TheHaitian
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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 20, 2020 13:50:51 GMT -5
So it seems we have decided to test how bad poor people need a paycheck and how many of them would be willing to sacrifice their lives for one?
Because let’s be honest, besides your Dr’s/nurses etc... all the other people that need to keep showing up for their jobs happen to be in manual jobs or service jobs that are mostly occupied by black and brown folks. Add that to another reason why COVID is killing disproportionate amount of blacks on top of all the others.
But my company is finding out quite of few still value their lives and are saying “fuck” the paycheck. I will be broke but I will be alive and broke! So this week I started noticing that are trucks were coming later and later or half of what we ordered.
Per conference call today we were told stop bitching and be thankful. Because it will get worse they think and they may have to cut back on the amount of trucks we get, if you used to get 5 trucks now you may only get 3 or 4 if you are lucky. Or trucks will be later...
Because it is not just having 5-10 cases of COVID positives associates that is the problem, it is the other 100-150 associates in the warehouse that are saying “fuck” this and no longer wanting to work at that warehouse once they found out.
I could have told them, we had 1 case of COVID at our store and lost 12 employees (2 quit and the others filed for leave of absence) the day HR made it known.
Not all service industry folks agree they are dispensable and should be sacrificed in the name of keeping the economy going.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Apr 20, 2020 14:11:47 GMT -5
Maybe some of the people who are tired of staying home and are out protesting will apply for these essential jobs.
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Post by haapai on Apr 20, 2020 14:15:00 GMT -5
I'm surprised that HR made it known. One of the things that I fear is getting ambiguous symptoms, being told to go home and stay home, and never getting tested because my symptoms are not severe enough. In a case like that, my leave is unpaid and I do not expect HR to be any use at all in getting my coworkers into isolation and stopping the chain of transmission. I don't think that they'll feel any obligation at all to do anything if I do not have a positive test.
We need more testing.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 20, 2020 14:22:35 GMT -5
Yes, your haircut trumps human lives. Idiot.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2020 14:29:56 GMT -5
Yes, your haircut trumps human lives. Idiot. Not that hard:
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Post by mary2029 on Apr 20, 2020 14:30:07 GMT -5
Not quite true. I work at a manufacturing facility that makes government parts including some of the PPE so desperately needed right now. I show up for work every day. I am as white as can be. I do not consider that by continuing to work I am risking my life. Granted, I am not in a hard-hit area. I also know to keep myself at least 6 feet away from other people as do the other workers.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2020 14:31:54 GMT -5
Not quite true. I work at a manufacturing facility that makes government parts including some of the PPE so desperately needed right now. I show up for work every day. I am as white as can be. I do not consider that by continuing to work I am risking my life. Granted, I am not in a hard-hit area. I also know to keep myself at least 6 feet away from other people as do the other workers. My wife and most of her co-workers at Safeway are white.
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Post by kadee79 on Apr 20, 2020 14:39:02 GMT -5
Every retail job I held in the 30+ years I was in retail...the workers were a mix....white, black & brown. Don't think I ever worked at any job that was all one color!...even back in the 60's, there were still a few who weren't white.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 14:39:36 GMT -5
Not quite true. I work at a manufacturing facility that makes government parts including some of the PPE so desperately needed right now. I show up for work every day. I am as white as can be. I do not consider that by continuing to work I am risking my life. Granted, I am not in a hard-hit area. I also know to keep myself at least 6 feet away from other people as do the other workers. Yeah, there is tons of essential manufacturing around here and it's about 95% white in my county. More than that at my place of employment with about 1200 employees.
Seriously, about the only thing shut down around here are the hair salons, the clothing stores, and the movie theaters. My 17 year old is working his essential warehouse job 3 nights a week.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 20, 2020 14:43:11 GMT -5
Not quite true. I work at a manufacturing facility that makes government parts including some of the PPE so desperately needed right now. I show up for work every day. I am as white as can be. I do not consider that by continuing to work I am risking my life. Granted, I am not in a hard-hit area. I also know to keep myself at least 6 feet away from other people as do the other workers. Same here. Our company location is lily white. Since we're a part of the animal health industry all but the 20 office people who can work from home are here. I get the frustration and nervousness but I would not quit over it. Eventually this will/has to end and I will still need a job when that happens. In Nebraska they have made it crystal clear if you quit you do not get unemployment. I have a family that needs a roof over it's head and food to eat. I take precautions and since I wear extensive PPE every day I am probably at a lot less risk here than I am anywhere else. That being said I would not be surprised if they lose people once this is over to other employment. We've had at least two people announce they are retiring once this is over. I know if I am ever unemployed again a goal of mine is to find a "non-essential" job.
