5
According to Worldometer the US hit 80K+ cases yesterday. The day before 75K+ cases. The Covid spreaders seem to be winning. I hope the vaccine being opened to the 16+ age demographic helps get the numbers down.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 9, 2021 10:21:45 GMT -5
Interesting article, however I would have liked to seen NJ's and NY's variant numbers. I normalized the numbers per 100K population and Michigan is at 16.5 cases, Florida at 14.9 cases and finally California at 2.2 cases per 100K population. I have a feeling the latter in the bottom half of the country. I did like the article pointing out that people in Michigan were more likely in indoor spaces recently as opposed to those in Florida which may have helped the spread. Oh yeah, I think the weather is a huge factor in michigan, and not in a completely transparent way. People go out a lot less when it's cold and snowy, but the weather only has to hit 50 for many people to emerge and start interacting a lot more, because they were cooped up inside over the winter. They're still going to be mostly indoors, because it's not that warm, but they just didn't go anywhere at all they didn't have to when there was snow on the ground. So you got that coming at the same time they opened up restaurants and a few other things more. So, you get a lot more indoor mingling when the weather gets just a little warmer.
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Post by Ryan on Apr 9, 2021 11:41:23 GMT -5
It's interesting, around here it does seem that a lot of people have gotten the vaccine but our numbers are creeping up. At one point we were at cases of less than 1000 and it looked like we were heading in the right direction, but now cases are approaching 4k/day.
8 weeks ago, nobody could get a vaccine. I thought it would be bonkers when we moved into the phase where more people were eligible, but it's been the opposite. Hard to tell if they are starting to reach the group of people that aren't super motivated to get it or if the supply of the vaccine has increased. Right now I think we're only at around 35% of people had the 1st dose.
Either way, just from the fact that a minority has gotten both (or even 1) dose, I have to believe it's being driven by the unvaccinated. Still though, would be interesting if they started tracking cases of fully vaccinated residents.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 9, 2021 12:08:26 GMT -5
For whatever reason, a rumor was spread yesterday that the mask mandate was over.
So there is a lengthy article in today's paper and no, it isn't over. Seems people thought that since anyone over 16 can be vaccinated, no mask mandate is needed.
The health department said we are nowhere near herd immunity and cases are increasing again. This is not the time to drop the mask mandate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 15:23:25 GMT -5
I think Texas gov Abbott is going to face a real political dilemma b/c he's issued an executive order banning vaccine mandates/vaccine passports, but Norwegian Cruise Lines is requiring proof of vaccination. And their cruises out of Galveston, TX are a major factor in the local economy which is largely tourism based.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 11, 2021 18:09:50 GMT -5
I heard the topic of vaccine passports on a podcast of 4 attorneys this morning.
Their discussion centered around travel and various venues.
As they all said, with foreign travel, vaccines have been required for years and years.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 11, 2021 20:22:40 GMT -5
I think Texas gov Abbott is going to face a real political dilemma b/c he's issued an executive order banning vaccine mandates/vaccine passports, but Norwegian Cruise Lines is requiring proof of vaccination. And their cruises out of Galveston, TX are a major factor in the local economy which is largely tourism based. I suspect this is going to be a lot like pot in WA. You can buy and smoke if you want, but if your employer says that it’s a fireable offense, too bad, so sad. Right after pot was legalized here, some guys at Boeing got snagged in a random test and fired. They got all bent out of shape and went on the news to complain.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 12, 2021 8:24:38 GMT -5
Same thing happened in Colorado with pot. Many employers do not allow employees to have it in their system and are fired on the spot.
One guy fought it because his was medicinal marijuana prescribed by his doctor and he had been using it for years. Company didn't start testing until pot was legal. I believe he won his case.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 12, 2021 9:41:37 GMT -5
Same deal with jobs and pot here in Michigan. Good luck getting a job with it in your system and the ubiquitous drug testing. I don't even like pot, but I hate how every place thinks it's their right to drug test everyone, regardless of the risks related to the job in question. I'm just big on privacy, and feel employers should have a damn good reason for invading their employees privacy in that manner.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 12, 2021 9:52:33 GMT -5
Ok, I don't remember if I mentioned the issue with my 8 year olds soccer team yet. It's outside, they're supposed to be masked and distanced on the sidelines. DH found most kids and parents were not at last week's practice. The coach is the same as last fall, and I'm guessing much of the team is the same/parents, who were embarrassingly assholeish about masking at one of the games early last fall (and then the people in charge got after them). DH texted the coach about lack of masks, coach right out of the gate told the parents he wasn't going to enforce masking at practices. DH sent an email to the org. to see if we can switch teams. We were not pleased to get this coach again in the first place.
Forget the new variants that are more contagious for kids-- what kind of message does it send to the kids to not follow the rules of the game if you don't like them?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 10:43:17 GMT -5
I have a friend in Colorado who lost out on a great job opportunity teaching incarcerated teens because he smoked the night before the drug test he knew he was going to have to take. It was a State position at the local juvenile jail. I think most states are pretty strict, and I suspect doubly so when minors are involved.
