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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 12, 2021 20:10:13 GMT -5
The story mentioned people with risk factors getting on the schedule first. I don't have the right risk factors, so I'm SOL. My state has no lack of unhealthy people, and I'm considered healthy in comparison. So, they aren't opening it up to all adults, only the ones with risk factors? Technically they are but: "State officials are directing vaccine providers to consider an individual’s risk of exposure due to their employment and their vulnerability to severe disease when scheduling appointments. While eligibility will expand significantly, it’s expected to take several weeks beyond April 5 for everyone who wants a vaccine to get an appointment." "Medical conditions that place individuals at a higher risk for severe illness from coronavirus include cancer, chronic kidney disease COPD. Down syndrome, heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease or cardiomyopathies. It also includes people who are immunocompromised from a solid organ transplant, obesity (BMI of 30kg/m2 or higher but < 40 kg/m2), severe obesity, pregnancy, sickle cell disease, smoking, and Type 2 diabetes mellitus. Other conditions that could increase your risk and thus make you eligible sooner for a vaccine include moderate-to-severe asthma, cerebrovascular disease. cystic fibrosis, hypertension or high blood pressure, dementia, liver disease, pulmonary fibrosis, thalassemia, and Type 1 diabetes mellitus, or if you’ve had a blood or bone marrow transplant or are using corticosteroids or other immune weakening medicine." Sorry I'm being whiny, but I'm almost 50, have type a blood, am overweight but not obese, and have to go into the office to work occasionally. And I've not seen anything about smokers actually being higher risk. I've read they could be lower risk.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 12, 2021 20:29:33 GMT -5
So, they aren't opening it up to all adults, only the ones with risk factors? Technically they are but: "State officials are directing vaccine providers to consider an individual’s risk of exposure due to their employment and their vulnerability to severe disease when scheduling appointments. While eligibility will expand significantly, it’s expected to take several weeks beyond April 5 for everyone who wants a vaccine to get an appointment." "Medical conditions that place individuals at a higher risk for severe illness from coronavirus include cancer, chronic kidney disease COPD. Down syndrome, heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease or cardiomyopathies. It also includes people who are immunocompromised from a solid organ transplant, obesity (BMI of 30kg/m2 or higher but < 40 kg/m2), severe obesity, pregnancy, sickle cell disease, smoking, and Type 2 diabetes mellitus. Other conditions that could increase your risk and thus make you eligible sooner for a vaccine include moderate-to-severe asthma, cerebrovascular disease. cystic fibrosis, hypertension or high blood pressure, dementia, liver disease, pulmonary fibrosis, thalassemia, and Type 1 diabetes mellitus, or if you’ve had a blood or bone marrow transplant or are using corticosteroids or other immune weakening medicine." Sorry I'm being whiny, but I'm almost 50, have type a blood, am overweight but not obese, and have to go into the office to work occasionally. And I've not seen anything about smokers actually being higher risk. I've read they could be lower risk. Smokers are higher risk
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Mar 13, 2021 11:38:39 GMT -5
I'e not read the last few pages. My youngest child is 19yo. She is at college working at one of the dormitory dining halls. While she's epileptic, she's otherwise healthy. She has signed up for a "someone come get the shot right now or we have to throw them away" list. Otherwise, she won't get hers until summer time. Our state is doing decently--though our county is out of control for the first time in all of this.
The governor announces next week loosening regulations for schools. We're hoping for 17sf per human being instead of our current 35sf per human being. Also, since all education employees who wanted to have been vaccinated, we may not have to wear masks, but that's probably too optimistic.
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Post by jeffreymo on Mar 16, 2021 14:14:28 GMT -5
I’m in Ohio and they’re opening vaccines to 40+ Friday and all adults on 3/29. I got lucky and scheduled an appointment over lunch break. Next week I’ll get shot #1 of Pfizer vaccine.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2021 17:31:01 GMT -5
We opened up the Schools last week and tested all the kids ...... just as well because a few of the kids had Covid.
Now all of us have to test twice a week at home from with one of those little kits.