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Post by teen persuasion on Apr 20, 2020 15:06:36 GMT -5
So it seems we have decided to test how bad poor people need a paycheck and how many of them would be willing to sacrifice their lives for one? Because let’s be honest, besides your Dr’s/nurses etc... all the other people that need to keep showing up for their jobs happen to be in manual jobs or service jobs that are mostly occupied by black and brown folks. Add that to another reason why COVID is killing disproportionate amount of blacks on top of all the others. But my company is finding out quite of few still value their lives and are saying “fuck” the paycheck. I will be broke but I will be alive and broke! So this week I started noticing that are trucks were coming later and later or half of what we ordered. Per conference call today we were told stop bitching and be thankful. Because it will get worse they think and they may have to cut back on the amount of trucks we get, if you used to get 5 trucks now you may only get 3 or 4 if you are lucky. Or trucks will be later... Because it is not just having 5-10 cases of COVID positives associates that is the problem, it is the other 100-150 associates in the warehouse that are saying “fuck” this and no longer wanting to work at that warehouse once they found out. I could have told them, we had 1 case of COVID at our store and lost 12 employees (2 quit and the others filed for leave of absence) the day HR made it known. Not all service industry folks agree they are dispensable and should be sacrificed in the name of keeping the economy going. I wish the idiots trying to Gridlock Buffalo today could hear this message. I was just looking online for coverage of the "event" today, and reading the comments was horrifying. They think the governor is keeping us home for no good reason - if this disease were really deadly, then those grocery store workers would be dropping like flies, right? Or, we gotta get out there and all get the disease to build up a herd immunity, to kill the virus (to keep our fragile community members safe).
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Post by haapai on Apr 20, 2020 15:22:57 GMT -5
I don't know if it will cheer you up or chill you but I've definitely been thinking along the same lines recently. It would definitely mean that the store was quite crowded with folks picking groceries for other people to pick up or for delivery, but the proxy shoppers would be the same folks instead of different people all day and all week long.
It would also make groceries much more expensive.
I haven't worked for over a week but towards the end of it, I was getting disturbed by being thanked. I don't think the customers realize that we are not heroes. We are compelled by circumstance to be vectors of disease.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 20, 2020 15:29:52 GMT -5
There is also the same problem as I mentioned on the higher education thread. ..A LOT of people do not have access to the internet. How are those people supposed to get groceries? It could cause even wider food shortages than there already are with schools being closed.
I really do feel for grocery store workers but I am not sure what the answer is, unfortunately human beings need food for survival. Sure some people could forage I suppose but what do you do if you live in inner city Chicago or LA and can't afford internet?
If that is what they want to happen then there needs to be a massive push to turn the internet into a public utility, that way everyone has equal access.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 20, 2020 15:42:05 GMT -5
I work for a city government utility provider, and they are exploring the idea of providing internet to all their citizens, funded through property taxes. They currently supply broadband to some commercial customers.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 20, 2020 15:45:39 GMT -5
Yes, your haircut trumps human lives. Idiot. Save your money. Even if you get a haircut, you will still be ugly and selfish.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 20, 2020 15:50:04 GMT -5
I work for a city government utility provider, and they are exploring the idea of providing internet to all their citizens, f unded through property taxes. They currently supply broadband to some commercial customers. That still wouldn't help rural folks in my state. They complain taxes are too high as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 15:54:09 GMT -5
I work for a city government utility provider, and they are exploring the idea of providing internet to all their citizens, funded through property taxes. They currently supply broadband to some commercial customers. That works great if you're in the city, but there are huge areas not on city utilities. They're not going to be running broadband lines out here anytime soon and I'm only 10 miles from the city limits. I'm lucky because there is wireless broadband being shot out from town that reaches my house, but for a lot of people satellite is the only option and you still need a clear view of the southern sky if I remember correctly...but it's been a long time since we had satellite, that may have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 15:56:31 GMT -5
I work for a city government utility provider, and they are exploring the idea of providing internet to all their citizens, f unded through property taxes. They currently supply broadband to some commercial customers. That still wouldn't help rural folks in my state. They complain taxes are too high as it is.