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Post by haapai on Apr 12, 2021 12:06:48 GMT -5
Our 7-day trend line of new cases just took a slight downward wobble. It would be glorious if we were plateauing but we are also 7 days past Easter Sunday. It could be a holiday blip. Who am I kidding? It could be a complete false dawn. We sold a lot of huge cuts of prime rib the week before Easter. There was a lot of gathering.
Yesterday's sales were extremely heavy. I thought it was the glorious weather or people not fitting into their summer shorts but have since learned that it was "all the people coming back from spring break". I heard this from the store director, who was on vacation last week himself. Ah, leadership! The store started selling KN95s last week and a surprisingly large number of customers were wearing them. I snapped up two packages myself and don't really care if they are fake or not. They're useful for making a statement when you are surrounded by maskholes. No, I don't wear one to work. I enjoy getting paychecks and wearing one to work would be unwise on top of expensive. (I am three weeks past my first shot. I might be thinking differently and/or making different choices if that were not the case.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 16:59:26 GMT -5
A statement by Texas governor Abbott "When you look at the senior population, for example, 70 -- more than 70% of our seniors have received a vaccine shot, more than 50% of those who are 50 to 65 have received a vaccine shot. I don't know what herd immunity is, but when you add that to the people who have acquired immunity, it looks like it could be very close to herd immunity." Maybe he should subtract the dead folks who "acquired immunity" from his calculations.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 12, 2021 17:11:07 GMT -5
A statement by Texas governor Abbott "When you look at the senior population, for example, 70 -- more than 70% of our seniors have received a vaccine shot, more than 50% of those who are 50 to 65 have received a vaccine shot. I don't know what herd immunity is, but when you add that to the people who have acquired immunity, it looks like it could be very close to herd immunity." Maybe he should subtract the dead folks who "acquired immunity" from his calculations. I guess math is not his strong suit. Not sure how that all adds up to >75% of the population of Texas, since I am pretty sure the average age of a Texan is under 40 years old. But since keeping people ignorant is part of the republican strategy, your state may buy it.
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Post by Opti on Apr 12, 2021 18:02:53 GMT -5
A statement by Texas governor Abbott "When you look at the senior population, for example, 70 -- more than 70% of our seniors have received a vaccine shot, more than 50% of those who are 50 to 65 have received a vaccine shot. I don't know what herd immunity is, but when you add that to the people who have acquired immunity, it looks like it could be very close to herd immunity." Maybe he should subtract the dead folks who "acquired immunity" from his calculations. I guess math is not his strong suit. Not sure how that all adds up to >75% of the population of Texas, since I am pretty sure the average age of a Texan is under 40 years old. But since keeping people ignorant is part of the republican strategy, your state may buy it. I think he's assuming lots of people under 50 have acquired immunity from the virus. Right now, NJ is assuming only the first three months after Covid give you immunity on par with being vaccinated. Have no idea what the current science says on it, but that is guiding some of the visiting rules for nursing facilities here. I did look up something on Texas demographics by age even knowing that most states are under 25% fully vaccinated out of their populations. My guess is its just his way of using Trump style hyperbole to make the masses happy. www.statista.com/statistics/912205/texas-population-share-age-group/
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 13, 2021 8:14:54 GMT -5
My county is having problems filling vaccine appointments, which explains why DNephew1 and his wife were able to drive in to town and get vaccinated the same day.
And my hair dresser, one county over, is waiting for her doctor's office to call. It's about a half hour drive to where they got vaccinated to where she is. Just take one of those appointments.
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Post by busymom on Apr 13, 2021 9:01:06 GMT -5
Well, sh*t! Now it looks like our government is pulling the Johnson & Johnson shot, due to blood clots. The same vaccine my DH got last week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 9:10:26 GMT -5
Well, sh*t! Now it looks like our government is pulling the Johnson & Johnson shot, due to blood clots. The same vaccine my DH got last week. I know- they were freaking out over the AstraZeneca vaccine in Europe for the same reason. I know that if you're the one who gets the blood clots it's serious- but as a % of the number of vaccine doses administered it's tiny. I did my usual road trip from KC to Des Moines and back and masking in the convenience stores is lax, even when a sign outside says it's required It does not bode well for my rod trip to SC in a couple of weeks. I'll bring a cooler of food with me and use Subway for dinner on my overnight- they're been good about masking, which is Corporate policy. Positivity rates in Johnson County, KS are up a bit, probably a post-Easter and -Spring Break spike. Nothing alarming and I hope the start back down again.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 13, 2021 9:20:58 GMT -5
I think the problem with J&J is its caused a very specific type of blood clot. The treatment is not the usual heparin that would be given for blood clots. Giving heparin to those patients could be very bad for them. The FDA is evaluating the reports today. It is recommending a pause at this time but has not yet pulled the emergency authorization.
And for what its worth, all the reported blood clots have been in females.