It will only detect a large amount of virus..... but its large amounts which are most infective. (Lets hope the kids actually do it properly)
Vaccines are going well.....(its everyone over 50 at the moment)... but the supply is a bit uneven and we are expecting less vaccines next month. Deaths have drastically reduced which proves that the vaccination program is working
Infection rates are a a bit of a plateau..... I think many people think its over and are going out and about
Some Countries are experiencing a third wave and I really hope it doesn't happen again for us.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 7:17:35 GMT -5
Positivity rate (14-day average of new positives/new tests) for Johnson County, KS was at 30.6% in early January and it's now at 8.1%. Wow. Number of tests down significantly and since they're available for free all over the place I suspect it's because fewer people have symptoms or have been exposed. My second vaccine is a week from Saturday but I'm not really relaxing any of my precautions. Some Countries are experiencing a third wave and I really hope it doesn't happen again for us. Yeah, I saw a video of violent protests in Germany over lockdowns. It doesn't help that there are concerns about the Astra-Zeneca vaccine. I looked it up and they've had 30 cases of coronary thrombosis out of 5 MILLION doses (which might explain why this didn't show up in the trials) but I understand that no one wants to end up with coronary thrombosis.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Mar 18, 2021 7:34:23 GMT -5
I took my 10 year old to get tested last night to return to school and the testing center was a ghost town. It was PACKED the times we were in there back in November. Last night we were the only ones there and the volunteers said it's been like that for weeks. Good I guess, but the county said they're worried cases are higher than it shows because nobody is bothering to test anymore.
On the plus side. Turnaround is fast. Dropped the test in the box at 7pm and the results were texted to me at 5am and there was a couple hours of travel time for that vial in there as they send them away to get done.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 18, 2021 8:03:27 GMT -5
Testing is way down here. However, the new variants have been found all around the case. That is hitting 50-60 year olds. Hospitalizations are starting to rise again. It's thought to be because of the new variants.
My sister has said she is never wearing a mask again. I hope she isn't listening to Faux news but is listening to local medical experts who say to keep wearing the masks in public.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 18, 2021 8:14:42 GMT -5
Cases are way up recently in my state. Over 3000 yesterday, which is a lot. Hoping that getting some priority on a couple vaccine lists will allow me to get a shot sooner vs later.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 18, 2021 8:18:33 GMT -5
One of the biggest reasons testing and cases are down is because nursing home residents and employees who wanted the vaccine have been vaccinated. Also assisted living and independent living attached to assisted living or nursing homes.
Ventilator usage is way down but there have been 3 more deaths this week in my county.
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Post by lurkyloo on Mar 18, 2021 13:04:43 GMT -5
Positivity rate (14-day average of new positives/new tests) for Johnson County, KS was at 30.6% in early January and it's now at 8.1%. Wow. Number of tests down significantly and since they're available for free all over the place I suspect it's because fewer people have symptoms or have been exposed. My second vaccine is a week from Saturday but I'm not really relaxing any of my precautions. Some Countries are experiencing a third wave and I really hope it doesn't happen again for us. Yeah, I saw a video of violent protests in Germany over lockdowns. It doesn't help that there are concerns about the Astra-Zeneca vaccine. I looked it up and they've had 30 cases of coronary thrombosis out of 5 MILLION doses (which might explain why this didn't show up in the trials) but I understand that no one wants to end up with coronary thrombosis. AZ says they’re aware of 15 DVT’s and 22 pulmonary embolisms in 17 million people who’ve had at least one shot, which is much lower than you’d expect for natural/background occurrences. What’s the background rate for CT’s? I mean, I have my druthers and am pretty sure what I’m signed up for is an mRNA vaccine, but if the AZ vaccine was the only one available to me I would seriously consider taking it. The others have reported higher efficacy though so it wouldn’t be my first choice.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 18, 2021 15:41:23 GMT -5
We has vaccinated 11+ million with the AZ vaccine and its efficacy is higher than expected. "The data, released on Feb 2, found a single dose was 76 per cent effective in fending off infection between 22 days and 90 days post-injection, rising to 82.4 per cent after a second dose at that stage. In a major vindication of government policy, the study also found that the vaccine is more effective overall if the second dose is delayed from 28 days until 90 days." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/18/astrazeneca-vaccine-oxford-covid-19-safe-uk-pfizer/Its a pretty good vaccine and one I have had myself. with about 85% for Pfizer. I don't know what some of the European Countries are playing at .... they are scaring people at a time when they should be getting them vaccinated A low uptake in places like France.