They are!! Cross the river and property taxes double. All so you don't have to have gravel roads.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 20, 2020 15:59:33 GMT -5
I work for a city government utility provider, and they are exploring the idea of providing internet to all their citizens, f unded through property taxes. They currently supply broadband to some commercial customers. That still wouldn't help rural folks in my state. They complain taxes are too high as it is.
I don't want to announce where I work, but this area is known for people who are, um, 'frugal'. I never thought the idea would fly with them, until now. Now, it just might. I don't live in this city, so it doesn't really matter to me too much either way. I'd be all over it if I could get it. My only options are over-priced DSL and Comcast (which I hate).
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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 20, 2020 16:00:51 GMT -5
I don't know if it will cheer you up or chill you but I've definitely been thinking along the same lines recently. It would definitely mean that the store was quite crowded with folks picking groceries for other people to pick up or for delivery, but the proxy shoppers would be the same folks instead of different people all day and all week long.
It would also make groceries much more expensive.
I haven't worked for over a week but towards the end of it, I was getting disturbed by being thanked. I don't think the customers realize that we are not heroes. We are compelled by circumstance to be vectors of disease. My wife would sure hope so... Her boss has mentioned for the second week how MedStar is seeing a growing number of grocery store workers getting Covid in the DMV area. And don’t start with the Hero thing, we actually find it patronizing. We did not choose to be heroes, we were forced into this situation because many of us can not afford to go without a paycheck and to get one we need to be at work. We are the sacrificial lamb.
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Post by laterbloomer on Apr 20, 2020 16:09:06 GMT -5
I don't know if it will cheer you up or chill you but I've definitely been thinking along the same lines recently. It would definitely mean that the store was quite crowded with folks picking groceries for other people to pick up or for delivery, but the proxy shoppers would be the same folks instead of different people all day and all week long.
It would also make groceries much more expensive.
I haven't worked for over a week but towards the end of it, I was getting disturbed by being thanked. I don't think the customers realize that we are not heroes. We are compelled by circumstance to be vectors of disease. My wife would sure hope so... Her boss has mentioned for the second week how MedStar is seeing a growing number of grocery store workers getting Covid in the DMV area. And don’t start with the Hero thing, we actually find it patronizing. We did not choose to be heroes, we were forced into this situation because many of us can not afford to go without a paycheck and to get one we need to be at work. We are the sacrificial lamb. I'm considered essential as well but I don't have to interact with the public and most of my coworkers are working from home. I actually appreciate the legit reason to leave the house.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 20, 2020 16:17:31 GMT -5
What is WRONG with people? One video of the protest showed a woman in a USA shirt leaning out of the passenger window of a pickup truck and shouting at the health workers. She was holding a sign that said, "Land of the Free". "Land of the free. Go to China if you want communism," she said to the person standing in front of her. www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/us/coronavirus-colorado-health-care-trnd/index.html
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 16:20:59 GMT -5
TheHaitian , I think of you guys (grocery workers) as neither heroes nor sacrifices. You are doing your jobs just like a lot of other essential people are doing their jobs. My daughter works as a Walmart pharmacist. She is resigned to the fact that she will probably get the virus. It is what it is. And remember that a lot of the people she deals with are sick. By the way, my daughter is Caucasian, but you know that. Do you want everything closed down? How exactly would that work? Would you make the police officers work to stop the looting, or just let that go, too? And you aren't poor. You are the manager and get paid well to do your job. This isn't a racial issue in the sense you imply. The real sufferers are the domestic workers, many of whom are undocumented and can't qualify for unemployment or a stimulus check. They are struggling to have enough to eat, make rent, and so on. I appreciate the difficulty of what you have to do right now, but I don't feel sorry for you.
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Post by haapai on Apr 20, 2020 16:38:02 GMT -5
I don't know if it will cheer you up or chill you but I've definitely been thinking along the same lines recently. It would definitely mean that the store was quite crowded with folks picking groceries for other people to pick up or for delivery, but the proxy shoppers would be the same folks instead of different people all day and all week long.
It would also make groceries much more expensive.