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Post by gs11rmb on Apr 13, 2021 9:40:38 GMT -5
I think the problem with J&J is its caused a very specific type of blood clot. The treatment is not the usual heparin that would be given for blood clots. Giving heparin to those patients could be very bad for them. The FDA is evaluating the reports today. It is recommending a pause at this time but has not yet pulled the emergency authorization. And for what its worth, all the reported blood clots have been in females. I know it's a lot of speculation at this point but on the Today show a doctor mentioned that the connection MAY be birth control. The blood clots have been reported in young women.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 13, 2021 9:47:51 GMT -5
Definitely speculation but they say it may also be linked to the type of vaccine it is. J&J and AZ are the same type and AZ has been linked to blood clots in countries where it is approved.
The emergency authorization could remain in place. 6 blood clots out of 7 million doses administered is not a lot. One big concern for the FDA is that blood clots are not listed as a possible but rare side effect. They are going to want that updated.
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Post by anciana on Apr 13, 2021 11:10:52 GMT -5
I think the problem with J&J is its caused a very specific type of blood clot. The treatment is not the usual heparin that would be given for blood clots. Giving heparin to those patients could be very bad for them. The FDA is evaluating the reports today. It is recommending a pause at this time but has not yet pulled the emergency authorization. And for what its worth, all the reported blood clots have been in females. Yes, from what I was reading it was women 18-48 that were affected so I wish the vaccine was available to the rest of the population.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 13, 2021 11:21:09 GMT -5
I think the problem with J&J is its caused a very specific type of blood clot. The treatment is not the usual heparin that would be given for blood clots. Giving heparin to those patients could be very bad for them. The FDA is evaluating the reports today. It is recommending a pause at this time but has not yet pulled the emergency authorization. And for what its worth, all the reported blood clots have been in females. They said that the pause was mainly to educate doctors in how to identify and treat this particular clot - not because they intend to pull the vaccine. However, I'm sure the Q-turds are flipping the fuck out about it.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Apr 13, 2021 16:37:28 GMT -5
Talking to a colleague today and she said she would not be having the vaccine..... because it causes infertility and she had not yet had children. I did say that it wasn't true and then thought ....... I don't even know why I bother When Governments are banning vaccines for a small risk ...... and terrifying everyone by speaking in language the public don't understand (They only hear blood clots)..... and we have A&Es packed to the rafters with people with headaches, who think they are dying. Also, News outlets absolutely ruining vaccine confidence ... with endless interviews from people who oppose vaccination. What is the point of saying anything?...... This is not something we can win.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 16:50:00 GMT -5
Sadly, when I collected my blind neighbor for our weekly trip to the grocery store, the first thing I heard was "did you hear about J&J?, that's why I'm not being vaccinated, that's why my friend (medical researcher at local mega research facility) told me to wait for years" etc. My neighbor is 80.
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Post by haapai on Apr 13, 2021 17:16:39 GMT -5
Today, one of my coworkers (65+ y/o, probably partially vaccinated) told me that her husband had read somewhere that within six months, those of us who have been jabbed will start dropping unless we start taking Vitamin--- I cut her off.
He cancelled his first shot appointment as a result.
I had to take a break and call my partner soon afterwards. This gal is smart. Her children and step children got educations and married educated people. Somehow, this does not seem to have the expected effect on her husband. He's been stuck at home since November and the time off seems to have only allowed him to spend more time absorbing balderdash. It does not matter that he has out-earned her during most of their marriage. He got lonely and found loonies.
I saw a couple of other things at work that really disturbed me as well. I think that the sane folks are hunkering down and the fools are taking over.
On the plus side, my partner got a nibble from one of the vaccine sites that he's been registered on for a while. Apparently, the supply exceeded demand, so he merited a text.
ETA: Masking compliance is dropping again at my workplace. The state masking mandate remains in effect and Michigan's new case numbers and hospitalizations are staggering, but masking seems to be deteriorating. A certain portion of customers seem to have upped their masking game. That is, I'm seeing more double-masking and KN95s. Unfortunately, I am also seeing a whole lot more customers and coworkers nekkid-faced or nose-exposed indoors.
Don't even get me started about the Karens wearing face shields and no masks.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 13, 2021 19:24:40 GMT -5
I have to re-think the hairdresser I went to last week. She is anti-vax because her daughters told her any of the vaccines will make them infertile. Sister said she tried to reason with her and finally said you are in your 60's. If that is true, it doesn't affect you.
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Post by raeoflyte on Apr 16, 2021 18:05:56 GMT -5
My office and company have been great in allowing wfh, but none of them take it seriously. There have been dozens of calls with people in the office, not masked or distanced. My boss has been traveling for work, and was contacted that she has a confirmed contact with a positive case on Wednesday. She emailed that she wouldnt make it to the office party tonight (indoor restaurant), but a dozen reply alls from people telling her to come, she can't be contagious, no one cares, and she is checking individually on peoples comfort level which I'm sure means she's going. She isn't fully vaccinated and even if no one from our office cares...wtf?!? I wasn't going regardless but I just can't get over it.
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