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Post by plugginaway22 on Mar 19, 2021 6:26:01 GMT -5
State of PA numbers starting to trend back up a bit, come on vaccines. We had 2 employees out last week with Covid, both infected after their children got it from sports practices resuming.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 7:42:57 GMT -5
Interesting development in my cruise booked for October off Belize and Guatemala: UnCruise, the company, will now require vaccinations of all passengers AND crew members as well as a negative COVID test no more than 4 days before embarkation. These ships are typically around 75 passengers so far easier to track everything. I don't know how they can require the crew to be vaccinated but I'm all for it. They tend to visit out-of-the-way ports (they're the only line allowed to dock in Molokai) and I'm sure it will reassure the locals as well. I've read the Crystal Cruises is requiring that guests be vaccinated but not crew.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 19, 2021 8:17:26 GMT -5
State of PA numbers starting to trend back up a bit, come on vaccines. We had 2 employees out last week with Covid, both infected after their children got it from sports practices resuming. But kids don't get Covid. That's what our governor keeps telling us.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 9:27:07 GMT -5
]But kids don't get Covid. That's what our governor keeps telling us. Tell that to the parents of my one-year old great-nephew who got it (and his mother was always the world's biggest germophobe). Fortunately he seems to have gotten through it OK and the rest of the family didn't get it.
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Post by haapai on Mar 19, 2021 13:59:38 GMT -5
Things are taking a bad turn in Michigan.
Our new case numbers are up about 84% where they were two weeks ago. Our hospitalizations are up too. The rate at which deaths are decreasing has slowed dramatically. I fear that we are going to be the case study of something horrible -- like how to fail to jab people fast enough to keep up with a disease that's not being monitored competently, or how to screw up distribution of vaccine.
You can read something along these lines in this Atlantic piece (if you subscribe, or if the paywall lets you read, or if you have signed up for their CV special access.) I'm not 100% percent behind this article, that is, I think that someone in-state could have done better, but I think that it can give you a glimpse into where you do not want to be. Here are the first few paragraphs of the Atlantic article. I've cut out the captions to pictures and graphs.
The Clearest Sign the Pandemic Could Get Worse
Another coronavirus outbreak is unfolding in Michigan. The COVID Tracking Project March 18, 2021
The number of people hospitalized with a confirmed case of COVID-19 in the United States has been plummeting since early January. Until about three weeks ago, hospitalizations in Michigan were following the same pattern: More people with COVID-19 were leaving the hospital than were being admitted. But in the past few weeks, data from the CDC and the Department of Health and Human Services have shown that hospitalizations have risen by 45 percent from the state’s recent low on February 25. According to federal data, among U.S. metropolitan areas with more than 1 million people, the Detroit area now ranks fourth in hospital admissions—and first in a metric that combines increases in test positivity and cases.
Throughout the fall and winter, we saw a clear pattern—cases would rise, then hospitalizations about a week later, and finally, two weeks after that, deaths would follow. Nursing homes and other long-term-care facilities reported particularly heavy death tolls. If Michigan were to continue that pattern, we would expect hospitalizations to keep rising, and then more deaths.
But as a spring surge takes hold in Michigan, two new factors—variants of concern and rising vaccination levels—mean that we don’t yet know how this new rise in cases and hospitalizations will play out.
The vaccination of people 65 and older and of nursing-home residents should blunt the death toll of a rise in cases. But according to state data, Michigan has administered first doses to 61 percent of its residents aged 65–74, and 62 percent of residents 75 and older. Detroit’s figures are much lower: The city has given first doses to only 43 percent of those aged 65–74 and 39 percent of people 75 and older. For comparison, the CDC reports that 66 percent of the U.S. population aged 65 and up has received at least one dose of vaccine. The numbers are even worse for Black people in Michigan: Statewide, just 28 percent of Black residents 65 and older are known to have received at least one dose of vaccine. Overall, Michigan has administered first doses to only about a quarter of its total population, and that number falls to 15 percent in Detroit.