I haven't worked for over a week but towards the end of it, I was getting disturbed by being thanked. I don't think the customers realize that we are not heroes. We are compelled by circumstance to be vectors of disease. My wife would sure hope so... Her boss has mentioned for the second week how MedStar is seeing a growing number of grocery store workers getting Covid in the DMV area. And don’t start with the Hero thing, we actually find it patronizing. We did not choose to be heroes, we were forced into this situation because many of us can not afford to go without a paycheck and to get one we need to be at work. We are the sacrificial lamb. Your wife's boss is probably a more reliable source of information than your employer. I don't want to elaborate too much on that point. I don't want to go into details about how disappointed I am with my employer or tempt you to say something rash and identifying about yours.
On the other hand, I've really got to wonder how the heck your wife's boss knows that grocery workers in the DELMARVA area (did I guess that acronym right?) are testing positive. I have to wonder a bit whether that information is coded into anything that s/he sees or simply made up.
It's rather terrifying to me that anyone can see anything, given the delays and impediments to testing that I'm aware of. If folks who identify as grocery workers are testing positive, they must be getting infected at crazy numbers for their positive results to be showing up on anyone's radar two weeks ago.
But that's possible. Lord knows that no body else is looking out after us.
On the other hand, is there any chance that your wife's boss is saying this because he or she is afraid of being around your wife or just more comfortable not having her around? I haven't worked in ten days, but when I left, things were getting weird and people who should have understood their own vulnerability seemed to be putting a whole lot of effort into getting people that they perceived as threats to themselves (or maybe just folks that they had never liked, or who they were in competition with) perceived as dangerous people to be working next to.
P.S. I'm white. You may already have been tracking that, but I'll mention it just so you don't have to review any threads or feel more lost. You deserve to know where this stream-of-fear is coming from. So I'm doing that.
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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 20, 2020 17:18:48 GMT -5
My wife would sure hope so... Her boss has mentioned for the second week how MedStar is seeing a growing number of grocery store workers getting Covid in the DMV area. And don’t start with the Hero thing, we actually find it patronizing. We did not choose to be heroes, we were forced into this situation because many of us can not afford to go without a paycheck and to get one we need to be at work. We are the sacrificial lamb. Your wife's boss is probably a more reliable source of information than your employer. I don't want to elaborate too much on that point. I don't want to go into details about how disappointed I am with my employer or tempt you to say something rash and identifying about yours.
On the other hand, I've really got to wonder how the heck your wife's boss knows that grocery workers in the DELMARVA area (did I guess that acronym right?) are testing positive. I have to wonder a bit whether that information is coded into anything that s/he sees or simply made up.
It's rather terrifying to me that anyone can see anything, given the delays and impediments to testing that I'm aware of. If folks who identify as grocery workers are testing positive, they must be getting infected at crazy numbers for their positive results to be showing up on anyone's radar two weeks ago.
But that's possible. Lord knows that no body else is looking out after us.
On the other hand, is there any chance that your wife's boss is saying this because he or she is afraid of being around your wife or just more comfortable not having her around? I haven't worked in ten days, but when I left, things were getting weird and people who should have understood their own vulnerability seemed to be putting a whole lot of effort into getting people that they perceived as threats to themselves (or maybe just folks that they had never liked, or who they were in competition with) perceived as dangerous people to be working next to.
P.S. I'm white. You may already have been tracking that, but I'll mention it just so you don't have to review any threads or feel more lost. You deserve to know where this stream-of-fear is coming from. So I'm doing that.
Not to get too into detail of my wife job; she works for the medical school and Medstar as a researcher and her research mostly focus on low income families in the DMV area having access to family medicine doctors and how early interventions can prevent a lot of other issues later on. In partnership with Medstar (so Medstar is also her employer somewhat) and she goes into two of their clinics in the area and conduct research with the residents / interns. Her boss the dean/MD of the family medicine program also works with the medical school to get more students interested in joining family medicine as a career (shortage there mostly because of income). Ex: my cousin that also works for Medstar out of Baltimore (2 different locations) and was hired by my wife boss and my wife helped (cool story for another time) will make about 100k-150k/year. If he opens up his own practice maybe 200k. While his wife an anesthesiologist can max at 350k-400k/year . Also as my cousin explain to me: once she leaves work she gets to leave work behind, there is no bringing work home. My cousin as part of faculty (works for the med school) and dr on staff still have lectures after to worry about, charting etc. So it is discouraging to a lot of oncoming dr’s to see that big gap in salary. Anyway back to the subject on hand: yes she is probably telling my wife as a warning to me since she knows I work in grocery retail and also because it has been showing up (I have actually seen articles about it, we talked about it at work because some folks are keeping track - how many people from different stores, different grocery stores etc). So it could be both: - yes they do ask people where they work because they have to inform the job (I know because of our covid case) and sent paperwork there. - it may have been more pronounced on her radar because she is aware that one of her employees have a husband that also runs a grocery store. But my wife has been working from home since 03/16 and set to continue till July/August she was told so it is not like she is concerned about my wife directly infecting her ... more so : this is a pattern we have been witnessing, and I know your husband is in that group that is being affected : WATCH OUT!