The reality of vaccinations in nursing homes remains difficult to understand. The CDC reports that about 182,000 people in nursing homes and other long-term-care facilities have been vaccinated in Michigan through the Federal Pharmacy Partnership, but doesn’t separate resident and staff doses at the state level, making it impossible to derive a percentage of facility residents who have been immunized. According to the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, COVID-19 cases and deaths in the state’s long-term-care facilities have declined substantially through February and March, and we can hope that this decline holds even as cases and outbreaks emerge around these facilities.
As Michigan’s numbers go back up, the obvious next question is to what degree variants of concern are playing a role in this localized surge. Genomic surveillance remains limited in the United States, but from the numbers we do have, it seems as though the variant known as B.1.1.7, first identified in the U.K., is quite widespread in Michigan. In fact, according to the CDC’s tracking, the state of Michigan has the second-most confirmed cases of B.1.1.7 after Florida, despite having less than half the number of residents.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 19, 2021 14:28:51 GMT -5
]But kids don't get Covid. That's what our governor keeps telling us. Tell that to the parents of my one-year old great-nephew who got it (and his mother was always the world's biggest germophobe). Fortunately he seems to have gotten through it OK and the rest of the family didn't get it. I know kids get Covid. Since the governor forced the reopening of schools, over 4800 kids have tested positive for Covid. Coincidental? I think not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 14:39:20 GMT -5
Tell that to the parents of my one-year old great-nephew who got it (and his mother was always the world's biggest germophobe). Fortunately he seems to have gotten through it OK and the rest of the family didn't get it. I know kids get Covid. Since the governor forced the reopening of schools, over 4800 kids have tested positive for Covid. Coincidental? I think not. I understand you were being sarcastic. My remark was directed at your governor.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 19, 2021 14:40:12 GMT -5
I was hoping so. My governor has totally not handled covid from day 1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 15:40:23 GMT -5
Interesting development in my cruise booked for October off Belize and Guatemala: UnCruise, the company, will now require vaccinations of all passengers AND crew members as well as a negative COVID test no more than 4 days before embarkation. These ships are typically around 75 passengers so far easier to track everything. I don't know how they can require the crew to be vaccinated but I'm all for it. They tend to visit out-of-the-way ports (they're the only line allowed to dock in Molokai) and I'm sure it will reassure the locals as well. I've read the Crystal Cruises is requiring that guests be vaccinated but not crew. A@athena53, this is OT but Belize is so amazingly beautiful that I know you will enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 15:42:33 GMT -5
State of PA numbers starting to trend back up a bit, come on vaccines. We had 2 employees out last week with Covid, both infected after their children got it from sports practices resuming. But kids don't get Covid. That's what our governor keeps telling us. Yeah, tell that to my dear friend whose daughters got it. They were okay, but the family had to decide who to vote off the island to care for them in a separate part of the house. At Christmas, no less.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 19, 2021 17:49:42 GMT -5
Interesting development in my cruise booked for October off Belize and Guatemala: UnCruise, the company, will now require vaccinations of all passengers AND crew members as well as a negative COVID test no more than 4 days before embarkation. These ships are typically around 75 passengers so far easier to track everything. I don't know how they can require the crew to be vaccinated but I'm all for it. They tend to visit out-of-the-way ports (they're the only line allowed to dock in Molokai) and I'm sure it will reassure the locals as well. I've read the Crystal Cruises is requiring that guests be vaccinated but not crew. A@athena53, this is OT but Belize is so amazingly beautiful that I know you will enjoy it. It is, we went there May 2019. Half our trip was on a dive boat, the second part on Ambergris Cay. I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 20, 2021 16:13:32 GMT -5
My son is deciding on colleges. He had Boise on his list. I was worried because he is kinda ripe to turn Republican, which bothered me a lot during the Trump years. He has started to vear away from Boise towards schools in Seattle and Portland. They seem more like a good place to fan any liberal ideas we have planted in his head. 🤪
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 20, 2021 17:24:24 GMT -5
The Iowa GOP refused to have a mask mandate for the legislature and refuse to wear a mask. The rule they implemented says that legislators don't need to disclose if they have Covid.
The only legislators who have disclosed they have tested positive are Democrats. They assume they got it at the legislature from a GOP member.
They have a rule against wearing blue jeans so a Democratic legislator wore blue jeans when she knew she had to speak to the main guy in the well. He refused to talk to her and ejected her from the chamber. She had recovered from Covid. He refused to wear a mask even when asked by Democratic legislators.