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Post by haapai on Apr 20, 2020 17:47:58 GMT -5
I will definitely be watching out.
Thank you for providing inside input and please do not ever post anything that will endanger you or your family. Also, please feel free to delete anything that you want without explanation.
I don't trust anyone at work to tell me anything that I need to know through official channels and I have no back channels. I used to have back channels. It was once possible for one of my coworkers to stand very close to me and speak in a quiet voice about what they thought mattered, but that doesn't work when you aren't supposed to be standing next to anyone else or not supposed to be at work, or even out of the house.
I really wish that I had exchanged phone numbers with many of my coworkers before it became impossible for me to contact them.
I would suggest collecting phone numbers as a survival tactic now.
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Post by CCL on Apr 20, 2020 17:51:49 GMT -5
I know others who have been exposed to the virus via their employment. They still have to go to work every day. I know of a few who complained about working conditions. They were quickly fired.
You aren't the only ones who would rather not be working and getting exposed. Lots of workers at various income levels are having similar issues.
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Post by justme on Apr 20, 2020 17:57:41 GMT -5
I work for a city government utility provider, and they are exploring the idea of providing internet to all their citizens, funded through property taxes. They currently supply broadband to some commercial customers. That works great if you're in the city, but there are huge areas not on city utilities. They're not going to be running broadband lines out here anytime soon and I'm only 10 miles from the city limits. I'm lucky because there is wireless broadband being shot out from town that reaches my house, but for a lot of people satellite is the only option and you still need a clear view of the southern sky if I remember correctly...but it's been a long time since we had satellite, that may have changed. The federal government would have to do what they did years ago with phone lines to get the companies to run them out to rural areas. I'm blanking on the exact mechanism used, but running cable out there isn't that much dissimilar to phone lines.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 20, 2020 18:13:27 GMT -5
That works great if you're in the city, but there are huge areas not on city utilities. They're not going to be running broadband lines out here anytime soon and I'm only 10 miles from the city limits. I'm lucky because there is wireless broadband being shot out from town that reaches my house, but for a lot of people satellite is the only option and you still need a clear view of the southern sky if I remember correctly...but it's been a long time since we had satellite, that may have changed. The federal government would have to do what they did years ago with phone lines to get the companies to run them out to rural areas. I'm blanking on the exact mechanism used, but running cable out there isn't that much dissimilar to phone lines. Someone mentioned somewhere that my state actually ran the cable lines, then basically gave them away to the cable companies. I don't know if that is true, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 20, 2020 19:26:07 GMT -5
I don't know if it will cheer you up or chill you but I've definitely been thinking along the same lines recently. It would definitely mean that the store was quite crowded with folks picking groceries for other people to pick up or for delivery, but the proxy shoppers would be the same folks instead of different people all day and all week long.
It would also make groceries much more expensive.
I haven't worked for over a week but towards the end of it, I was getting disturbed by being thanked. I don't think the customers realize that we are not heroes. We are compelled by circumstance to be vectors of disease. My wife would sure hope so... Her boss has mentioned for the second week how MedStar is seeing a growing number of grocery store workers getting Covid in the DMV area. And don’t start with the Hero thing, we actually find it patronizing. We did not choose to be heroes, we were forced into this situation because many of us can not afford to go without a paycheck and to get one we need to be at work. We are the sacrificial lamb. My fiancé owns bread route. He and his guys deliver to local grocery stores, Walmart, target, various restaurants (obviously way down), etc. and that doesn’t mean dropping stock off in the receiving area. They are out there filling the shelves. He can afford to go without a pay heck but he can’t afford to let his business go under. Oh, fiancé and his guys are white. My local grocery store workers are almost all white. Minorities aren’t the only ones out there putting their lives at risk for the sake of a paycheck I’m also in an essential business but I only go in the office 3 days a week. And I don’t deal with the public. A hell of a lot safer than my fiancé. Then again, he is at risk which puts me and the kids at risk.
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