Pat Grassley says he doesn't have the authority to issue a mask mandate. If he can make a rule that no blue jeans are allowed, he can make a rule that masks must be worn.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 7:53:21 GMT -5
I'm right across the border from KS and they've just struck down the Governor's mask mandate and made it easier for local businesses to try to overturn local mask requirements, e.g. in a county. The numbers are way down- that's the good news. I watch the stats for Johnson County, a middle- and upper-class KC suburban area, and the 14-day average rate of positive results as a % of first-time tests has gone from a high of 30% in early January to 9.1% now. Tests are available all over the place but they're doing less than half the number they were doing in January, which tells me fewer people need to get tested.
This worries me for two reasons. First, I agree those numbers are down but right now less than half of the population in KS and MO have had at least one shot. It's great progress but we have a long way to go.
I'm also worried that masks will even more of a way to divide us since those who don't want to wear one don't have to anymore. I will be wearing mine indoors in public other than with close family, even though I got my second shot a week ago. I'm sure the non-masked will consider me gullible, fearful, etc. It will be hard for me not to think of the unmasked as supportive of everything Trump stands for, anti-science and recklessly disregarding the safety of their fellow humans. Both sides are making assumptions and exaggerations.
I can't wait till this is over but we're not there yet.
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Post by haapai on Apr 2, 2021 12:50:23 GMT -5
One of the biggest reasons testing and cases are down is because nursing home residents and employees who wanted the vaccine have been vaccinated. Also assisted living and independent living attached to assisted living or nursing homes. Yes, this. Once we vaccinate the folks subject to mandatory testing, or those around them, the positives that they contribute will plummet. Once vaccinated, or partially vaccinated, or increasingly surrounded by vaccinated folks, these folks lose their value as sentinels and testing them regularly gives a false sense of security when positivity rates are considered. Once these groups get vaccinated, or affected by the vaccinations around the, their test results stop giving us concentrated information regarding what is being transmitted and start giving us false reassurances.
We need another group of largely un-vaccinated sentinels to monitor. I nominate high school athletes, lunch ladies, and bus drivers.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 2, 2021 13:11:28 GMT -5
We need another group of largely un-vaccinated sentinels to monitor. I nominate high school athletes, lunch ladies, and bus drivers.
Here the lunch ladies and bus drivers could get vaccinated when the teachers did.
It's been a game on testing with high school athletes. They get shut down if they have positives on the team or coaching staff, so they don't test. What you don't know does hurt anything, right?
For both football and boys' basketball, some teams did get knocked out of the playoffs because there were so many players and coaches, it couldn't be kept hidden.
Hospitalizations are up here every day for the last two weeks, positivity % is up (on fewer tests). Deaths are down and the age group now with the positives are the 20-40 age group and they mostly have the variants.
It's really nice to see the elderly group not testing positive.
Too many school kids are testing positive and the schools are manipulating that data, too, so they don't have to close or go online.
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Post by haapai on Apr 2, 2021 13:26:33 GMT -5
We need another group of largely un-vaccinated sentinels to monitor. I nominate high school athletes, lunch ladies, and bus drivers.Here the lunch ladies and bus drivers could get vaccinated when the teachers did. It's been a game on testing with high school athletes. They get shut down if they have positives on the team or coaching staff, so they don't test. What you don't know does hurt anything, right? For both football and boys' basketball, some teams did get knocked out of the playoffs because there were so many players and coaches, it couldn't be kept hidden. Hospitalizations are up here every day for the last two weeks, positivity % is up (on fewer tests). Deaths are down and the age group now with the positives are the 20-40 age group and they mostly have the variants. It's really nice to see the elderly group not testing positive. Too many school kids are testing positive and the schools are manipulating that data, too, so they don't have to close or go online. Make testing mandatory for them all! I'm convinced that in-person schooling and youth sports are a big part of my state's explosive case numbers.
And they whine less, cost less, and have fewer firearms than the operators of "restaurants" that everyone calls bars. Mochigan's bars should have been closed down two or three weeks ago.
I'm in a bad mood! I work in supermarket and huge cuts of meat and huge bags of salad have been selling well this week. That means that a whole lot of children and grandchildren will be killing their parents and grandparents this weekend.
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